My little piece of peace [Archive] - Page 4

masalai

10-14-2009, 12:59 AM

Those "toilet seats are about 2 ft too high and about 32 ft aft from where the toilet seat will be (unless you prefer to hang out over the stern, then 10 ft further aft for you)

That "battery" was someone else's purchase that failed in operation, to become a very effective (and expensive) "gravity clamp" for use when gluing something to the top of a horizontal surface... I may recover the lead to sell to a mono builder - why build a boat that needs lots of weight added to keep it floating (upright) is beyond sanity...

Manie B

10-14-2009, 01:17 AM

how do they say

"fair dingkum mate" or something like that

he he i sure hope that means vely vely guuuud

looove eeeet

Fanie

10-14-2009, 03:04 AM

Have to agree with Frosty there Mas, those toilet seats are too narrow as well, they're going to cut in you but.

I'm worried about the lounge table as well... or do you plan to paint it with the boat ? And that green roll on the table, is it sand paper or just tough already green toilet paper ?

masalai

10-14-2009, 03:39 AM

Well, all I can say is if your big arse is that big, then you ain't coming anywhere my boat... Those holes would be about the size of a barn door (side entrance) - - - 3 ft across:?: hope you don't shit to match:?: - - some of you saffa's get a bit uncouth of occasion, and may be in need of being put in your place:D:D:D:D I will have to install 300hp engines so you can travel at the end of a ski rope and enjoy a stimulating douche... (douche.. A stream of water, often containing medicinal or cleansing agents (salt, sharks etc), that is applied to a body part or cavity for hygienic or therapeutic purposes.) ...:?::D:D:D:?:

Manie B

10-14-2009, 06:04 AM

oh no you cant do this :eek:

will have to install 300hp engines so you can travel at the end of a ski rope

dont forget you gotta tow the microcruiser :D

Frosty

10-14-2009, 06:10 AM

300Hp toilet seat!!! Could work.

There is some levelly toilet roll holders on Ebay if your interested.

Your right about them Saffas being a bit rough round the edges Mas.

Dont waste money on toilet roll holders with Saffas Mas just get old cardboard boxes and magazines, but don't forget to take the staples out first.

Naaa never mind --leave em in, they wont notice,--not them Saffas.

Alan M.

10-14-2009, 10:00 PM

Some pics of how I recessed the outboard power head into the sheer panel so the bracket and nacelle could be slimmer:

http://i35.tinypic.com/t7zwc2.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2hcf1ht.jpg

masalai

10-14-2009, 10:17 PM

Alan M.\
A very neat and elegant solution, and nicely finished to boot... When do you expect to launch?

masalai

10-14-2009, 10:45 PM

The team are making the large deck hatches and fitting these hatches to sections of the deck, and since the comments were somewhat derogatory - no point in showing more of the same:D:D:D, and it is hard work, done beautifully...

Next week I have to find a square "kitchen sink" and deliver my stove for fitting to the bench...Stove to port sink to starboard... and then the drawers will be fitted....

Frosty

10-15-2009, 03:35 AM

Stove to port --sink to starboard!!!!

You dont want to go around saying words like "sink" on a boat Mas

Its a basin, there are other words you never use on a boat like---errr

Fanie

10-15-2009, 03:59 AM

...and since the comments were somewhat derogatory ...
Now see what you done Frosty, you and your toilet humour... now we're not getting any more pictures... *sniff*

Frosty

10-15-2009, 04:12 AM

I like the open toilet approach. It was'nt me that said the seat would bite your butt.

To be honest suggesting that someone had a butt biting boat seat be it big or black belittles beyond belief,-- bit below belt.

masalai

10-15-2009, 05:02 AM

I suppose stove is also a bad word as in "stove in"..... so cooktop to port and hand-basin to starboard?

Frosty

10-15-2009, 07:27 AM

There you go-- thats much better.
Sorry guys gotta go, snake handler time.

Cold beer Chang and I might buy a DVD off the DVD man if I see him on his rounds. ooops sorry mas.

Elvis has left the building.

Manie B

10-15-2009, 07:38 AM

This is something to cheer you up :D

a "charlie chaplin" style movie (no sound)

on our favourite subject Boat Building !!!

the end will make you smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLsPKMxK-Fo

masalai

10-15-2009, 06:34 PM

What can one say:?::?::?: after that:!::!:

masalai

10-19-2009, 02:22 AM

Well, just 2 images, for (Frosty & Fanies toilet area) the aft deck and aft storage hatches are getting prepared for fitting & gluing... Lots of other detail stuff in getting prepared to put the major part of the deck area... Then to finish off the cupboards and other shelving, drawers and galley, install the genset, install the plumbing, install the wiring (48V for electric motors, inverter & 240VACstuff, and 12 V for ships systems) water tanks, black and grey water holding tanks, RO watermaker, hot water holding tank water pumps (bilge, deckwash, potable services) electronics, lighting, toys (computers & video/sound), deck hatches, coach-house (or whatever one wishes to call it), fit the windows (toughened tinted glass) ventilation ports (chandlery fittings), then comes the deck hardware & rigging and lastly sails = = = lots and lots of work and money Aaaaaaaaaaiiiiieeee.... what have I missed - bloody lots... but here is the galley wash basin:D:D:D two tubs or one methinks one...

Frosty

10-19-2009, 04:30 AM

Bunnings is great isnt it. Beware when buying sink tops, what taps are you using because you may have to cut a hole in the st/st --- If you have room
on the work top you can fit it there.

Shower fittings also don't work on marine pumps the shower spray is pathetic and is just a dribble.

masalai

10-19-2009, 05:41 AM

Thanks Frosty, The go here, for a while has been this "low-flo" stuff that works with less water-flow by aerating the droplets and also in the mixer taps, the difference being that it seems to take forever to get a glass of water - quicker from the water-jug in the fridge:D:D:D

The aft deck areas with access hatches - taped inside and out (do not fancy the inside bit - cramped up and working above on the heat and tight confines) I think they will enjoy beer-o-clock today:D:D:D

masalai

10-22-2009, 01:56 AM

Today's images have a bit more "colour" as I bought some red polyester taffeta to use as "peel-ply" - it soaks out the amine-blush and facilitates using those little consolidation rollers when laying-up the tape over fillet joins etc... and everyone knows that everything red goes faster...

masalai

10-22-2009, 02:05 AM

This batch also taken today and I placed a metric tape so the engine size could be seen, sadly I could not lift the 100 or so kg genset onto a set of scales so no weight:D:D:D the 4th engine image is the salt water heat exchanger and the salt water is then injected into the exhaust pipe... Exhaust manifold is cooled by the engine coolant...

Fanie

10-22-2009, 05:57 PM

Nice variation in colour, the beige, blue and red there Mas :D In fact the red there looks like the wax they put on sweetmilk chees ;)

In post 772, the pic with the blue thing in... I see two hulls from different boats. How many boats are you building or is it a trick ???

I still cannot give you points for the quality and amount of pics you've put up. Well done.

masalai

10-22-2009, 06:18 PM

772 spare, is a 44C, is currently "abandoned" whilst the owner sorts out a separation/divorce/meaning of life??? well actually it is done with mirrors and a bit of time machine use...
The blue is ? blue ? - surplus hatch from elsewhere (which we also used as a mould to make our other hatches)
I am somehow constrained by a lack of "freedom of expression policy continuing in USA":D:D:?: in reciprocating for your jokes effort (where I got most of my points too:D:D), however I linked your jokes from "global economics thread" http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/global-economic-situation-liveaboard-cruising-yachties-26558-114.html#post309079...

Fanie

10-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Yes well, so many excuses for not calling a thing by name :D Blue is blue even if it is surplus :rolleyes:

You shouldn't reveil your source for points... just now everyone starts putting up jokes and someone may put one up I wanted to ;) Thanks for the link, yes, the economics is a friggin joke.

Frosty

10-22-2009, 09:52 PM

Whats those engine things Mas is it a nuclear catamaran.

masalai

10-22-2009, 10:13 PM

Jeeees Fanie, it is caused by that "blue" stuff - separating agent for a glass mould, it is water soluble and releases glass from its mould....

"nookoolah"? or some such so says "the shrub" - smallest cold fusion reactor you will see for a while:D:D:D runs on oil so no 'radioactivity'....

I must be as bored as you two are to respond to these questions - better answers here http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/global-economic-situation-liveaboard-cruising-yachties-26558-114.html#post309117

No images today, as the activity is in the detail and making hatches & stuff, so unless I get lucky, maybe Tuesday afternoon Australia will see some images.... New land based home also commenced yesterday with the drainage and reinforcing and form-work ready for a concrete pour...

Manie B

10-23-2009, 07:41 AM

Well yesterday i had the extreme good fortune to visit the factory where they are building "drones" or better known as UAV unmanned aircraft the size of a Cessna 180. What a mindblowing experience. Epoxy, carbon, aramid and glass like you cannot imagine (rocket scientests:) One thing that i can really say with all honesty is that the dream team is doing a first class job for the intended application and usage, Mas you couldn't wish for more :D

composites rulez ;)

the pic i am including is of a similar type i found on the internet for reference

enjoy your weekend, i am now going to put on my old clothes and build my boat with VASTLY renewed inspiration

masalai

10-23-2009, 05:18 PM

I saw an R/C model one (about 3 ft long) in a hobby shop and thought it would be ideal to use to scare the shit out of any potential pirates:D:D:D:D - - Oops. that is another thread:?:

masalai

10-23-2009, 05:56 PM

Here is some reading that may be of interest to Queensland, Australia boaters ('Your Vessel is legally your home!'. also find this and other stuff like "Your Rights on Boarding and Defending your Home." is from http://www.thecoastalpassage.com/issues.html ) - some pdf files attached and this 'Moonraker' earth plate brochure could be of interest to many with radios & mains electricity by inverter/genset.

Manie B

10-24-2009, 04:52 AM

The really good news is that they are going to help me build my mast - 8 meters composite - light - strong AND it will FLOAT :D
say hi to the dream team

masalai

10-24-2009, 04:58 AM

Good onyer Manie... Keep at it...:D:D:D:D

Sean Herron

10-24-2009, 02:38 PM

Hello...

Ah Mas - I have no idea who you are but thanks for everything - you are obviously a good person...
Looks like old man Sean is going to re-grow his wings soon - put a boat in the river down by work and sink it with computers and a plotter...:)
Thanks for being an unkown friend...

SH.

Fanie

10-24-2009, 05:52 PM

Hey Masalai, are you on still on schedule for the launch ? What's the date again ?

masalai

10-24-2009, 06:42 PM

Yes, 12 months from start date.... And on your "aftmast rig" post, consider the "hitch-hiker" rig - pair of genoas to each bow, and a blade/storm self tacker midships, for me 2 x 35sq M on roller reefing & 9sq M hanked on - all masthead...

Fanie

10-24-2009, 07:12 PM

masalai

10-24-2009, 09:13 PM

Then Fanie, may I suggest your pair of eyes may need a pair of glasses to read the stuff in every post I make (signature area).... "building commenced 23April2009 ...":o::D:D:D

boat fan

10-25-2009, 06:06 PM

Here is some reading that may be of interest to Queensland, Australia boaters ('Your Vessel is legally your home!'. also find this and other stuff like "Your Rights on Boarding and Defending your Home." is from http://www.thecoastalpassage.com/issues.html )....

This stuff is doing my head in Mas .....

It`s officially " illegal " to live aboard a boat in QLD , yet , your " vessel is your home ...."

Go figure !! :confused: :D

masalai

10-25-2009, 06:25 PM

One is not "living aboard", it is ones permanent place of residence and is occasionally abroad as opposed to "A Broad" and this boat is actually a "Genie's bottle/lamp" or a "space/time" travelling vehicle" and if you come back tomorrow it may well have disappeared..... so then your bureaucratic problem will be resolved, goodbye:D:D

Bureaucratic masturbators are what they are, some call them wankers, drones and parasites:?:

Just ask them to "define: UP" in an intergalactic context - then tell them to go there for the answer to everything... The term "Up Yours" is then defensible and justified....

My boat will be an "Australian registered ship" and Canberra will be the "ideal" home port (no access except by road/land:!:):D:D:D then the "free-trade between States" part, in the Constitution, will be my passport.... - - The interstate truckers had that one sorted long ago... but do not tell everyone because it has illogical flaws which most bureaucrats have not discovered - "Bullshit baffles bureaucratic lack of brains:!:" so long as you can quote many legalistic reference points, being long gone before they have an answer confirmation..........

Have those advice instructions printed out - ready to hand out - It is all a game of bluff? get your poker playing skills up...

Sean Herron

10-25-2009, 06:29 PM

Hello...
Your vessel as your home as a privately registered yacht - is still in international limbo - much like NA Indian land claims...
The Governments just do not know what the hell to do about it - very low on the media photo oppurtunity list - and exploitable taxation list - I suppose...
Interesting thing to get some real print on though...
Looks like an acceptable buy out is in my near future - anyone got any sisters close to my age that need to be rid of...:)
Very much a joke - I will not be going back to that 'ball game' for some time...
SH.

masalai

10-25-2009, 07:56 PM

Come on Sean, Now is the time to build one for yourself.... Get into it:D:D:D Might help to occupy your mind and body constructively...

boat fan

10-25-2009, 08:28 PM

Hello...
.................. Looks like an acceptable buy out is in my near future - anyone got any sisters close to my age that need to be rid of...:)
Very much a joke - I will not be going back to that 'ball game' for some time............
SH.

The best favor you can do yourself Sean....at least for a while.:D

Soooo............... watcha gonna build Sean ? :D

boat fan

10-25-2009, 08:35 PM

hoytedow

10-25-2009, 09:41 PM

Awww geezzzz, do I have to go to the first post to get the date or are you going to give it to me or not :(

Sails sounds good. Stuff should come in pairs or it doesn't work well, hulls, sails, tits... :D
Tell me about it. Last year I had two eyes and two sons. Now I am down to one eye and one son. I would give up the other eye to have back the son I lost.

masalai

10-25-2009, 11:20 PM

Starboard deck in place, Port deck maybe this afternoon, for-deck after the engine bed is in place?... 58 more "beige" buckets to mix stuff in, and 700pr large latex gloves for the proctologists... (Noun, proctologist - a doctor specialising in diseases of the rectum and anus) - - - - - happy for a while...

Manie B

10-26-2009, 01:35 AM

Mas just some questions on painting

are you using a 2 pack epoxy type white paint ?
when they pull off the peel ply do they sand lightly ?
do they wipe the surface prior to paintnig with anything ?

thanks

masalai

10-26-2009, 01:50 AM

- Yes after carefully filling all the pinholes and otherwise sealing the surface, - bogging with "Hi-Build", as necessary, undercoating (that is two pack also);
- Yes;
- No;
- You are welcome - - respectively - - I will check tomorrow, just to be sure......

Manie B

10-26-2009, 05:59 AM

Mas i came across this video of a single sail rolled up around the mast

what struck me is how well a single sail works - no boom!
so your twin head sail setup should be very good as well :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSqbq6rE1O4&feature=related

there are other videos as well if you wish to dig around

masalai

10-26-2009, 07:11 AM

rolling a mast? very complex engineering? and not really scaleable methinks

Simple mast and 2 genoas on furlers using existing technology, REEF-ABLE, easily... I think I know which I would be more confident with....:D:D:D:D

How easy is it to partially reef the rolling mast? and a lot of other issues I can think of..... No thanks very much...

Bob Oram

10-26-2009, 06:02 PM

I have sons and am very sad to hear of your loss Hoytedow.
I hope you can find happiness in your life again.

masalai

10-26-2009, 08:28 PM

Thanks for the "visit", Bob, I was just about to post a series of "overview" pictures - taken this morning...
Galley benches may be fitted today, as well as the Port deck... Large hatches are being built (the 2 aft and 2 in the bows are virtually done). pair of hatches for engine and services to be shaped and fitted, genset to be mounted, galley draws to be installed and the fascia for the storage in the shower recess to be attached final painting inside then trim... 'tis all getting quite exciting...

boat fan

10-27-2009, 02:22 AM

I have sons and am very sad to hear of your loss Hoytedow.
I hope you can find happiness in your life again.

Well said Bob I think that goes for all of us here.

And welcome Mr Oram , feel free to drop in more often , if time allows . A lot of us here would appreciate any contribution and / or feed back from you.

Nice design Mas is building !!!!

boat fan

10-27-2009, 02:26 AM

'tis all getting quite exciting...

I can imagine Mas .....I really can.

A project of that scale would keep me awake at night with excitement , and anticipation.
It`s coming together nicely.

Great pics again Mas .:)

Manie B

10-27-2009, 02:29 AM

'tis all getting quite exciting...

absolutely :D

Boston

10-27-2009, 02:51 AM

Tell me about it. Last year I had two eyes and two sons. Now I am down to one eye and one son. I would give up the other eye to have back the son I lost.

my most sincere regrets of your loss
there is comfort in knowing the great spirit will reunite us all in the end
or beginning depending on how you care to look at it
my condolences
B

Fanie

10-27-2009, 05:20 PM

'tis all getting quite exciting...
About what :confused: Launch is still months away...

masalai

10-27-2009, 05:57 PM

"My baby will be produced and find its way about on its element before your baby"

hoytedow

10-27-2009, 08:32 PM

Thanks to all of you for your kind remarks. They are deeply felt and appreciated.

masalai

10-27-2009, 09:26 PM

Wandering between reading for Global economics, being cheeky with that thread, (and other threads), praying I will be all at sea before the economic shit really hits...

I only hope you all are inspired to seek a more meaningful life as a cruising yachtsman, sharing your skills and capacity in remote communities, to build fully autonomous, self-sustainable communities that we may all visit and feel welcome, to call these "our home bases on land", by the original inhabitants who have grown to respect the cruising fraternity for their honesty, fairness, open-ness and willingness to help by participation in the activities of these land based communities....

Frosty

10-27-2009, 09:55 PM

One day you will look back --and it wont seem too long ago that you built this boat. I look at mine now --its 7 years old, I cant believe it ,it seems like yesterday that I was in Auss fitting engines, I can remember it so clearly.

I am repairing stuff that still seems new to me.

Life goes much faster when your over 50 so bloody get on with it!!

I know 2 people that have shot their brains out this year!! what the F is going on. Will some one please tell me WTF is going on.

Fanie

10-28-2009, 12:03 AM

"My baby will be produced and find its way about on its element before your baby"
Probably... but who knows !

I know 2 people that have shot their brains out this year!! what the F is going on. Will some one please tell me WTF is going on.
Yoo many people, too many rules and regulations, too many restrictions.

masalai

10-28-2009, 12:21 AM

Frost, bore yourself shitless and have a careful look at the last 5 pages of economic links http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/global-economic-situation-liveaboard-cruising-yachties-26558-117.html#post310690 - - - - - The global economic system is collapsing, complements of the greed of certain fuck-heads (merchant bankers, The USA FED and many others) of the thievery, shenanigans, fraud deception and everything evil that USA laws cannot stop (it is a USA created problem)...

The 'sewersides' probably relate to that... Like when they were told their investments are worth nothing and they owe their "investment manager" US$100000000 in management fees....

Frosty

10-28-2009, 12:37 AM

Inability to compromise, adapt, diversify in my opinion.

Loosing 300 million and shooting yourself because you have only 5 million left is stupid and incorrect thinking. Or is it of shame?

If you have to kill yourself you are not thinking straight in the first place.

I don't believe it is as bad as you do Mas.

You have forgotten what Popeye said.

"Thats all I can stands cos I cant stands no more"

When people get to that and they will I suppose then it will change.

masalai

10-28-2009, 01:11 AM

Possibly this....................Or is it of shame?

The economic shit is a lot bigger than you can imagine... "Subprime" was the entrée and the main course is about 50% bigger consisting of the Alt A and other domestic residential mortgages resetting up about 4% and all the commercial real-estate foreclosures in USA - more than 100 banks in USA have closed, and the collateral damage as these collapse could be quite catastrophic, then there is the toxic debt at more than US$589,000,000,000,000.00 (589 trillion) look here and be amazed http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The annual gross domestic product of the world is (from a failing memory) less than 100 trillion so the USA has really fucked up big-time, and the impact is GLOBAL...

The Chinese have 2.5 trillion in US$ that they desperately want to exchange for something of tangible value... If they dumped that on the market then USA would collapse immediately....

think of a trillion as a stack of $1000 bills laid one on top of another reaching 69miles UP... - - or - - spending one million A DAY since the birth of baby Jesus, you would still have enough for another 700 years of such spending today..... WTF:?::!::?: and that is without considering interest on the capital......

Fanie

10-28-2009, 01:24 AM

Well Masalai,

It cannot be nearly as fcuked up as here. Some moron actually came up on tv last night and said how good a bad economy is. I mean really, just think about it. Since the ave guy out there is as dumb as dirt they will believe this kind of sh1t :( So SA wants a bad economy ok. Why they simply won't adapt to the zim $ I don't know.

Frosty

10-28-2009, 01:51 AM

Fannie I heard that a black guy in Saffa bouht a car and went to the gas station for fil up. he didnt know where to put the petrol and he filled the engine full of fuel.

You dont know him do you?

masalai

10-28-2009, 02:32 AM

Frosty, is it not about time you upgraded? shed will be available in April 2010 - or a bit sooner as final work may be done outside.... 1 year to build... and I may have a nice part furnished (complete with car) house for you to rent, as we will be moving house to our new one...

Frosty

10-28-2009, 04:15 AM

Yes I am upgrading, it will be huge in comparison and no anchor chain. It will be two story near the local supermarket and access to the red light district.

I have to get my priorities in order, such as a garage with lathe and machines to make motorcycles that I can ride to the bars with the other hogs and laugh a lot .

The one I have now parks in salt water and needs constant maintenence no matter how much money I throw at it.

I like things that begin with B--bikes ,birds , booze , bars, bra's, ball bearings . Shan't be doing another, ive sailed the sea with too many stories of shit to tell, I don t need any more, I m hanging the life jacket up.

Too old now ,--nearly 26 (mentaly) but my bones are old.

Manie B

10-28-2009, 09:55 AM

he he Frosty the man ;)

masalai

10-29-2009, 01:28 AM

Todays images are a progression of yesterdays announcement:D:D

Manie B

10-29-2009, 02:03 AM

Mas this is getting kinda confusing for this old fart

please post a drawing ( hand sketch ok ) of the layout
where are the fridges generator etc and and going to go

Manie B

10-29-2009, 02:04 AM

sorry plan view :D

masalai

10-29-2009, 03:42 AM

Do not have any plans at home, but here is one that was posted before (I think?)

From aft going forward, Aft berths P & S will now carry under the forward half 150L potable water each P & S... - The batteries relocated on starboard, to up near the genset which is forward of the mast to Port...

From Aft going forward again fixed pair of seats (storage under), then Frige to Port, Freezer on Starboard, then forward to "dry" bench to port with 240VAC cooktop and "wet" bench, washing basin starboard... then steps down P & S with - - steering and electronic nav overhead, steering compass midships, aft the mast...

Forward to port, Shower & then toilet, on starboard laundry and washing machine.... Computers may reside in the Starboard berth space.... or ???? where it will fit usefully or sold....

It is all a mystery tour and is being worked out as we go:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

There is talk of a new propeller for the Torqeedo coloured "white" instead of the "orange" existing ones... It is hoped that this will allow slightly better top speed performance... earlier observation trials with twin 4.0-R standard systems on "Schools Out", - unofficial figures of 6.1knots on either engine and 6.4 with both and with a 15knot headwind 6.2knots - hopefully verified with a report to be posted soon.... along with other test data.... I think they are waiting to try the new propellers.... This is on a bigger - and heavier 44-C...

Fanie

10-29-2009, 10:08 AM

HA ! Check your score china :D

Very nice thread Mas, well maintained (guarded :D) with good pictures and a good bit of patience in between the off topic stuff and the hijacks ;)

masalai

10-29-2009, 05:49 PM

One plus from Fanie and one anonymous newbie "indifferent" as it did not count:D:D:D - Oh well, nice to feel appreciated in some way, thanks fellas...:D:D:D - - I get the feeling that Bob "is not happy" as I may end up "overweight" - - don't panic don't panic - spend double the money on unproven battery technology that "promises" to be lighter (well make my wallet lighter anyway):D:D:D or pray that Bert at "Batteries & new Battery Technologies", or someone has a breakthrough:!: and I win lotto....

Us pirates have a code of practice you know..... Or at least that is what is suggested of the Somali mob, and I reckon we on BD.net, are at least, as civilised:?:

hoytedow

10-29-2009, 08:28 PM

At the very least.

masalai

10-29-2009, 11:45 PM

Well I may get into a photo-shoot mood over the weekend, as the team are all into the little jobs and finishing off the week....

Autodafe

10-30-2009, 03:54 AM

Thanks for all the updates Mas, it's great to see a beautiful boat coming together.

For my own info, I was wondering what fibre layup (how many layers, what weight, width) you've got on your chines?

On batteries, from my reading LiFePO4 sound ok for reduced weight and similar lifecycle cost to lead acid, but no hands on experience i'm afraid. Relying on longer lifespan to save money would make me look at brandname batteries with cast iron warranty.
Have you been checking out the EV car conversion web sites? Lots of battery info including feedback from users after some years of use.

masalai

10-30-2009, 05:05 AM

Standard specifications as per the designer Bob Oram... The DuFLEX specifications can be researched from http://www.duflex.com.au/duflex/ or is in this thread - enjoy, I assure you it is a good and informative read with lots of links to other resources and information of relevance to any contemplating a build....

DuFLEX, as it comes from ATL is NOT waterproof, rather it is ready to build with, using epoxy adhesive systems , producing a robust, light and quick construction process that requires minimal fairing... Specifications are in the top link in my signature area (Bob Oram Design) and is maintained by Judy who is building a 44C in Darwin (The Scrumble Project) which is a resource that demands your attention as their build is "perfection" in quality... Another build is near Buderim on the Sunshine Coast - he has built 6, and this the 7th is for himself... We are both launching in April 2010....

I maintain my information by actively reading "new" threads fully and observe the trend before posting except to place an "I appreciate your discussion" so that the system will automatically inform me by email of any further posts....

Don't wish to discuss batteries as the LiFePO4 technology is far too expensive and the BMS not robust enough for extended REMOTE cruising yet.... Land-based "fiddlers" (those who are prepared to try it and see) with access to good market resources have different priorities... I demand something that works - with no fucking about - as that is a luxury that cannot be contemplated at sea when a storm breaks...

Autodafe

10-30-2009, 07:57 PM

Thanks for the links.
I'm actually building out of Ply, but I've been enjoying the Scrumble project site for a while.

masalai

10-30-2009, 08:51 PM

Autodafe
There is a site for John Snells', 'Easy' builders - 'Alan_M' uses it for his build, they build in ply.... I think Alan posted a link in this thread.... when is your launch date?

Latest images, - Not much as the effort is in tidying up and finishing off so it is the galley area and the edges between deck & sides herewith...

Autodafe

11-02-2009, 09:50 PM

Launch March 2011, subject to change, as I'm building myself and I'm not that great at deadlines :)

Thanks, I'll have a look around for that Easy Cat link.

judy

11-02-2009, 10:04 PM

Latest images, - Not much as the effort is in tidying up and finishing off ...

I think you are understating here. You've now got your deck joined to the sheers - that's a huge milestone. One which I am looking forward to on our boat.

masalai

11-02-2009, 11:22 PM

Well Today being the most significant in the Australian calendar, the Dream Team have absconded to celebrate "the running of the Melbourne Cup" - a horse race:D:D:D:o:!::D:D

Judy, My voyage starts with the launch, and the build is a means to an end...

Today's quote: "Answer this conundrum - - If your aim is to fail, and you succeed, which have you achieved:?:" - Think it out very carefully...

Manie B

11-03-2009, 01:01 AM

Mas do you have any pics of how the cable stays attach to your built in chainblocks, i see that they moulded a short piece of stainless tubing in, but what goes thru the tubing?

Boston

11-03-2009, 01:10 AM

a ground politician?
they make a great emergency fuel supply
ground dried and pelleted they dont take up much room for the BTU content
and they come in handy 40lb bags
can be stored in odd size bunkers or even used to fill structural piping
no sense waisting extra space Mas
wouldn't it be nice knowing if you run out of fire logs you can just throw in some politician
kinda lends a whole new kind of satisfaction to a romantic fireside evening

B

masalai

11-03-2009, 02:14 AM

Too many and kinda messy, they could burn in a self sustaining manner once a certain heat level was established, but getting them to jump in and keep the feed up may have some difficulties.... disposal is always a tricky issue - the lemming runs had it sorted... Is that a myth? what induced that behaviour? maybe they should be on that supplement as an automatic expiry/redundancy/disposal system...

masalai

11-03-2009, 02:33 AM

Manie, send me an email and I will reply as the PM and "send email" facility do not allow attachments, and I drew a ROUGH diag as words were not enough

Fanie

11-03-2009, 04:08 AM

"Answer this conundrum - - If your aim is to fail, and you succeed, which have you achieved"
You succeeded to aim... and succeeded not to achieve. You are still successfull !

masalai

11-03-2009, 04:18 AM

But if you succeded to fail then you are successful in failing therefore you failed but if you succeded to succeed, whereas you aimed to fail, then you failed to fail you is fucked either way as a failure...

masalai

11-03-2009, 04:42 AM

Manie B Here is a shot of the glass-chainplate being set up - - the turnbuckle has been removed... the 2 groves were cut with the angle grinder fitted with a diamond cutting blade

masalai

11-03-2009, 08:53 PM

Sore heads from yesterday's booze-up... (not me) hehehe

For Manie, - this shows what must be done... (someone forgot so had to be cleaned out and epoxy fill has to be carefully squeezed in :D:o:D) The rest is just a picture to post as lots of detail work that does not show up well photographically...

Manie B

11-04-2009, 12:14 AM

Thanks Mas :D

Manie B

11-04-2009, 04:15 AM

Manie B

11-04-2009, 04:17 AM

Oh and if anybody ever comes your way and tells them Manie is copying some of your ideas

I am

:D :D :D :D :D

Fanie

11-04-2009, 04:22 AM

Orams can also be built in ply - just like yours, so whats going on in OZ. Something that we dont know or understand?

Easier to buy the completed panels and assemble.

Just ply is not prepared to live on water, the firewood Mas uses is...

masalai

11-04-2009, 04:30 AM

Building the wrong way round but ply is heavier and it saves on one rollover... Actually I thought you would be a candidate for the 30ft cat http://thecoastalpassage.com/cheapcat.html - - Your choice of a mono sort of stunned me...:D:D:D - - I reckon that little cat would make a very good manufacturing project for the Melanesian Islands by teaching the Solomon Islanders & their neighbours in Vanuatu how to build cheap little coastal cargo boats for each village...

Alan M.

11-04-2009, 05:17 AM

Mas i just read the latest TCP and was quite surprised to see a nice Easy going together. Just from your present experience in your neck of the woods, could folks build a basic cat cheaper than an Oram. I am 100% sure of the build method of Oram / Schionning / Bateau / Compaxboats = me (ha ha)

So do they think its cheaper, endless frames and stringers, or it it ignorance?

Orams can also be built in ply - just like yours, so whats going on in OZ. Something that we dont know or understand?

mmmmm - just wondering :(

Ply is cheaper. Probably not by as much as people might think, but it is cheaper.

I think the real attraction of a ply boat compared to a Duflex kit is the up-front financial commitment.

With a kit you're really committing yourself to finish the thing - you have so much money tied up in it, right from the start.

With a ply boat, you can buy some plans, a couple of thousand dollars worth of ply, glass and epoxy, get stuck in for a few weeks, and if you find you suddenly go off the whole idea, just build a bonfire, and it's no great financial loss.

You can build some sensational looking boats in ply too: http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=415&mforum=easy

sabahcat

11-04-2009, 07:36 AM

Ply is cheaper. Probably not by as much as people might think, but it is cheaper.

I think the real attraction of a ply boat compared to a Duflex kit is the up-front financial commitment.

With a kit you're really committing yourself to finish the thing - you have so much money tied up in it, right from the start.

With a ply boat, you can buy some plans, a couple of thousand dollars worth of ply, glass and epoxy, get stuck in for a few weeks, and if you find you suddenly go off the whole idea, just build a bonfire, and it's no great financial loss.

You can build some sensational looking boats in ply too: http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=415&mforum=easy

I dont think its that you can bin the project and only be out of pocket a little bit at all

I am doing my current build and last build by trikle charging

On the first boat I could buy the cedar for 1 hull
Then I could get 30 litres of epoxy and get in a scarfing frenzy.
Get some chipboard, Loft frames and stand
planks
get another 30 litres of resin and some glass
get a few sheets of ply etc etc.

A few hundred here and a few hundred there

The whole time having the funds paying off my house instead of giving ATL $40k to get started

Same this time

A few grand here a few grand there (though I did buy core materials in one hit and buy resin in 44 gallon drums)

Hardly miss the dollars if doing it like that but I would have noticed the $100k paid out in one hit for a kit.

You can build some sensational looking boats in ply too: http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/viewto...15&mforum=easy

Thats not ply is it?

That's a Shaun Arber boat like this one

Shaun Arber Southeaster 46ft cat (http://www.multihulls.net.au/index.php?page=ed&de=34861)

Shit, I may be taking that back, bloody good looking ply if it is and it is at Shaun Arbers yard by the looks.

Alan M.

11-04-2009, 04:53 PM

Essentially that's exactly what I said: the up-front financial commitment is much smaller.

masalai

11-05-2009, 05:45 AM

the Port side decks now also are trimmed and look pretty and the galley is progressing... The new "office with a view"...

masalai

11-06-2009, 09:08 PM

Yesterday afternoons progress and some general shots...

Fanie

11-07-2009, 03:28 AM

Looking better and better Mas !! You can almost sit on it and make lip sounds eh !

masalai

11-07-2009, 03:38 AM

Thanks Fanie, getting difficult to contain a urgent desire to "get a move on" and go sailing... Getting to the really exciting stage:D:D:D when patience is a virtue that must be worked at...

Frosty

11-07-2009, 04:15 AM

Hey ,---I can see it now ---its a boat.

masalai

11-07-2009, 04:52 AM

Hashing must be good for restoring eyesight:D:D Oh royal poobar of the running dogs of booze...

masalai

11-09-2009, 12:07 AM

Images from the build...

masalai

11-09-2009, 12:13 AM

AND.... some more... - - - I need some little gold scales... I bought a bread making machine for the boat and am enjoying the first bake... Bloody lovely bread do I make.... - - Oh the gold scales are to weigh the yeast, as my teaspoon and a half were too big... and it will help me to also weigh the gold I find with my detector:D:D:D

Manie B

11-09-2009, 01:41 AM

What i cant figure out - is why another house :confused:
the boat is fantastic
go and live on it permanently - and dump the house with all the hassles of fixed property :(

masalai

11-09-2009, 02:01 AM

Shhhh, The house is hers, The boat is mine, get the drift?

Frosty

11-09-2009, 02:03 AM

Until the lawyers get involved.

Manie B

11-09-2009, 05:17 AM

oh dear Frosty is having a blue monday

Until the lawyers get involved.

thanks it put a smile on my dail :D

as i was about to say Mas :D seems like a fair deal :D

Alan M.

11-10-2009, 03:37 PM

Thats not ply is it?

That's a Shaun Arber boat like this one

Shaun Arber Southeaster 46ft cat (http://www.multihulls.net.au/index.php?page=ed&de=34861)

Shit, I may be taking that back, bloody good looking ply if it is and it is at Shaun Arbers yard by the looks.

I spent a couple of hours on "Swanning Around" yesterday. Yes, she's ply, and absolutely beautifully built and finished. You wouldn't find a production boat under a million dollars to match. And not many over it.

Makes me feel like a bit of a slackarse, really.

Fanie

11-10-2009, 04:16 PM

slackarse
Nice word :D I should remember that one ;)

Mas, won't you indicate what all the cavities on your pictures are ? If you move office I can see a LOT of waste baskets (and rubbish bins for beer cans :D)

masalai

11-10-2009, 10:54 PM

It is a close up of a mouth and those are cavities in otherwise good teeth:D:?: - places to put stuff, and to do a bit of people smuggling, and put my brewery (easiest way to ensure an adequate supply of beer)...

For those desperate for images of boat build progress, you will have to be patient and wait until tomorrow, as lots of "honey-do's" to be done first... :( .... :D:D:D

Fanie, I just realised I did not respond/answer part of your question... The bins & buckets are used to carry out the rubbish and the lot is incinerated about once a week (the bloody cleaner is a bit retarded and seems to burn the buckets when the stuff will not come out - has not figured out the "tip the bucket upside down to empty it" part yet, but give him time... If I remember, and see him, I will post his image tomorrow night (Thursday night here)... His name is Billy... (always get to know all the workers who contribute in some way...)

All beer on site comes in glass bottles and has a generally yellow label... in a brown bottle...

masalai

11-11-2009, 09:04 PM

Thanks for your collective patiences - I will send them to hospital for recovery - - - the one with a big "XXXX" sign and one can smell the faint whiff of "beer, beautiful Beer...":D:D:D

As promised, Billy Goat was too shy and seems he had jumped the fence - - - looking for a bit on the (other) side, but the last image is of his girlfriend/partner, shyly asking was he eaten?...

Frosty

11-11-2009, 10:31 PM

Hey --you got a new lawn mower.

Thats Kiwi porn that is, a goat is like a top model compared to a sheep.

Shes got lovely eyes!!

WestVanHan

11-11-2009, 10:58 PM

Hey --you got a new lawn mower.

Thats Kiwi porn that is, a goat is like a top model compared to a sheep.

Shes got lovely eyes!!

...and two handy grips.

Mas what's with the tent?
Is it the dunny or is that where you keep The Gimp??

Boat looks nice though.

Boston

11-12-2009, 01:15 AM

those grass eatin horrors will end up standing on the hood of your car in no time
just you wait and see
leaves scratches and dents everywhere

there also kinda fond of peeling the plastic off your car when your looking

best of luck with that
my bet is within the month that bastard ends up in a nice jerk sauce and Saki marinade just waiting for the barby to warm up

cheers
B

masalai

11-12-2009, 01:41 AM

Boston, The meat makes an EXCELLENT curry:D:D:D

WestVanHan, the dunny or is that where you keep The Gimp - - - - Yes...

Thats Kiwi porn that is, a goat is like a top model compared to a sheep. - She's got lovely eyes!! - - - - Posted so you have a poster to remember a loved one..:?:

hoytedow

11-12-2009, 04:59 PM

When I was a little kid(sic) we had goats. I remember my dad bent over a lawn mower he was fixing when 2 of the little grass munchers bounded off his sun-burned back onto a '49 Plymouth, leaving 8 little hoofprints(white on pink) and immediately jumping back onto his back on the return trip to the ground, leaving 16 hoofprints in total. I laughed 'til I cried. My dad thought it slightly less funny, however.

Boston

11-12-2009, 07:22 PM

I had one jump up on a friends car and just about wreck the paint job
week later I paid him the estimated damages and served him a plate of car stompin goat in a lovely wine sauce with all the trimmings.
shoulda seen the smile on his face
poor guy had worked I don't even know how many years restoring that car and that f ing goat demolished the finish in about five seconds

hoytedow

11-12-2009, 07:28 PM

Revenge is not always best served cold, is it?:)
Send recipe. For goat, not revenge.

masalai

11-12-2009, 11:12 PM

Have a look at some pictures that will appeal to a boatie, but not a 'poser' looking to see skin and human type eye-candy... The BOSS allows me 10 seconds to "ogle" that stuff, beyond that is dangerous to my health and future well being... :o :o

Frosty

11-12-2009, 11:57 PM

10 seconds? thats way beyond the time needed for scientific examination.

Looks like it would float now. I put rollers on my kitchen drawers thinking a cat would'nt move about much with no heeling thing. I had to put thumb locks on them. Well at least they had stops on them.

Geeeeezuz I wish I could get away from this bloody forum, I have so much to do.

hoytedow

11-13-2009, 05:35 PM

Mas,
The boat is starting to look veerrry nice.

masalai

11-13-2009, 05:43 PM

The drawers are on "roller like assemblies" with a self close and magnetic system to hold it closed... quite effective... the runners are visible on the drawers and the unfinished positions at the space for the bottom set of drawers...

apex1

11-13-2009, 05:49 PM

Starts looking "maritime" quite nice Mas!

masalai

11-13-2009, 06:35 PM

Now comes the hard part "coach house shape" possibly after the "lagoon style" with near vertical flat tempered-glass windows on sides and on the front a similar look with small opening hatches just under the roofline for ventilation and maybe one or two large opening hatches for egress - but not sure on that yet...

The big issue is deck hardware and positioning of the primary winches for the 35M2 of each of the genoa pair... and what size? I am looking at light air sailing ability and to be able to ghost along nicely in 5Kn true wind....

According to John Hitch, X-IT gets up to 35 degrees apparent, - - I will be happy with about 45deg... Dead beam on to apparent does not work well, so it is either point higher or run a bit lower... Also dead downwind is not efficient (vmg terms) and time and experience with the "hitch-hiker" sail configuration will let me sort out the best response to various situations...

I am feeling that light weight genoa's will best suit my cruising region as I need that "ghosting capability" of early morning starts, and expect to have the windward sail reefed by around 13Kn apparent, and the other will be minimal at 20Kn apparent, - and above - motoring...

Most sailing will be "island hopping" day-runs, hopefully anchored and secured before the seasonal diurnal-thunder-storms (15:00 to 18:00) which mostly seem to pass quickly... I have plotted and marked hundreds of sheltered anchorages, up-mangrove-creeks and other sheltered spots to meet various climatic interruptions... Cyclones are the unpredictable element, and having been through a few, (the worst being "tracey" that ravaged Darwin), I am aware of the some of the risks... I know I need to get to know the ways and limitations of the boat... That will be a big learning curve as it is lighter, and in some ways, potentially more responsive than others in my experience...

Manie B

11-14-2009, 12:50 AM

"lagoon style" with near vertical flat tempered-glass windows

Mas it works well
on my mate's motor cat and the other sailcat you can feel the difference at noon, when that midday sun comes screaming down, the vertical windows are MUCH better, even with a HUGE size difference
anyway you are cruising
my 2 cents - go near vertical

Frosty

11-14-2009, 01:41 AM

Thats a good point, if your not in the tropics it seems to get forgotten about just how uncomfortable the heat and sun can be, especially if your building in cold climes. Plus the flat sided windows would be easy to make a cover and it may just stay on better in storms.

It looks a bit like a Brass band stand but hey.

You would get more head room too.

apex1

11-14-2009, 06:12 AM

Alan M.

11-14-2009, 04:38 PM

"Salter" is an Oram 44C which has vertical front windows on the coachouse, with a "brow" over them. IMO it's been done well, it looks a lot nicer than the Lagoon boats.

"Xtra Chilli" is a bit closer to the FP style, near vertical windows, and again much nicer looking than Lagoons. (IMO)

You could ask Bob to e-mail you some pics of them.

I'll be sailing "Xtra Chilli" down from Mackay tomorrow, so I'll take some pics.

Alternately, my windows are quite heavily raked, and made from clear acrylic but are tinted with a reflective film made for polycarbonate and acrylics. It is very effective at keeping heat out.

http://i25.tinypic.com/f0ygoy.jpg (The boat is no longer in the shed)

You can see there are hatches next to the windows, and they are much more darkly tinted, but even so they allow far more heat in. (When closed)

I have a chart table under them which is a light brown colour, and under the windows it stays quite cool even on hot days, whereas under the hatches it gets much hotter.

Fanie

11-14-2009, 06:02 PM

Eh Mas, I got a beam glassed tonight !
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/boxy-fisher-catamaran-26429-3.html

Regarding slanted windows. The slanted ones in the front, won't they impair visibility more when it rains than when they are less slanted ? Apart from being hotter in the sun I can imagine a slanted window keeps more water on it, especially when sailing to wind.

How about little awnings on the windows to keep the sun out some more ?

hoytedow

11-14-2009, 07:55 PM

Use Rain-X to help with visibility.

apex1

11-14-2009, 07:57 PM

Use a proper design and skimp on Rain-X.

hoytedow

11-14-2009, 08:01 PM

"Use a proper design" advice is good but may be too late for some. They may have already committed their resources on a bad design.

Fanie

11-14-2009, 08:37 PM

The slanted windows have a windage advantage, doesn't have to be a bad design. In cold areas I can think you need all the heat you can get.

hoytedow

11-14-2009, 08:45 PM

Fanie, I didn't mean YOU have a bad design. I mean Rain-X is a fix for those who DO have a bad design.:)

apex1

11-14-2009, 08:46 PM

True.

for both

masalai

11-14-2009, 10:17 PM

Ten images, are they worth any rep points or do they mean I will not get Negative rep for a little while???

masalai

11-14-2009, 10:22 PM

I had to put some text in - what can I do??? - - Last month, and one in Sept, 4 "newbies" gave me rep, and I do not know who to thank (no name entered) - and I can tell they were "newbies" as NO POINTS recorded - so could have been negative - so I also don't know if I did wrong or for what???? FDIK (fucked-dif-I-know)... :D:D:D:D:D But I don't really care because I am really pleased with the boat.... It will do for the rest of my life and maybe the after-life in a "viking funeral"....

Frosty

11-14-2009, 10:39 PM

Those Viking funerals are a bit iffy with health and safety. I know a guy that wrote it into his will, he insisted that the wife be deck hand handling the fenders.

masalai

11-14-2009, 11:05 PM

If he wanted her to be his roast dinner on the journey??? - - but who can deter you when you declare to yourself "Now is the Time", sail out with a full load of "acceleratants" and a box of matches:D:D:D:D:D singing '...When I am 99, change hands...'

Manie B

11-15-2009, 12:23 AM

Mas my points system wont work

so here goes

Zillion points to Mas AND THE DREAM TEAM

and i will look for nice crew for the dream team next week and post under that stoooopid thread started by some idiot ;) looking for sponsors

:D

Frosty

11-15-2009, 12:34 AM

Hey lets get serious, this steering station is no joke, where are you going to sail this thing. the rain and the wind is nothing, the sun will bloody kill you in a day.
I have 2 stations on my boat, I suppose you would think that I drive up top in the sun and down below when its raining,--100% wrong.

The sun will destroy your instruments.

If your day sailing around Aussie then it wont be a prob.

You need a good comfortable seat preferably one you can lie down on and still see forward, you need shade.

Don't forget you gotta be able to see under the sails.

Open sea passages can be made hard or easy by the cockpit.

boat fan

11-15-2009, 12:40 AM

If your day sailing around Aussie then it wont be a prob.

.

Been out under OZ sun lately Frosty ?

40 Degrees C here today ( Sunday ).....39 yesterday .....was 38 on Friday...:rolleyes:

Your`e right ...sun does more damage here than anything else.......

Frosty

11-15-2009, 12:49 AM

Where are you Darwin?, I froze my nuts off in Sydney in Dec 2002, big bush fire year and it was freezing, --well to me it was.

Darling Harbour boat show ---bloody freezing. 2001

I saw Ausies that should have been at work walking across the road in swimming gear with surfboards tied to their ankles, me and the missus was sitting in the car with the windows up trying to keep warm.

One day was so cold I went back to the Hotel I just could'nt work on the boat.

boat fan

11-15-2009, 12:54 AM

Frosty

11-15-2009, 12:59 AM

Too many bloody barbies!!

Fanie

11-15-2009, 02:04 AM

Fanie, I didn't mean YOU have a bad design.
Didn't think you did. I was merely commenting. Another compromise maybe, half windy half slanted would turn out a half bad design only "D

masalai

11-15-2009, 04:30 AM

I am trying to work it out so I can do everything in the shade of the roof (control the sails, steer, start the genset, operate the electric winches and set the course on the autopilot and prepare food)... I have some stuff sorted, (sleep berth or hammock), shower, shit, brush teeth and wash hands (toilet & shower & basin) - shave - nup - grown a beard.. I have yet to finalise fishing (well landing scaleing/gutting I will be a little exposed to the sun & solar reflections from the water), work out the sail handling bit (a mere bagatelle) steering, autopilot, genset & galley are pretty well sorted out - so what else - Oh Anchor winch is electric but the bridle and some bits, I will need to wear a shirt and hat and sarong whilst finishing that bit... - - Well you get the drift and have sailed a boat? so make suggestions... I like Manie's idea of crew to do the hard stuff but they must pay me... How do I work that one?

Thanks for the points 'anonymous' ?????

Manie, for the dream team, I feel that Frosty may have more appropriate offerings as the lads are "marriageable" and need caring wives to distract them from present interests in alcohol and wild socialising events chasing brief encounters of that "fools gold of a reason men succumb to married life" :D :D :o

My music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfVJ11GXzXQ & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLXOWimMY8&feature=related

Frosty

11-15-2009, 05:22 AM

Crew!! Ohh geeezus, never again ever. Ive tried I really have.

Experienced or nothing. Dont ever ever take a landlubber, I tried 3 times all fking disasters could'nt wait to get em off, and lost fiends in the deal too.

The best was one friend of mine brought a tape with him and asked me to put it on soon after we left the dock --Rod Sterwart "we are sailing"

Unless they are women of course, then for some strange reason I can tolerate it.

masalai

11-15-2009, 05:35 AM

They need "marrying off" to settle them down so they can dedicate their lives to building more bloody good boats... (gotta be kind to be cruel) or should that be the other way around???

"We are sailing" is one of the three I will be playing for my "vikings funeral" if I decide to light the match when out of site of land, in about 100 years time... aged 165...

Manie B

11-15-2009, 06:05 AM

Mas the first song is one of my all time favourites
the second, sweet &esus whats going on, screeching bagpipes, farkit no no no

now i need to seriously correct you on some of your perceptions my man

Frosty may have more appropriate offerings

where have you been the last couple of days, Frosty has publicly invited me to "blow over" so that he can "educate" me in matters far more complicated than what the average Saffa can even begin to comprehend :D

steer the lads clear, its a frikken dangerous world out there, hai tai and what ever :P
keep in mind that i am from the "flat earth" society and we still believe that up there on that side of the world "its" sideways :D :D :D
tell the lads that i have some excellent "stock" available from Romania and the Ukraine - outright the most beautifull women on the planet EVERYTHING else doesn't even feature in tenth place :D :D :D

jeeeha bring it on dude :D

Fanie

11-15-2009, 06:42 AM

Just a small correction there... Frosty doesn't blow, he may get blowed but deffenately not blow himself :D

If you play that kinds of music it is better that I stay far away from you guys good grief. I can see how Frosty got some bad experiences with it. It makes me sea sick right here on dry land just thinking about it.

No but serious guys, it sounds to me like you will have to do a bit of introspection and think things through for a change. I mean here's a guy who is obviously high from sniffing Vim or some weird substance, imagining himself sailing, croaking it out on a mic and you fall for it ? No man come on :D Just replace the word sailing with cotching or something, it's more appropriate in any case.

Scrumble

11-15-2009, 07:47 AM

I am trying to work it out so I can do everything in the shade of the roof (control the sails, steer, start the genset, operate the electric winches and set the course on the autopilot and prepare food)... I have some stuff sorted, (sleep berth or hammock), shower, shit, brush teeth and wash hands (toilet & shower & basin) - shave - nup - grown a beard.. I have yet to finalise fishing (well landing scaleing/gutting I will be a little exposed to the sun & solar reflections from the water), work out the sail handling bit (a mere bagatelle) steering, autopilot, genset & galley are pretty well sorted out - so what else - Oh Anchor winch is electric but the bridle and some bits, I will need to wear a shirt and hat and sarong whilst finishing that bit... - - Well you get the drift and have sailed a boat? so make suggestions... I like Manie's idea of crew to do the hard stuff but they must pay me... How do I work that one?

Masalai,

Two words to help arrange control location together, in the shade and with visibility - "Front Cockpit". Leave aft cockpits for leisure.

hoytedow

11-15-2009, 09:17 AM

Mas,

Buy a hat.

masalai

11-15-2009, 05:21 PM

I like the forward cockpit concept, but The hitch-hiker sail-plan is an aft managed rig, - and - access is the problem that I cannot satisfactorily resolve as the mast bulkhead beam must perform its function... - in retrospect the 44C would have been a better basis, but my 39C will have to be, and will have to accommodate my needs forever more...

I originally wanted a front cockpit, but the hitch-hiker sail-plan is an aft managed layout, best served by two winches near midships, right aft where the main-sheet traveller used to go... a sheet either side when close hauled or both sheets on leeward side for reaching... Ideally, the close hauled sheet blocks need to be as far aft as is possible (just forward of - attached to the base - of the aft stays), and outboard or near the sheer line of the hull for the close-hauled & reaching leeward sail sheet... A snap-block equidistant inboard of the hull centreline for the windward close hauled sail sheet... The windward sail sheet could go to the original, (now not used for standing rig stay), midships chainplate on the leeward side for all reaching and downwind tacking... Sails are never set "wing-on-wing" as that just does not work... (is that clear as mud) or should I post a graphic - that would take a week or so...

With no fixed agenda or prescribed need to make a passage by a predetermined date, most sailing will be "downhill" or broad reach at most - unless she goes soooo fast that the apparent breeze seems to keep moving forward:D:D:D - in my dreams:D:D any variation will mean powered movement...

I have several hats - I hate hats, as they persist in blowing off, or not doing the job of shading my head/face/neck:D:D:D or obscuring my vision or flapping and becoming annoying or act like some thermal device causing excessive sweating, and windshield wipers do not work on my eye-glasses... I know - excuses, excuses:D:P:P

downunder

11-15-2009, 05:51 PM

Found this 40ft vessel in Port at Cardwell

Owner designed and built w red cedar. Well designed to max shade in cockpit and room in saloon , very cool temp on board - high bridgedeck. Traditional sailers might not like raised steering ststion on stern but high steering station is important navigating the excellent anchorages amongst coral reefs of coral sea and barrier reef which many sailors steer clear of.

Apparently owner is considering selling vessel due to health issues.

Perhaps it can assist with cockpit shading /saloon window concepts mas.

37395

masalai

11-15-2009, 06:18 PM

Neat, and I too am not keen on the aft flybridge (clever use of the davits though:D:D) Thanks...

downunder

11-15-2009, 06:22 PM

I recently visited marinas from Mackay to Port Douglas looking for concepts to assist my planning for a 45ft vessel down the track. what stood out was the lack of shade and poor design of cockpits and saloon for the tropic climate. The vessel above was well planned in this regard and not a commercial design. Whilst Mas, you might consider the Freeflow 44/46 a gin palace it is a new Aussie design taking taking this important consideration seriously. http://www.freeflowcatamarans.com.au/FF44.aspx

masalai

11-15-2009, 06:54 PM

Getting there, thanks downunder... Why did you not make an offer on the 40ft at Cardwell?

A tradition, it seems with Oram designs, is to do your own thing on the coach-house shape and I will be no exception - I like the sensibility of the "lagoon" with its near vertical windows, overhanging brow front and sides - and -

I have a strong desire to extend the roofline full width aft to shade even the "duckboard" area and embed the davits into the roof section... effectively making a larger relative permanent shaded area... - and -

I am planning the sheet and deck hardware location to reduce the need to go out in the tropical sun, as I am neither a mad dog or Englishman... Both Lovely Lady and self are averse to direct sun exposure... She with skin as smoothe as milk chocolate and me fair as an .... (albino/virgin-maiden) - well not really :D:D:D more burnt to being almost raw scar tissue... :o

Frosty

11-15-2009, 08:24 PM

Given any thought to rain water catching? Like deck fils near a flooding area?

downunder

11-15-2009, 09:33 PM

" A tradition, it seems with Oram designs, is to do your own thing on the coach-house shape and I will be no exception - I like the sensibility of the "lagoon" with its near vertical windows, overhanging brow front and sides - and -

I have a strong desire to extend the roofline full width aft to shade even the "duckboard" area and embed the davits into the roof section... effectively making a larger relative permanent shaded area... - and - "

definitely way to go for tropics

masalai

11-15-2009, 10:57 PM

Yes Frosty, and went Reverse Ozmosis equipment to get pure-potable-water from sea water at between 60 and 120Litres/hour - reliable.... How long does it take to wash the salt and whatever from the decks, sails and elsewhere, and that bloody murderously toxic stuff that spilled the other week, did you manage to wash it all off:?:

apex1

11-16-2009, 06:57 AM

Mas you need about 15 liter per minute to rinse the boat (sails I dunno). So a boat your size will be washed down in about 2 - 3 minutes I think.

cheers
Richard

Bob Oram

11-17-2009, 05:08 AM

Brian,
Oram owners are not left to their own devices when it comes to cabin profiles at all.
There are complete cabin drawings and a set of temporary frames available [always have been] if you wish to do the standard cabin.
You and I have discussed your cabin profile and as I have stated, when you are ready we'll discuss it.
Or as I suggested the other day, you draw your ideas and send them to me and if they make sense we will try to incorporate them into the boat.
This is called design flexibility. so feel free to correct you post.

I am very aware of the need for sun protection in Australia [having worked outside in the tropics all my life].
Using front cockpits for sail work actually means less exposure to the elements, [count how long it takes to climb onto the side decks then walk around the cabin to the mast and back again, now count how long it takes to walk out through the front door into the front cockpit and back].
In fact a lot of the time when using a front cockpit sometimes there is actually no exposure to either the sun or wind.
Very few people have had experience with front cockpits so can't appreciate the many advantages.
I did my first front cockpit boat in 1998.
I would never have a conventional bridgedeck boat again without a front cockpit.
They have no equal with regard to safety and generally the boat will average higher speeds.
This is because the front cockpit is so easy to access and work in that there is no hesitation in going forward to reef or shake a reef out.
In Mango I could put a reef in the main at night by myself in about 3 minutes without exposing myself to any danger and even in 20 knots I wouldn't bother with wet weather gear as I simply didn't get wet.
I also tell all my owners, "don't hesitate to put a reef in the main as soon as you are thinking of it as usually the boat will actually go faster".
Again if you havn't got 'real' experience you won't know.

Fanie

11-17-2009, 05:34 AM

Hi Bob,

Let him walk, he probably needs the exersize :D

I like the front exit idea.

Frosty made a nice point, catching up rain water. I can see this can become a valuable asset if it exists. You can wash the rain catching area before, even with sea water.

masalai

11-17-2009, 05:47 AM

Sorry Bob - Not meaning to be presumptuous, just thinking aloud, but the rig I seek is sort of unique and I have no experience in sailing it but lots of analysing time and pondering the suitability of the twin genoa setup for my needs, age, intended cruising region and "passages" being mostly short hops between islands... I am content with the twin genoa sail plan and its constraints (a mostly downwind light airs sail boat)...

I am supremely confident in your design and inherent strength of systems - but am questioning my physical strength in some adverse situations, prefering powered genoa sheet winches and manual winches for furling/reefing lines... light air work I would use winch handles but power is a backup that I would appreciate and also still thinking and visualising situations and how to respond... I am working on the things you suggested I draw up, and by thinking aloud often sort myself out along the way...

The cabin profile thing may have been a tongue in cheek comment that I did not detect as such... This will be my one and only build and whatever, will not likely sell it... as it is uniquely me... I have seen pictures of Salter & Xtra Chilli, and the Salter cabin shape is very appealing... 'Mast mounted on the roof' is just seeking how to make the best space for the genset hatch...

masalai

11-17-2009, 06:02 AM

Fanie, rain is seasonal and not really reliable enough to justify such modifications and plumbing. The best response can be equalled by stringing up a temporary plastic sheet and scooping out what is caught and filling plastic "jerry cans"...

masalai

11-17-2009, 09:25 PM

Hi Fanie,
Works OK here for the flying doctor service, which is INLAND/ DESERT-country service, - - NO effective Government service HF offshore, - - so the grey nomads use the stuff for their wanderings in Winnebago and other forms of mobile (land) dwellings (marine frequencies locked out)... Why did you not buy a marine system like ICOM, and a few others - boy do you like things "the hard way" :D:D:D At a guess and with a quick google search Tait look like they specialise in commercial land mobile communications, although they do have a few marine offerings - but I would guess that their heart is not in marine HFSSB stuff...

- - Have you been raiding museum surplus stores?, haven't heard of Tait for ages and ages:o...

The gps licence, I guess is US "patented receiver" related shit, and / or relates to the land based operation where the gps location can be read by the "flying doctor" and related emergency services for which a regular registration fee would be required from the "Flying Doctor" or other related service - - - so "me-no-savvy-masta"...

No idea who they are but by searching google for Australian sites I got
- http://www.lakecomm.com.au/hfmarine.html - and -
- http://www.radtelnetwork.com.au/wheretobuy.html - and -
- http://www.aquatronics.com.au/product/icom/icom_hf_marine_radio_and_tuner_package - and -
- http://www.geraldton-volunteer-sea-rescue.org.au/marine-radios.php - and -
- http://www.vhfradioonline.com/ as well as lots of others, loosely answering to - - HF marine radio - - Australia...

I got rid of all the stuff (information) I had on HF - - an amateur licensed system being one alternative suggested for HF, as the amateur (ham) community, as well as, Australian Volunteer Coastguard, still operate some Pacific and Australian waters networks...

I am going sat-phone, but not yet, as prices are coming down and technology improving, so, I hope/expect to be able to include FAX & email text services by the time I am ready, until then, VHF marine with the international channels will suffice, (30 mile range), and even allow me to call stray tankers that do not answer in English & cannot turn in time to avoid running me down... (Not likely, 'silver-grey-haired-old-man', not "blond girl" in a pink boat on a circumnavigation):D:o

On this site you can zoom in and identify many ships by AIS and get information on speeds - they move at 22+knots so tell Manie to keep a good lookout, as I guess they would take a half hour to slow down and stop as a minimum.... http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?centerx=30&centery=25&zoom=2&level1=140 It does not seem to be able to track mid ocean :o :o :o :o :!:

masalai

11-18-2009, 05:04 PM

Just put your ham radio in the boat and reprogram in the marine frequencies??? or whatever the Pacific yachties net is useful in HF - I know not of other HF nets, except for some Austrlaian Volunteer Coastuard stations that still use HF... I just have an ROCPR (or whatever it is called -Restricted radio operators certificate of competence, voice)

Bob Oram

11-18-2009, 06:37 PM

I should clarify that I actually mean twin cockpits, that is; There is an aft cockpit as well as a forward cockpit.
The aft cockpit is a little smaller than a single aft cockpit boat.
The saloon area of the twin/front cockpit boat is actually much more sensible for a cruising boat whether the boat is to be used for tropical or cooler climates. The view forward inside a front cockpit boat is unbeatable and with doors open the flow through ventilation is wonderful in hot weather.
On all my designs from the 39C up the galley can be upstairs and it usually is.
I see a few other designers have now seen the light and offer the front cockpit as an option.
There are a few safety fundamentals that need to be followed though.

masalai

11-18-2009, 07:12 PM

Hi Bob, Thanks for the info...

AaaarrgH, Ka, KA- EACHOOO, someone gave me a cold/flu virus, eyes puffed & watery, nose running like a tap, head pounding and no sleep for the last 2 nights... Lovely Lady says I am one to be avoided when I catch cold - worse than an old misery-guts - - so - - What I am trying to say is that which may have been done this week (including visiting Mum on her 88 birthday), will be postponed to next week.... or later?....

hoytedow

11-18-2009, 07:19 PM

For cold, zinc has been recommended..

masalai

11-18-2009, 07:20 PM

Fired from a gun? :D:?:

hoytedow

11-18-2009, 07:26 PM

See www.quantumhealth.com/.../zinc_against_common_cold.html

masalai

11-18-2009, 07:30 PM

hoytedow, Thanks, Lovely lady is bombing me with a mix including; horse radish, garlic, vitamin C and other stuff, probably includes Zinc... (is that a kitchen wash bowl with a heavy N Euro accent?)

Errr, Ummm, both your links fail:?: May I suggest that you copy the link from where your browser displays where you are at... BD.net removes lots of stuff from a web-link when you paste so activate that link and copy the link from that opened web-page...

hoytedow

11-18-2009, 07:44 PM

www.merck.com/mmhe/sec25/ch310/ch310ab.html

hoytedow

11-18-2009, 07:54 PM

www.quantumhealth.com, then look up medicinal zinc

hoytedow

11-18-2009, 07:56 PM

Good luck and good night.

masalai

11-20-2009, 01:37 AM

Hello World, - - The masalai is feeling much better (physically) - the bloodshot eyes are from an overdose of alcohol - Maybe viruses do not take kindly to the drink:D:D - If you believe that lie - heaven forbid, that I am getting the touch of a politician - no No NO:!:... On a less tongue in cheek? note - the only pain I have, is from chest and stomach muscles enduring the almost constant coughing... I am reminded of that lass in USA with a coughing affliction - must be painful - my sympathies - I hope she finds a cure...

The berths, it seems have to have a "roof" as that is part of the engineering on which are mounted the winches and also because of the aft chainplate to handle the loads there... (also puts an end to any ideas of "breakfast on bed" - by standing on the bed and cooking breakfast,,,:D:D:D)

Team leader is waiting the delivery of "the helicopter" a massive instrument to fair large areas... Eliminating the "long board fairing tool" torture and replacing it with the pneumatic noise of air powered ???... I think the best bet is to try to get a picture when it arrives...

I measured the height clearance of the engine bay, and I may need a "power-bulge" - - but more likely sell that cute Kubota genset and buy 2 smaller units - - http://www.wattagan.com.au/index.html?target=p_8.html&lang=en-us - - time will tell and another lesson learned the hard way:D:D... I may sell the Kubota to our land home and become "OFF CIRCUIT" for the mains electricity as we are also planning solar panels for that home too... Or use it in a Melanesian project...

Fanie

11-20-2009, 06:33 PM

Hi Mas,
It looks better and better every day. That friggin washing machine is still in the lounge. I can see in the end it is going to double as a coffee table or a place in which you keep the beer on ice :D

hoytedow

11-20-2009, 06:37 PM

We have a new lass news event. This time it is a sneezing affliction. About 20 times per minute. Previously we had one who was constantly hiccuping.

masalai

11-20-2009, 07:47 PM

The washing machine? well why move it if it is not absolutely necessary? yet... finish painting downstairs, then protect with plastic wrap on the doorway, and place in its place...

The "hiccup" did not make it here, or I did not see it, but the "sneezing" did, as an offbeat news item...

judy

11-20-2009, 08:41 PM

I thought the washing machine was a helmstation placemarker.

masalai

11-20-2009, 09:37 PM

Was, and I figured I could have an effective view from there of the sails and ahead etc - but - I think I will have to accept the engineering constraints of the designer, and my needs may see some changes to comply, (a boat is a compromise?) and I cannot find a genset that is smaller (shorter in height) and lighter so as a pair to make the same output...

A "power bulge" to accommodate if the existing genset which will go in the bay where the vacuum cleaner is resting... Where else? - - In the hold forward of the place where washing machine is supposed to be (starboard equivalent space to the toilet), where the 116 litre holding tank was going to go to balance the black water holding tank for the toilet to port... (same size -116 litres)??? (engine-genset is about the same -poo-full-weight)... - - Wont work because, apart from opening the hatch, too difficult to get enough air in for engine combustion and alternator cooling...:o:?:

That would mean I do not need external hatches for where the forward berths used to be and could access them via little Crawl in doors Shower recess to port and matched space Starboard, (or maybe even smaller hatches on foredeck) and keep stuff in there such as HWS, RO watermaker, ships 12V or 24V batteries (nav, bilge pumps, nav lights etc) docking fenders, water and fuel containers(empty), spare ropes etc...

???Could the 4 x 20Kg batteries for the Torqeedo outboards go in the space under that where the mainsheet track used to be???, (no mainsheet now)? - - and to save on 3 genoa winches could the 2 main winches go on top say, 500mills either side of the centre? or is the engineering determinant such that they must reside over the aft berths (both being used only when "pointing high"), meaning a third one still on the mainsheet (centred) track bulkhead when both genoa sheet feeds will go leeward side...? (Broad to downwind)...

When pointing high, if it is "absolutely NECESSARY" to go forward, go and return on the leeward side of the boat, holding onto the roof edge handrails... Otherwise go forward on the windward side... - Nothing to do forward except when anchoring and coming alongside... (when the boat is in normal operation)... X-IT even does anchor bridles and winching from inside "forward cabin", and there is no easy fore deck access under way and too big for most marina berths:D:D:D...

judy

11-20-2009, 09:54 PM

- - and to save on 3 genoa winches could the 2 main winches go on top say, 500mills either side of the centre? or is the engineering determinant such that they must reside over the aft berths (both being used only when "pointing high"), meaning a third one still on the mainsheet (centred) track bulkhead when both genoa sheet feeds will go leeward side...? (Broad to downwind)...

When pointing high, if it is "absolutely NECESSARY" to go forward, go and return on the leeward side of the boat, holding onto the roof edge handrails... Otherwise go forward on the windward side... - Nothing to do forward except when anchoring and coming alongside... (when the boat is in normal operation)... X-IT even does anchor bridles and winching from inside "forward cabin", and there is no easy fore deck access under way and too big for most marina berths:D:D:D...

Could you revisit your original forward cockpit plan? Perhaps it need not be so big, just slightly wider than the dimensions of the "washing machine", so you can still fit past to go down the companionways.

We intend to have our winches on the foredeck, accessible from the forward cockpit, and using turning blocks to get the genoa lines back forward. Heck, Gunboats get their mainsheets back to the forward cockpit, so I don't see it would be too difficult. We have plenty of room on the sidedecks for all this manipulation, as they will be used for little else. BTW our f/cockpit will be (possibly larger than it need be at) 1000mm deep (forward/aft) and 1500mm wide, with an access door on the starboard side, not in the back wall as in the plans.

judy

11-20-2009, 10:36 PM

Just another thought - a trapezoid shaped forward cockpit could be the answer - say 1000mm wide at the mast beam and 600mm wide at the back.

masalai

11-20-2009, 11:02 PM

Hi Judy, Thanks for your intervention, and input...

I was keen on the concept of the forward cockpit, but I think a revision of this shot home in my mind when I saw how the John Hitch design worked, and John was nice enough to explain the systems, the sheets come way aft anyway, so why take them back forward, as on the aft bridgdeck, I would always be in the shade, near the galley and everything needed, and I do not really need the 'romance of wind and salt spray in my disappearing hair':D:D - - As much as the gunboat impresses, to me, it is a day/weekend racer with luxury and a marina man to clean it up ready for the next weekend, and less of a permanent live aboard cruiser for an "ageing lazy old coot"...

I also realised that the sheet points need to be moved slightly when "pointing high", as the windward sail must be sheeted further inboard (about the width of the hull) and the leeward sheet near the outer edge of the hull line... and for all other points both sheets go to the leeward side... That philosophical change took me quite a while to get my head around... The hitch-hiker sailplan defies accepted in-line-sail-plan thinking... Don't point too high but go for VMG both to windward and tack on downwind work using VMG... Never with the apparent wind close to dead astern, and either head up or down wind to keep both sails working if apparent is beam on as shadowing kills efficiency, else reef the windward sail in beam-on cases... I will likely sail from "ghosting" in early mornings etc., to 20knots apparent, else motor...

On "just another thought" (post #941), the space between is just under 2metres, pretty squeezy? and from the mast beam/bulkhead back to the galley is 550mm ish, (less than 600mm) The washing machine just fits down the stairs carried with fingers underneath, at the bottom, stood up, manoeuvred around to face back first then manipulated into position - a tight squeeze... and it is a small machine...

If I had the luxury of building again I would do the same but on a 44C design as the accommodation seems better suited (headroom wise) and seek an engineering redesign so the aft chainplates and sheets could be further aft and slightly more mast tilt to better balance the sails, - - - but then again I am inclined to feel, with slightly better headroom in some places the 39C is almost perfect...

masalai

11-21-2009, 12:37 AM

Originally referenced by Judy, Posted by masalai
- - and to save on 3 genoa winches could the 2 main winches go on top say, 500mills either side of the centre? or is the engineering determinant such that they must reside over the aft berths (both being used only when "pointing high"), meaning a third one still on the mainsheet (centred) track bulkhead when both genoa sheet feeds will go leeward side...? (Broad to downwind)...

With appropriate camcleats or whatever feeding both sides of the winch would just one large-ish electric winch (with manual handle socket on top) be appropriate to mount midships (or anywhere else), on the mainsheet (not-now-used) track bulkhead assembly? - possibly not as both on self-tailing-winches would facilitate any necessary trim adjustments...