My little piece of peace

[hoytedow]

You need a challenge... Something to occupy your mind beyond the banal... A project where your skills can be applied and deliver a 'social benefit', thereby earning the respect and appreciation of some in the 'Lesser Developed Country' demographic... Like what I am doing - but for me, is tropical/remote farming expertise and knowing what will make a very much appreciated local project, (extract coconut oil for export or local use and keep the by-products for local benefit), instead of making copra for export to Europe where the by-products are not really wanted...

I am looking to co-ordinate rural farmers in delivery of coconuts to be de-husked, remove the meat, to convert the coconut-husk and woody-material into 'biochar', coconut shells into 'activated-charcoal', package & sell cold-pressed-coconut-oil to the health food/pharmaceutical market, sell coconut oil fuel locally, trade biochar/compost mix as fertiliser, export activated charcoal, trade copra-meal as a pig and poultry feed-stock-base, trade in egg-production, trade in day-old chicks, trade in poultry meat on local markets, manage a core enterprise coconut plantation...

An opportunity exists for someone who can deliver, install, manage and operate the expellers and associated machinery... Not with me... To do your own thing as there is a broad need for similar operations...Be careful. Some might accuse you of being a capitalist oppressor colonialist for wanting to buy what other people want to sell, and then wanting to sell the finished product to another set of people who want to buy. How dare you try to force people to be prosperous! :)

[Frosty]

I have drank my fil. I am prepairing mentally to get up early in the morning and drive through Bangkok and down the number 3 to Malaysia. It will take me 12 hours in one hit and I will be at white rose hotel tomorrow night at approx 7pm, just in time for a beer and collapse into bed.

Next day get the ferry to Langkawi geopark duty free island ( with Mc donalds) where I keep the boat and my Royal enfield that I enjoy.

Its a long way -sometimes its hard sometimes its not,---whom am I lying to,- yes its a long drive 1400km

Its another life sooo different and Im looking forward to it.

Ille be off to bed in a minute and the next thing I now Ille be on the high way through Rama 11 road in Bangok to Samutprakarn, i'me not expecting flooding but I know there is some. The motorway starts about 3 Km from the house which is good to get off the roads that drunks use at 4am.

See yer.

[masalai]

Oh well, Dream-time is over.... The Matron says it is bed time and I must do as I am told ............................

[masalai]

Trying to think outside the box, and resolve some concerns about running 24/5 in crossing from Cairns to Samarai... The key is supply of 24VDC to run the navigation stuff as well as galley and refrigeration when solar PV panels do not work (at night)... so one option was a small 24VDC charger running on a Honda petrol engine http://www.christieengineering.com.au/Itemdetail.asp?PC=GX16024V45A#

Then I fluked a link whilst chasing something else, - - http://www.yandina.com/c150Info.htm and the Troll24BatA.gif attached which lead to some Australian suppliers and options all over the place... I wanted to take power from either 12V engine start battery and charge my 24V house-bank some '50ft plus circuit', distant from the engine start batteries... Still working on options... Sometimes (well mostly) I run using one engine, halving fuel consumption for a loss in speed from 7 knots to around 5.5 ~ 6 knots... So far, the cheapest option seems to be an inverter (12VDC to 240VAC) and a switch-mode-managed-battery-charger... (attached Jaycar-MB3608-Manual.pdf ) Then, running through the night, I will have adequate 24V power for everything including autopilot and inverter for the galley...

[Frosty]

Great , fine , not a problem exept that 24 volt rarely comes up cheap in chandlery shops or even available for boats your size.

[masalai]

Not going to Chandlery, going to electronics/hobbyist shop as technology knowledge is necessary... The schematic A is NOT the configuration I will use...

I will do a schematic and post later...

[Frosty]

Dont over complicate KISS,-- one day youlle need to fix it, and I strongly suggest you make hand drawaing of wiring circuits for later use.

[masalai]

Yes I am still thinking and researching ALL options - not truly satisfied yet... I have 2 independent 12V batteries as start batteries for the motors... 10m further forward (wiring distance), I have 2 banks of 24V batteries... I was thinking of ways & neans to charge the 24V battery banks when there is NO sun but I am moving under power (an overnight passage)... Longest non stop is about 4 days at 6 knots... I need assured power for the autopilot systems, (gps-plotter & radar, hydraulic-pump, fluxgate-compass & pilot-controller) which is all 24V...

The cheapest so far is 2 x 1000W mains inverters, - to get the power near the batteries without too much line loss, and a pair of mains battery chargers - no switching as when either engine is started it charges the "house batteries" - or - one bank of the house batteries... Less than 2/3 of the honda 24V battery charger... That 20M electrical circuit is the "killer" - from one end of the boat to the other and back - - almost...

[Frosty]

For a long journey like that I would take a 240 small 1 kw hand start gen. Iknow but it will be handy when you build your beach house and or anything you want. They are a god send on a boat --sell it to a farmer when your finished.

Cup of tea microvave, I would not have a boat without one.

[masalai]

I got 4000W 240VAC inverter now... getting power from my 24VDC battery banks....

[Frosty]

Yeah but--an invertor need batteries so if you have no sun and your out cruising a back uop gen is the answer. They are so small and quite its nothing to keep.

[masalai]

Using the generating facility on each main engine... 90A at 12V each... When I am stopped I need very little to supply freezer and anchor light... 7 days without the sun, anchored at South Percy was no problem even electrical cooking and perpetual tea/coffee/soup making and microwave re-heating, toilet and water pumping, lighting and radar-watch,,, batteries always better than 90% charged... I could possibly run through the night but power to the chart-plotter-radar and autopilot is desirable aid to night vision where the waters are strewn with lots and lots of rocky-traps for the unwary...

[Frosty]

Can you start your engines by hand. what if you took a wave an flooded the batteries, what if,-- what if. A gen is about 60 quid

[troy2000]

For a long journey like that I would take a 240 small 1 kw hand start gen. Iknow but it will be handy when you build your beach house and or anything you want. They are a god send on a boat --sell it to a farmer when your finished.

Cup of tea microvave, I would not have a boat without one.

Good advice, Frosty. Seriously.

Right up there with 'take a piece of rope.' No matter where I go or what I'm doing, I always have some handy -- along with a roll of toilet paper.:D

[Frosty]

Why do you need toilet paper when you got rope?

[masalai]

Can't handle the scratch from the rope? - - - - I have a piece of rope - a whole roll, and a similar quantity in shorter pieces (50M x 4 with a 4000kg breaking strain) just coiled up ready for when I need it Plus all the other lengths set up for other specified/predetermined uses/functions, plus 4 anchors complete with 10m chain & 50M warps attached... All kept neat and tidy, ready for use...

Toilet paper? - what is wrong with washing ones backside? and not adding globs of paper-mashe into the oceans...

Start my engines? I have four methods of starting my engines - you say I need more? - How many ways can you start your engines?

I have had breaking waves of about 5 metres from the stern, rode them nicely, no broaching tendency, for a while achieving some 19 knots - NO water... bigger waves just not yet...

On CNO, I can carry 13 panels 800mm x 1600mm for 2275W, (has 8 panels = 1400W), nominal output for quiet living when at anchor in the tropics... My Nanni321SD engines burn about 3 litres/hour at 3000rpm and deliver around 10hp/11Kw at that speed (6 knots on one engine)... I feel more comfortable/secure with fixed blade propellers for long range efficiency and confined quarters manoeuvring...

[Frosty]

Actually I strongly advize against toilet paper. In hot climes you will get an itchy arse that can develop into infections that are not funny. In the East toilet paper is never used , all it does it rubs it around and spread it thinly till you can see it.

One of the reasons Muslims eat with there right hand only, and think the westerners are disgusting and of low hygeneic standards, all toilets have was fascilities even if it is a hose pipe.

I always wash,--always,-- there is no need to abandon personal hygene just becaue you are on your own infact you will get rashes from hell.

Living in a hot coutry needs a little pre programming or you will get trouble.

[masalai]

Hi Frosty,
To whom are you preaching?

Having been in the Tropics since 1964, - (Malaysia) and also in Phillipines briefly, - PNG most of my working life, - Solomon Islands, Vanuatu and Australia's top half... - - I am well aware that water is for washing the body, alcoholic beverages are 'sterile', and suitable for drinking - toilet paper is a hand drying towel if anything, or, to pretend that it has more intrinsic value than most paper/cloth currencies...

Muslims are NOT the only ones who eat using only their right hand... When I am alone I prefer salt water, (as it is a better 'antiseptic'), to wash my ass etc, then use a suitable soap and fresh water to wash my hands...

[masalai]

95508

Here is an interesting 7.5KW electric sail-drive option, anyone got an idea on the price in US$ ? - - apart from comments that it is too expensive... The attached brochure.catelogue has other interesting hybrid systems/components -

[Frosty]

Its a toy far too small and the G box is tiny, you could make that. That looks like its been made by a company that makes sweet wrapping machines and wants another project.

There is only one way to drive a boat that goes to sea.

[masalai]

The thought was for Catbuilder.... belatedly but I happened upon it the other day... 4 may suffice, but at 140kg each? - - that is a lot of weight - - Plus batteries - - Plus 2 x gensets :o :o :o - I feel a pair of diesel engines and a separate genset for the galley would be a better option... It all depends on personal needs and desires etc...

[Boston]

Ten ponies isn't bad tho

[masalai]

For the electric (7.5KW) or diesel (10hp@2200 or 14hp@3000), agreed, - but weight of the electric/hybrid is near triple ... Diesel saildrive is 2 x 144kg - - - but electric saildrive at 2 x 140kg needs batteries=40kg+40kg (a guess@the weight for 2 banks of 200Ah@48VDC), 1 x genset=200kg, charger/inverter & controller=60kg

Hybrid-package=620kg - - vs - - Diesel-PV-package=643kg

Except when the TOTAL SYSTEM in my boat is considered, then PV-panels=120kg, inverter-battery-charge-regulator=50kg and (I do not have the LiFePO4 packages..) but still AGM-batteries-250AH-at-24VDC=185kg - - - My option is 23kg heavier but lots cheaper AGM/LiFePO4 battery pricing being the difference 24~18 months ago...

[masalai]

96294

A brief storm, hail (about 1/3 inch in diameter mostly) and rain and almost no useful visibility... PERIOD - did not try radar as storm passed within minutes...
- The storm about nothing to see = 4556
- A nice repair/rebuild in the yard = 4560
- Ready to go/sale? = 4562
- Ready to go/sale? = 4563

[Frosty]

Whats them on that blue cat, nipples or bulbous bows ha ha ha.

Oh fer fcks sake ---laugh---Oh My goddy.

[masalai]

Ahem, dunno - I took the pic and was asked if I wanted to buy - "Nup..." and turned around and the person had gone............ :D - I guess they used gas bottles or the wrong end for the mould? :D both those cats look like they are being tidied up for sale?

[Doug Lord]

Ahem, dunno - I took the pic and was asked if I wanted to buy - "Nup..." and turned around and the person had gone............ :D - I guess they used gas bottles or the wrong end for the mould? :D both those cats look like they are being tidied up for sale?
==============
Can't believe the clearance on the cat with blue bottom paint-I think thats the lowest I've ever seen on a cat that size!

[masalai]

That may be, 'pay the storage and it is yours', sort of stuff... Might make an interesting thread except for incurring the "owners wrath" if the owner is still looking to sell...

Some of the points identified may make a good case to suggest to self-design/builders to get knowledgeable and expert advice before building - or - buying...

[dskira]

I like this picture. Very unusual and romantic.
Subdue. Very nice.
Daniel

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-building/62424d1318764039-my-little-piece-peace-dscn4556.jpg

[Frosty]

If you dont know what it is I suppose it coud be --nice--. What it is,- is a white out thats the calm before the storm, it is iminent heavy rain ,no visability and high winds,'

Nice-- I dont fking think so, If I was able I would drop the hook for an hour especially if near land and certainly one eye on the GPS.

Radar is useless in that and just as important is so is every body elses

[dialdan]

Masalai
Move your FKG Boat

[masalai]

I would except somebody OVERSIZED it and the image more than covers 2 x 1920 x 1080 screens set side by side... :o If you read the post, the storm lasted for minutes, then passed on... I was about 3 miles from the river mouth in 15 ft of water travelling at about 4knots... It cleared before I had gone half a mile and 12 ft of water...

I was advised holding close to the mangroves was good whereas further upstream, beyond the small cat? is very risky... I will be there around 8am Tuesday... Cno should hold fast with the forecast worst case winds as the anchor held easily in 40knots on Sth Percy...

[dialdan]

Masalai
CNO has dragged past my boat (DITTO) contacting it on the way past , this is what I have been told from a reliable source , there is a good chance if the wind drops out tonight that your boat will collide with mine when the tide turns . This is the third time within the past week I have had yachts
drifting into mine . I am thinking of painting a bullseye on the side.

[dialdan]

MAS
CNO is now aground halfway up the river bank .

[sabahcat]

Hefty enough ground tackle

Ground Tackle: 1 45kg CQR with heavy duty swivel, 50m chain.
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=11062373

[sabahcat]

Hefty enough ground tackle
Though I suspect they mean 45lb, which would be marginal IMHO

[masalai]

45kg, + 15 to 20 m of heavy chain in about 2 to 3M of water at most, - but no one suggested that the bottom was "coffee rock" which offers a "holding capacity akin to Teflon on a frying pan... Anyhow, the contact - if any must have been more gentle than lovers lightly caressing each others lips... as a close inspection could not find any marks - not even any 'lip-gloss' smeared...

ALL IS WELL, That ends well... Phew....

The anchor bit into some mud near the river bank... Perched one side in about 1ft and the other, not quite floating... No dramas as it is designed to sit on the bottom comfortably ... and so protecting the sail-drive-legs...

[sabahcat]

45kg,
Really?
99lb's is a lot of pick for that boat, you'd think weight alone would have kept you secure

ALL IS WELL, That ends well... Phew....
Good to hear.

[masalai]

I cannot lift it and I can lift 2 x 25 litre containers of fuel, but they have convenient handles... and almost weigh the same... (50 x .81 + a couple of kg for the containers...)

I upgraded my OS to Linux Mint 11 - (katya)... The email thing, 'pigbond' is refusing to accept the access password, yet on the browser, (Firefox), I can get my webmail no problems, but that system is really messy and comparatively convoluted.... Mint is getting better and better at each evolution... In about 3 or 4 more iterations I expect that it will almost be ably to reply for me and do the backup/restore parts automatically :D :D :D :o

"LibreOffice" boasts of being able to read and write in most "microsoft formats" as well as *.pdf and the OpenOrg standards... It uses a journal type file-system - I use ext4 that is quite robust and does NOT need to be de-fragmented... and to non-commercial users, it is totally free...................

[Frosty]

Too bloody big.

Its a 45 ilb

[masalai]

I can easily lift 45 pounds :o

[Frosty]

Yor little windlas wont lift 90 ilb and chain.

Is that why you dont set the anchor becaue you cant get it out again.

I always set the anchor, even if Im an board. I pull hard back with 500HP.

And, if im going to leave it I will pull hard for 30 seconds and take a transit with a tree.
The water around me is frothy white when I shut dowen engines,--its a 45ilb.

Just sayin

[sabahcat]

Yor little windlas wont lift 90 ilb and chain.



Depending on model, it'll lift 1200lb to 2000lb
http://www.arco-winches.com/products/anchor/hutton

I think it'll manage

[Frosty]

I just nipped back to the picture of the white out containing the windlas. Looks like the anchor is not parked , its swinging about underneath some where, I think I might just be able to make out the shackle. I guess theres a swivel after that, im not a swivel fan. Its definately the weakest link. Oh and please dont talk stainless swivels.

[Alan.M]

Start my engines? I have four methods of starting my engines - you say I need more? - How many ways can you start your engines?



Can you list these 4 methods please?

[Alan.M]

I like this picture. Very unusual and romantic.
Subdue. Very nice.
Daniel

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-building/62424d1318764039-my-little-piece-peace-dscn4556.jpg

Have to say, two words came to mind.

Masking tape.

[Fanie]

Can you list these 4 methods please?

Electric start
Pull start
Sling start
Push start

Obvious isn't it ?

Have to say, two words came to mind.

Hail Raymarine ?





Did I win anything :D

[Fanie]

I just nipped back to the picture of the white out containing the windlas. Looks like the anchor is not parked , its swinging about underneath some where, I think I might just be able to make out the shackle. I guess theres a swivel after that, im not a swivel fan. Its definately the weakest link. Oh and please dont talk stainless swivels.

You should make your own swivels. I make mine using a big bolt and nut and two nuts that slides over the bolt.

Use two big u-bolts that just fit over the big nuts and weld then together
The bolt and nut also gets welded together.

Overkill's the word. If the chain twists up it's going to break... easy.
Mooring Swivel

The one in the picture is for fesh water, it gets hot dip galvanized.

[Frosty]

No comment.

[Landlubber]

No comment.

[masalai]

No comment, but then again, I cannot help myself :D :D :D :D :o

Next week I will personally do the little job of fitting the new propellers, as I have removed the old folding propellers... A bit of a patch-up at the lower end of the stbd? mini-keel - I think I struck a bit of sunken debris (aluminium dingy or crab-pot?) in Pumicestone Passage, and flattened whatever it was... minimal damage to CNO - cosmetic mainly...

[Manie B]

I tried to connect to bob oram wordpress and it says site deleted by owner?

Is this correct, has he got a new site?

can't find anything

:?:

[sabahcat]

I tried to connect to bob oram wordpress and it says site deleted by owner?

Is this correct, has he got a new site?

can't find anything

:?:

Same here
boboramdesign.wordpress.com is no longer available.
The authors have deleted this blog.
Cached copy works

[masalai]

http://scrumbleproject.wordpress.com/ in Darwin - Tom & Judy used to maintain his site...

He may have retired? - Contact Tom & Judy is all I can suggest as a link to his work is no longer there?

On my boat, fitted new 3 blade fixed propellers 15 x 12 Lets see what happens now?
- A minor ding at the lower forward edge of the stbd mini-keel is now stronger than before... I figure that it may have been a small aluminium dingy that had sunk and drifted up Pumicestone Passage after the floods a while ago... - the water was still (then) very murkey and the object was not very robust and in about 4 ft of water... (The boat draws 3ft 3 inches in trim at that time...)

[Manie B]

Jeez it would be silly for Bob not to start doing these things himself
I mean after he was involved with this MONSTER cat for a very rich HAIRDRESSER he should be on his way to Hollywood and stardom ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yrCh8NKMXyo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHWnAQ-47bI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXv40sUSD1w&feature=related

Mas just a silly question from a backyard boy in a third world country
how the FFFFF does a hairdresser make sooooo much money on your "Gold Coast"
I mean do the folks there by you live so well that they can just thow money around all day long on hairdo's. California is far away where all the women sport "breasts" from some doctor with a TV reality show. Oh dear I must educate myself on these beauty matters, my ignorance is showing. BTW Hollywood boobies are ugly, it always makes me think that if they puncture, the lady will blow away like a balloon - fffrrrrtttt swoooosh and gone. Hell maybe that is the intention of how to get rid of such a woman, she simply blows away on her own "fart" cushion.

Maybe Bob doesn't need a website anymore, maybe he is in fulltime employ of the hair crowd :D:D:D

[troy2000]

http://scrumbleproject.wordpress.com/ in Darwin - Tom & Judy used to maintain his site...

He may have retired? - Contact Tom & Judy is all I can suggest as a link to his work is no longer there?

On my boat, fitted new 3 blade fixed propellers 15 x 12 Lets see what happens now?
- A minor ding at the lower forward edge of the stbd mini-keel is now stronger than before... I figure that it may have been a small aluminium dingy that had sunk and drifted up Pumicestone Passage after the floods a while ago... - the water was still (then) very murkey and the object was not very robust and in about 4 ft of water... (The boat draws 3ft 3 inches in trim at that time...)
Gratz on getting your propellers fitted, mas. Like a lot of other folks here, I'll be waiting for a field report to see how the boat does with them.

[Frosty]

the lady will blow away like a balloon - fffrrrrtttt swoooosh and gone. Hell maybe that is the intention of how to get rid of such a woman,

Never ever get rid of a woman that blows, they are not always replacable,----oh yes they say they do in the interveiw but put a ring on it and the rules change.

[sabahcat]

Mas just a silly question from a backyard boy in a third world country
how the FFFFF does a hairdresser make sooooo much money on your "Gold Coast"
I mean do the folks there by you live so well that they can just thow money around all day long on hairdo's.
Worked his ring off, worked smart and built up 40 something Salons and a restaurant
http://www.stefan.com.au/history.html
http://www.stefan.com.au/locations.html

or maybe it was drugs:confused:

I have no reason to believe it was from drugs, , but his "Skyneedle " does look like a giant syringe
http://images.smh.com.au/2009/10/06/774084/420stefan-420x0.jpg

[Manie B]

Thanks for the info
so Stefan is the man! tower and all ;)
sharp cookie after all

Never ever get rid of a woman that blows

haven't even found one :eek:
bit of a taboo in our Nederdutch Reformed pro Hitler Apartheid Regime
we were so brainwashed (German and Latin at school) it's even still evident now after all these years

anyway
Mas my mate is also waiting for propellors
3 blade fixed for the 2x Volvo saildrives
boat is ready to be launched very soon now

:)

[Frosty]

If you can find time to put a name on it it is way ready to launch.

There is a guy here on the Island has taken 7 years to build a catamaran, it was to be launched last July now its Dec but already it is now Feb --hes scared of it.

[masalai]

Please post an image on this thread of the Thai/Malaysian Cat - - Frosty? - I would like to see what he is scared of?...

Manie, - - how about a view of the underwater lines from aft and fwd? that boat looks very interesting...
Stefan, (pronounced as in a girls name, Stefany without the y), certainly worked his butt off - the ladies loved him (they felt safe and were tickled by his feminine touch and well tanned & groomed Italian appearance?) - He was also one of the originals to self-promote heavily on TV, and his hairstyles seemed to be really appreciated - an artist in coiffure?


Thanks Troy,
Boat now does 9 knots on both at 3000 so an improvement there in terms of speed and fuel-economy as 3000 rpm = 3 litres burn/hour each... - On either engine 3000rpm = 6 knots so I am well pleased... - - I am not sure of the tidal influences there as there are patches in excess of 3 knots of occasions... When I have saved up for another load, (1500litres), of fuel (present price at the bouser is about Au$1.51/litre - - LOTS MORE AT MARINA"S), and do my next long run, I will likely have a better idea...

New propeller... image DSCN4568 - See where a dog (or someone?) had a pee on my mini-keel? - it shows that the copper is working...

[Frosty]

Mass --- Well Im not sphyiciatrist infact I can't even spell the word but he said last time that he has to have power cables removed, I think he would have known that 7 years ago.

Hes just so slow --it took him 3 months to fit the shafts and rudders.

Hes become landlocked and lost it, no photos sorry I havnt even seen it.

[masalai]

Here she is earlier this morning (low tide was 09:02h z) sitting on her mini-keels... Draft is 36inches, LOA ia a touch under 40 ft BeamOA is 21 ft and with the VHF aerials down I have an air draft of just under 14 ft...

[masalai]

Surprise, surprise - - - During the quiet of the full tide not yet turning, I did a couple of brief measurement runs against the GPS showing 9 strong satellite signals the boat did 6.7 knots running beam on to the prevailing 6 knot breeze on either engine in turn, with the other turned off and with the propeller free rotating in neutral doing the same velocity in the reciprocal direction... engines were showing 3000 rpm when engaged (otherwise 0 rpm - stopped & in neutral) - with BOTH at full throttle - 3600 rpm I got 10.1 knots... Bloody amazing...

Stern view, but at anchor... (previous speed tests I had the tender on tow astern... This time I pulled the tender up to clear the water on the port stern section...) Bridge-deck clearance aft, about 750mm...

[Frosty]

My peace has been shatered by a little fury animal more commonly kown as R_A_T.

It not on the boat but seems to like to visit the aft deck at night, evidence being a hole in the bottom of the wifes shopping bag and a hole in plastic packaging of a loaf of bread. What the bread was doing there during the night has already been disgust at length if you know what I mean and alterations to unloading of shopping been approved.

However,--the rat,--- I obtained a rat trap,- I thought a suitable impliment for such occasions and set it using toasted bread ( seeing it like it so much to destroy my bag)

It did not work , trap empty and still primed and bated, Damn.

Next night a forgot to set the trap and left it on but it would be impossible to snap shut, the bate was gone. Ive never seen the missus laugh so much and accused me of being out smarted by a rat. Ill get the basterd tonight. War is on.

[masalai]

Where Have I heard the phrase "Too many rats in the world".... some comedian or someone on TV... ? - I hope you win that war... A nice fresh pumpkin seed or a bit of "smelly cheese" melted slightly with a gas lighter after setting on the trap... Otherwise you may have to "sink the boat" as it seems that rats always are the first to leave a sinking ship - does that apply to boats too ???

[Frosty]

Things have moved up a bit.I have seen evidence of the bastard in the boat, some urin on the galley top Yuk --this was is on.

[hoytedow]

The electric traps work best, in my experience. 2 D-cells and off they go to Valhalla.

http://www.entirelypets.com/elecmousetrap.html?mr:trackingCode=A59B8A05-EC27-DF11-9DA0-002219319097&mr:referralID=NA&origin=pla&mr:adType=pla&gclid=CLek6-68pKwCFUdn5QodPSc94A

I killed one a day for a week until they were all dead and the batteries were still good after that.

[masalai]

'Ratsack' works, and is also effective on other uninvited pests... Notify the marina management as that presents a serious health hazard...

Rats (not so much mice) carry all sorts of diseases on themselves as fleas and other parasites as well as infections they carry... When I went to work in Solomon Islands - the coastal ship I was sent to manage - had a very large complement of rats brought on-board with the copra... The 'original' rat-traps were most effective... Those rats were almost the size of cats....

[hoytedow]

You might also consider an addition to your diet:

http://www.rense.com/general27/ram.htm

[Frosty]

Damn --no sign of anything this morning > I left it some toast and some milk and a little piece of toilet paper incase he needed to poop, but nothing,--- niether was the trap tripped outside. Any help here, can anyone think like a rat.

Ive heard moth balls sends them nuts, and catching them in my experience with rat glue is best.

But as yet I am still faceds with the possibility I dont have one.

[WestVanHan]

The bucket and tube trick,or the bucket method- work good...then all you need to do is dump it overboard.
Or skin and sautee lightly with garlic and basil

[Frosty]

The bucket and tube trick,or the bucket method- work good...then all you need to do is dump it overboard.
Or skin and sautee lightly with garlic and basil

Could you be more specific? Ive heard of the bucket method in contraception but never for rat control.

Its amazing what you can do with a bucket, some one should write a book.

We had a plastic surgeon stay next to us a few days ago in his boat. I asked if he could put a new handle on my bucket but he didnt seem interested.

[sabahcat]

Could you be more specific? Ive heard of the bucket method in contraception but never for rat control.

http://www.google.com.au/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENAU304&q=bucket+rat+trap&oq=bucket+rat+tra&aq=0&aqi=g1g-v1g-m4g-b1g-bm1&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=106l1024l0l6055l6l6l0l0l0l0l334l828l2-2.1l3l0

[WestVanHan]

Frosty I looked up "bucket" on urbandictionary and it seems you are hiding a secret from us all. :eek:

Basically you make them walk out onto a board (via bait) or tube which overbalances and dunks them into a bucket of water.Bucket on floor beside galley counter,tube/stick on top.

Or get a largish bowl,put an inch or two of veg oil with a big blob of peanut butter in it.Build a ramp for any possible wheelchair rats. Will have zero traction and drown or float there awaiting the dungeon master.

Apparently the 20l buckets are also used as marital aids...my only guess is to cover someone's head.

[Frosty]

Bucket method of contraception.

Female stands on a firm platform and the male stands on a buket, when the males eyes glaze over the female kicks the bucket away.

[Landlubber]

....even cheaper is to put a penny between the knees...it must be held firm.....

[Frosty]

....even cheaper is to put a penny between the knees...it must be held firm.....


Naaa,---I bet I could still get in there.

[Manie B]

Good one :D

self priming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL90_X2ms88&feature=related

as you can see I had a lot of fun with this nonsence :D

[Frosty]

I cant do you tube my flash player wont work even though I down loaded a new one.

Im not too sure on you tube but it definately will not play Hamster porn.

[masalai]

You might also consider an addition to your diet:

http://www.rense.com/general27/ram.htm

I do not think I will need such, but recent reading, (Casey Research and other stuff), from USA indicates that many there may find such useful, sometime in the not too distant future... :P

[Frosty]

Oh my god it seems to be living under the seat I sit on.Weve just found a whole load of biscuit packets ripped open and piss. It had a kind of a nest in the wife crochet box.

Now hes done it hes pissed off the missus, Shes in there now removing everything.

Got a stainless steel trap and weve got dead rat walking.

Its not small --turds are 4.5mm, hes not been here long about the same time I bought 4 boxes of wine back from the whole sale!!!! hhmmmm.

[Frosty]

Pssst --(whispering) ive set the trap-- its under the seat---im waiting for the


WHAP-------

[hoytedow]

Peanut butter and bananas are better bait than cheese. Don't tell the rat.

[Frosty]

SShhhh ---I think I can hear something.....

[masalai]

"BANG"
.... did you get the rat? - that had an impact here, burgler alarms going off, police, fire and ambo sirens...
Bloody hell frosty did you nuke the bastard?
Frosty, are you there?
Are you alive?
- What the heck happened?

[Frosty]

Good morning --oh what a lovely day tr la la,--not a good day for the rat though!!!!

The bastard ran around the lounge like he owned the place . I was amazed at his agility and my night vision.The missus altered the trap and cought it a few minutes later,--she says.

Shear luck I say but it will be one of those days (you know what I mean) Oh I can catch a rat but you cant. ille prob go out later.

Any way ---Bang and I came out and he was sitting there eating fish curry toast,--not my choice of bate it was her indoors choice at approx 3 am.

3.3AM Ithink it was that wth towel round waist I tied a rope to the cage and threw it over the side.

RIP RAT

[hoytedow]

You used a live catch trap? Show us a picture.

[Frosty]

You used a live catch trap? Show us a picture.

Im not sure I understand the question, yes the rat was living when it walked into the trap yes Hoyt. Then when he sits down and starts to eat the food the food is attached to a wire that pulls a string that starts a motor that winds up a weight that falls on a spring that release a ball that goes up a ramp that,---something like that.

The rat amazed at the engineering technology is not aware that the door is slowly closing.

Show a picture of what --the rat?--its a round thing with a leg on each corner sticking down when its alive.
When its dead its a round thing with a leg on each corner sticking up.

Any way Davy Jones has got im.

[hoytedow]

Did you keep the trap? Do you have a picture of the trap?

[Frosty]

You know I dont normally go round taking picturers of rat traps actually.

Any way my USB -B to USB -A is missing.

Its a square box with a flap door spring loaded kept open by a baited clip just set to unload the door on the slightest movement, the skill is setting that clip.

The rest the rat does himself!!

[hoytedow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=75lxLfWdk3Y

[masalai]

To return to topic, some repeat? images of the boat.... you will note the tilt in 4592, - that is due to the incoming tide and time-lapse photography... - If you accept that, then bully for you...

[hoytedow]

It sure is a beaut!

[masalai]

Thanks Hoyt, I now feel soooo mellow, after being soooo stressed out for a bit more than 2 weeks...

I feel the desperate need to go for an extended cruise...

[CatBuilder]

What does CNO stand for? When I first saw it, I thought it said CDO! :)

BTW: That Oram is a great design. Beautiful lines.

[masalai]

CNO relates to ability to run using CocoNutOil........ Bob has designs up to about 80 ft - all cats... power and sail... I think he has retired from kit designs... Contact Judy and Tom in Darwin, they are building a 44C slowly and with perfection in quality as their 'motto'.... ScrumbleProject... They used to manage Bobs website...

[hoytedow]

From what I have seen on this forum, Bob Oram is the master of kit cats.

[Doug Lord]

Thanks Hoyt, I now feel soooo mellow, after being soooo stressed out for a bit more than 2 weeks...

I feel the desperate need to go for an extended cruise...
----------------
Are you going to take that cruise?? I want to go to-at least I can follow you from here...Have fun!

[masalai]

Copied from Manies build thread - cause I am lazy today...

Go Go GO...... the ladder is a training device to strengthen your legs for life at sea... The phase you are in is soon forgotten and the excitement of "trials" and fine tuning further delays the cruise departure.... Try to remember this when you are "mid ocean" and can see no progress in your voyage as there are no landmarks to measure ones progress... Life is full of these frustrations... Look at my doomsday threads... Howled down left right and centre... I too am pissed as I crave to continue my travels and seem to be blockaded... Bugger, and this morning I was contentedly dreaming that I received a 38,000 pound sterling "grant" and in excitement woke up before banking it... :o

The cruise is,
a), up the coast in leisurely fashion to Cairns, - or make a mad panic dash to do "b)" or "c)"
b), a passage to Samarai Is, to clear customs, and then gunk-hole around Goodenough, Fergusson & Normanby islands and back to Cairns/Brisbane... or
c), over the top of Cape York via Torres Strait, and so to the Gulf of Carpentaria and visit my home port "Gove", and other places of interest like the SE corner of the Gulf to observe the "Morning Glory" as it passes... or all of them or none? :o

[masalai]

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Casey research http://www.caseyresearch.com/gsd/edition/germany-probably-cant-get-its-gold-back-us-jim-rickards led me to this fantastic 'youtube' link... - - "Beethoven's fifth, by a conductor who could give us all lessons in enthusiasm: 3 year old Jonathan" - - http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945 - - - enjoy...

[masalai]

Slowly accumulating fuel and other necessities... Carpeted the bridge-deck floor - looks quite neat (in a rough 'bushy style'.), - an improvement - what remains to be seen, or rather not-heard, - is, - will it lessen the engine noise for those - non-deaf fellow travellers? - it is rubber backed...

Fuel supply is now 200 litres, (=400 miles at 6 knots approximately), - slowly accumulating... as the pension allows... 1600 to 1800 litres and I should be ready...

[Landlubber]

...I hope it is not rubber backed in that black stuff, cos if it is, within a year you will be covered in black dust as it falls apart.

[dialdan]

Fuel supply is now 200 litres, (=400 miles at 6 knots approximately), - slowly accumulating... as the pension allows... 1600 to 1800 litres and I should be ready...

You need a kitesail Mas , no need for a mast

[masalai]

Landie,
I hope the "rubber part" is durable too...........

dialdan,
Been researching them too, price is almost the same as a normal mast and a pair of 45M genoa, and the controls are complex... - particularly in collapsing and packing...

Round parachutes (modified) are a bit better for control but not cheap either and seem happiest with a mast to launch... - Both options seem to demand foredeck presence to 'launch' & 'retrieve', not so with genoa....

Thanks for your input, keep looking, as someone is bound to sort out the issues sooner or later...

Price of PV panels seems to be coming down, 24V - 175W - - 1600mm x 800mm have come down some 30% from when I bought mine... Another 5 may be nice? but not really high on the needs list...

First is battery charger from Christie Engineering, (around Au$1485) http://www.christieengineering.com.au/Products.asp?PCat=Diesel%20battery%20chargers
Then 60LPH watermaker, (more expensive)
Followed by mast & 2 x genoa... (lots more expensive)

Somewhere in the mix is proper fuel tanks? 2 x VOYAGER 600litre http://www.turtlepac.com/en/products/super-deck-tanks.html (the lot around $40K) :D

Nice to dream and hope - occasionally....
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[Frosty]

You need a kitesail Mas , no need for a mast

Ide stick something in the hole and buy a second hand sail for a few hundred dollars. It'lle pull you along.Even with rope rigging, seen a few gone round the world.

Your not a mechanic Mas drifing hundreds of miles will not be nice. I know you cut all risks to minimum with new engines N all but **** happens.

Mind you plenty of Aus soast guards in Northern waters. You'lle prob be able to see at least one all day and they have good photographers on board filming "Border security so we'lle be able to see you on Telly.

And if youi fly an Indoneaian flag they will escort you all the way to Bali for free.

[masalai]

The mast is the difficult part as it relies on 4 stays, 2 fwd and 2 aft and none midships, and the chain-plates are built-in and there; - in place... - - As is the mast-step (being used by the radar at present)... There is no point or advantage in using something heavy and small, that will be ineffective and a complete waste of money and effort... I do have the capacity and materials to erect a jury rig...

Bali is some 2000 miles West, out of my planned trip at this point in time

[masalai]

Sitting pretty, awaiting my attentions (another 150 litres of fuel) to be delivered this weekend or Monday / Tuesday, - - as I want to be there when the prawn-Trawlers return, - following a wet day on Bribie Island as the prawns will be extra sweet..........
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[masalai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbDofgD04dc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSe99SUopg&feature=watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsEhuWENkN0&NR=1

[Frosty]

Sitting pretty, awaiting my attentions (another 150 litres of fuel) to be delivered this weekend or Monday / Tuesday, - - as I want to be there when the prawn-Trawlers return, - following a wet day on Bribie Island as the prawns will be extra sweet..........
103330

Now that sounds nice, hot fried up with chilli and boiled rice eh?

Wok cooking is difficult on a boat you need an effin hot fire as well and any fish cooking makes the boat stink.

You got a good aft deck for that stuff.

[troy2000]

Now that sounds nice, hot fried up with chilli and boiled rice eh?

Wok cooking is difficult on a boat you need an effin hot fire as well and any fish cooking makes the boat stink.

You got a good aft deck for that stuff.

Normally I'd settle for just doing the prawns in butter and garlic, along with a nice jasmine rice -- or maybe basmati. But if i had a stash of those little dried Thai red peppers, it would be a sin not to use them somehow....

I have an outdoor cooker that was made using a commercial restaurant wok burner, with three separate burner rings. When turned down, only the lowest inner ring burns. On medium, the second ring lights, and on high all three rings start blasting.

Usually I just set a humongous cast iron dutch oven on top of it, and bake chickens two or three at a time. And I've used it to deep fry a couple of turkeys. But with a commercial wok set into it, I can turn out a proper stir fry -- which as you noted, takes blast-furnace heat to do right.

On the riverboat PAR is drawing for me, I will definitely find room on the fantail for that little gem.

[masalai]

Having stunk up the house with burnt offerings I will set up the new-still-in-the-carton BBQ as a matter of some urgency - some women should be banned from cooking, (burning - what was perfectly good fish.)...

Even a 'demigod' would be displeased with such burnt offerings.... A well earned Doctorate is no excuse... - - - - - - I will have to resume the role of Dr Sheff, the cook, and relieve the "Dr of Education" to her other "qualified" activities unrestrained...


No rain again / STILL.......... - and the long range forecast was for a very wet end of year and early month or so in 2012 .......... WTF... has the weather bureau been cooking the books too? - - - - Hot (around 30 deg Celsius, unseasonal NNE winds and NO sign of rain in SE Queensland...

[troy2000]

Having stunk up the house with burnt offerings I will set up the new-still-in-the-carton BBQ as a matter of some urgency - some women should be banned from cooking, (burning - what was perfectly good fish.)...

Even a 'demigod' would be displeased with such burnt offerings.... A well earned Doctorate is no excuse... - - - - - - I will have to resume the role of Dr Sheff, the cook, and relieve the "Dr of Education" to her other "qualified" activities unrestrained...


No rain again / STILL.......... - and the long range forecast was for a very wet end of year and early month or so in 2012 .......... WTF... has the weather bureau been cooking the books too? - - - - Hot (around 30 deg Celsius, unseasonal NNE winds and NO sign of rain in SE Queensland...

So that's where our rain is coming from. It got lost on its way to Australia....:eek:

Our rainy season normally doesn't start in earnest until January, but we've been getting hit for a month now. If it keeps up, I'm going to find a few days to spend in the desert with a camera, shooting wildflowers and landscapes.

[hoytedow]

Mas, don't be too hard on the Cook.

April showers bring May flowers.
Mayflower brought Pilgrims.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[masalai]

I am still waiting for rain to "justify" the trip up to my boat carrying 150litres more fuel - I want to go after the trawlers have been for a run outside Bribie Island... Also rowing out to the boat with all that fuel is quite hot work in a sunny day when the shade temperature exceeds 30 degrees Celsius, and solar radiation is sunburn / cancer promoting time....
104540

[masalai]

Well that 150 litres is bought, The boat seems snug and securely anchored with the bridle doing what is is supposed to do.... Clouds appear to be gathering (somewhere) as one hour they are to the north, then to the south, then to the west, then to the east - - - WTF cannot decide where to go...

Humidity is so high it is almost raining UPWARDS....

A wooden hull being rebuilt = DSCN4560
Resting and awaiting command (refueling) = DSCN4604

[masalai]

No rain today, No rain today,
it turned and pissed the other way...

Does not scan nor rhyme, but neither did it rain... So Wot?
and I poured oil on the waters for zot......

[rwatson]

Well that 150 litres is bought, The boat seems snug and securely anchored with the bridle doing what is is supposed to do.... Clouds appear to be gathering (somewhere) as one hour they are to the north, then to the south, then to the west, then to the east - - - WTF cannot decide where to go...

Humidity is so high it is almost raining UPWARDS....


Was just up your end of the world - better do what I did, and head back down to Hobart where we had a lovely 17 degrees and sunshine today.

That wet season up there is for mad dogs only!

[Manie B]

Mas get in the boat and get going ;)

forget about the economy
Italy is coming on "board"
and the Dow Jones is going south

(the black line is where I ran out of margin)
lost US$ 2000 - ouch!
no more trading for me until we see stability
that is why I have ONLY concertrated on my boat:)

[Manie B]

Mas you better get going :)

we have just been advised that we are in for a La Nina weather system

wet wet wet until the end of March !!!! yikes !

we are the same latitude as you so i can only assume that you will also be in for lots of rain :(

[masalai]

Hi All,
I have "bolt holes" organised, up carefully selected creeks, and tied off to mangroves... Economics is no bother as I am out... I have been for 9 months, and am slowly accumulating fuel...

SEVENTEEN DEGREES CELSIUS - bloody heck - Has hell frozen over? - - - - I like a bit of warmth, - water around 28 to 32 deg C and the air humid - good excuse to sit contentedly under the shade of a 'Galip' or 'Tallis' tree, (does anyone know their latin names?), and eat the nuts so delivered whilst washing them down with a chilled beer... cooled by a ghost of a breeze from the ocean... It is DOLDRUM season within 5 degrees S of the equator...

[masalai]

Well a little rain fell on the boat, - hopefully some of the bird droppings have been washed off the PV panels... - - and home, - tanks are only part empty - having been replenished slightly... and the 40 odd fruit trees are well watered...

Apart from the stupidity demonstrated in local politics, "know gnus is good news"?
105160

[masalai]

At "the garden shed", a little over 1 inch of rain - slow enough to have mostly soaked in... On the boat, very little fell - not even enough to smear the bird droppings on the PV panels... Deposited some more fuel - so I have 465 litres on board... 1335 to go for my maximum capacity... Last buy price for fuel was Au$1.47/litre :o

Interesting audio here - believe it or not - but the discussion is not far off what I feel comfortable with in a general view. Disregard the marketing but between the lines makes for interesting thought... http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/762.cfm?awt_l=J859B&awt_m=3ZqeUan2hxAZ85B

[masalai]

Hello,


I am joyfully planting Grevillea, Callistemon and other plants and trees to attract birds, as well as a selection of fruit trees...


Please do not feed or encourage crows
http://birdsinbackyards.net/species/Corvus-coronoides
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Raven


Crows are native birds, protected by law, are inclined to displace all other species by out-competing them for food if attracted to a locality... Normal Crow densities are one breeding couple in an area of normal type habitat, occupy about one square kilometer... Suburbia is not their “normal” habitat... Higher densities encourage plague level infestations and may destroy peaceful enjoyment of nature in balance...


Crows also cause problems by:
Stealing and eating the eggs of other Native birds...
Crows are omnivores (eat anything and everything)...
Are aggressive feeders force other gentler birds away...
Crows carry your offerings and drop them in gutters – putrefying the water in tanks...
I see a couple of TV antenna are broken because the Crows regularly roost on them...
Crows are opportunists and will occupy where they find a regular feed...


It is bad enough that some children at the nearby school throw their crusts and rubbish for the crows (instead of placing rubbish in the bins)... Please do not encourage the crows to spread their presence displacing other native birds...


Kookaburras, magpies and butcher birds will help keep the snake population down if allowed, But the crows will soon totally displace them, sadly.... (and they offer a joyful song)...


Other smaller birds will seek and eat spiders, and other smaller insects – They deserve a place in this habitat, but will not succeed where crows are present as they cannot breed if the crows continue to steal and eat their eggs...


The crows stole Mulberries, Figs, Persimmon, Guava, Nectarine, Scarcely leaving any to eat, let alone share....


Thanks

[Boston]

Mass why aren't you using alternative fuels to blend what you have. You could build a small filtering station. All its gotta do is heat the fuel, then dewater it in a settling tank or in a centrifuge ( there about $100 ) and run it threw a few filters. I prefer the settling tank but a centrifuge works better, its just you have to clean it out more often. Often enough that its a pain in the ass actually. But if you ran say 1/3 used motor oil and 2/3 diesel your engines aren't even going to notice it.

If you run veggie its different but used motor oil doesn't even require retiming the engines. And it delivers more power so you'd be going further pr gallon.

Just an idea.

If your worried about the smoke factor check out my latest test run on my truck, which is running on about that same blend of motor oil and diesel.

http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c262/bostonpyramidbuilder/?action=view&current=DSCN0257.mp4

[masalai]

I have mentioned what I will do - CocoNut Oil - Why do you think the boat is called CNO? - I am sure I have posted research and documentation elsewhere .... for all to read and see....

If someone would like to join in, I would appreciate around $75K to do that stuff at one location in Melanesia somewhere - Instead of making copra and selling to buyers who send it to Europe, -
- Re-habilitate a coconut plantation by replanting 10% to 20% a year,...
- Expell the oil locally and sell as cold pressed for the health food / pharmaceutical market
- The surplus, (not quite perfect coconut oil, the "reject" stuff), is fuel - It is ready as is....
- Make Biochar and mix with compost and other stuff to "sweeten" it and apply as fertiliser...
- Collect the $$$ as carbon credits, on locking up the carbon to benefit the farm...
- Sell or use the "copra-meal" and "coconut-water" as stock-food to raise poultry and pigs
- Use the 'dung' to sweeten the "Biochar" / compost mixture....
- Sell the eggs, Poultry meat, Pig meat...
- Apiculture adds bee-keeping options and 10% improved crop of coconuts....
A neat little recycling circular business....

Existing Biochar plants cost in Australia around $100K :o They generate their own methane as a by-product and use that to self-power that process...

Boston, expect smoke until the engine achieves operating temperature... Remember it is jetted and tuned for the 100000+ year old stuff... not last weeks cooking oil :D

[Boston]

actually if you look at the film you'll see that with proper tuning almost no smoke is visible. I've seen those 100+k rigs and its ridiculous to spend that much on something you can DYI with an old kiln and a few pipes. I've seen pyrolysis systems that cost less then 2K and also run on there own byproducts. I would thing coconut oil would be even easier to process. And ya I remember you talking about running it on CC oil but I haven't seen your system to produce it yet, so is all that still in the plan?

I was just thinking if your feeling light in the wallet and need a few hundred liters of fuel you might as well hit up the filling station and see if they don't have a 1k liter tank of used motor oil you might walk away with. Filter it, take the water out of it and mix it with your diesel. Works like a charm. Even boosts power. Cheap. No 100k system necessary

[masalai]

The pyrolisis machine is NOT for the coconut oil, but the husks and shell, fallen fronds and other fallen litter that can be readily "burnt" - the $100K unit is "continuous flow" and commercial volumes exceeding 4000kg of charcoal / day in granules - a huge volume... I agree, it could be made on site for less...

[Boston]

I'm just trying to encourage you along as we have basically the same plan. You got yours done miles ahead of me but my alternatives fueled truck is almost done. Try branching out in your fuel options, you'd be amazed at what will run through a diesel.

[masalai]

Hi Bos - Yes almost anything including ammonia?..... It is a matter of priorities, time and money...

[Boston]

Well no time like the present to save money. And the same system that polishes your diesel will also polish motor oil well enough, unless you have emulsified water in which case you need a centrifuge. Long story short if your just hanging out and goofing off might as well build a small separate filtering station on board and start bringing in some alternative fuels. All told it wouldn't cost more than a few hundred to build and you could start in with that CNO or whatever almost immediately.

[masalai]

Hi Bos, - - ? - - I do not "polish" the oil - just filter it to finer than 5 microns to remove the solid matter ("fibre" from the nut kernel) so it will pass through the injectors with ease - That is done in the factory as part of the process - even for the food grade oil..... Not good to mix fuels in filtering and other shared systems...

[Boston]

I'm suggesting you loose dependence on factory produced fuels and either collect them as waste oils and reprocess them yourself or go around with a big ass basket on your pedal car filled with coconuts. If you've got all the time in the world anyway might as well spend an hour a day or so collecting fuel. You'd be outa there in no time with cash to spare.

Why isn't it good to mix fuels? I've been blending fuels for over a year now and its no problem as far as I can see. Maybe CNO is different but if it is then its limiting your options and maybe a different waste oil that can be more redily blended might be better suited to the scavenging lifestyle

[sabahcat]

Maybe CNO is different
Normal 20hp nanni's from what I can gather

[Boston]

I meant coconut oil is different in that maybe it doesn't blend as well as other alternative oils.

[masalai]

Coconut Oil is reported to blend OK but will dissolve any "sludge" when mixed in the diesel-tanks, and block filters for a while when crossing to Coconut Oil... the fuel version of Coconut Oil is called CNO - sorry for the confusion there sabahcat... - The engines are 20hp Kobota/nanni

[Boston]

IDI or DI Mas
the IDI diesels run a bit better on alternatives
less electronics as well
less stuff = more reliable

[masalai]

Shoooot, all these acronyms? - - - The engine is a run of the mill Kubota 3 cyl 722 cc maranised by Nanni - - - Sea Wasp do a far better marinisation job on the same engine base as that is my spare (what was the genset)....

The 3 white painted engine pictures are the Sea-Wasp conversions... 2611, 2612, 2651...

[WestVanHan]

and the Dow Jones is going south

(the black line is where I ran out of margin)
lost US$ 2000 - ouch!
no more trading for me until we see stability


How on earth did this happen? Why are you risking more than 3% of your account? :eek: :confused:

I've traded "many" lots at a time and can't even imagine getting anywhere near any sort of margin call. How?

Don't worry about "stability"....I'd say no more trading until you learn more about the basics of trading.

If you want some tips PM me....

[masalai]

Still waiting patiently for my next voyage...

[Boston]

love your boat by the way Mass.

going to have to go back through and check the build pictures again to get some ideas for an exploratory I'm doing into a cat design.

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/35-cat-concept-inside-passage-40844-new-post.html

[downunder]

Mas,

Where did you get the composite tubes you used for your staunchions.

Were they carbon fibre ??

Good to hear you are getting everything sorted particually props.

cheers,

John

[masalai]

Hi Downunder,
Stanchions, rudder post and tubes were supplied by "Angler Fishing Rods" on the corner of Ada Street and Eveline Street, Orange Grove, Brisbane (near Archerfield / Coopers Plains)... They will do tapered but I prefer straight...

The past week I have been dining on coconut crabs, lobsters, whole fish, shellfish, squid and all manner of fresh seafood all superbly prepared by a French culinary arts trained chef... The place shall remain secret for the present time...

For 1.13 million I can put you in touch with the owners, who are reported to be selling where we stayed.... (my commission is the 30K ? - for my mast and sails :D)

[dialdan]

Hi Mas
Looks like Vanuatu to me, on the way to the cascades ( second pic)
Cheers
Al

[masalai]

Cascades? is that efate (vila)? I do not like there now - far too touristy, (bulk tourism in "standard" 4 and 5 star western style hotels)...

[dialdan]

Hi Mas
Cascades are out on the Port Havannah road ,great place to cool off although a bit of a climb to get there. Love it over there
Cheers Al

[masalai]

Dougies new boat is almost ready to launch...

[hoytedow]

That is a very nice looking boat.

[masalai]

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/global-warming-humans-blame-13720-88.html#post509067

[hoytedow]

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/global-humans-warming-blame-40600-3.html

[masalai]

Both work for me hehehe........

[hoytedow]

Warming humans, is blaming too global?

[masalai]

In the same part of the shed where my boat was built, Dougies dream is about to be launched, a 30ft powercat coming in near 2.5 tonnes.... and back to a half empty shed again... Last one is mine with carpet down at last...

[hoytedow]

Dougie did a great job on his build!

[masalai]

Launch tomorrow (Thursday 22 December 2011) if no delays arise....

[Boston]

hey whats the design and designer

[masalai]

Hi Boston, It is a Bob Oram design that dougie posted on my website until I closed it as no one wanted to "manage it" whilst I was away cruising... Bob Has now retired? - - or ??? - - he may be contacted, (if available), via "the Scrumble project", or Judy who is registered herein and based in Darwin - They are building a 44C with much pride and care...

First storms of the season? attached - IDG00073.pdf - from Australia's BOM (Bureau of Meteorology) and more stuff here http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/?tz=AEST&unit=p23&view=33&domain=1

[Boston]

ole Bobs dropped off the face of the planet, I keep trying to go to his web site but its a no go

[masalai]

Bobs website was maintained by Judy and she is a member here so a PM to her may help?

[AndrewK]

masalai, do you know where Dougi got the aluminium framed door and windows?

[masalai]

Local supplier, I will ask him... as I hope to go down and watch the launch at the high tide of near then... 7:20 ish am or pm ???

[Manie B]

Mas please try to get a couple of pics of the interior
I would love to know the interior layout
Give Dougie my best wishes for some happy boating:D

[masalai]

Oh I missed it........ The launch, that is :o and everyone is not answering their mobiles - Oh well another day?

Happy xmas and a prosperous new year... Wishful thinking but 'prosperity in and of the mind' - recognising true assets ... like reliable friends and loving family, a comfortable lifestyle and food on the table, giving to others and helping where one can :D :D :D :D

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/?tz=AEST&unit=p23&view=33&domain=14 cyclone in mid Coral Sea - not well defined and a weak category 1 system

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=sigWaveHgt&tz=AEST&area=Au&model=WG Indicates a good extended weekend - making for good surfing in SE Queensland from the southern islands of the Great Barrier Reef and maybe down South to the Northern Beaches of NSW...

[masalai]

Oh well, seems both cyclones weakened ??? The monsoonal trough is still active, so there is some little hope of another or the old re-generating? or are they destined to fizz out with a gentle whimper - like the GEC :o :?

[masalai]

I spoke with Dougie a little while ago and asked if he would consider posting here in the internal layout... We will see, and hope - - Doug is very busy so have patience...

[sabahcat]

masalai, do you know where Dougi got the aluminium framed door and windows?

These are some places I have found

http://www.boatwindscreens.com/

http://www.austmarinewindows.com.au

https://www.ajpm.com.au/

Riviera use them and the prices reflect this
http://www.alfab.com.au/

[masalai]

This confirms it, Bob has retired... http://scrumbleproject.wordpress.com/

[masalai]

111891
Well at 20:00 AEST on 31 December 2011 it is almost the end of a volatile year, and I fear the GEC will not settle but probably get more uncertain so enjoy the simple things in life for 2012 is my wish for everyone... May you feel blessed by good friendships, pleasant socialising and a greater understanding and rejoicing in the views of others....

My goal is to implement (assuming I can secure some financial support) is to implement something along the style of managing a project as follows...

Continuous flow processing of coconut oil (CFP production)

Background http://www.kokonutpacific.com.au/
The DME process is excellent for villager level processing and value-adding from the 'tree-of-life' in remote and small communities of the Pacific Islands, - - but what of those where bigger areas planted to coconut palms need to be processed?

My proposal:
The methodology is similar, in that the nuts are brought to the factory complex...

The nut owners
The nut owners are still responsible for harvesting.

The business
The business (co-operative or commercial operator) collects and stores the nuts ready for the next stage in turn.

The nut owners
The nuts are de-husked by the owners of the nuts, split (capturing the water) and finger-cut to remove the 'green' meat.

The business
The finger cut coconut meat is weighed and brought up to the hammer mill for factory staff to process and pulverise, using the collected coconut water to flush the processed / pulverised meat on to the next stage.

The coconut water is brought to the hammer mill in readiness to assist in flushing the pulverised coconut meat through the hammer mill to pass through a 6mm grating.

The pulverised meat and some of the coconut water are conveyed to the feed line of the expeller set at low pressure to extract COLD PRESSED COCONUT OIL and the coconut water is separated from this process before expelling and stored in containers

The surplus coconut water may be used to feed pigs and other livestock belonging to the business or the villager (depending on individual processing payment systems in place)

The cold pressed oil is settled, any water and/or solids are filtered out and the pure 'cold-pressed-coconut-oil' is stored in appropriate containers, for storage and or export by the business or coconut owner depending on financial arrangements in place.

The copra meal is then set through a SECOND PASS to extract more coconut oil – this lacks many of the health / pharmaceutical qualities, as the temperature removes many of the beneficial components. The oil is useful as fuel soap making and as a diesel fuel replacement.

The business uses the husks and shells in the production of bio-char, heat to operate this process, gas to run engines in the 'factory'.

The business process the dung from the piggery and poultry farming operation in the 'bio-char' facility and blends this with the coconut derived bio-char to produce natural fertilisers. These fertiliser blends are packaged and sold as a dry product or bulked and returned to the farmland as fertiliser.

The business
The Business benefits by diversification in products and effective resource utilisation:
Production and sale of cold pressed coconut oil.
CNO as fuel and for other industrial / value adding processes.
Bio-char to blend into fertiliser.
Improvements in estate hygiene and greater pasture availability.
'Copra meal' as a feed base for livestock food.
Coconut water as a livestock food / supplement

The business
The business is now able to run intensive piggery growing, poultry growing, fish farming, supplement for calves, improved carrying capacity of livestock on green pasture through better fertilisation and clearing of pastures, as well as better return from the coconuts.

By processing for adjacent villager communities, better community relations in enhancing their cash flow.

Reduced costs in fertiliser as much is now made on site and regularly spread onto the fields.

Reduced cost in fuels and energy as fuels are locally made and electricity also produced as a by-product of the bio-char process.

The business
The business will need to commit to additional expenditure required in new capital equipment and includes;
storage for coconuts delivered from the field,
space to de-husk coconuts
space to break shells and collect coconut water
coconut water containers,
husks/shells storage near bio-char plant,
coconut oils storage containers,
processing building,
hammer mill,
expeller,
materials moving equipment
generators & sundry workshop facilities & tools for maintenance and repair
tractor/trailer, or truck and nut collecting/delivery methodology/systems,
bio-char continuous flow processing plant,
Composting area, dung holding area and feed systems to bio-char plant
Bagging, storage and container cleaning facilities
Truck carried spreader to distribute fertiliser product.
Poultry growing shed
Pig growing shed
water supply to clean piggery and supply water for poultry :D :D :D

I have the details and design prepared for implementation - May your year be blessed, and may the remote communities benefit from this proposal...

May you all enjoy a prosperous 2012....

[masalai]

Just for 2, mini roast lamb leg, roast pumpkin and roast potatoes, almost ready - thanks to the magnificent glass oven... Should be sufficient for 3 meals each... :D :D

[BertKu]

Just for 2, mini roast lamb leg, roast pumpkin and roast potatoes, almost ready - thanks to the magnificent glass oven... Should be sufficient for 3 meals each... :D :D
Mass, may you have a fantastic 2012. That your business venture will work out. That you one day will add 2 electric motors to your yacht, with LiFePo4 batteries. No more worries about smelly diesel.
I am one year overdue. Just got my motors running to my perfection.
Bert

[hoytedow]

Mass, may you have a fantastic 2012. That your business venture will work out. ... .
BertBert could not have said it better, so I will just say ditto.

[Frosty]

Ditto and yet bull ****,


Perhaps in 2020,---. every thing gets better I used to be an ink monitor at school. Now they have i pads and even trying to talk to Orangutans with them.

In my time I could hardly talk to girls. This is what left me deranged and awkward with a st st st stutter and an insatiable appetite for ******.

Damn stupid censorship V1agra is what I typed,-- a medicinal assistance for impotence whats the censorship for?

[masalai]

Hi frosty,
That word is censored to slow spam posting, in my old website I would get at least 3 posts a day selling that "health product" from USA/Canadian sellers...

Did you not know? The year 2020, is the year of "perfect hindsight" celebration / reflection......

Sorry Hoyt and Bert,
Could not carry enough PV panels to replace a diesel engine running on coconut oil... and what happens when making an overnight passage? have 8 panels now (1400watts) and maximum is 13 panels for 2275 Watts...

Coral Sea weather http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/?tz=AEST&unit=p23&view=33&domain=14
and also http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-precip&tz=AEST&area=Au&model=CG

[masalai]

Under the forward halves of the in hull berths aft I am contemplating installing 2 x 500 or 600 litre fuel bladders from http://www.turtlepac.com/en/products/super-deck-tanks.html as the floor there is raised and final decisions still to be made and measured... That will give me convenient long range passage making capacity...

To keep the autopilot and other navigational stuff running I have found a small 700 watt petrol powered gen-set which can maintain the batteries and 240vac stuff when and as needed during passage... A bit of noise but mobility overnight so watches are needed not significant pilot-age skills to steer a compass course... This little engine/generator is less than Au$300 - significantly less than all other options...

Still thinking of all the options available... I need to get out and get a job so I can buy the mast and sails...

[masalai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnhcGpmH9Y&feature=related brought tears of appreciation to my eyes.... and Anoushka is almost as beautiful as Lovely Lady...

[Frosty]

To keep the autopilot and other navigational stuff running I have found a small 700 watt petrol powered gen-set which can maintain the batteries and 240vac stuff when and as needed during passage...

You poo pooed this idea -a year or more ago when I suggested it.

Glad your learning.

With a total dead boat you can now hand start something to charge something else. Its imperative, and I do go so far as to say it should be a legality.

[masalai]

Just that I could not find what I was looking for... Previous best was 5 times that price powered by a 3hp honda....

[Landlubber]

Mas, I do not know if you are aware of the hour rating on some of these small engines from zchina. Some have a rating of 100 hours, that is why they are so cheap (besides manufacturing costs/labour being cheaper anyhow). Take care when purchasing these are they will run, but are mostly crap....you do often get what you pay for.

[masalai]

Hi Landie,
Thanks for the reminder, that is mostly why I have not purchased yet, - - and the long (overnight) passages will possibly see the "100 hours" last for 3 or four years, as I prefer to anchor up in the lee of some island, or up a sheltering creek and "day-sail" to enjoy the scenery...

[Frosty]

It will rust out before it runs out.

Many are repackaged Yanmars or Hondas as is the Mariner outboard a Mercury.

[masalai]

Or I will rust and use the boat for a Viking funeral...

[masalai]

I suspect "juveniles" as the culprits (XMAS break) - - (surely adults are not so idiotic), as some have attempted to 'borrow' - actually steal my boat the other day just before I visited to relocate my anchorage in anticipation of a strong wind forecast (a 7 day forecast is available here: http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=windbarb&level=10m&tz=AEST&area=Au&model=G ), to find the engine batteries totally flat... I needed to apply a boost and recover process as AGM's are not happy when flattened...

Closer examination indicated extended attempts to start the engines by the screwdriver across the solenoid lug and since the engines come with electric shut-off / fuel-valve they would not start... As a consequence the boat could have been in danger... Luckily the forecast proved to be overstated and less than 20 knots wind was recorded... I do not know how they proposed to steer, or otherwise control the engines, or lift the anchor - - as all security screens were still in place and untampered and alarm did not activate... ??????

I still have the prospect of a shorted/burnt out starter motor on Port engine, and need to do further checks on BOTH the start batteries...

I will post the attached notices on the boat - hopefully as a deterrent... - In the meantime I must find an 'auto-electrician' or some-such, to check out the electrics and possibly remove the starter motor (A REAL PAIN IN THE ARSE JOB for a small, fit, supple and patient person to do....) and if defective I will have to get a replacement in :o farkinell......

At least the rain today will wash the seagull poo off the PV panels.... :D whilst the land based / domestic rainwater tanks are filled... :D :D

[masalai]

This is a nice met overview of the Coral Sea region... http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/?tz=AEST&unit=p23&view=33&domain=14 of the past 24 hours in hourly increments of the significant cloud (storm) movement...

[masalai]

An email, containing a pdf brochure, from the Australian supplier of the Yanmar diesel outboards is attached...

Offers a nice range of propellers and electric tilt which is nice and clearance from the bottom of the transom of 18 inches when tilted up, and on a top of transom to cavitation plate up to 27 inches "ultra long" leg extension... (D27AX-EP-UL) at 104kg (229 pounds)

At a pinch the 11.5 inch diameter propeller could fit but "warranty" ? - - I am comparing what I have comfortably running on my 20hp engines, and pushing my boat could possibly get away with 11.5 x 13 and still do 6+ knots on one and 12 knots? on both? with reasonable efficiency... These are lighter than my 20hp Nanni's of 144kg each - BUGGER... I could have avoided mini-keels :o - but then I would loose the sail option, but as an 'ageing old fart' - so what....

Jees........ To win a small lotto, (Au$50K) - - and I would swap.... and change the back porch arrangement, fit pod/mounting transom behind the under bridgedeck 45% chamfer P & S for the outboard brackets and relocate the engine controls aft, - - As on passages I steer using the autopilot as it is more accurate, and for coming alongside or in tight confines or setting the anchor, - engine throttles are better...

No idea on price yet but that can wait until I have some money... Now if that pdf was available online - a google search would have found it and I would be diesel outboard powered NOW... farkinshitbugger.......

Anyone interested in a pair of Nanni 20hp saildrive systems with about 150 hours each, on the clock. - - Will be sold in good condition... - - PM me with offers for you to collect at Monties Marina where I will have the systems removed...

[sabahcat]

3 litre diesel outboard anyone?

http://www.megoutboard.com/images/block_8b.jpg

http://www.megoutboard.com/

or a 9hp, 6hp and a 4hp apparently?

http://www.klaxondieseloutboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/6hp_motor.gif

http://www.klaxondieseloutboards.com/?cat=4

ouch on the price

Klaxon Diesel Outboards
With outstanding performance in safety, economical fuel consumption, strength, durability and environment protection, KLAXON four-stroke diesel outboard motors have brought the advanced technology to you and hope you enjoy.
4hp – AU$ 3500.00
6hp – AU$ 4000.00
9hp – AU$ 5250.00
http://www.basae.com.au/klaxon-diesel-outboards/

[Brian@BNE]

Great to see some of the little fellas, hopefully price will drop if sales volume takes off.

The Vision guys might have struggled? The press info is all 2007/2008, so perhaps they couldn't get backing or the extended testing turned up some problems. A large diameter/high thrust prop version might be better, although a gearcase/lower unit to handle the torque might take some building.

[Boston]

3 litre diesel outboard anyone?

http://www.megoutboard.com/images/block_8b.jpg

http://www.megoutboard.com/

or a 9hp, 6hp and a 4hp apparently?

http://www.klaxondieseloutboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/6hp_motor.gif

http://www.klaxondieseloutboards.com/?cat=4

ouch on the price

Price is just fine, actually I was expecting it to be worse

[sabahcat]

Price is just fine, actually I was expecting it to be worse

I'll take the $2000 4 stroke and the $3200 to run it thanks.

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohatsu-9-8-hp-Outboards.html

[Boston]

I can relate, I'm a cheap bastad myself but if the fuels free for the diesel then it makes up fast for the extra cost. It may not hold true for most but I make and blend my own fuel out of waste oils so for me its super cheap to run a diesel.

I've been drawing up belt drive designs for a lower end conversion, I could marry a 10hp diesel to an old lower end unit and have my neutral and reverse already in it. Just need to get my drive hooked up.

few belts and shafts later and it even still flips up.

[masalai]

A bit too small (I would like 20 to 30hp) and a 15inch propeller rotating at 1000 to 1200 rpm max...

The 3 Litre engine at highest level (300hp equivalent) at 11 gallons per hour (42 litres/hour) - more than I need or could use !!! :o and 300 hp is pushing credibility a bit!

Sabah,
A nice finds, but weight to power, size of propeller, rotational speed of propeller ?? ... Getting close...
My ideal DIESEL/Veg-oil fuelled OB is:
- alloy-block 3 or 4 cylinder/piston,
- direct-individual-injection, self-priming,
- non-electronic, (not common rail),
- electric start & tilt, (able to lift engine and leg clear of the water - as per Yanmar at 179mm or 7.05 inches below top of transom)
- 27hp at 3000rpm (even 4500rpm is acceptable),
- geared to give 1000 to 1200 rpm MAXIMUM at the 15 inch propeller,
- turbo-charging may be considered only with
- propeller hub exhaust
- Dry sump and external sump option (plenty of lubricating oil and simple to change the oil and engine mounted oil filter), and
- weighing less than 125kg dry weight (which is more than the 27hp Yanmar)...

[masalai]

http://www.megoutboard.com/owner_info.php their maths is LOUSY at their volume and price per annum fuel = $38500......... not the 35000 claimed..... for the 300hp version

Boston,
Be careful there are not many lower ends (in outboards) that can handle a big propeller diameter... Check that out first before you get too carried away with engineering mods....

The Bongaree (bribie Island) phone number, 07 5497 5500, gets a lass answering "NEUTRIMETICS", then she redirects, and nothing :o So I am not sure they are fully operational if at-all...

[masalai]

I suspect "juveniles" as the culprits (XMAS break) - - (surely adults are not so idiotic), - - - - to find the engine batteries totally flat... I needed to apply a boost and recover process as AGM's are not happy when flattened - by apparently - extended attempts to start the port engine by the screwdriver across the solenoid lug... ?????? - - I still have the prospect of a shorted/burnt out starter motor on Port engine, and need to do further checks on BOTH the start batteries...

Mick, 0407 841 334 an autoelectrician and fair deal type of bloke fixed the issue displaying competence, honesty and fair service... -

[masalai]

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My intention was to do some work on the boat today but with the wind around 25 knots I decided not to launch the "rubber duckie", load up with stuff to take out to the boat and row the the 450 odd meters and back in such wind....

Such endeavours will, of necessity, have to wait for balmier times....

[Fanie]

in such wind....
Why don't you just learn to sail Mas :D

[masalai]

No Mast, - Boat needs Au$40K or so to put one up and pay for the sails... Only man power on the rubber-duckey, and rowing is about the only strenuous exercise I get, but pulling against a 25 knot wind and sea is not my idea of fun and life is supposed to be "ALL FUN".... I am a fairly good sailing type sailor... I thought of trying to send you some of my water, but I do not want to damage the computers with my surplus flow...

[masalai]

recent images inside CNO... bugger, my viewer automatically rotates and I forgot for the last 2 images :o which are of port berth looking aft and port forward, which is the shower and then toilet...

[Doug Lord]

Looks great Mass! Lots of room....

[Boston]

yah I like the room, looks like my elbows would be safe.

Oh and ya gotta get some floor coverings on that thing. Even if they are just no skid. It will bond better if you don't have footsteps all over the floor first.. Just an idea, looks great by the way.

hey did that thing come with storm shutters for the windows ?

[masalai]

Hi Bos,
That is the finish... Epoxy, then flowcoat... - - - Literally, when I clean after a dirty day of walking through mud at low tide looking for delish crabs caught in pots or fishing and cleaning and whatever - hit the lot with a hosing down, then pump out, then the last bits with a wet vacuum cleaner and all is spotlessly clean...

I recall that attitude when Bertram were selling the GRP build against the traditional wood - "come back from a days fishing, wash down and all is done...." - - - On CNO, the bridge-deck is self draining and the downstairs hulls are easy to clean up... Having oiled teak or polished wood panels make for lots of work in maintenance of the bright-work and a good paint finish with the same colour makes life lots easier and more time to enjoy doing fun things that the boat is designed to do...

[boat fan]

I think you may have found the engines for my "floating cabin".......

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-building/66081d1326757189-my-little-piece-peace-d27-36-email.pdf

[masalai]

Hi BF,
See - - http://www.minardsdiesel.com/outboard.htm - - as I believe they have 2 reconditioned 27hp units - - I am not sure if there are any new ones available - note, the propeller is quite small and the engine revs to 4500 rpm and reduction is not half enough for displacement work on a displacement operating regime... (I have 15 x 12 I think on my 20hp saildrives can't be bothered going back in this thread to check that and reduction ratio...) :o :D

[masalai]

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR721.loop.shtml#skip an intense low is NW of Longreach and roughly heading towards the SE (Brisbane) about 1200km away at the moment... rather unusual roe a storm of that cloud/wind pattern to be so far inland though - I would expect that sort of low to be over water and gathering in intensity and when over land to rapidly deteriorate....

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/?tz=AEST&unit=p23&view=33&domain=14 here it can be seen maintaining strength and moving quite well right across Australia? (this site gets automatically updated so may not show the full event over time...

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-precip&tz=AEST&area=Au&model=CG&chartSubmit=Refresh+View a longer term animation where the forecaster does not seem to feel it will make the distance...

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/synoptic_col.shtml shows it started over sea near Darwin, (2 days ago), and wandered roughly ESE refuelling with moisture from the Gulf of Carpentaria to continue so far....
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[masalai]

Hatches to be replaced tomorrow (Monday) and I have found I need to adjust the gear & throttle linkages and all will be as it should at this point in time... :D :D :D

The Next modification is to lower the Aft P & S berths so I have comfortable sitting room therein, remove a couple of guides under the berths so I can install a pair of 500 to 600 litre fuel bladders from http://www.turtlepac.com/en/products/super-deck-tanks.html when I measure the size of the space, and get a quote... :o

[masalai]

Hatches in place - Beautiful work and fit from Robbie, (remember I react badly to epoxy), everything is shipshape now, except the propellers - barnacle attack - which must be cleaned off in a 'coupla-days' - - The rest of the hulls are spotless (when there is a good water-flow from the tide the copper / epoxy mix works beautifully - but I do not think it will be good to put on the aluminium leg or propellers... Any suggestions that will not adversely react with the copper on the hulls?

About 7 consecutive overcast days (mostly raining), but the PV panels are keeping the batteries topped up... Rowing out to the boat is not fun with a 15 knot + cross wind - but it is good upper body exercise... :D

I have been going through the myriad options in security camera systems and receiving some helpful ideas too - Thanks.... I like a local (wireless) at the moment... We will see.... Budget is very low so a bit of saving is necessary (next fortnight?)...

[masalai]

Decisions, decisions and a shortage of money :D :D :o

I recall pontificating on that topic elsewhere and feel that reliability and parts are important as is SIMPLICITY and robustness - NO turbo-chargers, NO common rail injection system, Be careful with the heat-exchanger as blocking/corrosion there is an instant boat stopper... Consider having the oil filter and fuel filter placed with EASY access for changing...

- I am contemplating a 5 to 10 litre reservoir for the engine lubricating oil, - placed directly after the circulating pump, (which normally feeds to the oil filter and returns to lubricate the upper cylinder regions), - and thence on to the oil filter, where the tank and filter are easily accessible and easily removed... with the filter AFTER the new tank, the added reservoir should increase service intervals... That way all the heavy sludge should fall to the bottom of this removable reservoir and the rest removed by the filter...

- To change the engine oil remove and empty and clean the reservoir, change the filter, refill with engine oil and DONE with minimal fuss

- My tiny 20hp (3 cyl 722cc) Nanni's have only 3 litres of engine oil - Far too little for long passage motoring so a conversion is being considered and for special tanks to be made... - I would use the same idea if I changed over to 27hp Yanmar diesel outboards - ONLY when they fit LARGE (15"+ dia.) propellers and gear ratio to give 1200 max propeller rpm...

Just my feelings ... anyone care to comment?
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[masalai]

How effective are those electronic devices ("ultrasonic" or high frequency transducers) at keeping barnacles and other undesirable growth off the undersides of boats? http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5498&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=965#11 - just mount it on the top of each sail-drive leg.....

Security camera recording something like - - - - Bloodyhell what a range of prices and options... Will sit quietly and consider.... expenses, expenses, expenses ! :o
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http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MB3606 works well (a 12V or 24V AGM battery charger does an excellent job...

[Frosty]

How effective are those electronic devices ("ultrasonic" or high frequency transducers) at keeping barnacles and other undesirable growth off the undersides of boats? .

They work well until the barnacles grow on them.

Its like Copperbot,-- works great, the best antifouling ever ,--you just have to give it a scrap and sand every month.

[masalai]

Hi Frosty,
My copper powder mixed in epoxy and roller-painted as several coats on the bottom is working very well, where there is a strong tidal flow... ABSOLUTELY NO GROWTH of ANYTHING on the hulls, but the aluminium legs and aluminium propellers are a veritable garden of barnacles....... I am very weary of copper and aluminium in contact and the epoxy paint with copper would, - I feel, - certainly not last on the propellers... I was thinking of those electronic thingies for the legs/propellers only...
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[Frosty]

Hi Frosty,
My copper powder mixed in epoxy and roller-painted as several coats on the bottom is working very well, where there is a strong tidal flow... ABSOLUTELY NO GROWTH of ANYTHING on the hulls, but the aluminium legs and aluminium propellers are a veritable garden of barnacles....... I am very weary of copper and aluminium in contact and the epoxy paint with copper would, - I feel, - certainly not last on the propellers... I was thinking of those electronic thingies for the legs/propellers only...
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When the copper that is exposed now fades away then your back with the rest of us.

[masalai]

When? - - been wet for a year now... and no sign of (what is the word?) - ablation?

[Brian@BNE]

When the copper that is exposed now fades away then your back with the rest of us.

Barnacles may not be your main problem. Aluminium is lower on the galvanic series than copper, so its the aluminium which dissolves first in the cell that's been set up. Hope you keep a close eye on your zinc anodes, at least Zn is lower than aluminium on the scale, so that's good.

Keep the paint on your saildrives in good shape, and obviously avoid antifouling them with any metal-bearing options. To me the biggest disadvantage of saildrives, if not used very regularly, is not being able to get them out of the water when not in use.

[masalai]

Hi Brian@bne,
Yes that is a big worry - I saw an aluminium leg at Monties, (I was there to change my propellers), - almost totally demolished.... After 6 months one of my legs had almost sacrificed the anode and replacement was NOT cheap... On the Nanni it sits around the hub and fares out to the propeller base... a fairly precise moulding...

[Brian@BNE]

Mas
The zinc anodes would last a lot longer if you did not have all that copper powder in your antifoul mixture. The 'battery cell' looks like this: cathode is your copper powder, electrolyte is sea water and anode is zinc (or aluminium if zinc all gone).

Basically you are trading off the cost of haul-outs for hull cleaning versus keeping enough zinc protection. Individual circumstances dictate which choice is best. Its the BOAT phenomenon - as in Break Out Another Thousand.

Now, zinc anodes are cheap in the overall context aren't they?

[masalai]

All I can say to that is, "Outboards are the go", if I can find one that comes with a 15" propeller and rotates at a max of 1200rpm and is DIESEL at about 27hp :D :D :D :o

[Landlubber]

Try Prop Speed, it is a silicon clear cover over zinc cromate bse, it will be the best prop and leg antifoul you will get, have been using it for years, works wonders.

[masalai]

Thanks Landie... and the local supplier is ??? and any idea of the application regime - ie - how does one get that up the water inlet channel ?

[masalai]

Raining again :o - but managed to get a little done in the garden... I hope that when the local tides have a low around midday? that the weather will be pleasant enough, and freedom from land based chores, to beach CNO and clean the props and legs.... The way things are, the midday low tide may need to be an any-time daylight Low-tide...

[masalai]

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/all-things-boats-and-boating/maybe-massalai-right-after-all-37788-68.html#post527443 - - - - - - Please see this post, - - CNO is for sale................. for the moment (until the "pull of the sea" proves greater and I reconsider?)

[masalai]

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/all-things-boats-and-boating/maybe-massalai-right-after-all-37788-68.html#post527443 - - - - - - Please see this post, - - CNO is for sale................. for the moment (until the "pull of the sea" proves greater and I reconsider?)

Or I feel I should make another attempt at the great adventure to PNG...

I have been doing research for the "next big adventure" and would appreciate a name and address (postal as I doubt there is an internet service there) of someone at

- Wesley High School, Salermo, Fergusson Island, Milne Bay Province, Papua-New-Guinea...
- - - - - - I have a few questions requiring some local knowledge...
- - - - - - I seek information relating to ownership and addresses of some plantations (where I can seek employment as manager)...
- - - - - - Also, I seek contacts for. . . . . .
- Wataluma Mission and Plantation, Northen side of Goodenough Island, MBP, PNG - - and
- Ulauya Mission, (to the north of Vivigani airport, E side of Goodenough Is., MBP., PNG. - -
- Bolubolu Administration Centre, (to the S of Vivigani), Goodenough Is., MBP, PNG
- Kalo Kalo, West side of Fergusson Island MBP, PNG

Here is an image of the Wesley High School at Salamo, Fergusson Island, PNG... - - - A PM with a name and postal address would be appreciated...
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[Frosty]

Why don't you go there and door knock. Your age will be a problem but not if they see a fine fit man.

You cant sit around waiting for job applications at your age, Get off your ass and stop posting links that only you read and get on a plane.

When a door slams another opens.

And if they say no ask if they need a gardener and work you way up.

People with the bottle to walk in face to face and ask for a job has got some bottle and has confidence in what he is selling.

Writing letters if for the insecure.

[masalai]

There are no regular flights to those places and only access is by boat... Once I leave Australian waters pension, small as it is STOPS... Then I can re-apply to get pension after I return to OZ...

You buy my boat for 240K and I will use that to fly to Alotau, there buy a 'banana boat with two small outboards and a 200litre drum of fuel and when I get some contacts there-abouts, organise for some more drums full of fuel to be dropped off at strategic locations - -

No other way to get about when and where one wants, as there are no regular flights and larger work-boats go about once in 3 months to pick up copra... :o The next nearest working airstrip, with regular commercial flights would be Port Moresby 355.12 km East of Gurney airstrip (near Alotau at -10.310 deg S and 150.543 deg E , for the small boat harbour...) - - - Beyond Salermo, on Fergusson Island (the middle most island in the group), is Hoskins with possibly daily flights somewhere and necessitating a flight of some 247.12 km almost due north... IF I could get a plane to pass by and drop in ???

There are some other small airstrips, but NO regular services... Maintenance of these airstrips is usually by a local mission if they have funds and are expecting a visit... (The need for Names and postal addresses :o ) As you may now understand this IS REMOTE... Once on those Islands without ones own boat - YOU WALK.... or stay and wait for another boat with fuel - but NO atm, NO bank, and if the cash-on-hand runs out :o :o :o No luck :P and even with my trusty sat-phone - NO way to deliver the cash...

Small work-boats at Alotau and some banana-boats near Samarai

[Frosty]

Then why would you want to live there?

[masalai]

- - - - - - - PEACE - - - - - - and quiet, with a fertile farming opportunity and an easy lifestyle, - - and once settled No Wukin Forries... and if anyone wanted to talk to me by phone it would cost them heaps by satellite phone service if I had residual capacity and had charged the batteries... and NO internet...no bureaucrats, no sundry visiting idiots or others to bother one... I happen to like living in remote places, almost totally dependant on my own skills, initiative and capabilities...

- Similarly would you go back and live in one of the inner London suburbs?

I also have some interesting challenges to implement http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-building/my-little-piece-peace-25962-128.html#post513420 and I need to find a place to do that for myself or someone in need of such integration as a demonstration place for the rest of Melanesia living in relative remoteness...

I am sure you would be familiar with something similar - - to - - "under the shade of a beach almond" - see attached image.... 213 views so far since 09:27 AEST this morning - some 7h20minutes ago..... CNO looks good he?
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[masalai]

Here is an oldie but goodie, a 44C ready to be joined - The guy who should have built my boat.... 98K instead of a 200k theft

[groper]

i know exactly what you mean mas... was in in west new britain province 2010... absolutely beautiful place... but one needs to be totally self sufficient, no electricity, no running water, nothing but what you create for yourself or draw from the land... eloquent simplicity and solitude in absolute paradise... i imagine retiring in a similar place, albeit may years from now... except i wouldnt sell CNO, id go there WITH CNO and retire - find a way...

[masalai]

Hi Groper,

Thanks - I know my way around ENB (Rabaul. Warrongoi, Duke-of-Yorks and the Bainings - to Lassul Bay), Bougainville and New Ireland, - Kavieng - (way down on the E coast well past Sir J's place) to what is now called Burunkum... - as well as the Waghi Valley near Mt Hagen...

The Milne Bay Province is but 450 N Miles from Cairns... but I need crew for that run... a 2.5 day passage on both engines, - or, - in economy mode on 1 engine around 5 days... thence a couple of long runs through reef strewn areas and limited recent charting... and no navigation aids like beacons etc...

I am still searching for contacts.... and if anyone out there can help, PLEASE do so...

[groper]

I know a guy who knows the milne bay region very well, he used to work up there alot as a marine engine driver / diesel fitter....

If you need crew, im keen :) i live in cairns, so does my friend... we both have the time :)

[masalai]

Hi groper,
Thanks I will certainly bear you in mind as feasibility approaches reality... Could he answer any of the points in "http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-building/my-little-piece-peace-25962-132.html#post530547" that post - I put quotes around the link so it will remain 'clear and you can send it to your friend if he can answer... Who is the PNG consul there - It used to be Eu Minimbi, but that was a long time ago ('97 ish)...
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[groper]

i shall ask him for you...

[masalai]

Hi groper,
Thanks I look forward to some news...
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[Frosty]

A Palace can still be a prison. Im sick of coconut beaches --hell im 200yds from one now as I sit on the aft deck of my cat in shorts and a coffee at my side. I have a coconut in the dinghy to cut up when I fancy one but-- man am I looking forward to the hustle and bustle of the city in 2 weeks time ---and then ill be looking forward to the boat again 6 weeks after that.

Man can not live by bread alone, he also need opticians and doctors -- maybe a Pharmacy for the odd eye drops etc.

I can be off this island in 1 hour and back at my car in Thailand.

Be carefull what you wish for, CNO was all you wanted at one time, now its for sale. This should give an indication of diversity required.

[rasorinc]

Frosty, its called your golden years................F**k the golden years. I'd rather be 45 than 70.

[Frosty]

I am closer to 45 than I am 70, ran 6 km yesterday then drank beer till it rained.

beaches are boring places I prefer high heeled painted ladies performing testicular cancer inspections for a 2 dollar drink.

There are places you can get both.

Mas,-- never ever lived in or near London

[Manie B]

F**k the golden years. I'd rather be 45 than 70.

I second that, growing old is lousy, nothing "golden" about it at all

[masalai]

......F**k the golden years. I'd rather be 45 than 70.

Hi rasonic, I am all for F***ing as often as I can till I die at a ripe old age 'with no shoes on'... but there are other things to enjoy in life - like a bit of adventure too?

CNO is a means to achieve part of a goal - well - head in that direction... When things seem to inhibit aforsaid direction, in pique I say sell it or 'F..k' something/one... In the end she will pay for the next stage - - I hope... Sometimes a good rant expressing frustration is a good way to vent the spleen and clear the air/head - to mix metaphors very badly.....
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[Mr Efficiency]

I second that, growing old is lousy, nothing "golden" about it at all

The only alternative is not overly attractive either, though decrepitude seems to take the sting out of that, from what I have observed of the elderly.

[masalai]

Is there anyone else out there who can answer some of these questions about Who is where in this particular part of PNG?

Or I feel I should make another attempt at the great adventure to PNG...

I have been doing research for the "next big adventure" and would appreciate a name and address (postal as I doubt there is an internet service there) of someone at

- Wesley High School, Salermo, Fergusson Island, Milne Bay Province, Papua-New-Guinea... . . . . (There is a plantation nearby that I would like to visit, but send a letter first - 'blind / surprise visits', are sometimes not polite...)
- - - - - - I have a few questions requiring some local knowledge...
- - - - - - I seek information relating to ownership and postal addresses of some plantations. . . . . . . . . (where I can seek employment as manager)...
- - - - - - Also, I seek contacts specifically for. . . . . .
- Wataluma Mission and Plantation, Northen side of Goodenough Island, MBP, PNG - - and
- Ulauya Mission, (to the north of Vivigani airport, E side of Goodenough Is., MBP., PNG. - -
- Bolubolu Administration Centre, (to the S of Vivigani), Goodenough Is., MBP, PNG. . . . . . . . . (There is a plantation to the south that is interesting)
- Kalo Kalo, West side of Fergusson Island MBP, PNG. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (There are a couple of plantations either side of the strait near there too)

Here is an image of the Wesley High School at Salamo, Fergusson Island, PNG... . . . . . . . . . . A PM with a name and postal address would be appreciated...
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I would really appreciate your contact, via a personal message on this forum... It only requires you to submit a user-name, a password, that is reasonably secure, and a working email address, so you can be notified of posts made to threads to which you subscribe and to be able to post messages to other individuals without revealing your identity to the whole world if that is your wish...
Thank you...
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[masalai]

I like a post on the rear wheel cover of a 4x4 -
"DO it before
dementia
does it to you"
- parked at a high-care-nursing-home-for-the-elderly....

[Frosty]

Oh dear oh dear,--- misery thread.

Mas your waisting your time, throw some clothes in a bag and go.

Boats area pain in the ass when you need to go somewhere for a month or two

[Frosty]

I second that, growing old is lousy, nothing "golden" about it at all


Then be somewhere where it does'nt matter.

[masalai]

Who is the "misery guts"? not I said the fly..... :D What is that other silly quote ? .... Ahhh yes - - "slowly slowly catchee monkey" - buggered if I know what that means, nor do I really care...

These things need a little careful planning and co-ordination... I am not a "money-bags" like someone in Pattayia who buys a production line boat and chucks his boat as deck cargo up to Singapore or somewhere that way... I must of necessity do it under the boats own power and to a fairly tight budget.... :D Have a good day all...
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[Manie B]

absolutely :)

Man can not live by bread alone, he also need opticians and doctors -- maybe a Pharmacy for the odd eye drops etc.

[Manie B]

Mas what is happening to you is horrible, I genuinely feel for you

the dream gone "sideways"
economy crap everywhere
boat market so low you cant give the stuff away

not easy for anybody
but with hindsight you have lived
lots of good memories of the past years

so the present is cr@p - it is so for most of us

I am going for a drink now - tomorrow is a brand new day and it's cool

here is a good song to cheer you up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA46ZNjrzeY
sting - brand new day

best attitude for now is
f**k everything and everybody
there is no magical "afterlife" surrounded by 77 virgins

the good news is I woke up above ground this morning

we have also got high heeled painted ladies performing testicular cancer inspections for a 2 dollar drink. here now - its kinda fun for an old fart like me to go there for a drink and see these thai / chinese / who knows what - there is even some with broad shoulders ?????

china has come to town
anybody for some rice wine 'hic' ;)

[masalai]

Ahhhh rice wine may be a novelty for some but the BRANDY made from distiling the wine can be excellent on the taste-buds or excellent at shortening a life :D

I may sound like I am winging - If so that is an OOPS, - I am trying to get others to see the light and prepare for nasty events - when the politicians, bureaucrats and banksters can no longer get away with "Kicking the can further down the road, and REALITY hits very hard and it is not another "masalai OOPS event......"

I am a survivor, a realist and usually easily adapt to new financial conditions... Sometimes I feel WTF sell the bloody boat and vegetate on a bed bored s41tless in a dementia hospice for the old... - But I do not believe that and neither should any one else...

Manie,
I fear for you and yours and fanie and Wynand in that uncivilised place moreso... Take care and keep in touch... I hope to maintain a presence on BD net so others who may be travelling this way can be sure to find me - near Brisbane or way up north nearer Goodenough Island or somewhere else?
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[Frosty]

Manie,
I fear for you and yours and fanie and Wynand in that uncivilised place moreso... Take care and keep in touch... I hope to maintain a presence on BD net so others who may be travelling this way can be sure to find me - near Brisbane or way up north nearer Goodenough Island or somewhere else?
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+ 1 on that one infact I find it hard to immagine myself putting up with it. I think Im correct in saying that I would walk, I would if necessary abandon everything for the few years left.

But thats me, im a selfish wreckless life lover.

The conclusion I must accept is that it cant be that bad.


Mas you pissing in the wind trying to prepare us for financial armegedon , we know about it, there is nothing we can do but live.

Ive done what I can and to be honest if my heart keeps pumping im happy.

Might I suggest you get on your boat and go find your coconut island and do the things you speak of.

You can jury rig a mast and a few second hand sails for 100 dollars.

But thats not the prob is it? Your re directing your frustration and or reluctance into this forum and particularly this thread as if you are needed here .

[masalai]

http://www.ted.com/talks/jenna_mccarthy_what_you_don_t_know_about_marriage.html - I am slightly "fatter" than my wife and I am not really fat... I do housework... She is more attractive (younger looking) than I... What can I say... Comfort zone is difficult to abandon...

[BPL]

Mas you pissing in the wind trying to prepare us for financial armegedon , we know about it, there is nothing we can do but live.

Ive done what I can and to be honest if my heart keeps pumping im happy.

Might I suggest you get on your boat and go find your coconut island and do the things you speak of.

You can jury rig a mast and a few second hand sails for 100 dollars.

But thats not the prob is it? Your re directing your frustration and or reluctance into this forum and particularly this thread as if you are needed here .
Yea, if you sell your boat, you can spend your days worrying about money and global markets. You can have a pile of gold and silver to worry about. To what end.
Enjoy your boat. That is living.

[Manie B]

Mas what the problem here in Saffa is that all the news that you guys get is seriously one sided - it is correct - but hyped up.

When you look at Greece, Egypt and hundreds of those other "similar" countries, we are far better off than them. Saffa is like anywhere else - the "middle class" and upper, is all ok, the "disadvantaged" suffer. The politicians are corrupt and brain dead, just like 99.9% of all countries on this planet.
We have many friends and family in Australia and New Zealand and my good buddy has the recording studio in Phuket. We Skype regularly and are resonably up to date on daily life all over. My children have friends working in Taiwan, South Korea, Shanghai and Bangkok.

The kids that "make" it in the East are better off than many others.
I think we are even better off than the Americans.

So bottom line is I cannot say with conviction that I could live better elsewhere. In Afrikaans we have a saying "selfde drol - ander donkie se hol" loosely translated it means "same turd - different donkeys arse" and that is what we have seen with Saffa's in the OZ workplace, last in first out, foreigners first out.

Its like Frosty said, you need the pharmacy / drug store down the road. Just here local knowledge is important, like 99% of all countries worldwide.
After 2008 I realised that you cant look into the future.

[WestVanHan]

- Wesley High School, Salermo, Fergusson Island, Milne Bay Province, Papua-New-Guinea...
- - - - - - I have a few questions requiring some local knowledge...
- - - - - - I seek information relating to ownership and addresses of some plantations (where I can seek employment as manager)...
- - - - - - Also, I seek contacts for. . . . . .
- Wataluma Mission and Plantation, Northen side of Goodenough Island, MBP, PNG - - and
- Ulauya Mission, (to the north of Vivigani airport, E side of Goodenough Is., MBP., PNG. - -
- Bolubolu Administration Centre, (to the S of Vivigani), Goodenough Is., MBP, PNG
- Kalo Kalo, West side of Fergusson Island MBP, PNG

Here is an image of the Wesley High School at Salamo, Fergusson Island, PNG... - - - A PM with a name and postal address would be appreciated...
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I've been very busy the last week....

Why are you seeking addies of remote places on a passed over thread of a back section of a boat design forum??

Within 3 seconds I found the phone # for that Wesley school, and figured out the admin of many of these places.

Have you tried all this ?:confused:

[Frosty]

Its called procrastination.