Congrats USA

[lazeyjack]

You did the right thing!!
wonderful, you picked a man who will not want to control the world, but who will educate the masses,
Watch the worlds leaders embrace this man!!

[Landlubber]

Lets just hope that the Clintons do not get to interfer with him mate!

[Mychael]

Certainly a landmark occasion for the Yanks and flow on to the rest of the world. They're choosing wisely me thinks.

Mychael

[Mychael]

Still a little ironic/sad though, that whilst probably most of the world was watching/discussing what happened there that your average yank barely knows about the world outside his own borders.

Mychael

[eponodyne]

Well, maybe so. Thank you all for your good wishes and kind thoughts (and having kept them for us for the past lord knows how long). We are no more perfect than any other assembly of mere mortals with feet of clay, but I think we've always thought of ourselves as willing to try harder... rightly or wrongly.

In any event, what President-Elect Obama said last night is very true: This is only the chance to create change. there is still an awful lot of work to be done.

now, you mob are a reasonable lot (even Mr Herron when he's not too drunk LOL): What can we do to be helpful to to the rest of the world? And what unswept corners of our house do you notice?

How can we do better than we have?

[RHP]

With the greatest of respect Mr Eponodyne, if you have to ask us where the US has gone wrong and what needs to be addressed then clearly you have had your head in the sand for the last 8 years. Your best allies as well as the non-aligned have been ringing it out for years and you havent heard (or you havent listened?).

Anyway.... fingers cross for Obamaman.

[daiquiri]

I'm joining the congratulatons to US voters for the wise choice! :D
For too many years I was watching the US from outside, thinking about how lucky I was to live in Europe.
Now I think you have a chance to change that completely. Wish we had a guy like Obama here in Italy.

[Manie B]

From deepest darkest South Africa - this certainly spells hope - congrats

i am no politician - but i am not blind either - it looks a whole lot better from this angle

[juiceclark]

Mychael,
This Yank has been all over the world over and over. It's nice to get away once in awhile, but it is really, really nice to return home. Whether led by a socialist like Bush and Obama or a capitalist like Reagan, America is the example for the rest of you to follow and admire.

[murdomack]

While I was pleased for the American people in their choice, I also felt that a good man had lost, John McCain came across as a thoroughly good man in his losers speech.

There's hope for this crazy world yet.

[lazeyjack]

Mychael,
This Yank has been all over the world over and over. It's nice to get away once in awhile, but it is really, really nice to return home. Whether led by a socialist like Bush and Obama or a capitalist like Reagan, America is the example for the rest of you to follow and admire.

in only some ways, you really are not at all free, when your leaders have to speak behind glass, De Gaulle, although had many attempts on his life, refused to be closeted . Obama, iss a brave and marked man, perhaps towards the ends of his first office tenure he will try one again to regulate the crazies, the gun lobby, until you get rid of weapons which are not at all needed in modern society you are always going to live with the threat of assasination and murder
So I know where I would rather live

[kach22i]

After the past two elections got stolen and a fraud has been allowed to wrongfully occupy the Whitehouse, it is nice to see democracy return to the USA after a eight year hiatus.

Thank you my fellow Americans.

The 20 years worth of damage done in the past eight years may never be repaired. The smash and grab vandals reign is over, may our lesson be learned by future generations.

[StianM]

I think it can be a healthy change.
I remember my history teatcher did not belive in a black american president, but it just hapend.

[Fanie]

Hi Eponodyne

What can we do to be helpful to to the rest of the world?

Man, am I glad you asked :D You can come help me finish my boat :D That would really be helpfull.



I've always had good experiences with the US guys for the most part, I hope your stuff works out. Come visit us again with your nuclear boat ;) we'll just have to educate the idiots here a bit :D

If you chose this man for his color, you made a bad choice. If you chose him because he's the best man, you've made the right choice.

Next time get a president that's into boating, ok ? :D

[Meanz Beanz]

Obama is going to be seriously compromised by the global situation. This man, in fact no man, can live up to the expectations that have been generated given what he is going to have to work with. Its a close to impossible challenge to come up roses here even if the best course is plotted.

[Mychael]

Mychael,
America is the example for the rest of you to follow and admire.

Well that little comment disturbs me, national pride is one thing and whilst granted that there are worse places in the world to live, if you truly believe your last statement literally as written then to my mind you have epitomised the insular and self centred attitude that America gets itself criticised for.

Mychael

[Meanz Beanz]

Its called being American.... Its mandatory to be arrogant about it, they can't help it :D

[lazeyjack]

bout the only thing I admire bout USA, is Billy Doc, Bill Gates and 747,S, plus, Cummins diesels and um er the list goes on, as far as THINGS go, like Cincinnati lathes, hobart welders,
Once UK led world in things liKe trucks, mo bikes, , things change , agree Mych, well nuffin beats home Juice, cept if,n you were some poor nigger hanging round some oak tree not s'long ago

[hartley]

Beware Of False Prophets.. ( No Not Profits)

Cheers Hartley

[RHP]

Obama is going to be seriously compromised by the global situation. This man, in fact no man, can live up to the expectations that have been generated given what he is going to have to work with. Its a close to impossible challenge to come up roses here even if the best course is plotted.


I was under the impression Roosevelt made America into what it became from the drepression as his starting point? :confused:

[RHP]

Mychael,
This Yank has been all over the world over and over. It's nice to get away once in awhile, but it is really, really nice to return home. Whether led by a socialist like Bush and Obama or a capitalist like Reagan, America is the example for the rest of you to follow and admire.

Juicey, I love American enthusiasm, if only it could be combined with a grain of humility it would indeed be greatest nation on earth.

[PI Design]

Mychael,
This Yank has been all over the world over and over. It's nice to get away once in awhile, but it is really, really nice to return home. Whether led by a socialist like Bush and Obama or a capitalist like Reagan, America is the example for the rest of you to follow and admire.

1. Bush is a socialist?!
2. Are we supoposed to follow and admire your banking system? Your gun laws? Your human rights record? Your litigatious culture? Your foreign policies? Your environmental concerns?

There is much to admire about the US, especially the way it encourages and rewards hard work and creativity, and the people are very polite. But if you think France, Japan, Australia, Holland etc want to be clones of America, you are mistaken.
I would love to spend some time working in America, and of course many Americans believe it to be the best place on earth, but many Italians think that about Italy, the Germans about Germany etc.

[Fanie]

Eh PI,

Some things are there for a reason !! Some are dependant on guns to maintain a wee sliver of order, and not by choice but out of neccesity. Anyone who wants to argue this, come live in SA for a while. People do have the right to defend themselves, contrary to what our gov tries to make us believe. The true joke is the difference between a tourist and a racist is a few days in SA.

I for one admire the US. Good grief, if you just look what they did when and where it is for sure admirable. To name but one example, shiploads of food arive in our harbours for hunger starving philamons. It gets rejected bacause it was not cultivated correctly to their opinion. Are you kiddin me ? Starving people !

So far the US has been a buffer for many evil thing to become dominantly powerfull. It's the same as was the death penalty in SA, now that it's banned, murders have increased considerably, last I heard it was like 75 per day. Who gives a ****, worst that can happen to you if you knock someone off is a jail sentence IF the almost non existing police force does something about it. The US has been (is / was) the death sentence other countries respected and kept in line because of it.

There is much that can be said on this, but the US and what they stood for to now is admirable for sure.

If the US can pls come sort zim and our crap out here, I'm putting a US sticker on my car !!

[RHP]

"But if you think France, Japan, Australia, Holland etc want to be clones of America, you are mistaken."

Surely the Dutch are more arrogant than the Americans? :D

[Fanie]

Surely the Dutch are more arrogant than the Americans?

Depends who is asking ;)

[kach22i]

I was under the impression Roosevelt made America into what it became from the drepression as his starting point? :confused:
I think we are in a similar situation, maybe Obama will end up on the dime and not Reagan.:D

[juiceclark]

Well that little comment disturbs me, national pride is one thing and whilst granted that there are worse places in the world to live, if you truly believe your last statement literally as written then to my mind you have epitomised the insular and self centred attitude that America gets itself criticised for.

Mychael

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Mychael, (and RHP) My post was a response to yours when you wrote: Still a little ironic/sad though, that whilst probably most of the world was watching/discussing what happened there that your average yank barely knows about the world outside his own borders.

I'm sorry, did you think you could just be derogatory toward me and not receive a response taylored to raise your ire? Referring to Americans as a backward group of untraveled rednecks is a rather impolite and quite incorrect stereotype. In fact, I see the BBC cable news had the largest gain in viewers last month here in the States.

Several found fault with my response but none with the original offense. This is a common microcosm of world attitudes toward America - a double standard. When a tsunami washes over your cities or the bully across the border rattles his sabre, everyone comes running to the good ol' USA for help. That's why we've given 3-fold the foreign aid of any other country on Earth every year for decades. That's why we pay for our Navy to patrol the world's shipping lanes to protect your products. ETC.! How does that reflect a self-absorbed society? And Mychael calls us "self-centred?" Perhaps, Mychael just doesn't know better. There's a large movement in the US to become "self-centred" and isolationist. If that happens, the world may quickly fall into a bloody mess of religious wars and Soviet rebirth and global trade will stop. Thus, we won't have much time to discuss our lil' boat designs will we?!

Most of all, you Aussies really surprise me. Your former Prime Minister was a great, strong leader. He understood world threats and knew what we free countries must do. But I guess the developed world's current counter-culture culture, where ol' 60s hippies are running the show, just can't allow for strong leaders who are willing to pay politically to do the right thing. It's just so much easier and cooler to criticize those trying to make a difference than to get off your own ass. Here in the US, we just elected a Marxist with zero experience - he's never even had a job! I'd trade freakin' Obama for Howard anytime - and would throw in all the Fosters you could take.

<<thank you, I feel much better - and Fanie, thank you! If only one appreciates our sacrifice of blood and treasure, all was worthwhile>>

[daiquiri]

Here in the US, we just elected a Marxist with zero experience - he's never even had a job! I'd trade freakin' Obama for Howard anytime - and would throw in all the Fosters you could take.

That's curious. what is that makes Obama a Marxist? :confused:

And how much do you appreciate a someone's education?
Should we talk about cultural background of Obama vs. that of G.W.Bush?

As about America's blood and sacrifice - yes, some 60 yrs ago you did things the whole world is grateful for.
Ever since that you just fought wars around the world for your national interests, or to resolve mess created by your own governments.

[eponodyne]

Please, everybody, understand that not eveybody's as quick to ire as Mr Juice above here. I certainly wouldn'thave worded things like he did the first go-around. I know that the USA doesn't have a corner on the nationalistic fervor market, but it does seem a little overweening in a thread like this. I would love to go to SA and help with yer boat; I would love to arrive there with a shipment of grain (I didn't know about shipments being rejected!).

I'm sorry we elected such a douchecannon to make you-all nervous for the past 8 years. I fully believe we will have a good and decent man in office-- and if he's a little red around the edges, well, that probably won't hurt us too much. I don't think he is, though.

I hope we can look forward to more diplomatic solutions, and more acreage under tillage so we can feed the hungry. I hope that national health care becomes available so that HIV medications can be made more availabel to sub-Saharan Africa. I hope we can start to lead by example, not by force. I hope you all can come visit one day, and travel around this amazing piece of the planet--that you can see Lake Superior in full storm. That you can see Wisconsin in the autumn, and springtime in the Rockies. Come and watch a small-town Independance Day parade.

That is where the heart of the US is. Not in the White House but in the love of its citizens for where they live.



As long as we keep that a little further in front, we should do fine. Thank you all very much for your patience and support.

[daiquiri]

I hope you all can come visit one day, and travel around this amazing piece of the planet--that you can see Lake Superior in full storm. That you can see Wisconsin in the autumn, and springtime in the Rockies. Come and watch a small-town Independance Day parade.
That is where the heart of the US is. Not in the White House but in the love of its citizens for where they live.


I've been there and I said what I think about it in this post: http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/w-24590.html#post233004
so I absolutely agree with your words. :)

[kach22i]

FYI: Obama photos

Link:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/the_next_president_of_the_unit.html

Some great photos in there.

[daiquiri]

FYI: Obama photos
Link:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/the_next_president_of_the_unit.html
Some great photos in there.

Some great photos indeed and I invite Juiceclark to reflect upon the photo N.15 .

[Fanie]

Darn generous of you Eponodyne
I would love to go to SA and help with yer boat
Taken, I'm mailing a copy of this to my lawyer as I type :D

Stop worrying, you guys are going to be ok !

This is almost an international vote now :D I vote for Masalai as Presedent :D

[Wynand N]

Here in the US, we just elected a Marxist with zero experience - he's never even had a job!

Priceless..:D :D

and I thought it was only happening in South Africa:confused: :confused: affirmative action that is....

Actually, over here you have to add a few more "qualifications" to qualify for the presidency; Jailbird, communist, terrorist, rapist, corrupted to name but a few;)

[Butch .H]

We have our third Black President in South Africa.What is the big deal Yanks ?Some of the same that elected GW have now voted for BO does that fix the mess?Chest pounding patronising does not make you a great nation.Hard work will restore the greatness of your nation not the fact that you voted a "Black Man" as president. You voted him in cause he is the most suitable man for the job.BO is a good person good luck to him. You should all read the book "The Last Brave Generation" and strive to instill those values expressed by the last brave generation(Vets from WW11 Korea and Nam)

[juiceclark]

Epo...My post wasn't worded as well that's for damn sure! It's just hard to accent the positive on these international sites when I'm taxed to hell and our government sends hundreds of billions overseas. Then, so many take such glee in talking about American's self-interest.

As a Wisconsin native who has experienced the season change there as well as the aged cheddar, I will try to meet sassy nay-sayers with more a more positive response...yet equally factual.

[RHP]

[QUOTE=juiceclark;236459]====================================

Referring to Americans as a backward group of untraveled rednecks is a rather impolite and quite incorrect stereotype. In fact, I see the BBC cable news had the largest gain in viewers last month here in the States.

That's why we pay for our Navy to patrol the world's shipping lanes to protect your products. ETC.! How does that reflect a self-absorbed society?


I have to say Juice, I love some of your comments. :D

Why do you think the yanks tune into the BBC......? Wouldnt actually be to find out whats going on as opposed to the horrendous domestic channels you guys have over there?

And you wonderfully protecting the seas..... my man.... thats what empires do... you didnt invent it. If you want to have an empire you have to rule the seas, not to waste your time chasing Popeye the Pirate but to ensure no one threatens your dominance.

What else is going on fella, markets are still falling so quite happy to be out of shares. :eek:

[masalai]

Fanie the person who started this thread would counter your endorsement and likely make him very angry... hehehe :D

[Fanie]

Oh dear :o Well, I guess one could not be right all the time. It was meant on the lighter side. Really Lazey reeeeally :D
Seems between the wife and the forum I'm just always it trouble.
Mail the ten lashes... :o

[masalai]

Not from me - I see the humour :D:D:D:D - LJ can go to Poland as he promised...

[Fanie]

I heard differently. I heard he was going to Buderim, Queensland, Australia to settle some score there first :D

[lazeyjack]

fanie you dopey bugger I live in Buderim
amd mas gave me neg for my commennts in crude oil
I met this guy in person, his foul language and disregard for female sex, put me off for life!!
this was in MY house where I invited him for coffee
so belt up you fraud, your pathetic boat model that so many tried help you with, but do you listen? nope youa re just kidding all those around you and yourself, get a life for Gods sakes

[Fanie]

he he... you do ? No wonder you want to leave :D

[lazeyjack]

he he... you do ? No wonder you want to leave :D

I have to leave, helens fund manager lost most her money so we need to start over in many ways, wont hurt me, our here is a plastic society
Funny this guy accuses me in his neg of slander, smile, he has been knocking every darned man in the world since being here,
without actaully contributing to knowledge base in the forums,
i exposed ole walrus for the fake he is, and I spose frosty another foul mouthed drunken slob is residing somewhere? maybe a guest of the prison service:)

[Geoh]

NONE OF THE ABOVE>>>we did not HAVE A QUALIFIED CANIDATE FROM EITHER PARTY...sad.....Don't know what the answer is....

[lazeyjack]

NONE OF THE ABOVE>>>we did not HAVE A QUALIFIED CANIDATE FROM EITHER PARTY...sad.....Don't know what the answer is....

yes, first off pick a man/woman who is multilingual
being multilingual a person would have great experience of the world, that would go a long way
Then have the party elect their man and let him her stand without all this campaign trail stuff
have debates only on national tv, and limit the funding to almost zero, and pay the tv to do thsi from the national purse,keep these debates going for as long as 5 months before an election
In other words elect the candidate for the party on his.her, merits not on wealth or clout
this man may come from building a successful business or some such thing
But hey BO, will now soon reveal his true agenda, one he could not do on the trail, and he will scale back the military and start building schools etc
you need change your election system, it is now just a pantomime

[Wynand N]

But hey BO, will now soon reveal his true agenda, one he could not do on the trail, and he will scale back the military and start building schools etc
you need change your election system, it is now just a pantomime

the presidency is run by business men - the president is just a puppet on a string - and the generals and military dictates. Face it, the military is the biggest business in the USA. There will always another war to be fought to feed that hungry monster, more so if there is some oil or other much needed commodity involved....

[Mychael]

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Mychael, (and RHP) My post was a response to yours when you wrote: Still a little ironic/sad though, that whilst probably most of the world was watching/discussing what happened there that your average yank barely knows about the world outside his own borders.

I'm sorry, did you think you could just be derogatory toward me and not receive a response taylored to raise your ire? Referring to Americans as a backward group of untraveled rednecks is a rather impolite and quite incorrect stereotype. In fact, I see the BBC cable news had the largest gain in viewers last month here in the States.

Several found fault with my response but none with the original offense. This is a common microcosm of world attitudes toward America - a double standard. When a tsunami washes over your cities or the bully across the border rattles his sabre, everyone comes running to the good ol' USA for help. That's why we've given 3-fold the foreign aid of any other country on Earth every year for decades. That's why we pay for our Navy to patrol the world's shipping lanes to protect your products. ETC.! How does that reflect a self-absorbed society? And Mychael calls us "self-centred?" Perhaps, Mychael just doesn't know better. There's a large movement in the US to become "self-centred" and isolationist. If that happens, the world may quickly fall into a bloody mess of religious wars and Soviet rebirth and global trade will stop. Thus, we won't have much time to discuss our lil' boat designs will we?!

Most of all, you Aussies really surprise me. Your former Prime Minister was a great, strong leader. He understood world threats and knew what we free countries must do. But I guess the developed world's current counter-culture culture, where ol' 60s hippies are running the show, just can't allow for strong leaders who are willing to pay politically to do the right thing. It's just so much easier and cooler to criticize those trying to make a difference than to get off your own ass. Here in the US, we just elected a Marxist with zero experience - he's never even had a job! I'd trade freakin' Obama for Howard anytime - and would throw in all the Fosters you could take.

<<thank you, I feel much better - and Fanie, thank you! If only one appreciates our sacrifice of blood and treasure, all was worthwhile>>


And where exactly did I use or even imply the term "backward, untravelled rednecks" bit of self consciousness there perhaps. Don't misquote me for a start.
From the years I have been on various forums, internet chat groups etc, etc,talking with people from America and from the yrs when I worked in government organisations and met many very nice Americans the overwhelming impression I got from them was how little they knew of the world outside of the good ol US of A. From that I made my remark.

About our former prime minister well of course you'd like him, over here the general consensus was he was Bush's puppy dog, so naturally you'd love someone just like you who fitted in with your ideals.

Mychael

[lazeyjack]

Mych, once I was in Diego, met a sailors young bride

She told me they were being transfered to Memphis, I had to tell her what and where, she brightened considerably, I mean FOR GODS sakes An all American gal who has NEVER hreard of Memphis
Dont fret me lad, ya dont get pts for boatbuilding knowledge here, but fer posting bullcrap and jellybeans
Cheer Stu

[harlemriverman]

Mychael,
This Yank has been all over the world over and over. It's nice to get away once in awhile, but it is really, really nice to return home. Whether led by a socialist like Bush and Obama or a capitalist like Reagan, America is the example for the rest of you to follow and admire.

Roger that my American brother.

For all you congratulatory types and self-professed savants of American politics, what you are applauding is our fundamental shift to isolationism, protectionism and labor.

What this election brings to the world is a very large void, coupled with neither political-will nor financial resources to fill it for any reason other than a direct threat to our own borders. Literally.

Parenthetically, for all of you that think we Americans are not in touch with world affairs, most of us are here because we and our forefathers are all too connected with your ways. We read history more than tabloids. And we study what we want to become, not what we don’t. There is little need for Americans to study the current affairs of this world. And what is to come of this world now, with all these congratulations, is something we can readily discern from any history book.

[Mychael]

[QUOTE=harlemriverman;236587

. There is little need for Americans to study the current affairs of this world. .[/QUOTE]



And that gentleman, makes my point succinctly as to the mindset of which I was alluding to and why they will never listen to any insights/opinions other then their own.
My deepest thanks, for such a profound closing line. :D

And now back to boats...:)

Mychael

[eponodyne]

Well voters in Minneapolis, Minnesota overwhelmingly approved an increase in the sales tax (3/8ths of 1%) that will double funding per student per annum. Hopefully some of that will go to geography texts.

I don't know if the rest of the world has a passion for it or what, but I've noticed my fellow citizens are just incredibly bad at geography, both natural and political. I understand getting confused about all those little countries in and around the bight of Benin; and the former Yugoslavia/Balkan States; but when almost a third of our citizens can't name their own states on a map, that's sad as hell.

It's too bad more US citizens don't travel internationally. On second thought maybe it's just as well, eh?

[kach22i]

NONE OF THE ABOVE>>>we did not HAVE A QUALIFIED CANIDATE FROM EITHER PARTY...sad.....Don't know what the answer is....

True, people rejected Mitt Romney (R) and Bill Richardson (D).

The people have spoken, and it is drivel.:D

[harlemriverman]

And that gentleman, makes my point succinctly as to the mindset of which I was alluding to and why they will never listen to any insights/opinions other then their own.
My deepest thanks, for such a profound closing line. :D

And now back to boats...:)

Mychael

yes Mychael, the world is all yours and you can keep it.

[juiceclark]

Kach and Harle:
Thanks...I thought the whole world had gone socialist on me....was about to start hoarding canned food and ammo! The foreign guys don't bother me because all they know is what CNN and the major networks tell them - and that news is so liberally biased that the world only receives the statist side of the story.

Romney would have made hamburger out of Obama in the debates - don't know how we nominated a liberal Republican with no business experience! Our choices, indeed, gave us no choice.

I thought you may enjoy a chart from my other vocation. Can there be any doubt people and their standard of living suffer when government grows? In America, there were three big, statist growth spurts in our history: The New Deal (FDR the socialist), The Great Society (Johnson) and the recent end of the Reagan Revolution. Can you find them on this chart of the inflation adjusted Dow:

http://www.chartoftheday.com/20081024.htm?T

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Epo,
Good for your schools. Maybe one day your school funding will approach the highest expense per student area of the country; Washington DC. Of course, their students are also the worst educated. That's what throwing money at a union does without competition. What a waste.

Government doesn't help the common man, a fair and competitive marketplace is what lifts us all. Voting for things that make you feel better while the history/factual data shows your doing harm is the liberal way. Perhaps, you could watch this live, puppy-cam instead of voting to appease your emotions. You'll love it:
http://cdn1.ustream.tv/swf/4/viewer.45.swf?cid=317016

[lazeyjack]

actually Juice, I may not have seen as much of USA as you but I have seen a lot of it, an awful lot
i saw a sign near Housten, two years back, it said"every Texan, deserves 450 horses, with a pic of a pickup truck That says it all, really, you make up 3% of worlds population(somewhere there) and you use half worlds oil, you are incredibly greedy and grabbing, you have done more damage to the world than you will ever ever know, and during the Bush years you became hated Now I travel a lot, and I know that a certain % of you lot are very good people , but by the actions of the peasents there and the admin, you have made in unsafe for all westerners to travel in much of the world, frinstance I can not go to Afghanistan, Pakistan in North, and in Northern Africa I must where shirt which says NZ on it

[daiquiri]

I see that Venice (Italy) and Rovinj (an extremely cute small town in Croatia) have not been marked on that map, Lazey. That's a real pitty. ;)

[juiceclark]

Lazey,
Yeah, we asked al Queda to blow-up the world trade buildings, an embassy or two, a battleship...all before we did any retalliation. Nice logic genius. Don't worry, they'll come for you too. You have constantly illustrated a complete misunderstanding of world politics, American sentiment and the aggressiveness of human nature. Thank goodness you weren't running the show during WWII or your flag would be the Rising Sun.

Greedy and grabbing? We could take any country anytime we want. Instead, not only have we never taken one inch of foreign land (except to bury our dead that defended that foreign land), we spend our blood and treasure defending yours! What a stupid thing you've said.

The reality is we did nothing militarily until the fundamentalists came for us. Then, we did what Europe (and all of us) should have done 20 years ago to prevent this mess...take them down. Isn't it obvious they would keep killing innocents worldwide until somebody did something? Are you totally blind??

If you think you were safer in Afghanistan with the Taliban than now, you are truly vapid. If you think the Taliban will embrace you, go to N. Pakistan and say hello, they're all there. Those people hate you and want you dead because of who YOU are - don't you understand that?! They don't hate Americans, Aussies, Japanese, Chinese -they hate all of us because we're infadels. They wish you were dead as well as I - what the hell is wrong with you ?

I'm not going to post politics anymore on this site...it's just too hopeless. The world has gone off to thinking sad little utopian ideals while America protects their borders. I hope Obama guts our military like Carter and the American public becomes totally isolationist. The world fell easily into war the last time we didn't interract before WWI. China won't take long to absorb their way right down to Australia...but whatever, I'm sure they'll treat you well if you're nice and make rice.
It's a tough world "Lazy" - so, grow some balls. LMAO

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Butch .H

Actually Juice we base most of our assumptions on programmes like Jerry Springer

That doesn't really play in America anymore - but nice to know how it's loved overseas. That's the good thing about free markets, if nobody would watch the show wouldn't exist. Springer makes over $20MM each year from that show all in foreign markets.

[lazeyjack]

Lazey,
Yeah, we asked al Queda to blow-up the world trade buildings, an embassy, a battleship...all before we did any retalliation. Nice logic. You have constantly illustrated a complete misunderstanding of world politics, American sentiment and the aggressiveness of human nature. Thank goodness you weren't running the show during WWII or your flag would be the Rising Sun.

Greedy and grabbing? We could take any country anytime we want. Instead, not only have we never taken one inch of foreign land (except to bury our dead that defended that foreign land), we spend our blood and treasure defending yours! What a stupid thing you've said.

The reality is we did nothing militarily until the fundamentalists came for us. Then, we did what Europe (and all of us) should have done 20 years ago to prevent this mess...take them down. Isn't it obvious they would keep killing innocents worldwide until somebody did something? Are you totally blind??

If you think you were safer in Afghanistan with the Taliban than now, you are truly vapid. If you think the Taliban will embrace you, go to N. Pakistan and say hello, they're all there. Those people hate you and want you dead because of who YOU are - don't you understand that?! They don't hate Americans, Aussies, Japanese, Chinese -they hate all of us because we're infadels. They wish you were dead as well as I - what the hell is wrong with you ?

I'm not going to post politics anymore on this site...it's just too hopeless. The world has gone off to thinking sad little utopian ideals while America protects their borders. I hope Obama guts our military like Carter and the American public becomes totally isolationist. The world fell easily into war the last time we didn't interract before WWI. China won't take long to absorb their way right down to Australia...but whatever, I'm sure they'll treat you well if you're nice and make rice.
It's a tough world "Lazy" - so, grow some balls. LMAO

tee hee you are a sad man Juice
you rattled Bin Laden by putting Macdonalds all over the world, you attcked(with your blessing) a country that had harmed you not, and you(with your blessings killed over 1 mill innocents
BURY your dead? what the hell were they doing in Vietnam and 28 other war zones that YOU STARTED

Balls, would you have the balls to start over in a foreign land??
go to a yahoo chat room, it is where you belong OR post about boats\Or seeing as you do not listen to foreigners, listen or at least read Billy Doc\OR pick up the phone and talk BEFORE you judge people

[juiceclark]

Well, you certainly have your wish because you're way too clueless for me to waste my time. Vietnam? You don't know anything do you!

I'm sure Mas will appreciate you kicking people off the site. I'll leave your sorry ass here to talk **** about America only because it will make you feel better about your sad, sorry little life...a last vestige for the bitter rantings of those who fail.

Do not listen? The problem here is that I DID listen to you long enough to realize you are a completely hopeless idiot. Wherever you migrate, I'm sure they'll reject you just the same.



"When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned."
Martin Niemoller

[Meanz Beanz]

Actually Juice we base most of our assumptions on programmes like Jerry Springer

Actually you will probably find that most of us have been to the US at least once and if like me many times.

[Butch .H]

"Thank goodness you weren't running the show during WWII or your flag would be the Rising Sun."Juice you are not in that league bud.The Yanks who fought and died in WW11 were Heroes all of them they fought for freedom not commerce. You cant hitch your wogon to theirs old man no way. As for the attack on 9/11 horrendous yes.Pre-emptive who knows maybe. America trained Osama.Rumsfeld got all kissy hugie with Sadam. Oh by the way you werent running the show during WW11 the real Americans were. Were you hiding under your bed during Nam or did you apply for exemption caus you broke a fingernail. I suppose those are aliens on Jerry's Show. Any how I hope you all give BO a chance to do some good.Maybe then America will be the America my old man told me about

[Butch .H]

"Then, we did what Europe (and all of us) should have done 20 years ago to prevent this mess...take them down". Um I think they aint down or do you watch re-runs of Rummies Shock and Awe

[Butch .H]

"The world has gone off to thinking sad little utopian ideals while America protects their borders." Huh you are truly out of your mind. If you are on our border bud make sure you are a tourist.

[Meanz Beanz]

Greedy and grabbing? We could take any country anytime we want. Instead, not only have we never taken one inch of foreign land (except to bury our dead that defended that foreign land), we spend our blood and treasure defending yours! What a stupid thing you've said.

Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", its eye opening and illustrates exactly how the US empire really works... It will push you into denial yet it explains so much. It should be of particular interest to anyone in Africa.

If stock is your business you should be aware of the plight of Overstock.com and Patrick Byrne's fight against a corrupt system. If not this hour long presentation might be of interest.

http://www.businessjive.com/

Google his name and the term "Naked Short Selling", read abit and you will see the scope of this corruption.

I like your Inflation Adjusted DOW chart. What inflation rate did you use? The official numbers? I never really trust "inflation adjusted" anything because the inflation number is such a movable feast, it's not what I call statistically honest... http://www.shadowstats.com/ Also what of survivor bias? Broad indexes always contain survivor bias which distorts the picture again.

You bring up 911... I think that anyone who has half a brain and has looked at the events of that day can see that it was a contrived event. There are so many things wrong with what was presented to the world as terrorist attacks that I don't know where to begin. I don't pretend to know who or how they where organised except to say that they where not as they where officially represented. I dare say that we have not yet seen the final objective that these events where designed to achieve. One wonders about the powers that the "Patriot Act" ushered in and what the true purpose of them is... one also wonders why Iraq was the first on the hit list when it so obviously had nothing to do with the supposed perpetrators. Fair enough, you did hit Afghanistan first, but only after being pushed in that direction by sounder reasoning.... anyway... once again all is not what it seems here.

Then we have the fight over South Ossetia, purportedly support for the Georgians is the reason that the US is there. In reality the world can see that its Russia and the US squabbling over the only non Russian controlled pipe line out of the area.

Its not hard to see that a great game is being played with oil as the center piece.

Anyway the point is the empire is corrupt and corruption is never something to admire and certainly does not make you the greatest.

Juice, you will find that most of us like the people of the US on a one for one basis BUT we very much mistrust your corrupt empire. I also find that most US citizens I talk to are not aware of just how the US functions in the world, they truly believe that their country is doing the right thing. Books like "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" give an insight as to why your actions raise the eyre of many of us out here.

Anyway mate, the thing is that we don't see that this attitude that "we are the best" that is so ingrained in your culture is justified in anyway. Many of us that have travelled to the US have the very same attitude that you have to the world... nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. A little more humility would have us focusing on the US's redeeming features but instead we get this "we are it!" attitude and over exposure to popular American culture that many of us find hard to take. Good leaders lead with humility and wisdom, in truth the US has done neither.

[lazeyjack]

your buddy?
rid wine from sef africa
shiraz

[Meanz Beanz]

And I thought I was rambling in my Saturday morning haze :D Weather has turned down here and I have to go and work on the boat...soonish... delaying tactics here! but hey its the weekend :p

I find it hard to explain to US citizens just how we see them... its complicated, an odd mix of liking for many of the people on a personal level yet horror at the leadership and the "system".

I was trying to find the number of US citizens with passports but there is no official number and quoted numbers range from 10 to 30%. Anyway its a low number and goes a long way to explaining the insularity of their community.

Cheers
MBz

[daiquiri]

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/open-discussion/26718d1226097196-congrats-usa-antiwar_bushwarhead.jpg

:D :D :D :D :D

I want one of these!

[Meanz Beanz]

shiraz

Its the only red :D none of this flouncy new age late` with a twist stuff! just give me a gutsy single variety Shiraz :D

[Meanz Beanz]

:D :D :D :D :D

I want one of these!

Its a classic... good find LJ!

[Butch .H]

"shiraz" mmmm From ?

[Butch .H]

"I want one of these!" No! funny hat looks a bit like Streisand?:D

[masalai]

Butch .H - Dont you have bottle shops - where booze may be purchased, in Saffa? - Then How about some of the cellar doors of the local vinyards?... Ask around I know some good stuff is produced there....

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

So things have changed - and yes change is good - myself - I could write a speech or even a poem about change and rebuilding - and hide my personal agenda at the same time...

Invest in companies that manufacture bullet proof glass - aromoured Limos' - and self healing tires...

Invest in companies that supply the the next boomers with domestic goods and consumables...

Is it over - hell no - is it historic - I hope not - does it represent a process of a better man for the job and the evolution of a tired and self educated public choice based on same - I really hope so...

SH.

[lazeyjack]

for all those thinking folks

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

I do love when the wife invites some friends over to sit on my big deck...

[lazeyjack]

Hello...

I do love when the wife invites some friends over to sit on my big deck...

smile, send a pic, of em

[masalai]

Don't laugh, this could well happen to you - - - - - - - (and all of us) http://www.boncherry.com/blog/2008/10/26/global-crisis-this-is-the-real-crisis/

[the1much]

a good choice,,hahahahaa ,, like it matters WHO is president,,, i STILL think its funny as hell that people even THINK that the president makes ANY difference,, hahaha,, christ the pres. cant even sh!t without asking congress and all them other 500 people if he can. the pres. has NO power to talk of,, NONE,, it doesnt matter what HE wants to do, or what is RIGHT,, it only matters to the people with the REAL power.,, hahahaha,, and wont it be soooo sad in 4 years when nothing has changed for the better,, hehe ;)

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

Friday night piss up - some F'er wanted posters - whipped some up to 8.5 x 11 - North American letter...

Fading - fading away...

Sorry Charles and Dick Ends - but it was a hard week and I can afford to be 'entitled'...:)

Damn I like the above - I am so witty and creative - I should look into dance classes - AH - or other...:)

Hope all you mad SOB's are good in your bits..

Some ass wanted posters to print - well here is my bit...

Here is...

SH.

[lazeyjack]

geeze there are some sad bastards here, another neg feed for this thread, no name as per
this wot he said, but did he post neg for the vitriol the guy gave us? nope, had it from this guy before, one day he,ll mess up

quote "tee hee you are a sad man Juice" - please do not insult other forum members even if they post objectionable opinions. Lighting a fire under these people does not help the forum.

[the1much]

geeze there are some sad bastards here, another neg feed for this thread, no name as per

join the club :D
i tried giving bad points but it wont let me hehe ;)
no wait,, it didnt even wait to see if they were gonna good or bad,, hehe ,, well hopefully the simple brained idiots see me and give me some too,, i kinda feel left out when WIMPS give out points , but none to me ;)

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

Once again - AMERICA - proves the model...

All that I have to say - imagine that...:)

SH.

[lazeyjack]

join the club :D
i tried giving bad points but it wont let me hehe ;)
no wait,, it didnt even wait to see if they were gonna good or bad,, hehe ,, well hopefully the simple brained idiots see me and give me some too,, i kinda feel left out when WIMPS give out points , but none to me ;)

sometimes I give anon, but I have reasons , they have to really disgusting posts, and they deserve it
did you know the moderator tells certain folk who gave them neg? i have this in writing

[Meanz Beanz]

I sign my negative feedback... but it almost always gets me a tit for tat response :p I lose more points that way LOL :D

[Jeff]

geeze there are some sad bastards here, another neg feed for this thread, no name as per
this wot he said, but did he post neg for the vitriol the guy gave us? nope, had it from this guy before, one day he,ll mess up

quote "tee hee you are a sad man Juice" - please do not insult other forum members even if they post objectionable opinions. Lighting a fire under these people does not help the forum.

Even if you strongly disagree with someone, please don't insult them on the public forums as it only fans the flames. I've deleted posts from this thread that blatently insult other members. I see no reason that you would have to post "tee hee you are a sad man Juice" as it contributes nothing to your post and only enrages the member you insulted by name.

I especially don't like a thread about non-boating issues that gets out of hand unnecessarily and gets another member so enraged that he is now emailing other boatbuilders and encouraging them to not have anything to do with our site.

It was pointed out here http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/forum-questions-suggestions/forum-rules-code-conduct-11083.html that some members feel I have not adequately enforced the rules as of late, and I cannot argue with them. In general I think the community is strong, but I find your posts in this thread have crossed the line and are blatantly insulting another, and thus I have deleted a few.

[lazeyjack]

Even if you strongly disagree with someone, please don't insult them on the public forums as it only fans the flames. I've deleted posts from this thread that blatently insult other members. I see no reason that you would have to post "tee hee you are a sad man Juice" as it contributes nothing to your post and only enrages the member you insulted by name.

I especially don't like the threads about non-boating issues that get out of hand that then get members so enraged that they are now emailing other boatbuilders and encouraging them to not have anything to do with our site.

It was pointed out here http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/forum-questions-suggestions/forum-rules-code-conduct-11083.html that some members feel I have not adequately enforced the rules as of late, and I cannot argue with them. In general I think the community is strong, but I find your posts in this thread have crossed the line and are blatantly insulting another, and thus I have deleted a few.
No have no rights to post neg feed, your hypocrysy is beyond belief, when you TELL certain members who said what
i am well aware that you do not like me
But IN actual fact I was trying to Help Juice, I never swore at him, or gave him the verbal abuse he gave to others
You are USA, you hate anything neg said of it and I note you did not post neg feed to the others
You sir, note the lower case are a coward, and not fit to moderate BECAUSE you should be impartial.
of the hundred of posts I have given with sound advice, I have had very little feed,, but I have as you know, a great deal from these random threads
And HOW do you know that they are? because you read their posts, there is no privacy is there?
i have taken out some insurance, in case you see fit to do anything on the spur of the moment
But whoever owns this site should worry, about your misuse of(power) and your delving into peoples private affairs

[Jeff]

No have no rights to post neg feed, your hypocrysy is beyond belief, when you TELL certain members who said what
The quote I posted above that you made was already posted on the public forum in the post that I deleted of yours. Because you already posted it in the public forum earlier today, I do not see a problem "revealing" it to address your concern. The part after the - was mine when I gave you negative feedback for insulting another member which you also inquired about.

I do not understand what you mean when you say "No have no rights to post neg feed" - could you clarify?

I do greatly appreciate the many constructive posts you have made, but I don't think I should allow any member, no matter how prolific a poster, to be insulting other members.

[lazeyjack]

The quote I posted above that you made was already posted on the public forum in the post that I deleted of yours. Because you already posted it in the public forum earlier today, I do not see a problem "revealing" it to clarify?

I do greatly appreciate the many constructive posts you have made, but I don't think I should allow any member, no matter how prolific a poster, to be insulting other members.
would you care to know HOW i know you gave me the feedback? which you have done before
A moderator, should be just that, , you dont judge,, and you dont take favourites, as I said, you did not give anybody else neg for it, that I know ,and my language was clean and not vitriolic in the least
there are far too many wacky open threads, one person in particular just starts at random
You claim I chased Juice away, but it was not I at all,
please explain WHY you access peoples mail?

[Jeff]

would you care to know HOW i know you gave me the feedback?Because you saw me viewing your post before the negative feedback occurred or because I PMed you explaining why?
which you have done beforeThe last post of yours that I gave negative feedback to was this comment that you made:
you are clearly , ignorant as to what makes a yacht, none of your boats are yachts, they are ugly pieces of crap full stop
I think that goes well over the line of being friendly or constructive criticism.
please explain WHY you access peoples mail?
As moderator I am able to review the positive and negative post feedback made to keep the system in check. I do not do this often, but I do scan through on occasion or if there is a specific complaint. I do not want someone using profanity or such even in post feedback comments, nor do I want someone going off the deep end and giving everyone negative comments, etc.
You claim I chased Juice away, but it was not I at all,
The insults you made on the public forum were directed at him by name.

[lazeyjack]

Because you saw me viewing your post before the negative feedback occurred or because I PMed you explaining why?

As moderator I am able to review the positive and negative post feedback made to keep the system in check. I do not do this often, but I do scan through on occasion or if there is a specific complaint. I do not want someone using profanity or such even in post feedback comments, nor do I want someone going off the deep end and giving everyone negative comments, etc.

The insults you made on the public forum were directed at him by name.

AND YOU READ EMAILS AND PM,S
i TELL YOU THIS MUCH jEFF, I have made some very good friends here, ones I call by telephone, at least you cant get into my phone system
Some very clever and deep thinking men, far cleverer than I So brainy that I am often in awe
When they fiond out that they are compremiised, you may lose these people
butch, mean beans, and a few others gave Juice heaps more than I ddi you give em neg, NO because right from start you got it in for me, so grow up!!

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

I just made a poster printable to 8.5 x 11 on American letter stock - now Lazey and the OWNER OF THIS SITE - THUS THE PAYER AND TAX BAG OF BANDWIDTH - are touching toes under the table...:)

I think it a prank to bust my online poker bits...

SH.

[the1much]

when ya read my emails Jeff ,, i get $1.99 a minute hehe ;)

[Jeff]

AND YOU READ EMAILS AND PM,S
I have absolutely no means nor any interest to read your emails and while I could technically scan through the database to read PMs, I have never done so and do not believe in doing so unless some blatantly illegal activity has occurred.

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

Why is the personal edit of gallery photos gone - it is very useful for the morning after man - as I am I am - Popeye...:)

SH.

[Jeff]

The edit photo option should be in the Photo Options dropdown now
(near the top right in the next blue band down under the upload photos button)

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

Thanks again - you are better than Sears for attention to customer satisfaction...:)

Seems you are busy moderating some heavy manly bits - is it worth it - I do not get to see same - but I would like to believe they can self moderate - but I do not know...

I thought my own F'cks or F'ucks - would get me a golden goodie shoe in my ass - a BAN FOR LIFE - but coming to the basement seemed acceptable - and so - this site remains a warm and 'sootie' pub - just my style...:)

Please keep up the good work - I know I need same...

CHEERS TO 'JEFF'...

SH.

[Mychael]

Hello...

I do love when the wife invites some friends over to sit on my big deck....


It's summer and all these cockatoos flew in to perch on my deck, I kept banging it for hours to try to keep them off, you've no idea what it's like to have all these birds knawing away on your deck, in the end I was exhausted from all the banging and just could not keep it up anymore. Took me ages to get it clean after all of them finally left.

Mychael

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

That works - thank you...

SH.

[ratrace2]

So what's the big deal. . . . .we got ten boatbuilders in the same room and found that some of them disagree with each other. For me, Strong opinions make for strong boats. Would anyone want it any other way. The Free expression of ideas, opinions, likes, dislikes--the competition of thought--makes for even better boats.

[Butch .H]

Massa you chop!:P :P :P "Butch .H - Dont you have bottle shops - where booze may be purchased, in Saffa? " . I actualy ment to ask wich Vinyard. Jeff give Maasa negs :D :D :D

[masalai]

Huh, I tried but it said I have to spread something... Butch please stop hitting my toes that hammer hurts :D:D:D:D:D

[Butch .H]

Masa you up late.:)

[Meanz Beanz]

Nah, its the afternoon... Mas is just an old fart that needs his naps (:p :p :p :p :p :p Mas....) :D

Yikes.... look at that bun fight! Old LJ has been in the wars.

better say sorry to Mas for calling him an old fart :D

Mas I'm sorry your an old fart! :P

Uh oh more negative feed back ;) :p

Chill out guys...

This is supposed to be fun :D

[masalai]

Hi Butch, Still here......... As Heinz said - this old fart needs a nap in the afternoon following some heavy reading and an ice pac (no cold beers in the fridge - bugger) to cool the overheated synapses and brain cells....

3rd Hour with Jim & John http://www.financialsense.com/fsn/main.html is particularly interesting - - 'cept I will have to listen again as my capacity to multitask seems diminished - bloody ageing processes and dementia genes....

Select an Audio Format for Part 1
RealPlayer | WinAmp | Windows Media | Mp3

* Obama Nation
* Other Voices: Jason Pearce,
Pearce Financial, LLC.
* Recession, Recovery, Depression


Oooo Oooo Ooh seems a thread has been pulled? - - - Salamat malam

[Jeff]

Oooo Oooo Ooh seems a thread has been pulled? - - - Salamat malam
Yes I pulled the second lazeyjack thread. If he wants to say something to me he has my email. I respected his work, but I don't respect his attempt to fearmonger other forum members in retaliation for being banned. I'm hoping he cools out in the future and we can all get along again as life is too short to be distracted with this useless flinging of insults and personal attacks.

[masalai]

I feel chastened, Thanks for the heads-up....

[harlemriverman]

actually Juice, I may not have seen as much of USA as you but I have seen a lot of it, an awful lot
i saw a sign near Housten, two years back, it said"every Texan, deserves 450 horses, with a pic of a pickup truck That says it all, really, you make up 3% of worlds population(somewhere there) and you use half worlds oil, you are incredibly greedy and grabbing, you have done more damage to the world than you will ever ever know, and during the Bush years you became hated Now I travel a lot, and I know that a certain % of you lot are very good people , but by the actions of the peasents there and the admin, you have made in unsafe for all westerners to travel in much of the world, frinstance I can not go to Afghanistan, Pakistan in North, and in Northern Africa I must where shirt which says NZ on it

yup, we kind of like prosperity around these parts. we also like to see it spread around to those that create it. called capitalism.

and many, many apologies for upsetting all of your travel plans, we really should stop playing with the tough guys. come to think of it, we must of really pissed-off all those soujourners to the french shores back in '17...or '41. fear yea not my brothers and sisters, just as soon as afganistan bloodies our latest administrations noses we'll be leaving your playgrounds entirely. i suppose that means you'll start complaining about our absence. then you'll boycott our stuff...don't worry, we'll boycott yours too. and then we can all go back to where we were a couple of hundred years ago and you guys in the lovely world of ours can repeat your cycle all over again.

[Meanz Beanz]

LOL... you guy's boycott (as good as) our stuff already... you can't compete on a level playing field. :p

[TeddyDiver]

back in '17...or '41.
Those days you were just late and unprepared.. Nowadays you have been making (training and funding) your own enemies to get the reason to be "vigilant"

[clmanges]

Nowadays you have been making (training and funding) your own enemies to get the reason to be "vigilant"All in the good name of Freedom, Liberty, Democracy, etc., not to mention massive profits for the military-industrial complex. OOPS, sorry, I wasn't supposed to mention that last. And I promise, I won't mention the body-bags either.

Yeah, our foreign policy here in the US has taken a wrong turn, since at least the Viet Nam era, probably before that. We basically forgot -- or willfully ignored -- history, and the lessons about what works.

After WW II, what did we do to our conquered enemies? We disarmed them, down to the level of cap-pistols, kept our forces in place as both military and police protection, rebuilt their economies and infrastructures, coached their new governments along, and waited until they had fully stabilized before allowing them to re-establish their own limited military defenses. Result? Everyone loved us, and btw, now had more advanced industry than we ourselves had, since they got all new state-of-the-art equipment while we kept on using the old stuff that we had in place.

Lately, we go into some country whose government doesn't suit our fancy -- whether it works for them or not. We blow up the place, piss off everyone, choose a group we deem favorable (from those we've pissed off), and arm and train them, steal their resources, and leave the rest of the place in ruins. Then we can't figure out what went wrong, when a few years later, the very ones we favored are shooting at us with the very weapons we gave them. Remember the Taliban? They were still using muskets until we decided to use them to poke a stick in the eyes of the Russians. Remember Saddam? We were still sending him money until the very day he rolled into Kuwait. The list is longer than I have the stomach for.

Now, just to keep this rant on topic, I really, really hope that Obama can bring some sense to our foreign policy. That's going to be a tall order, though, since about a sixth -- at minimum -- of our budget goes to military.

Wish us luck, everyone, we're going to need it.

[harlemriverman]

LOL... you guy's boycott (as good as) our stuff already... you can't compete on a level playing field. :p

that's funny meanz, who said anything about compete.

you'll buy even more of our crap as we now thoroughly close our doors, ignore the world, and cork-screw head-first into the status of a 3rd world nation. here, we'll be producing large volumes of complete junk for you to buy at half the price of china. exactly where we come from meanz, which is roughly where we started.

but not too many voters study history.

you should too. and where you're world is headed is an ugly one indeed but not our problem anymore, right clmanges? we'll be busy infighting and steeling from one another. i know, i know...change...lots of change.

about all we're going to have in our pockets when this administration is finished with this place.

enjoy your competition world. have a ball. oh yeah, that's right, we're probably closing our borders too so if the water gets a little hot out there, you might try australia or maybe one of the poles. maybe they still have a heart.

[harlemriverman]

Those days you were just late and unprepared.. Nowadays you have been making (training and funding) your own enemies to get the reason to be "vigilant"

i hear ya brother. next time we won't be late...we won't be there at all.

[daiquiri]

i hear ya brother. next time we won't be late...we won't be there at all.
I think you will, as soon as an opportunity to make profit out of war shows up.

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

Thanks for the photo edit bit MR JEFF - I do need same - my weekends are very short schedule - if you know what I mean...:)

I remain confused as to what is going on here - have no time to read back - can hardly read at all just now...:)

Why was LazeyJack bumped - all can call - cooking a turkey - again...:)

I do like Turkey - the bird - dead and roasting - got a London Pride beer up his ass too - sans an explosion this should be REALLY good stuff...

So really - WTF is going on...

I thought I was the *******...:)

Enclosed is a line of sight problem and a princess cook - enjoy...:)

Brooke Bradford and Denise Milani for those who like to cruise - that rhymes...

Cheers...

SH.

[daiquiri]

Thanks for these examples of nice hydrodynamic body shapes, Sean. :D

Well, I'll try to brief you shortly on the situation.
We have few guys here which are proud to be americans (and they have a right to be so) but with political views which, in my eyes, make them look like a right-wing version of Masrapido.

Then we have (or had?) Lazeyjack who didn't agree with their political views. And it seems that Lazeyjack doesn't like to choose words when expressing his disagreement.

And then we have the moderator who seem to be affraid of loosing some american members of the site so he banned Lazeyjack.

It's like watching a political tv soap opera. Everyone is against everyone else. And now we also have some nice chicks on tv, thanks to you. That should help rise the audience, and probably some other things.

[harlemriverman]

I think you will, as soon as an opportunity to make profit out of war shows up.


yup, that's correct. we'll sell you stuff. hell, we'll sell all sides whatever the world needs to wipe itself out. we just won't be there, but we'll cheer you on in fine fashion, with our piss-poor excuse for beer, cheap bourbons and american style football…sure will miss the imported stuff.

oh yeah, by the way. we currently don’t make much of anything so my first guess is that in the not-so-distant future our junk will be complete junk. we're certainly not going to sell the world weapons we use for ourselves, that won't happen. but we'll give you whatever you want in the way of cheap stuff, by the gross.

so when that world war of your’s comes crashing on your shores once again, you'll have to do a break-even calculation on whether to pay for the good stuff, which you can get from germany if that’s not the problem again, or finland maybe. itally if you're looking for a fine shotgun that is in short supply and also doesn't work. england if you’re looking for things that leak oil. don't count on china, that will most certainly be your problem.

absolutely correct my friend, we'll sell you whatever you want. almost.

[the1much]

LJ got banned for PERSONAL INSULTS AND NAME CALLING !! not because of what he thinks, not because he disagreed with someone,, but because he got PERSONAL. and Jeff is WAY more then a mod.,, he is the OWNER , who PAYS for this site to be here, and im PRETTY sure it didnt have ANYTHING to do with some of us being americans,,,,, it takes money to run this site,, and when 1 person can cause this site to loose hundreds, thousands of dollars,, what ta hell do ya think should happen??
i like LJ ,, we've had our differences, and arguments,, but we were respectful of each other,, and i do consider him a friend,,, but he crossed the line.
how many people on hear say the things he said to Jeff, to your boss??
simpleton rule #1 DONT bite the hand that feeds ya.

[the1much]

i am man,,, well as I could be hehe ;)
hope your doin goods too sh!t-fer-brains
hehe ;)

[ratrace2]

So much love. . . .that's what I'm talking about. . . . .Ya know, I have never met anyone that was any good at anything that didn't--jump up and down--and break things from time to time and didn't have a strong opinion about how to break it.

[masalai]

A good argument, YES but when it gets personal and threats are made or implied. That becomes too much over the top... May we all be different, (can't spell that French phrase - the accent alludes me), else this place would be tooo bloody boring....

[Pericles]

Sean,

Where did your get the information that Christopher Walken (not Walkin) was a US Navy Seal please? You must appreciate that checking facts before I put pen to paper, so to speak, is because I was taught to be cautious. Thus, a swift Google has prompted this post. I usually ignore your inaccuracies, but this time, I thought I'd call you out and see what you're holding?

Walken was born in 1943 and started acting in 1952. I cannot find any reference to military service, but if you have evidence to the contrary please post it here. As for his dancing skills, I am not surprised he's good. :D :D :D :D
He is a trained dancer, after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Walken

I look forward to your justification for your claim .

Brian.

The accent eludes you. Allude is as in allusion.

1. indirect reference: an indirect reference to somebody or something
He made an allusion to marital problems.

2. act of alluding: the act of making an indirect reference to somebody or something

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C' est la guerre!

(is a nicely ironic phrase used as an excuse for anything which goes wrong, often due to incompetence (sometimes one's own) or circumstances beyond ones control. A less elegant phrase would be "Hey, what can you do?")

[harlemriverman]

i thougt the expression was along the lines of qu'est-ce qui est dans le portefeuille yoru?

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

You did not give me enough time to sober up and sort out my ass from my mouth...

It has been raining for 8 days now...

SH.

[kach22i]

The night Obama won I fell asleep on the couch watching the voting results at around 10:00 PM, and awoke at midnight to the sound of fireworks going off at the nearby street corner. My house is two blocks from the U of M stadium (the Big House) and the neighborhood is predominately but not exclusively students.

From midnight until 2:30 AM that historic evening, the whole city seem alive, I could hear a Marti Gras like celebration in the heart of downtown about a mile away. I tried my best to go back to sleep after the fireworks, but it was useless. I tried putting on the TV, but even the TV had become drowned out by 2:30 AM (local bars stop serving at 2:00 AM). It sounded like a marching band was marching on the city, I could hear the drums, real marching band style drums in the mix of a cheering crowd's merry making.

I put my pants and shoes on and ventured into the night armed with my camera and walked to the source of the noise two blocks away. About 300 people, mostly college students had marched and gathered at the end of Greene street in front of the football stadium's gated entrance. They were just joyfully cheering with shouts from the crowd like "OBAMA ROCKS" standing above the rest of the ruckus.

Three or four unmarked police cars with several officers in each car watched the peaceful celebration quite attentively, but made no efforts to interfere.

Audio/Video:
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/MISC/?action=view&current=Imgp7152.flv

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/MISC/Obama-Won.jpg

It took me several days to get all of my sleep back, but it was a small price to pay.

Cheers, George/kach22i

[masalai]

Pericles, I plead a failing mental retrieval system. - I was thinking something like "Viva la difference" (which I can't spell or pronounce), and stuffed up elsewhere, - - Ho-Hum for this one, me, seems dumb? - - what is the meaning of the other phrase, and for the life of me I cannot think what I was thinking but meant "illude" (to evade) I guess? but then "escapes" would work - the incorrect choice just sounded nice?