My little piece of peace

[RHP]

Small change for Mas.......

[masalai]

If reputed wealth I may be richer than I am and poorer than I seem, but the FED still pisses me off because of their persistent pissing on the markets in a fraudulent and immoral manner... I am temped to visit the pissing thread, but no need or point yet...

Alan, I think my kit was less than that... but that seems to tally if no bargain hunting was successful, :D, careful shopping can reduce the end figure significantly...
These were taken a couple of days ago some widget for something - sort of like a fishes tail:D:D:D:D :o

[boat fan]

a few other top secret options are being worked up by Bob Oram...




I may have to come over and take some SPY PHOTOS Mas....:P


Looking good mate....:D

Pissing thread " messy " already......

Are those carbon rudder tubes ?

[masalai]

Yes, The top secret stuff may be after xmas??? as Bob has to finish another design... (would suit Frosty - ?)

Feel free to copy his 'pissing' posts from elsewhere and deposit there - - where they should be...

[masalai]

See this thread/link http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/mas-can-dish-out-but-he-cant-take-30516.html Post #7 and let your view count.

OK put up and shut up time... Vote on me... A single post per person, with either "IN for masalai will STAY" and "OUT for masalai to GO" and that means no more boat build progress, no more economics... Fanie, would you be so kind as to be "official tally", Rules - one of the two quotes to be used, one vote per person...

"IN for masalai will STAY"

"OUT for masalai to GO"

A copy of this post with a link will be placed in 2 threads by masalai... Copy where else in this forum wherever you like... New members will not be recognised (members with a join date of or after this date - - Saturday 12 December 2009)

[hoytedow]

Mas should stay, though I don't always(only maybe 40%) agree with him, because even though the endless postings become tedious, he is at heart a decent fellow with a common interest in all things boat, which may save him from obsession with all things gold.

[Manie B]

Nothing wrong with Mas - he's ok
we all go al little overboard from time to tiime
if you dont like it dont read it
if you dont like it why reply?
like most things - if you look for a scrap you will probably get it

anyway back to boats birds and beer:D

[masalai]

Boats, beer, birds, ******** and bugger all else - - - the 5 important B's of life :B :B :B :B :B - - :o

Here is another 5 on boats:

[RHP]

You´ve cut those campionways too small Mas, are you vertically challenged? :D

[judy]

You´ve cut those campionways too small Mas, are you vertically challenged? :D

Haven't you seen this earlier picture of Mas....... and he's a lot younger than you'd think too.

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-building/34116d1250490657t-my-little-piece-peace-dscn2365.jpg (http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-building/34116d1250490657-my-little-piece-peace-dscn2365.jpg)

[RHP]

Why does it say on the yellow sticker 'Please remove sticker from panel before use?' !!

[masalai]

RHP,
Correct it is the peelply marker - I believe some fool left the peelply in place and just painted... so with the amine blush (wax) and dirt of the build, the paint would not stick and the seal was not waterproof :o :o :o
Judy,
:D I am a 'timelord' (not "Doctor Who" - a character based on me, but 'a masalai' or spirit being), and regularly regenerate, 20 seconds later I was "fullgrown mature" amazing isn't it :D:D:D - - - Little grandson then three-and-a-half - - -

[masalai]

Standing on the stbd bow

[masalai]

That is probably it, as for photographs, until after the Xmas break when work will commence on the bridgedeck-coachhouse.... The team are busy sanding, bogging, sanding, bogging, sanding, undercoating etc etc...

With the work on the coach-house and weight estimates, final positioning for heavy items will be considered, placement of winches, some smaller hatches and safety rails and.... and.... and.... the list is listed...

Have a peaceful and pleasant time with your families and friends, all the best - - masalai...

[masalai]

Happy Christmas (Celebrate the birth of Christ) and a Prosperous New Year - go gold:D:D:D

On change of resin drums an Oops (possibly cross contamination of batches is not good as first mix refused to harden:o so everything had to be ripped and cut out - What a "painful task"... Other shots are just what has been done - in part....

[masalai]

Drilling holes to test the batch before and after - both OK

[masalai]

Finishing the trim and strengthening of the "duckboard" and stern sections...

[Frosty]

Your making it look easy Mas, Im sure it is'nt.

Im off to Malaysia where Christmas is less----- humbug.

Christmas does not start till 25th we are now in 'lent'

I hate it, and yes I am a grumpy ole fart, which is one of the more endearing sides to my personality,--apparently.

[masalai]

Depends on what you call "easy"? - opening my wallet and forever pulling out big wads of money to pay for things....

[Frosty]

That bit may be easy but how did the big wads of money get in your wallet in the first place. Ille bet that was'nt easy as many people go into Christmas with little to eat.

You mean your workers are on Christmas break already?

How many days after?

Refer to my opinion of Australia taxes thread.

[masalai]

Did I say "it was easy"? - I said, It depends on what you call easy..... Robbing a bank may seem easy, but staying out of jail is not... Therefore I am NOT inclined to rob any banks:D:D:D

[Fanie]

On change of resin drums an Oops (possibly cross contamination of batches is not good as first mix refused to harden so everything had to be ripped and cut out
Imagine a whole hull with this problem. The model I made of my boat had the same issue, wouldn't harden, what's made me think I don't like epoxy.

[masalai]

Hi Fanie, it was not the whole drum but the mixing to make a small batch with a bit from one 20l drum with a little from the new drum so basically 400ml - about 2m of fillet...

[Fanie]

Hey Mas,

That picture dscn3031 with the long view over the boat...
looks great eh :cool:
One begins to get the feel for it already.
It is one of buildings nicer feelings and that's when one
realize, blooming blazes... it's going to be a boat !



Looks different though once you're out there
if the waves begin to push up some...

Imagine the shack is a little wave and it's coming at you :D

[Fanie]

Nothing is ever a complete loss. Your epoxy that wouldn't harden got transformed into an artwork. I call it Rough Sea.

I know the frame doesn't fit perfectly, but it's one I stole (for free) from Mark.
Also. someone has gone and put his big foot in it :rolleyes:

At least it's framed ;)

[masalai]

Very nice Fanie... I am impressed - - - - but it seems Jeff isn't - :o - - "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Fanie again." - - - - Bugger:D:D:o

[hoytedow]

I am also impressed. Fanie you have an artistic eye.

[masalai]

Big tidy-up, boat almost ready for final external paint, coach-house starts new year, and deck fittings & deck hardware & mast etc, and plumbing, wiring and painting internal (my tasks :D :o) - - Midyear launch? maybe....

[Frosty]

Mid year launch???? hang on a minute what did I say about 2 weeks back?

[masalai]

Lunch - Bugger these typo's - - - - I am not God? - - - Sheesh, Next sainthood? Just going by your corrections...

[Fanie]

Geeez Frosty, I cannot remember what happened yesterday, you talk about two weeeeks back ? Were we on ther forum then already. It sounds so long ago...

Mas, that round red thing is either a huge friggin hydraulic jack - or a vacuum cleaner :D

[masalai]

That is the secret power plant - - uses a cold fusion process... Gives off hot air and electricity :o Its energy source appears to be dust... which it voraciously sucks up...

I knew a bloke called "Hydraulic Jack" - his profession seemed to be at lifting stuff, like log-skidders, D8 or larger bulldozers and the likes - - he would make them vanish without a trace, never to be found again...

[Boston]

thing is looking sharp there Mass
way to go
I cant wait to see what you do with the top sides
B

[masalai]

I will just have to wait and see how the drawings look next week... when work re-commences:D:D:D.....

[Richard Atkin]

Just been browsing through this thread. I think RHP should win an award for best avatar. His photo is a great power shot.

I was expecting to see photos of Mas wearing sunglasses, sailing his cat in a brisk sea breeze. Man.....still so much work to do. I hope the builders aren't getting too bored.

Very interesting thread, Mas

[masalai]

I was hopeful of a 12 month completion but as one finds out, the best laid plans of mice and men...... Maybe around midyear? It will be my new permanent place of residence...

I am very pleased with the result, and expect comfortable performance from about 70 M2 of sail on about 4 to 5 tonnes of cruise ready boat... she will be set up for downwind mostly, I am not into banging my head into a wall and so, if the wind is wrong, may as well go with the flow... or sort of sideways on to it... or just wait and enjoy where I am at...

[troy2000]

Just been browsing through this thread. I think RHP should win an award for best avatar. His photo is a great power shot.

I was expecting to see photos of Mas wearing sunglasses, sailing his cat in a brisk sea breeze. Man.....still so much work to do. I hope the builders aren't getting too bored.

Very interesting thread, Mas

+1. Multi-hulls and fiberglass and resins and goop and etc. aren't really my cup of tea. But I've read through the entire thread anyway, and enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the launch photos. Maybe even a u-tube video?

[masalai]

If you can get the Australian Multihill World edition #100 has just been released with several articles on electric power including "Schools Out", built in the same shed where I am building...
Editorial & advertising to Paul Lynch, 10 Rina Court, Varsity Lakes, Queensland 3227 - - - e: info@multihull.com.au - - - p: (intl+) 617 5593 8187 AEST business hours - - - f: (intl+) 617 5593 8973 the website is www.multihull.com.au there is not an on-line edition... distributed in Australia be Gordon & Gotch...

I will possibly make the boat available as a feature build there... and hopefully ATL will do some professional video recording... It will be quite innovative, as NO MAINSAIL...

[BertKu]

when work re-commences:D:D:D.....

Hi Mas,
Did you had a chance to chat to your pals with the solar panels for housing projects?. Theoritical you could make from your 8 x 200 watt solar panels = 1600 watt with mirrors to some = 3 kiliwatt with reflection. But when it will realy help is when the sun is low and you still want to get some energy drawn from your panels.

I wrote to a manufacturer, but needles to say that I did not get a reply. I have proven that it works. Look at the angle I position the reflector versus that little solarpanel. That little panel is only rated 17 mA, I got 42 mA out of it.

Your most important answer from your solar panel friends must be, to ask them to show you a broken panel and see how thick the internal wiring is. At 10 Ampere/mm2 you will be able to judge whether you are willing to push the current up to 8 Ampere = 3 Kw for your panels.

Bert

[masalai]

Bert, thanks for the thoughts and ideas but KISS is the objective and messing around aligning mirrors and the boat for optimum sun exposure is counter-productive...

Sanding and yet more sanding - The aluminium tressle represents the clearance for headroom on the bridgedeck :o :o and the "dust-lines" indicate approximately where the coach-house will fit... It would be fun if the vacuum cleaner could also deliver a good blow job - there would be sanding dust everywhere:!: :o

[Fanie]

They say nothing sucks like a blond electrolux, but like you say probably too dusty...

I see you shuffeled some of the things around a bit :D Making lip sounds already or is there stil too much work :rolleyes:

[masalai]

Just making sure that there is sufficient headroom in the "saloon"... and mentally visualising, - - as mistakes at this stage could be very expensive:D:o

[BertKu]

Bert, thanks for the thoughts and ideas but KISS is the objective and messing around aligning mirrors and the boat for optimum sun exposure is counter-productive...



Hi Masalai,
In your case, you probably are right. you have too many panels to worry about.
But one day in the future, after your boat is finished and you are enjoying life on the sea, you may sit down and consider about what I have said about reflectors and maybe even figure a way to increase your energy input from the panels. But you are correct, worry first to get the boat onto the water.

I hope to get my plans next week. New Zealand Postal service was shut down last week because of the festive season

[Manie B]

Looking good:D
cant wait for the "dream team" to get back at it, as i am sure that Mas is as well
i just came back from spending a week at sea in a Beneteau 35 which was frikken great
i unfortunately am as misserable as sin, i hate the city and want to go to sea
time to set the wheels in motion
gotta get outa this frikken hell hole
Johannesburg seriously sucks - especially for an old fart like me:mad:

[Fanie]

Johannesburg seriously sucks
Is that what you go there for Manie :D

Why don't you put some pics up somewhere eh ???

[masalai]

Some images... Final undercoat on hull, waiting completion of the coach-house and internal work before the final fine sanding and brilliant finish of dazzling white "white lightning"?, next is the positioning for 6 x 25 litre tanks this to Port and similar to Stbd, mould for the rudders, mould for the hatchway and one hatch hole being prepared, and aft stbd view with some bog waiting to be sanded down...

[Frosty]

Marinas are getting full of cats as thier popularity increases. Cost of berthing and hauling has all gone up round here as they take up 2 berths for 50% more.

I have yet to see a marina that is designed for cats and thier extra beam.

Cats are getting real popular

[masalai]

I agree with you Frosty, canal front homes, to park the cats, are gaining in popularity... As a cruising live-aboard, cats (power of sail), cannot be matched... - - - In a cyclone, the shallow draught allows the owner to sneak a cat up a mangrove creek, tie off to several mangroves and weather the storm... On sunny days, sneak inside the fringing reef, nose up to the beach and enjoy the good life... Inhibits collectors as, although there is lots of space and room on-board, weight is not something with which to burden a cat...

I aim to live aboard, away from marinas, except where convenient for refuelling... A cat makes good sense in Melanesian and many Pacific Island regions, where many anchorages lie inside shallows sheltered by fringing coral reefs, and still enjoy the deeper harbours with all the keel boats in the shallower parts with less distance to row to the shore...

[Frosty]

Yep you can get away with a tiny dinghy also, I have a cute little fat one --as the missus calls it, errr the dinghy I mean and I tincy wincy 2.5 merc.

Its all I need when I have all but 40 feet to go ashore.

But the lies the dilema ,near to shore = mosquitos, rats,swimming drunks etc etc

[masalai]

Visit the adjacent yacht and offer a large hand of bananas tied to a long length of twine suggesting that hanging overnight - just caresing the seawater - will encourage ripening for eating the next day - the rats will go there...

Swimming drunks, You will need a good earth in the water and to electrify the ss handrails, which, when they are grabbed to lift them-selves aboard will impart an undeniable message of "GO AWAY", the fuses will eventually trip, allowing them to slip quietly back into the water... or just "shoot the bastards".... see post 3033 in the "Global economic si....." thread

Mosquitoes etc - fit 'fly-screens' and run the air-conditioner/s at 24 degrees Celsius - this will also de-humidify the tropical air and reduce the impact of mildew on your clothes (hanging up on coat-hangers)... The genset will be running anyway... Which will annoy the f^#k out of anyone thinking of anchoring close by and cramping your style :D ;) :o

[Frosty]

[QUOTE=masalai
Mosquitoes etc - fit 'fly-screens' and run the air-conditioner/s at 24 degrees Celsius - this will also de-humidify the tropical air and reduce the impact of mildew on your clothes (hanging up on coat-hangers)... The genset will be running anyway...[/QUOTE]

You sure you wanna be a yachty mass?

[masalai]

I thought you had a BIG stinkboat with gensets and aircon and all sorts of stuff like that...

I gotta worry about weight so less stuff and less fuel is better... on a sailboat of about 4.5 to 5 tonnes...? Probably a bit overloaded now... but I will have fly-screens (mosquito nets covering air vents etc)...

[Frosty]

[QUOTE=masalai;333502]I thought you had a BIG stinkboat with gensets and aircon and all sorts of stuff like that...

Not a big one ,but the rest is correct. Mas you dont go anchor in some remote mangrove swamp then close windows and put the gen on an AC and watch James bond movies --- well not all the time.

You gotta breath the cold damp night air and listen to lizards sliding and crunching through the mangrove roots, with monkey barking. Fire flies dancing in the rocks with the buzzing of insects and mosquuitos biting your arse.

Watching the moon rise in the refection on the flat calm water and see the carpet of stars, all while supping a cold Skol.

Its the pits ille tell yer.

[Manie B]

Mas i dont know what conditions are like there by you
but here in Durban harbour the mosquitoes are so flippen BIG and NOISY that they drive you nuts
i have tried MANY different sprays - lotions - creams and a variety of "snake oils" and other ********
when these mossies bite you, it feels like a bee sting

the BEST SLEEP i have ever had in the harbour was with fly-screens fitted on all hatches, and all hatches open, and a small 300 dia desk top FAN operating off 220v from a small invertor

cheap - easy - 100% effective
you can keep all the other **** - and that includes aircon

anyway good to see you back at it, it will be nice to have the dream team back on the job :D
i am getting over my depression of being back in the city and back at work
so hopefully i too will get back to working on the boat :D

[BertKu]

[QUOTE=masalai;333502]
You gotta breath the cold damp night air and listen to lizards sliding and crunching through the mangrove roots, with monkey barking. Fire flies dancing in the rocks with the buzzing of insects and mosquuitos biting your arse.

Watching the moon rise in the refection on the flat calm water and see the carpet of stars, all while supping a cold Skol.

Its the pits ille tell yer.

Your guys are making me jellious, but with respect to the mosquito's, I would try to modify the "RAID" mosquito 220 V AC wall unit. All what it is, is a small bottle with a heating element, which vaporises the mosquito repeller. Maybe one can get one for 12 Volt DC, or modify it to 12 Volt DC.

Bert

[Fanie]

Eh Bert, ek hoor julle ouens daar by die klein brak rivier seil dat die stof so staan... :D

For those illiterates that doesn't understand Afrikaans :D, Bert is from a place near George in the
Cape province where they drank up all the water instead of beer and didn't piss any back in the water
resources. Now they have nothing to sail in... Even the sea water is dusty.

If Bert was black he would have blamed the whites for the drought.

The Gauteng mosquitoes are the worst. They are so small you can't see them to hit with a baseball
batt - or anything in between :rolleyes: but are super poisenous because of the polution. If two sting
you in the same night you may sustain a light degree of frost bite...

If you sleep without your Raid here you go snore ouch...snore ouch...snore ouch...snore ouch.

Manie doesn't have mossies bothering him, he lives in a security area, he gets protection, included in his real estate.





Who ever wrote all that ****...

[hoytedow]

We have little mosquitos here which we call "no see 'ums" They try to get their meal before the big ones try to drag you back into the swamp.

[BertKu]

Eh Bert, ek hoor julle ouens daar by die klein brak rivier seil dat die stof so staan... :D Nie alleen die stof nie, ook die brak water

If Bert was black he would have blamed the whites for the drought.

...

I have bad news for you, I blame the whites.:)

Bert

[hoytedow]

I have bad news for you, I blame the whites.:)

BertSo nie almal anders.

[BertKu]

So nie almal anders.
I am not going into a political discussion. Lets go back to the progress of Masalai's project.

[hoytedow]

Quite right. How progresses the superstructure, Mas?

[masalai]

Jeees, don't tell everyone all the bad things about cruising life... we are supposedly encouraging people to build boats and enjoy being out and about on a boat...

Do not pick a spot close to a lee shore on a quiet night as you will be visited... Hide amongst mangroves during a severe storm is good, parking overnight in a dank deep and dead air harbour is necessary to feed the starving mosquitoes, and it is only the females who need to suck blood...

Frosty, is Skol some form of suntan cream for night use? I prefer to drink Bundaberg rum, XXXX beer, Australian wines (both cheep and hi-quality) for my alcoholic refreshments...

The mosquitoes in Australia can be brought down with several shotgun blasts (if you know how to lead as they fly just subsonic - we have no vampires as the mosquitoes have sucked them dry - - The gun laws are tough here so usually mosquitoes are hunted the Aboriginal way with hardwood spears with silver tips (the vampire element in the blood) and that is why helicopters are not allowed to fly at night - too many fatal collisions with loaded mosquitoes...

[hoytedow]

:D Florida skeeters prefer soft pink Canadians as USAnians have been bled dry by Obummer. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[masalai]

hoytedow,
I am old and expect my manly chest to sag into a "pot belly" - - Oh the other super structure (my boat) - - - images posted last night, have a look for yourself - - still into the sanding and fairing routine... Revised coach-house plans should arrive soon... I am led to believe, sort of after the style of the 'Lagoon 40' with vertical windows, and the mast set further aft... You all will just have to wait and see, as do I, for when the plans arrive and the exterior of the hulls are ready for the coach-house to be assembled....

[masalai]

Manie, did you try the "********" it actually works - - collect the dry patties and burn to create smoke (no flames) in a brazier (not the tit holder the fire holder) and to improve performance feed sandalwood or camphor-laurel-tree sawdust with the grain supplement for the bulls, then the aroma is quite pleasant...

[Fanie]

I have bad news for you, I blame the whites.
Yes, but in a different context.

My bro in law also lives next to the brak of the river, you have very little crime there - but wait, it's coming your way ;)

I hear you guys now suck water out of the sand there. A trick you coppied from the Kalahari Bushman I believe.


Fire is all wrong. Yellow light repels insects, so they don't fly into the fire. Just switch that nice white light of your's on and they swarm right to the only food bowl on the table, or any of the glasses that's not empty yet :D

I am old and expect my manly chest to sag into a "pot belly"
Sounds to me you just got comfy... Couple of gales out and you will be back into shape and as thin as a fiddle.

Do not pick a spot close to a lee shore on a quiet night as you will be visited...
That's why you have to install the broadband radar Mas. When they reach like 30 to 50 meters, you softly start the electric trolling motor up and just keep that distance. Once out in the ocean you make a couple of turns around them to confuse their direction and head back to the anchor, via a false route. If they make it back you run them over.

[Frosty]

On land they burn coconut husk, cant do that on the boat ,--but suppose could lite the barbie on the boat. You know thats not a bad idea, yeah I could do that --hey thanks for that idea,-- ille try that.

[masalai]

I am not just a good looking gentleman:o - - but also caring and try to be helpful:D;)

[Frosty]

You certainly are Mas that was a great idea. If there is no Mosies then the missus cant accuse me of attracting them to the bedroom.

Now where can I get a barbie?

[masalai]

a 20 litre drum cut in half, add a few bars to stiffen it up and work out a system to hang it off the rails so all the ash falls in the water... get some cowshit, mix some aromatic sawdust shape the slush into briquette size, allow to dry... then ignite in your "hob" keep a bit of hemp handy to stifle the flames and sweeten the smoke smell...

[Frosty]

a 20 litre drum cut in half, add a few bars to stiffen it up and work out a system to hang it off the rails so all the ash falls in the water... get some cowshit, mix some aromatic sawdust shape the slush into briquette size, allow to dry... then ignite in your "hob" keep a bit of hemp handy to stifle the flames and sweeten the smoke smell...


Don't you mean stainless steel basting dish with some straps that go on the hand rail. 1 inch by 2mm steel strap on the top rail and one for support on the bottom made one for the last boat, it was also fish gutting table.

Power boats don't have hand rails, but I like your idea of a hanging basket from a fishing rod. I could do that.

[masalai]

hehehe just do not use nylon line - better ss trace - long ones...

[BertKu]

Yes, but in a different context.

My bro in law also lives next to the brak of the river, you have very little crime there - but wait, it's coming your way ;)

I hear you guys now suck water out of the sand there. A trick you coppied from the Kalahari Bushman I believe.




Is he also living in Powertown next to the brak river? (Just Joking).

Yes, sofar it has been very peacefull here. No we don't suck water out of sand, I have put 2 x 1600 liter waterdrums up to collect rain at the back of my house. I have now 2000 liter collected, good enough for drinking water.

Mass, you are right, it does work to keep the Mossie's away from your delicious barbie. When I was living on our farm in East London, we also burned that stuff to keep the flies and mossies away from our horses. This because of the African Horse Sickness.
Bert

[Frosty]

There is no mozzies in London --they are midges. never seen so may in all my life on the Thames in Windsor one summer evening.

[Fanie]

Is he also living in Powertown next to the brak river? (Just Joking).
I dunno, they live in the golf course, some dolpin something. Amazingly they don't fish and they don't sail, doesn't even own a boat. Get sea sick just thinking about a boat.

Frosty, was that before or after your auntie Elizabeth the seventh-and-thirteen-seventeeths disowned you ?
That must have been one hell of a long summer night if it was all your life :rolleyes: I hear the midgets are too short to kiss the girl during inter course, so they just shake their hands... The one chick who was involved with a midget said the best contraceptive is to check his eyes. When they glaze over or roll back she kicks the bucket from under him.


Eh Mas. when are you guys starting up again ? Someone else I know in the AU says they are still on leave... seems you guys take this Christmas thing a bit far, don't you think ? Look at me lips. Christmas is one day... not one month...

[Frosty]

Fannie --midges --midges --with an- S not a midget with a -T

Midge as in flying insect, It would be socially incorrect to call a midget a flying insect although some might be.

[masalai]

Yessss your royal thainess

[Frosty]

Hey Mas I just noticed --your rep points is the same as the price of gold. Is someone trying to tell you something.

[masalai]

In which currency? - maybe Goldman read the global economics thread for their positioning? quick give me 800 more points and tell Goldman Sucks in AU$ will be nice...

[Boston]

ok hate to break up the levity with a moment of thoughtful consideration but having lived out on the cape for a number of summers I can honestly say its the sand flees and the green flies that will eat you alive, This is one of the key considerations that keeps steering me back to the commuter yacht type design. Basically you can hang mosquito nets on it real easily which makes the open bits a lot more habitable in the shallows or anchored by a salt marsh. The old style sail boats like the Island princes would be a lot more effort for a lot less room under the nets.

it would be nice to go say check out some shallow rivers without being eaten alive at the tiller

and now
we return you to your regularly scheduled programing

[Frosty]

I dont know what they are but there is some tiny little barstwerds that are so small you cant see them. Ive used deisel in desperation successfully.

Unfortunately if you are taken short and you need to go-- they go straight for the sweet white meet of your backside,-- itches for 2 days.

[Boston]

I got bit by some of those noseeums down in Mexico a while back, itched for weeks and left a scar. Not sure what they were but dam those things were vicious, always seemed to get you in your sleep to

[masalai]

and That, dear Boston, is one, or two, and even three reasons, why I chose a sailing cat:D:D:o

[Frosty]

and That, dear Boston, is one, or two, and even three reasons, why I chose a sailing cat:D:D:o

Well you got me there,--dont they bite yachties with cats then?

[BertKu]

Well you got me there,--dont they bite yachties with cats then?

No, Mass can then at Midnight in the harbour of Melbourne at 37 degrees Celcius relax and lie under the midship of his cat in the water without worries.
It must have been bloody hell in your part of the world, Mass.

[Boston]

so you wrap yourself in a mosquito net and throw yourself under the boat ?
good plan

Im thinking a net hanging off the flat top canopy is the easiest thing Ive yet to see concerning this particular issue however I dont think I can afford a commuter style yacht unless my finances pick up a lot. So that leaves me with hanging netting on a smaller sail design and that is a pain in the ass

hmmmmmm
eventually the solution will be self evident
just have to wait till it falls off the top shelf and brains me

B

[Fanie]

Fannie --midges --midges --with an- S not a midget with a -T
That's not how it sounded :D

In which currency?
In zim $ you can have lots and lots and lots of useless points :D

Boston it is rude to disturb someone who is deep in thought ;)
We try to consentrate here :rolleyes:

[Boston]

obviously
what was I thinking

[Frosty]

It can be very mugy in the tropics, mangrove swamps can be absolute hell. Wrapping in Mozzy net make air flow even less, sweat running down you body is impossible to sleep with.

If the mozzies got real bad and you were a minimalist then you could tie a rope around your neck and rub diesel all over your head. Tie the other end of the rope to the back of the boat and sleep in the sea. The rope will stop you drifing too fat away from the boat. When you awake in the morning fully refreshed and no toes missing you can pull your self back to the boat.

Or you can start the gen and put on th AC to 24 degrees and cuddle up the the missus like a sensible person.

[masalai]

All this good and helpful advice, I am overwhelmed:D and most graciously thank you all, even those who did not post, as I know you mean well:D:D:D
Next to post dozens of news alerts and links to matters economic in the other thread:o Thence to unwind with some humour - - I remain, thanks to the care and concern of you all, most appreciative:D

[hoytedow]

ok hate to break up the levity with a moment of thoughtful consideration but having lived out on the cape for a number of summers I can honestly say its the sand flees and the green flies that will eat you alive, This is one of the key considerations that keeps steering me back to the commuter yacht type design. Basically you can hang mosquito nets on it real easily which makes the open bits a lot more habitable in the shallows or anchored by a salt marsh. The old style sail boats like the Island princes would be a lot more effort for a lot less room under the nets.

it would be nice to go say check out some shallow rivers without being eaten alive at the tiller

and now
we return you to your regularly scheduled programingOn the beach in Florida the deer flies try to take a crack at you. They seem to love the elbow region just lateral to the epicondyle. You don't know they are there until they have had a taste. Then it hurts worse than a skeeter bite.

[hoytedow]

Let us now think of the remaining poor souls in Haiti who now have no mosquito nets or any vertical walls from which to hang one.

[masalai]

and within 400 yards of the airport precinct, Haitian's sit in hope and wait, wondering who, what, where, when, and how??????? whilst the dead are piled up and the stench is overwhelming... and all the "aid-workers" look quite glamorous in their coloured garb running around (In circles?) for the TV cameras...

[hoytedow]

and within 400 yards of the airport precinct, sit in hope and wait, wondering who, what, where, when, and how??????? whilst the dead are piled up and the stench is overwhelming... and all the "aid0workers" look quite glamorous in their coloured garb running around (In circles?) for the TV cameras...As you say in OZ, too right.

[Frosty]

Let us now think of the remaining poor souls in Haiti who now have no mosquito nets or any vertical walls from which to hang one.

But ,--but--Im still busy thinking about the whales and gold prices, and inflation and --and --oh.

[Boston]

you forgot the lions and tigers and beer? bear?
cold mug of brew is what I meant to say

[masalai]

Then may these thoughts be expressed on the appropriate thread? this is supposed to be about the build of "My little piece of peace"... :?: :o :d which is progressing very slowly... as there is still lots of fiddly bits to go...

[Frosty]

Whats funny about that vulgar person?

[masalai]

Nothing funny at all, but I am really pissed off, and "Not Happy" illustrates adequately, the depth of my displeasure at the moment... I am sure I will get over it and modify what can be modified to reflect my needs... anyway, that which offends is now deleted...

[Frosty]

Told yer,---it gets slower and slower.

[Boston]

I must have missed something
I thought we were talking about green bottle flies and mass's build being bullet proof
or beer proof
or something like that

did something get erased

B

[troy2000]

and within 400 yards of the airport precinct, Haitian's sit in hope and wait, wondering who, what, where, when, and how??????? whilst the dead are piled up and the stench is overwhelming... and all the "aid-workers" look quite glamorous in their coloured garb running around (In circles?) for the TV cameras...

Don't want to sidetrack the thread too much, but I think you're being more than a little unfair to the aid workers. There's a distinct possibility they're doing some good, you know.

Would you be happier if they wore sackcloth, sprinkled ashes on their heads and scourged themselves before they went to work? Or would you rather they just all go home again?

[Frosty]

Yeah well they are still waiting ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ It wil be ok America has taken over the airport!!!!!.

360 million donated so far ZZZZZZZZZZ I wish I owned the Mercedes dealers, that will do well in the next few months.

Sorry mas ille shift this to somewhere else if you want.

Later im going to bed --Yawn-- night night.

[masalai]

I was only relaying what was shown on FTA TV here... Haiti is still waiting according to this mornings news??? and one cheeky Journo suggested and showed footage suggesting New Orleans is still waiting? as he came via there... :o

Seems the idea of helicopter ben had some merit, drop water and food parcels and avoid the "criminally hungry" on the ground... Oh well some food is getting to some of the needy further afield in Haiti...

[masalai]

Lots of images for the "before" - - - - as soon, the coach-house will arise phoenix like...

[masalai]

Some more

[masalai]

and a few more

[Boston]

you gotta work on getting a few showgirls into those photo's Mass
a little flourish here and there would give em just the right amount of presentation
does look nice though
cheers
B

[masalai]

When the boat is fully finished and ATL and others wish to decorate it with eye-candy for the press and their promotional reasons that is their business, As long as I feel the boat will do the job I expect and desire that is all I require... The hulls and structure so far is eminently satisfactory... I am sure the rest will be equally pleasing...

I am sure many will see where their thoughts may have had influence on the final product and I hope it will be visually pleasing to all, as technology will be simple, plain and quite unique and advanced where simplicity and reliability can be delivered...

[judy]

You sound more mellow today. Hopefully that means you have come to terms with whatever was frustrating you on the weekend.

Thanks for the image update. Especially interesting to me were the ones showing the sheer panel from the transom walkthrough down to the bottom step. I'd give you reputation points if the system would behave for me.

Really looking forward to seeing the coach house construction. Is this new entry on Bob's website (http://boboramdesign.wordpress.com/39-c-ms/) a sneak preview?

[masalai]

Hi Judy - YES - - quite a surprise and I am really curious to see the engineering as I understand the mast will be stepped on the roof and leave the space on the bridgedeck mostly uncluttered...

A possibility to ponder and dream on - - The wheel may be a little joystick somewhere on the autopilot? but that may be pushing things a bit as what would I use for the manual over-ride?

[judy]

Once I got over the initial surprise (and shock) of the mast location, I now like it. But I've always loved "Salters" profile, and think it will look great and feel great (ie. cool and shady) on the 39C too. Although we plan to have front verticals, we are leaning towards something similar to the Dix DH550 (http://dixdesign.com/dh550%20build.htm), as we feel it suits a forward cockpit design better. But of course, the longer we take to get to that stage, the more likely it is to change.

http://dixdesign.com/DH550%20build70.jpg

[Manie B]

Very very exciting
sure looking good :D
and Mas with a bit of luck i may be able to pop in and buy you a beer next year, who knows;)

[masalai]

Oops, seems yesterdays post did not get posted???
To Manie, and all, - It could be interesting to pontoon up and enjoy a few 'sundowners' - - I am hoping to go on the "Louisiades rally" around November 2010 to wander around the remote island region of SE PNG and then with the possibility/prospect of heading for Solomon Islands...

[BertKu]

I am hoping to go on the "Louisiades rally" around November 2010 to wander around the remote island region of SE PNG and then with the possibility/prospect of heading for Solomon Islands...

Leave it over to Uncle Bill, he has the solution for you. Sit back and have your sundowner, no more worries about mossies, just install a few of them.

[masalai]

BertKu,
Bloody beauty maaate, but not necessary, I am bionic and my bloodstream flows with enhanced normal saline that carries O2 without the need for Fe, is far more efficient and allows a larger volume of nanobots to defend added systems...

[Zed]

I have a pneumatic hole saw and hooker gear for boats like that.

[masalai]

Don't be such a misery-guts, - Come and build one and know the future of recreational boating... and get to know a good beer that even illiterates can spell - and write - even when they are paralytic-ally drunk... XXXX, guaranteed........

[Zed]

I gunna buy one cheap when all the baby boomers go belly up and drop their toys. I'm a true recycler.... LOL!

[masalai]

http://www.yachthub.com.au/ has a cast of thousands in the <boats for sale>, <used boats> with lots of subcategories or almost anything else... Go drool for a while, good fun... I am a boomer, and mine will never be sold - unless I want to try something bigger or smaller:o

[Zed]

Yes it will be sold... I promise you that much!

Some have been on Yachthub for years... one of Oram's 38's for example.

[Frosty]

I gunna buy one cheap when all the baby boomers go belly up and drop their toys. I'm a true recycler.... LOL!

Your not the only sweeper/ recycler there is plenty vulchers standing waiting so prices will still remain competitive.

[Zed]

You don't seem to understand the demographic bulge that the boomers are and the void that follows them. You can here the echo in the post boomer market... don't hold your breath frosty!

[Frosty]

Im not a holding breath kind a guy, more like a rational realist.
I don't need a guys financial collapse to bring out the best in my negotiation skills.

[Zed]

Oh dear... I'm laughing lots... thanks!

[Frosty]

Yeah well thats ok,-- but if you going through life waiting for some one to fall so you can pick it up ---well.

That kinda reminds me of a friend of mine that waited all his life for his mum and dad to die to get a house. He was 65 before he was successful,---is successful the right word?

The word parasite comes to mind. A young man is not afraid and diversifies, he does not understand what the problem is about and gets on with it. Your showing signs of age.

[hoytedow]

Oh dear... I'm laughing lots... thanks!Play nice, Zed. You are probably just pi55ed that you always get called last.:p :p

[Zed]

Ha, nice try Frosty!

I don't go through life walking into obvious problems, that is for the blunt tools in the shed...

[masalai]

Have you good folk finished? would you care to comment on the build of useful ideas that you would like to present to the forum? - - - Is the USA trend of a pissing contest spreading throughout the world? - - I happily play along for brief interruptions, but persistent pissing leaves a bad smell in the air...

[hoytedow]

Mas, I was looking at a Oram cat on a sling on another thread earlier today. It looks to me very much like the one you are building. I wonder if the cabin has the same lines as yours will have.

[Zed]

You still putting up that "down hill" rig on the Oram?

[masalai]

Zed, Yes only an impatient fool seeks to bash into walls and other softer obstructions - become more zen-like and bend with the wind like the grasses on the open plains...

hoytedow, do you have a link? is it like this http://boboramdesign.wordpress.com/39-c-ms/

[Zed]

Spoken like a man that has never been caught on a lee shore with machinery thats not cooperating. Maybe a little more experience is needed before you throw the fool moniker around.

Poo happens, on the best of boats! It compounds in ways you'd swear where million to one shots... a boat without windward ability is hobbled, how you choose to use it on a daily basis is up to you ---> even a Zen Master can fight when required.

2c

[hoytedow]

Actually, Mas, it is a thread you know.
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-building/boat-building-projects-underway-29473-5.html

[masalai]

For ZED,
Oh the rig has windward capability, John Hitch can sail "X-IT" with the apparent near 30 degrees... I have yet to test the limits of my boat, but it will point higher than Captain Cooks' "Endeavour", (having been on the replica), and good knowledge and understanding of ones boat is all part of good seamanship...

One cruising yacht (production cat) was proudly shown at 10.+ knots and 64+ degrees with sails fairly hard on so I guess the reading was true wind angle - - OOPS? - - I am guessing but you sound like a dedicated power-boat-man? - Do you have twin engines (I have)....

Hoit, yes that is a 44C - - - mine is sort of... the experimental version... that was used for the 39C MS

[Boston]

I am shocked that anyone would come in here and insult the mans building project
I've seen a lot of screwed up projects get discussed on the forum but Mass's is far from one of them
he has hired
professional naval architect
professional builder with experience building this exact boat
and used the appropriate materials
to build a proven design of known capabilities

just goes to prove some folks could find fault in just about anything

I think its going to perform flawlessly Mass
and I appreciate you posting the build process so we can all see what a great job you have done of it

I read the thread avidly and hope I can do as well with my own build when the time comes
I say thanks for setting a great example

[Zed]

Oh the rig has windward capability, John Hitch can sail "X-IT" with the apparent near 30 degrees...

This is good! Actually sounds too good but close will do, you will need it at some point, Murphy will see to it.

Who insulted the project? Get ya hand of it Boston.

Oram's as are a fav of mine, the rig will make it a orphan in the used market but Mas seems aware of that and is not concerned.

[Boston]

I think we all have a pretty clear grip on who is saying what around here

[Bob Oram]

It is worth reading the 'plastics versus glass' section at Boston's maxtanks site just to put the 'convenience' of plastics into perspective.

[Boston]

I am not worthy
I am not worthy

humbly bows and backs respectfully away from one of the greats

[hoytedow]

I am not worthy
I am not worthy

humbly bows and backs respectfully away from one of the greatsWatch out for that acacia behind you.:D

[Zed]

One cruising yacht (production cat) was proudly shown at 10.+ knots and 64+ degrees with sails fairly hard on so I guess the reading was true wind angle - - OOPS? - - I am guessing but you sound like a dedicated power-boat-man? - Do you have twin engines (I have)....

Dedicated power boat man? LOL, Mas I start engines to make sure they still work. Everywhere else I sail if at all possible and that includes some places that you'd not believe, normally after engine failure on a clients boat (delivery's back in the day..) My advice to you would be to sail your boat everywhere you can, on to mooring and off etc etc. Get to know the way it handles backwards while you are not under pressure.... even learn to sail it backwards if she will do it... don't laugh, it can be useful albeit over very short distances :D. Don't rely on ANY power unit, it more than likely will not be there when you need it.... stuff happens in abundance when it really happens. So yeah, you know the hull can go to windward, I'd be making sure that the rig can put up a good show as well, even if you never intend to use it.... but then I'd use it enough to know my craft, not to is to be delinquent in ones duty as a skipper IMO.

I thought you had 4 engines? Have you changed that electric outboard setup? Are you using 3 head sails like X-it... ?

[Richard Atkin]

Gotta say I think Mas has the right idea. Sailing should be fun and relaxing, if you're into cruising. Mas doesn't care about windward performance as much as he cares about smooth pleasant sailing. I agree with that. Windward performance is never really an issue for the true cruiser. If you're in a hurry, then you should be in an aeroplane.

Also gotta say.....the boat looks bloody strong. I think you've made a good choice, Mas. Just don't scrape it over rocks.

[Zed]

It is a safety issue... and it only really needs to be an "issue" once and you are parked on the bricks. Nothing about making sure you have the ability to go to windward, should it be needed, precludes "smooth and pleasant" sailing or taking things slowly. That is to draw a line that does not exist.

[masalai]

Sisterships have been reported to have done that with minimal ill effect (tickled the bottom with something harder than mud/sand:D:o) I am very comfortable with the engineering and structural integrity.... I do not intend to deliberately test that issue, but I will not tempt Murphy if possible...

3 engines are the go at the present, economic manipulation in the markets have made some options doubtful/confused...

I intend to quietly "muck about" and get to know this boats' ways better than anything else I know - - and no further analysis will be considered as to the significance of the meaning... A third sail is on the agenda but not the budget yet...

Boston, well deserved praise...

A fellow BDnet member visited yesterday and seems keen on the 48C - MS and immediately a 10M power just to keep up with the pleasures of scuba-diving... Hope he has a chat with Bob soon...

[Zed]

The center sail on E-Xit looks like it would do the job to windward but with the sheets of the other two past around outside it it looks a little cumbersome, I guess it must work! If you have the center head stay you could always carry a blade and storm gear if a situation works out to be less than desirable.

[masalai]

Zed, Basically that is what John Hitch calls it (on his boat) and seldom seems to use it... as it is comparatively heavier material and, I am told, does service as a sort of "storm sail"...

Oops, you copied my "rash response" before I read PM... Still confused...

[Frosty]

Dont worry about sailing because you will get very little of it, I have had 2 largish boats and now I have power. Sailing is a waste of time in these here parts.

Theres always a reason to go faster be it to get to an anchorage before sun down or get there an hour after and heave too all night.

Or some fishermen are eying you up and you wanna get out of there.

Or it looks a bit black behind you and filling in. You see an island in the distance at it will take you ALL day to get to it.

I use only twice as much fuel as the last yacht did but I get there 4 times as fast. pull that anchor in and shut them down. Ahhhh hot water in the shower and cold beer in the fridges.

[Boston]

hmmmmmmmm
power is cheaper up front as well
aaaarrrrrggggg this decision is a whopping pain in the ass

[Zed]

If you are uncertain about a power/sail decision then you simply must get a power boat because you are not a sailor. If you are a sailor then.... well, then there is no question, its that simple!

Long range motoring is my idea of hell but to each their own.

[Frosty]

If you read my post I said "round these here parts" You will motor everywhere here.

Today right now 2 46 Pm sunny and hot 90's wind North east 5 mph, has not rained this year yet, and wont till April.

Sitting in a cockpit with a preventer on the boom so it does'nt rattle about, listening to the slosh of exhaust water. Thats sailing on the equator.

I don't have a 'power boat' its a nimble semi displacement 14 ton cat with surface drives smooth as silk. Engines way aft and not under floor of the lounge like a power boat. Jo jarring rattling cuttlery and a 20kts cruise 35 liters per hour both. With flybridge of course.

[Boston]

ya for me its mostly financial limitations
my chosen profession was hit hard by the economic crunch and although Im trying some new biz ideas they are not going anywhere yet.

I want to retire back to the water and having both sailed and motored I am comfortable with both
I started out leaning toward sail
then motoring
then sail again but with electric auxiliary
who knows the decision changes with my financial condition
which so far is not changed much in the last few years
although I think I found a job so that has some potential although just hate working for anyone but myself
its almost funny how universally my investment friends freak out when I tell them that I day traded for six months or so last year when things were really bad, they all gasp and beg me not to do that again, ever. Seems most people loose there shirts and when I mention I did ok they get even more adamant that I never do that again to a man they claim it had to be dumb luck and go into spasms trying to convince me its the worst of all forms of trading
its kinda frightening to hear what they have to say about day trading
kinda put me off the whole idea actually even though I did well

basically I need to secure steady income again before I can proceed with the decision and so
the indecision

B

we now return you to your regularly scheduled programing
beeeeeeeeeeeep

ok Mas your up

[Frosty]

Its now 3.15Pm and the wind is now from the south at a little more 10Kts.

Thats sailing here, if your heading south then you are now nose on. It can come from 360 degrees at anytime.

[Zed]

Ten knots is plenty FWIW....

Pictures of your boat Frosty! We need pictures, closeups of the surfaces drives pls, they fascinate me! Thankyou sir...

[Frosty]

Im sure people are sick of seeing my drives, theve been posted many times.

Infact you may be able to help me .Ive lost the ability to up load files to the forum. Its just takes ages then says up load failed. I cant up load to email either. What can that be. Ive down loaded another flash player but that didnt help. Im not a computer man.

[Fanie]

Im not a computer man.

How did 'computer' get into your equasion ???

[Boston]

are you on a mac or a pc frosty

first thing is to click the "go advanced" option and use that page to load an image
probably does not mater if your on a mac or a pc but
either way what I do is to host my images on photobucket and then cut and paste the direct link into the text box that pops up when you hit insert image option

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r420/maxtanks/P8160237.jpg

if the image is off the net then and you are on a mac its really easy

just place the curse over the image and press the control key and click once on the mouse
a window pops up with some options
copy image location and paste that into the text box that pops up when you hit the insert image option

http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/images/schooner.jpg

[Zed]

Links to pre posted stuff?

[Frosty]

I knew this would happen --i dont understand the jargon. I got a lap top thing errrr presario 2200 I think I might have fckd it up down loading a flight sim.

Its 5 years old. Its not picys off the net they are on file. So I go advanced hit managment, browse hit unused desk top **** and look for the photo, click open then down load , then I sit and look at if for ages maybe 1/2 hour.

hang on I got an idea.

[Boston]

same thing happened to me when Diego was nice enough to try and help with the text box issue on my web site

Im sure what he did works but I was not able to load it into the site because I just dont get the lingo well enough to know follow what to do

Im not sure you can load from a desk top
I never tried it
maybe thats the problem
try placing the photos in a site called photobucket
they host pictures for free and they do take them off your desk top or even off of a pictures program like what you get when you have a digital camera like mine

anyway it works for me

try stealing a pict off the net and seeing it that works

find a pict you want to load and place the curser ( little arrow thingy controlled by the mouse ) ( mouse, not the one in your pocket but the one in your hand, ok not that one but the little white thing that controls the arrow on the screen ) over the picture
find the control key on the key board and put your nose on it
then without moving click the mouse
you should see a window pop up full of options
image location is the one you want
cut and paste that into the insert images area of the go advanced window

does that clear up anything or am I just talking gibberish again

[Frosty]

I think I got it. This is her coming home to her berth.

[masalai]

Well done young fellow... Nice pict... better than GoogleEarth :D:D

[Frosty]

One more. This is her backing in, surface props pulling hard.

I had to reduce the pic down a bit from 4megygigybits, I think I did it too much.

[Zed]

No Frosty, you are wrong... I just had not been back here yet. Saturdays are busy for me... Nice looker!

[Frosty]

Thats Ok im often wrong!! (smilie)

[Zed]

So what design is she?

I can't see the drives, I thought they'd be more visible!

[Frosty]

She is Australian,- Sea wind power catamaran, ventura range. The 44's all went to America except this one which I bought off the factory in Belambi 100miles south of Sydney--Woolongong.

The drives? well they should be there under the water.

[Zed]

LOL... you got short miles in Thailand! You'd know Richard then?

[Frosty]

It was 7 years ago how far is it then? --seemed like an hour on the train--No

Richard ward? --- Oh yeah

[Zed]

I dunno, 50 tops :D

Yes... Mr Seawind and top bean counter.

[masalai]

about 61km

[Frosty]

Yes, he likes beans.

Might go see him at the Sydney boat show this year, if I could get a complimentary ticket out of him, may be not.

[Zed]

Good Luck...

[Boston]

nice boat Frosty old man
I had not seen her before
looks really smooth on the water to

I think your file size is whats slowing down your load time

B

oh
I saved the pict of your boat to my desk tom if thats ok
not sure some folks are finicky about you stealing there pictures so I thought I'd ask

B

[masalai]

The team will be at it all week - dedication.... One of the two rudders, the stern is getting close, as is the galley... The 25L plastic container is my modularised water system for RO made water...

[Fanie]

Eh Frosty, if yer takin the pictures who's driving the boat ?
I can see the pot plants and home brew you left on the jetty in the foreground so she would float on her lines (for a change).

Do one collect a lot of stuff if you're a liveaboard ?

[Zed]

Frosty - I'm kinda surprised that you are not running covers up top! I would have thought that would be a must in the tropics!

Carbon rudder posts Mas?

[Manie B]

Lovely stuff mate :D

[masalai]

and the tubes from "Pacific Composites", as well as the 10 staunchness... (is that the correct spelling?)

[Zed]

Carbon stanchions? WOW... sexy... :D

[masalai]

I never asked actually, I will advise when I order and get the bill... 1000mm long by 25mmOD cylinders with 150mm below deck and securely taped in place...

[masalai]

Really got pissed off yesterday, over the weekend some arsehole stole two pallets of clay face-bricks (900) from the house I am building, and I thought someone else had broken in on Australia Day evening, (Tuesday Night), and stole some stuff... A call to the site supervisor was not answered, but in the end, the house was OK - the guy doing the internal stairwell had to make some adjustments (PHEW)... but the bricks are gone... I am a little less angry and less inclined murderous ideas.thoughts now...

Yesterdays boat build effort, (keen bloke worked on Australia Day - to have Friday off and go to a concert in Adelaide), in part is seen in the images - - the second rudder almost finished... :D:D:D:D

[Zed]

You will live in Queensland! That is why you live in Tasmania, have a bigger boat and sail north for the winter. Wonderful water ways down there, relatively yob free, those yobs, they love the warm weather.... grows all sorts of malignant things!

Love the high tech "battery vice"!

[masalai]

Common name is "viceous gravitas" a 'free vice' (as in criminal behaviour) relying on apples and Newton when there are no apples or clamps available and the item was discarded - consequently free... of any criminality...

I would love to be in Tasmania, except for the cold as 24deg celsius or colder causes everything I want to move to stiffen and that which should becomes reluctant? Queensland is closer to the other (eastern side) of the Coral Sea, where I seek the balmy tropical warmth, also I will have plenty of coconuts for cooking, cooking oil, engine oil/fuel and other fluid for mixing with gin as a fine drink against scurvey, fungal, viral and other bugs....

Yob free means people free? sail further north (to 5deg N) in summer, ease a bit further south in winter and stay out of the cyclone zone... If I am caught south for summer I may be tempted to venture further south????

Did the penny drop at a subtle hint? would you like to have a sail?

[Zed]

OK... a better class of yob? Perhaps?

[Manie B]

would you like to have a sail?

he he damn sure :D

even if i have to flippen walk there ;)

[masalai]

hehehe, Manie if you started walking now, I should be ready by the time you arrive:D:D:D:o and baptise you with a new name starting with J? - would John be OK?:D:D

[Fanie]

I am a little less angry and less inclined murderous ideas.thoughts now...

Now you know how we feel on a daily basis. You have no idea, and your's are only bricks...

[masalai]

I am in no doubt as to the **** you go through, we have several saffa friends who escaped years ago and they still hurt... Seek immigration to NZ... Once you have permanent residency, as easy as catching a plane across the ditch (South Coral Sea)...

[Boston]

I had a Safrican friend talk me out of vacationing in Zim a few years ago with my neighbor
said I'd be lucky to return with my life

[BertKu]

I had a Safrican friend talk me out of vacationing in Zim a few years ago with my neighbor
said I'd be lucky to return with my life

Boston, actual that is a pity. It is a beautiful country and my wife goes often for her international company to Zim. The Zim people are not really bloodthursty. I am not a South African Fanie, but your countrymen have created this mess, although there are murders in any country. My mother of 85 was robbed from her jewelery in Rotterdam. I did my nuts in NewYork when I got out of the underground at the wrong station. So has South Africa places you stay away from. The last theft which took place here was 5 years ago. Any country has crime.

[Manie B]

Tourism in South Africa - Zimbabwe and most southern african states is alive and well, there are stunningly beautifull places and five star accomodation

DONT GO IT ALONE
YOU MUST HAVE A REGISTERED TOUR OPERATOR

if you get lost or your vehicle breaks down in the wrong place at the wrong time, they decend down on you like hungry locusts in a feeding frenzy
car crash victims get robbed of everything while they are laying bleeding waiting for an ambulance that may never come

My wife also travels all over the world to the international pharmaceautical companies - please believe me - we know whats going down.

Sure do visit - but do it properly - dont get clever - you may pay the ultimaye price

[Boston]

actually my neighbor was a national
beautiful black lady and asked if I would like to go along on her annual trip
turns out neither of us could go but it was partly because of the upheaval not so long ago
I think even she was a bit anxious about going and thought it best to let things calm down a little
we might still go but who knows
Im kinda struggling at the moment

B

[masalai]

Not much by way of pictures today as the team are still finishing off and tidying up, ready to get in to doing the "coach-house" when the pre-cut stuff is delivered from ATL...

I understand Bob Oram may come and help with the setup for this part, all very exciting and I promise I will try to post lots of images...

The galley benches are still a WiP (work in progress) and I have been drawing tentative lines on the deck for the front windows...

[Boston]

you must be ecstatic to have him coming out
whole thing is really coming along
looks great as always

how about a layout of the galley area so we can better understand the progress at this stage

[RHP]

Mas, to change the subject slightly:

George Soros warns gold is now the 'ultimate bubble'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/davos/7085504/Davos-2010-George-Soros-warns-gold-is-now-the-ultimate-bubble.html

[masalai]

Thanks RHP,
Technically, on pricing, on supply/demand definitely not... It is heavily crushed by the FED as USA needs to raise billions at the US Bond/treasury auctions (Friday?) and another monetary easing effort (printing money to buy all the unwanted bonds) will cause an even bigger problem for USA once the sheeple realise NO ONE wants to buy US debt...

The masses have made absolutely no effort to flee into the security of gold... On the basis of retaining value in normal inflation is well below true valuation and there are many more methods of assessing the likelihood of a bubble that do not even remotely suggest such...

Ed Steer's Gold & Silver Daily just in suggests "Barrick Chairman Sees Upward Gold Trend Intact" and further down this - - "I'd like to blame the dollar, but chart further down belies that. However, with the equity markets about to perform a face-plant on the open, I'm sure that the powers that be didn't want gold shining too brightly... so the order went out... and JPMorgan et al went to work. Just as 'da boyz' did on Tuesday... they did it again yesterday. They are breaking the law in full view of everyone, and they don't care, because they know that CFTC Chairman Gary Gensler isn't going to do a thing to stop them... and may actually be protecting them instead."

'There are no market anymore... only interventions.' - Chris Powell, GATA

[hoytedow]

Nice cabinetry, Mas. I eagerly anticipate seeing the finished interior.

[masalai]

Those two bench-tops are identical (mirror images) with large drawers for pots etc, and 3 smaller drawers for knives & kitchen implements as well as cutlery... One side will be electric appliances and a small hobb (all mains power - 240vAC as per Australian standard) and the other side wet and preparation with a "domestic wash trough"... Aft of those is space for a pair of high efficiency front opening upright freezers - one derated to be used as a refrigerator... simple...

The space between is 2M wide, about 4M long, and allow placement of an assortment of card-table and chairs etc... laid out for our personal comfort first, not an entertainment resort for everyone who visits...

[Boston]

where's the barby is all I want to know

[masalai]

Barbie is on the beach ... somewhere near the barbeque... I realised there was a huge pun on words and found I did post the response - just did not find it:?:

With the fish catch of the day and a bit of looking around there are some reef lobster, oysters (small and sweet), crab, saltwater-crocodile and fresh local salad and vegetables for a right royal feast... Some red and white wine, crushed ice and maybe beer and the makings of a repast to be remembered...

[Boston]

if she is hot enough I could maybe grill up a steak on her belly?

[masalai]

That is for you to ask - - there are bound to be some singles looking around... I am married and 'under the thumb':D:D:D

[Boston]

my condolences

[masalai]

It is a workable arrangement where I am content...

[TeddyDiver]

:D :D :D
You are just marvelous bunch of *****!

[Boston]

hey no worries Mass just joking around

[masalai]

Teddy, seems you stumbled on a "no-holds-barred" world championship recruitment practice session... the 'rabids' and 'pirates' are particularly excited by the impending collapse of the USA economy - - which my reading seems to affirm, and everyone seems to be in full denial... They will wake up one day....

Oh B, you had me worried there thanks...:D:D:o

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=332

[Boston]

no worries I would not leave that kind of smut in your fine building site mate
not my style at all

cheers
B

[masalai]

A nice atol to visit? curtesy of TeddyDriver - - Bokak Atol - only entrance is at 14.620729N & 168.954088E - Just look at the indicators of a massive outgoing rip:!:

[Boston]

well it had to happen Mass
sorry if I played any role in that but your fav. thread did kinda get invaded by some pretty unsavory characters there towards the end

you would love this article though
http://m.www.yahoo.com/_ylt=Ai7GIgippjN9GkDfKGjisXubvZx4/SIG=128157tdv/**http%3A//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100131/ap_on_bi_ge/us_bailout_watchdog

oh well
it had slipped a ways from its intended purpose
my take would be to have something more directly associated with boating just as Jeff suggests
but only as it directly relates to boating
say
how to make money and still sail off into the blue
or
make money sailing
or whatever

personally I dont see how you can make money sailing unless your playing the market but thats just me
I'd eventually throw a charter overboard if I had to put up with to much nonsense

cheers
B

[Fanie]

make money sailing
Money floats just fine, throw some on the water you'll see.
To make money sailing (away) just make these little sails you put on each note...

[masalai]

Thanks Boston...

Fanie, What is the definition of a boat? A: A hole in the water into which one pours money to retain that condition...

[Boston]

Just started a thread

who makes there living sailing and how

hopefully we can keep things to a dull roar and maybe even discuss various ways people make it living aboard

or at least thats what Im hopping

[masalai]

I doubt any will give ideas that are working or that they may implement sometime soon... Why give yourself unnecessary competition? There are a couple of books available, but would be quite dated now as the geo-political climate is changing very rapidly... http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/how-make-money-boats-vs-google-31219.html#post340378 is one example...

[masalai]

Well the panels and materials for the Coach-house have been ordered, and hopefully will be delivered next week... Bob Oram has graciously offered to come and help with the setup... Hooley Dooley:!::!: Hopefully lots of images will follow the delivery ... Just confirmed as next Thursday, 11Feb2010, by the magic co-ordinator, 'M' at ATL (more efficient than James Bonds Moneypeny)...

The team are finishing up and sorting out the internal detail as well as the stern sections - all those "annoying" things which seem to take lots of time for no great impact... Is this the frustration stage? where so close but so much yet to be done :D:D:D

[Fanie]

Sounds exciting Mas ! You have more than we have on the moment. At least you cam make those 'dissshhh... dissshhh.... disssshhhh...' sounds as you plow the waves. What must we say eh :D

Enjoy every second of it. You're going to miss the building once it's done :rolleyes:

[Fanie]

Sure Zed, I can take you to a couple of places where it's JUST like inside a dishwasher ;) WHen you get out there you're clean as in CLEAN, inside and out.

Listen mate, personally I ignore these things, but the other guys may think funny of it that you have to operate the washing machine... kinda suggests who wears the pants at home... :D

[Manie B]

Hi Mas

all those "annoying" things which seem to take lots of time for no great impact

I am also somewhere here in this "no mans land" situation at the momoent

I read an interesting piece on the Scrumble project where Judy wrote 10 points of why things take time, I seem to remember that no 10 was something about age (thats me!) :D

Maybe Judy can direct you there, it is so true.

oh well, the dream team is still at it, unfortunately it does push the "hidden costs" up a bit
well you know the story about the hole in the water
boat building is not an exact science :p

i am also looking forward to the top structure
all eyes on Bob :D

[Fanie]

Hey Manie !!

It's great that Judy offered those 10 points, but what would have been great would be if she offers solutions, workarounds or alternatives to those 10 things.

Regarding age, speak for yourself. Personally I have no time to get old right now :rolleyes:

[judy]

Hey, I thought my ears were burning!

Fanie, I can offer solutions to point 4 and 8 (see original post here: Ten (feeble) excuses (http://scrumbleproject.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/ten-feeble-excuses/))

Tom is actually writing a post right now about how, as of today, we have solved these two problems. Just give him another couple of minutes or so, and it should be here: Shed (http://scrumbleproject.wordpress.com/shed)

[Scrumble]

Hey Manie !!
Regarding age, speak for yourself. Personally I have no time to get old right now :rolleyes:

I agree entirely.

[masalai]

Good stuff there Scrumblers:D:D

I have not heard from Frosty? You OK bloke?

Lots of economic emails that are not being shared... Casey research, GATA, The Market Oracle, Gerald Celente, and lots of others - - Google is your friend.... :o

[Zed]

Sure Zed, I can take you to a couple of places where it's JUST like inside a dishwasher ;) WHen you get out there you're clean as in CLEAN, inside and out.

Listen mate, personally I ignore these things, but the other guys may think funny of it that you have to operate the washing machine... kinda suggests who wears the pants at home... :D

Well... yeah, what can I say! That is coming for a social time warp!

I kinda meant that Mas seems to have most every luxury on board!

[Boston]

on the economic front I am moments from launching a new web site selling raw wood straight from the mills

on the home front my neighbors stuff is all out on the front lawn
looks like the bank finally came buy and sent him packing

kinda sums it up round here

hows the old build going
you get that lid on it yet :)

[Fanie]

Oh I see, Mas is going to sit on the boat and make lips sounds sounding like his washing machine, tumble dryer, micro wave... Mmmm, I wonder if that boat is ever going to leave port :confused:

[Zed]

Why, he was planning a small power station!

[masalai]

All detailed and identified do I really have to repeat myself? Go look at the pictures most is there... 'Pizza bake & grill' is under my desk, as is 'bakers oven', 2 'rice / slow cookers', a "glass oven" - 'Easy-cook' thing with a lid incorporating the fan forced heater section - works a treat... dishwasher and other things - a stihl RE-162 adjustable high pressure cleaner and self:D:D:D

Nuke machine (put your head inside, turn it on and what a mess of an explosion) - not yet, - - - and the cold fusion system is still undergoing reliability tests (fuel is dust and other small bits of "rubbish' and looks a bit like a sort-of vacuum cleaner)...

[Boston]

I was hoping you would post a plan view of the deck house, complete with hot tub and bikini clad girls

[Manie B]

Super cool Tom and Judy

Therefore we are moving the whole operation to this 20m x 10m facility. The bonus is that it is located on a 5 acre site with a very comfortable home and another small workshop shed.

fantastic :D

[Boston]

I am envious
my work space is minuscule

[Alan M.]

Not much by way of pictures today as the team are still finishing off and tidying up, ready to get in to doing the "coach-house" when the pre-cut stuff is delivered from ATL...

I understand Bob Oram may come and help with the setup for this part, all very exciting and I promise I will try to post lots of images...

The galley benches are still a WiP (work in progress) and I have been drawing tentative lines on the deck for the front windows...

May be too late, since your benchtops are already cut, but I bent duflex through 180 degrees (router the glass off one side in a 45mm wide strip and it can bend over on itself) and had it laminexed at a kitchen place. Gives a nice round edge to the bench.

http://i46.tinypic.com/symo41.jpg

[masalai]

Looks very fine Alan, but my galley is UP:D:o and I have a 2 plate electric hob and no gorilla under... Your pride and joy looks close to launch... Congratulations...

[Alan M.]

I did see that your galley is up, but don't see that that prevents you from having rounded edges on benchtops.

[masalai]

Hi Alan, I just got a little eager in thinking that this was a tongue-in-cheek photo gift to be "my Galley" - getting even too lazy to delete / correct errors - - Oops:D:D:D - - well - I am just feeling comfortable and rather laid back:D

[masalai]

Just a bit of "titilation" yesterday's images

fresh (wet?) paint, Dust illuminated in the flash, and without the flash...

[Zed]

No flick up type rudders?

[downunder]

Mas,

thanks for your time on my visit - although your saloon roof is yet to be started you are making noticable progress.

I think I saw Alan's 44C (without rig yet) looking great in the water at River Heads when I visited Bob Oram.

Bob certainly is a wealth of knowledge. The trip was well worthwhile. He has had his 40ft pod cat in the water for a while and it looked good at Urangan.

He said that he had spent some time on Salter and recconed it was easily 5C cooler than exposed windows on most other cats without any need for shades and the covers for electronics you see on most vessels. Flat panels and built in shade looks practical, safer and looks better to me than unsafe curves.

John

[masalai]

Hi Zed, No need, mini keels will protect it...???? slightly deeper.... Draft is just 700mm or so...

[Boston]

looks great Mass
hows things
B

[Zed]

So it's mini keels and one CB is that the config?

[masalai]

Zed,
Mini keels and that is it - - downwind-flyer... 4,800kg and 70 to 80M2 sail-area in 2 big genoas... for an old fart like me that is enough...

Boston, OK, get the address?

[Zed]

Nice weight, I think that mini keels are not all that bad upwind FWIW. I thought I heard you mention one board at sometime....but not obviously!

[masalai]

Original plan was just one board as many of the 39C have that and it seems adequate but eventually I settled on mini-keels as being the better alternative for the proposed cruising ground and that eased the need / desirability for tip-up rudders... - - Less things to go wrong - - in the KISS philosophy...

It has been suggested that it may be possible to sneak as high as 30 deg apparent - At this stage I do not feel that is critical as I will either start up and power upwind or if strong and difficult, just stay safely anchored up... What is the bloody hurry, tomorrow or even next week sometime is soon enough... Boats are a compromise and 2 x 100hp to push into a full gale once in xx years when 2 x 10 hp will serve very nicely for 99.99% of the time... The other times a secure set of mooring ropes and anchors are more useful for the weight & cost... My build continues here http://boats-n-stuff.com.au/forum/index.php

[Fanie]

Hi Guys,

Sorry I've been useless off late, just very buzy.

Looking good Mas !

[masalai]

For those who seek an update, the mast will be stepped on a specially designed girder, supporting around a 6 ton compression load and located some 2.25metres aft of the original position...
the old images are all here as 1280 x 960jpegs:- http://boats-n-stuff.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,29.0.html
the build continues here:- http://boats-n-stuff.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,2.0.html
the economics links continue here:- http://boats-n-stuff.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,3.120.html

To see the pdf files and images you must register and log-in - spammers and other naughty people force this measure, sadly...

[catsketcher]

Gday Mas

I was lurking though your new site and saw you wanted to fill your keels. I did some quick calcs.

Your keels are 3 metres long. Say Naca 009s. So they are 27cm wide max. Lets average this as 14cm over the length. Area of top about 0.3 metres squared. Depth of the keels (guessing) 0.4m. So total volume (with no taper or trapezoid) is about 0.4 x 0.4 = .160 metres cubed - 160 litres.

So if you blow a hole in a keel it would be the same as if you put two guys on one hull. The boat won't notice it. If you try to put something inside the keels you will regret it for ever after if there is a leak.

Put one very tough inspection bung into the keels (from the cabin sole) and forget them. If you ever make them leak then cut a biggerhole and then be thankful you did not put expanding foam down there to obscure the fact you had a leak and hinder its fix. I would recommend you stay very far away from filling the voids in your boat with anything but nice dry air. Trust your boatbuilding and keep the boat ready to repair. I have seen very bad things happen with expanding foam. Buyers get worried too - what's he trying to hide? Give me lovely clean glass and dusty voids to resolve concerns about workmanship.

[masalai]

catsketcher, Thank you for the wise words, and the reality check, that eases my concerns and 'false' worries....

[Manie B]

Hi Mas, please update this thread with the latest info.
It would be nice to know how you go on from here.
Will be fantastic when she gets to the water.
:D

[hoytedow]

Ditto.