propeller driven watercraft 4.58et @ 270.2mph to back up a 4.59 et@260.60mph

[Dan Ellison]

Worlds quickest and fastest propeller driven watercraft, Ellison outrigger liquid quiker sets both ends of the world record 4.58et @ 270.2mph to back up a 4.59 et@260.60mph. They gave them the et record but not the mph for some strange reason!

[Verytricky]

Can you provide more information?

Where, when, over what distance etc.

Also - what is a "4.59 et"

[Dan Ellison]

Can you provide more information?

Where, when, over what distance etc.

Also - what is a "4.59 et"It is a drag boat, the times are 1/4 mile (1320ft) ET is elapsed time . It was in augusta ga, IHBA national event. They also went on to win the event. First and only hull to run 270mph in the quarter mile. Old record was 4.74et@ 255

[Jango]

Very Tricky,
I would like to add:

I believe, The elapsed time is the Time starting 100 ft from a "Dead Stop" and ending 1320 ft down the course, with terminal speed of over 270 mph. Very quick (e.t.) and Fast (mph) to say the least.

[Verytricky]

They gave them the et record but not the mph for some strange reason!


The reasons why you can not claim the MPH world speed record are....

1) Your run was not over a measured 1km or 1 mile marked course.
2) Your run was not repeated in the opposite direction, to finish within 20 minutes of the first run starting.
3) Your average speed if it could be calculated probably does not break the existing record.


There are also other tiny technical things that have to be met, like who does the timing, what method is used, the number and type of measuring instrument etc.

Your terminal velocity may be very high, but the average velocity over the 1 mile or 1 kilo course is what is measured.

Just for simplicity we can guess that the boat could do the mile in the same sort of time it does the 1/4 mile. So roughly you do the mile in say 18 seconds, which would give very roughly an average speed of 180mph as it is measured.

That is very very quick!

[Dan Ellison]

First of all its a drag boat not a kilo boat. It is a sanctioned certified course at a national event. The reason the mph was not given as a record was a recording malfunction. NO drag boat or propeller driven craft has gone faster , kilo or not! do the math it ran 2.95sec to the1/8 which means it ran the last 1/8 in 1.64 sec. V average=d/t, 660ft(1/8)/1.64sec=402.44ft/secx3600(1hr)/5280ft(1mile)=274mph! It ran this twice in opposite lanes on two different days giving them the world et record.

[Verytricky]

[QUOTE=Dan Ellison;217519]Hardly a fluke! QUOTE]
I did not say it was a fluke.

You are also presenting new information which I did not have at the time I responded to your post.

As they say in the moovies: "Chill Winston..."



I do not doubt the boat is very fast - I said so.


You will however never get an official world speed record unless you run over a 1 mile or a 1 kilo course. That is simply it. End of story. Guinness will not recognise it, UIM will not recognise it, and thus you have a record you can claim for yourself, but no official certifying body will validate.

Your own race oranisation may give you the 'drag boat terminal velocity world speed record' - but that is a different animal entirely from the World Speed Record innit?


The boat looks like it is capable of breaking the world speed record for immersed propellor. You should really have a go at getting that organised. It has been a long time since that particular record was probed - mostly due to money going to the absolute record using jets... Jet or rocket propelled boats are IMHO cheating, as they dont use the water for propulsion - much like the rocket cars should not (again IMO ) get the speed record unless their wheels are doing the driving...

[redtech]

was the spirit of australa driven by thrust or a turbine driven prop?

[Verytricky]

was the spirit of australa driven by thrust or a turbine driven prop?


It was powered by a J34 Westinghouse jet engine. Thrust, not propellor...


IMNSHO - not a real water speed record. Just a fast jet using water as a runway and forgetting to take off.... 317.6 MPH That is 511.11kmph

[johnmillerboats]

Worlds quickest and fastest propeller driven watercraft, Ellison outrigger liquid quiker sets both ends of the world record 4.58et @ 270.2mph to back up a 4.59 et@260.60mph. They gave them the et record but not the mph for some strange reason!

IHBA 1/4 drag:
What class was he running in?
Blown Fuel Hydro????
Blown Alcohol Hydro?

Had to be one of those 2 classes and had to be a v-drive.



I've been around boat drag racing for a long time. We built several boats that held world records all the way back to the 50's.
Kern County boat and ski club 1950's and 60's Bakersfield CA
NDBA started in 1964 Perris, CA
APBA started in the 50's at Long Beach Marine Stadium
NJBA started in the 70's I believe

Boat drag racing started up in California only!

[johnmillerboats]

This is a boat my company built that held the NDBA Blown Gas Flatbottom record in 1965 at 117 mph. Back then there was no ET record. Picture was taken at Perris, CA (Skiland lake), home of the NDBA

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/515/bob_garner.jpg

[Dan Ellison]

IHBA record, Topfuel hydro, twin prop ellison outrigger hydro, I have built 5 to date. 3 currently racing. First hull was built in 05 so we have alot left with more runs. I beleive this hull can run 4.40's @ 280+ with more time, Dan Ellison

[johnmillerboats]

AUGUSTA SOUTHERN NATIONALS 2008
TOP FUEL HYDRO Final Qualifying Positions

Class Final Quai BOAT # BOAT NAME DRIVER RT ET MPH RUN NOTES
TFH 1 131 Liquid Quiker Ron McLellan 0.472 4.593 162.36
TFH 2 7 Speed Sport Special John Haas 0.059 4.95 241.5
TFH 3 807 Spirit of Texas Scotty Lumbert 5.336 163.64
TFH 4 725 Hot Licks Bullet Jarrett Silvey 0.403 5.514 220.38

Top Fuel Hydro
Q1 QP BOAT # BOAT NAME DRIVER RT ET MPH RUN NOTES
TFH 7 Speed Sport Special John Haas 0.000 0 0 Did not get off the line
TFH 807 Spirit of Texas Scotty Lumbert 5.336 163.64

TFH 725 Hot Licks Bullet Jarrett Silvey 0.000 5.654 233.54
TFH 131 Liquid Quiker Ron McLellan 7.438 88.28 Went out of lane

Q2 QP BOAT # BOAT NAME DRIVER RT ET MPH RUN NOTES
TFH 7 Speed Sport Special John Haas 0.059 4.95 241.5
TFH 131 Liquid Quiker Ron McLellan 0.472 4.593 0 Leg on Record

TFH 807 Spirit of Texas Scotty Lumbert 1.320 0.000 0
TFH 725 Hot Licks Bullet Jarrett Silvey 0.403 5.514 220.38

Semi QP BOAT # BOAT NAME DRIVER RT ET MPH RUN NOTES
TFH 1 131 Liquid Quiker Ron McLellan 0.273 4.582 0 Win - Set ET record
TFH 4 725 Hot Licks Bullet Jarrett Silvey 0.315 6.769 177.02

TFH 2 7 Speed Sport Special John Haas 0.035 4.931 238.24 Win
TFH 3 807 Spirit of Texas Scotty Lumbert 0.214 5.211 188.34

Finals QP BOAT # BOAT NAME DRIVER RT ET MPH RUN NOTES
TFH 1 131 Liquid Quiker Ron McLellan 0.348 4.949 238.46 Win
TFH 2 7 Speed Sport Special John Haas -0.056 4.929 239.90 Red


Never heard of an outrigger drive, got a pic of it?

[1/4 Miler]

IHBA record, Topfuel hydro, twin prop ellison outrigger hydro, I have built 5 to date. 3 currently racing. First hull was built in 05 so we have alot left with more runs. I beleive this hull can run 4.40's @ 280+ with more time, Dan Ellison

Congratulations Dan on the IHBA 1/4 Mile Top Fuel Hydro World Record. I'm sure that as the Team gets the boat further 'Dialed In' it'll be even quicker & faster.

Jak

[Dan Ellison]

Congratulations Dan on the IHBA 1/4 Mile Top Fuel Hydro World Record. I'm sure that as the Team gets the boat further 'Dialed In' it'll be even quicker & faster.

JakThanks Jak, They also set the sdba record this last weekend in tx. they went on to win the event. Can't wait for the world finals in nov. Talked to the team, you won't want to miss what we will run, it will be huge!

[Parts Washer]

Worlds quickest and fastest propeller driven watercraft, Ellison outrigger liquid quiker sets both ends of the world record 4.58et @ 270.2mph to back up a 4.59 et@260.60mph. They gave them the et record but not the mph for some strange reason!

First off let me say your boat runs well!

But as to the #s posted in Aguasta, GA they NEVER HAPPENED
the numbers ran the folowing race in Tx are more along the lines of the abilities of the people that run that boat, for them to go into that area in hot humid conditions and run just under .3 quicker then they ever have NO WAY.

I am not saying your design is not capable of going that quick I am saying that that team at that time didnt do it. Those are #s that would have been possably surpassed at Red Bluff this year when the corrected altitude reached below 100'

[Dan Ellison]

First off let me say your boat runs well!

But as to the #s posted in Aguasta, GA they NEVER HAPPENED
the numbers ran the folowing race in Tx are more along the lines of the abilities of the people that run that boat, for them to go into that area in hot humid conditions and run just under .3 quicker then they ever have NO WAY.

I am not saying your design is not capable of going that quick I am saying that that team at that time didnt do it. Those are #s that would have been possably surpassed at Red Bluff this year when the corrected altitude reached below 100'IT IS AN OFFICIAL IHBA RECORD @ 4.58, and a SDBA record @ 4.81 and that's fact!

[Parts Washer]

IT IS AN OFFICIAL IHBA RECORD @ 4.58, and a SDBA record @ 4.81 and that's fact!

Dan,

I know that they are official records I dont dispute that and the SDBA Recoord I honestly believe to be true. but there is no way the 4.58 happened in GA. the conditions there are worst than Texas. Add to that the hot Savanna River and no bite.

[Dan Ellison]

Speed sports in san angelo ran 4.95, LQ ran 4.74, In fort worth it was 107deg and LQ ran 4.81. All the rest were in the 5.50's. Only boat close was one of mine@ 5.01 The LQ team has been 2-3/10's quicker at every race! OFFICIAL RECORD

[redtech]

parts washer take a moment to look at the ihba web site mclellan did set the
ets posted by ellison in augusta. his claims are backed by ihba so if you don't believe it, it is in print and not just here

[Parts Washer]

parts washer take a moment to look at the ihba web site mclellan did set the
ets posted by ellison in augusta. his claims are backed by ihba so if you don't believe it, it is in print and not just here

Sir,

I do know a bit more about all this than you may think, Mr Ellison, I am sure you have spoken to, Not only Mr McClellan, But also Mr Way and I know for a fact that they also have said the #s are not actual ! Dont mistake what I am saying here you have a good boat design.

[Parts Washer]

Speed sports in san angelo ran 4.95, LQ ran 4.74, In fort worth it was 107deg and LQ ran 4.81. All the rest were in the 5.50's. Only boat close was one of mine@ 5.01 The LQ team has been 2-3/10's quicker at every race! OFFICIAL RECORD

That is exactly what I am saying, to they average a 4.80s to a high .70 and to suddenly gain .2 in that climate. I doubt it, the conditions arnt there. And we will have this argument until they are able to duplicate it.

[Parts Washer]

Quote,

It is not about that and nothing we could prove will change the out come.These pictures you have posted just confirm it all the more.Look at the last photo you can see Im out of the throttle and where is the white boat.You take my rt advantge and do the math the white boat should be long past me.I also dont think IHBA or anyone is trying to pull a fast one what would be there gain but I do beleive there was a malfunction with the timing nothing computes to 4.58 or does anything show that other than the timing board.That boat and that team are capable of those numbers but anyone looking at the facts will see there is somthing not right.

John Haas

[Verytricky]

When setting my world record, we did a run to settle the boat and engine - and we used a prop that would not redline. It is a known fact that the prop is 5mph slower than the record run prop.

We came back, changed prop and did the record run.

The timings were 1.6mph apart, which is simply not possible. We can not match the speed anywhere near with the first prop, which was designed to warm up the engine without hitting our rev limiter.

Sometimes electronics dont work as intended.

Which is a worrying thing.

[Dan Ellison]

Mark grim and Carlos from cc racing engines used an ellison based rc boat to set the g-1 rc record @ 104mph with a one way of 106.5mph. The full sized hull has only been in development since 05 and has proven to be the safest quickest and fastest, period.

[Jim Dunn]

Mr. Ellision needs to up date his information, one of his hulls is on the books for the 4.58 et. the 270 mph was never offical because of a malfunction with the clocks. Im Jim Dunn designer and builder of the Bullet Outrigger Hydro hulls, which now holds the low Et of 4.52 @ 264. mph, but the offical mph is 260 mph. Problem Child is the boat that holds the record owned by Eddie Knox, at the San Diego race just before the finals the boat went 265. mph. At a race in Texas the boat ran a 3.88 250 mph...on the offical books show the Problem Child Bullet Outrigger Hydro at 258.64 260.98 263.62 264.82 AND 265.52 with the 4.52 run at Chandler and 4.566 in San Diego.
Mr Ellision's 4.58 has been stepped on By John Hass 4.576 Problem Child 4.566 Dwanye Patton 4.551 John Hass 4.535 and Problem Child driver by Daryl Ehrlich's 4.524 again..TALKS CHEAP SHOW ME THE NUMBERS..:cool:

[Jim Dunn]

The 3.88 250 mph Texas run was a thousand foot race, just keeping the facts in line, on Problem Childs 264.82 run the boat went from sitting still to 224. mph in 660 ft in 2.72 seconds...SHOW ME THE NUMBERS..

[Jim Dunn]

I think a pitcure is worth THE NUMBERS...go to (Youtube Problem Child 2009 World Finals)...if you can, keep your eye on the BLACK BULLET...

[afrhydro]

subscribed to read later
hello dan scott here hows the outboard project coming

[13AL]

Jim, what does you hull weigh unrigged without capsule and how do you do your layups, hand, infusion?

[Jeff]

Sanctioning body discussion split to http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/powerboats/world-speed-records-sanctioning-body-discussion-35199.html