Pirates Sieze Sailing Family off Yemen

[Trevlyns]

See this link... (http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2008-06-24-3)

[the1much]

and all these idiots that think im "simple" because i say shoot the f*ckers the minute they get on a boat.

[charmc]

think im "simple" (the1much)

From the Miriam Webster Dictionary on line:
Simple:
1. free from guile
2. a. free from vanity b. free from ostentation or display
3. of humble origin or modest position
If the shoe fits ... :)

i say shoot the f*ckers the minute they get on a boat
9. readily understood or performed
Simple solution, too. I have no problems with that.

With all the cautions about arms on board, etc., I'm all for aggressive self defense. Piracy is just assault and battery on water.

[masalai]

Not good news, but then again how much news & publicity led these fools to think they were immune from being attacked by pirates? Why not just avoid those waters?, It is not as if the cruising was an absolute MUST?

If the pirates have AK47's what defence can be made, those are real mean weapons and would out-weigh most US military toys as personal arms apart from a grenade launcher - which they also probably have.... as well as those "rocket propelled grenade thingies" what to do except keep well away - a cruising yacht just could not carry sufficient defences....

[charmc]

I know, its hard to carry enough to defend against multiple sutomatic weapons and RPGs. Look at a map, though; the only direct route between the Med and the Indian Ocean is past this coast.

If there is enough outcry (translation: if there are enough attacks on ships owned by companies with clout) convoys may be an answer. Big guns to protect shipping.

[the1much]

if ya avoid the places just because of them,,,they'll get bigger balls then they have now,,and THEIR territory will get bigger by the day,,,,f*ck that,,,how is it these countries can have any kind of police, armed services (they could even pay bush for "his" help) and blow the f*ckers off the damned map,,do this 3 or 4 times,,,,i bet their kids think of a different career then dad had,,hehe ;)

[Fanie]

It is alarming... since water is an open and desolated place. I've heard other stories of piracy too... but what is the solution ? You cannot always have a bigger gun than the next guy ?

As for aggressive and radical self defense, it's probably going the same way as on land. Guy sticks a gun in your face and you kick the crap out of him, then you are said to be the attacker. Rediculous but that's how it is.

[the1much]

if you was a pirate ,,and all of a sudden,, other pirates and pirate ships were being blown outta the water by f-16's,,or a sub breached through ya,,im betting ya would lie low until,if, the pirate killing was over,,i bet ya blow up 4 or 5 ,,it'll all go back to where hearing a pirate story was not an everyday thing.

[Petros]

Many countries do not allow private ownership of such firearms. I think best would be a bolt action 30.06. Very accurate and would be good for long range sniping at pirates (much longer range than the those junkie AK-47 they carry). When you blow a few holes through their make sift armor they while they are still out of range they may think twice about trying to get any closer. A lot of holes at the water line should discurage any further approach.

Than for close range a 12 gage pump action shot gun loaded with slugs would come in handy. A few of those at the water line will slow them down. And several rounds of #7 will scatter real nice to make more than a few at a time of would be attackers hurt real bad.

Both of these are common civilian own firearms in most countries, ammo is available and they come in handy for sharks and other vermin.

[safewalrus]

Back in the old days the Royal Navy used to patrol the area on regular pirate patrols - any pirates got short shift and were terminated with extreme predjudice -of course these days the Brits can't afford to do this, the only country that can is the good old US of A! amybe if they kick the locals arse and tell them "if there's anymore pirate outrages well kick your arse, big time2 then something will happen, until then stay the fuck away from the area!! simple

[safewalrus]

Long range sniping at pirates may look good in the movies but in actual practice you don't know they are pirates until they are fairly close - you want to go shooting up every fishing boat in the world as you go past on the chance they may be pirates? Don't forget in pirate infested waters all fishing boats will carry arms, they don't want to get jumped by pirates either!! You shoot up a boatload of innocent fishermen from a distance you'll soon get a few large government vessels looking for you! You'll probably hang!! No short range weapons that spray a lot and then total distruction, BUT ONLY if they attack you first! They won't do that until they are sure they will win! One bullet at range and they'll shear off and call the local Navy, see above!

[Manie B]

As always it is very distressing to read these reports

BUT

ran out of fuel ????? say what dude ?????

this guy probably doesnt read internet
there are many pages that warn not to go near Somalia
the Red Sea is another sh1t hole

learn to sail yourself
having a "captain" - hired hand on board is a beeeeeeg problem

love it or leave it you will have to go around
Cape Town is a very pretty - interesting stop over
then up to Seychells, the folks love it there
and then across

[Landlubber]

the1much .....I'm with ya mate.

there is only one language these people understand....why bother trying to translate...shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out.....

[safewalrus]

'lubber absolutely.....................but you can't take on the whole world, some may actually be innocent! Come to see if your OK

On one ship I was on there was a Chief Officer (I was sailing third at the time) who on crossing the Atlantic if he saw a Yacht used to sheer towards it "to see if he was OK".......when I suggested (as a yachtsman) that the Yacht was OK until this 'fcuking great high speed altered course and headed straight at him - then he filled his pants' he looked at me rather surprised! muttered something like "never thought of that", but to his credit he did stop tring to frighten the poor buggers!! would he be classed as a pirate for wanting to check that the little fellah was OK? and blown out of the water!!

Conversly if he did show violent intent.................terminate the whole bloody crew, strip the boat and sink her!

[the1much]

i think it matters a whole lot on WHERE you are safey,,,if you guys were in waters known to be pirate waters,,,then,,,your cheif officer should have been blown out of the water,just for not having the brains of a pimple,,,and sorry to say,,,with all you innocent guys on board,,,,,,,,in a situation like that,,,ya need to ask whats more important,,him or you,,hehe ;)

[RHP]

Apparantly the locals have responded to pressure and in a novel way. They have said anyone caught pirating will be punished under sharia law and either put to death or will be maimed.

These guys are more afraid of the local mad mullah than an F16 they cant see.

[Fanie]

Would be handy to have an F16 close by. You have to pinch your nose close to talk to them though, they usually respond netter to co-pilots :D

Better make really sure they know which boat is yours and which belongs to the pirates :D

He he... St Peter, I told the pilot twice WE are the one with the black flag :D

[longliner45]

pirates are everywhere,,great lakes ,ciggerette and drugs (prescription ,from canada),,,,illegal dope from the rivers and lakes ,,,,not to mention open sea,,,its like this ,,in ohio we have ccw law ,you can carry a conciled weapon ,with permits ,, or risk the out come of not having a weapon when the bad guys come ,,so it is clear to me ,,carry onboard,,,,,if ya get caught with it ,,what will they do ? probably very severe punishment ,,,so buy the 303 enfield ,,150 bucks ,,ak47 ,,300 bucks ,,12 gauge pump ,,250 ,,,and if ya have to ,,throw them overboard,,,,,,,,,thats the same as a few tanks of gas,,,,,,,get a spine and be prepard,,and remember ,,the bad guys dont play by the rules,,,longliner

[safewalrus]

totally agree there 'liner, but there again I've said that before somewhere! What's needed are simple short range weapons that spray a lot of stuff - shotgun, M10 etc! Blast the shell out of the buggers strip the boat when all are dead (only non identifiable stuff of course) and set fire to it using your flare gun! If you must report it dump all the weapons save the flare gun - thats legal of course! If going into port and not sure of the reception by customs etc waterproof your weapons and drop overboard just off shore with a bouy on 'em pick em up on the way out if you can, if you can't keep going! As long as there is no ID on the bag your OK Simple really!!


As for 'rules' there is only one - Survive!

[redtech]

walrus and liner are right, there are pirates everywhere and the best you can do is be ready to do something about it when it's your turn. i vote for a shot gun less prep time to get a shot at your target, more point and shoot and less aiming

[Fanie]

On a vast piece of water someone else have no business getting close to you with their boat. The only time other boats are closeish is when they are all fishing an area, but never the less if another boat gets too close it becomes a safety risk as well.

If another boat shows interest, tell him to bugger off. If they fail to respond show them you mean it. If they hang around, report them. Not sure if they would respond to a charge of suspicion on suspicion...

[safewalrus]

Yeah but Fanie, in international waters who do you report him to? and who would pay any notice? No good calling "international rescue" when the are miles away - theres a time to talk and warn and a time to act, but when you do act it must be fast and loud - the shotgun is my action of choice, closely followed by some kind of machine carbine / sub machine gun! And a petrol bomb down the hatch! Trouble is the price of petrol these days..............(mind you with an outboard on board and those empty wine bottles how easy is it to make and who would know?)

[Fanie]

Yes I agree Wallie, petrol bombs have become near unaffordable nowadays. Maybe one could make hydrogen bombs aboard using a solar panel and sea water... :eek:

[safewalrus]

Or carry a big stick!

[TeddyDiver]

Yes I agree Wallie, petrol bombs have become near unaffordable nowadays. Maybe one could make hydrogen bombs aboard using a solar panel and sea water... :eek:
Or think green and use Pine terpentine and good moonshine stirred (not shaked) Some Maizena and syrup to make it sticky. And popcorn make it more fun:P

[safewalrus]

Wow Teddy that sounds fun - not that wood alcohol stuff tho' makes you blind - eventually!

[longliner45]

never never ,,waste good shine

[lazeyjack]

if ya avoid the places just because of them,,,they'll get bigger balls then they have now,,and THEIR territory will get bigger by the day,,,,f*ck that,,,how is it these countries can have any kind of police, armed services (they could even pay bush for "his" help) and blow the f*ckers off the damned map,,do this 3 or 4 times,,,,i bet their kids think of a different career then dad had,,hehe ;)
yes Much I agree
some of my owners have cruised up there with no trouble
Charlie I spose you are off to buy your arsenal, now the supreme crt ruled, on an archaic 200 yr law that is no longer applicable to this day and age, Pirates are nowhere near as barbaric as some of you lot, particulary the lot from Virginia, , But hey I know YOU and Much are not advocates :))

[lazeyjack]

you a re all stupid, really the only way is a boat made from Corten, with an ack ack pom pom, on deck, a bucket full of grenades , OR walrus could come on deck , he's so bloody ugly , the pirates would run away

[the1much]

haha,,,the only piracy i advocate,,is rammin a lobster thief with a 50 cal.,,,then we jus usually shoot @ em from shore :D ,,,and if we put the seal on deck,,,we would jus chase em inland,,where they would drink all our beer hehe ;)

[safewalrus]

theone - this aquatic mammal would (drink all your beer!) if he was there, thats for sure!

[the1much]

hehe,,,ya,,,i had that feelin,,,so i filled the holds full ;)

[safewalrus]

proper job!

[the1much]

my father was a fisherman,,,he "taught" me right,,hehe :D

[safewalrus]

Good man, so was mine and your right! Mind you he fished when there were fish, not like now!

[TeddyDiver]

never never ,,waste good shine

There's a lot more where it cames from :D

[Frosty]

Good man, so was mine and your right! Mind you he fished when there were fish, not like now!

Had you been drinking beer when you posted that one Safe?

[safewalrus]

of course not - rum actually!!

[Frosty]

And how many Cornish pasties to wash it down with.

[masalai]

Pirates, ? where?

Niters all, Mornin all, hehe

[safewalrus]

Mornin? Mas, only in Frosties warped mind I think, the real ones have long since scarpered!

[Trevlyns]

Just harking back to my original post - don't worry, I know these things get out of hand as soon as "the gang" step in. :D

I've been following the story on Noonsite and the captors have just upped their ransom from 1 to 2 million US dollars!

[the1much]

and theres ONLY 1 reason they did that.................
the @sshole are still alive.

[masalai]

Or else they are not and they want to make it seem as though they are?

[the1much]

no i mean the pirates,,,,if they were'nt alive,,they couldnt raise the ransom.

[longliner45]

who is feeding yeman??,,,cutt off thier food supllies

[the1much]

apparently it wasnt yeman,,it was samolia,,,,theres been an update,,,seems like they need to blow a whole village away,,,,wasnt jus pirates,,the local fishermen are involved too,,,,,like i said,,,,,aim the rockets...........
http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2008-06-24-3

[longliner45]

time to give some more ..(plumpy nut),,this dont just happen ,,govt ,must support it ,,if govt was ligit,this would not happen,,,,,,while Im at it ,I will explain plumpynut,,,it is a peanut butter food suppliment,,given by us and other free world countrys,,to africa ,,espeasially somallia,,,,but the local gorrilla forces were intercepting the product and using it to feed thier soldiers,,,,US got wind of this( finally)and set up a sting ,,for months the air drop was at a certain location ,,so every month or 2 weeks ,the plumpynut plane arived,,,,,,but on this certain day ,3 ac130 gunships made the delivery ,wiping out a large somoly force,,,some of you will scoff at me for my thoughts .but how about this one........(apathy kills more than action),,longliner

[safewalrus]

Nice job by the sound of it! Well done to the US airforce (for them as know Bravo Zulu's all round!)

[masalai]

Safie are you planning to migrate to USA?

[safewalrus]

You mean you detect a slight amount of grovelling -naw just telling it like it is! wouldn't want to go there, soon have a philomon in charge -well he's making like he is already with his victory parade around the world - or is that a case of get in whilst you can - afore somebody shoots ya? Trouble is as we know what happens in the states happens over here three weeks later (or it does with this gubernment) now there's something to look forward to! Think I'd rather have a good 5h1t! At least it's easier to get rid of! (smell's about the same)