C. Morejohn is Brainwashing my freind

[clodgo]

no message, that's all.

[masalai]

can we hijack the thread for drivel or are you going to add to and explain your headline? - - Sounds like a "grumpy old bastard type of post? - - Beware of what you say as if it becomes "defamatory" it may be removed and you, which is not good for you or us as readers/contributors....

[clodgo]

Hello,

Please don't hijack my thread ;]

I think his work is very nice. My friend owns a 35 foot boat of his design. It is the original (I think) "Hogfish"

My friend has recently decided that my design is very bad because Mr. MoreJohn thinks it is bad, however Mr. MoreJohn has never looked at it.

This is not constructive in any way. I would appreciate either a bit of advice, or nothing at all. I believe that he is being arrogant.

Chris

[masalai]

So post it here and get abused/assisted by everyone, That is the objective - - have fun and help boating enthusiasts live longer and enjoy their boating :D:D Good sailing and fair winds...

[clodgo]

It is posted here! Check my gallery masalai. it is updated regularly and I would like to know what people think. Please be honest, I can take it ;]

[masalai]

The need - to be honest - is what do you want to do with your boat, and then what do you hope to achieve long term...

[masalai]

Is that all your work (in website?- ) - - if so absolutely fantastic.... Good on you... Your gallery needs to be enhanced by your other work....

[clodgo]

Hello Masalai,

My boat is intended for weekend camping and coastal sailing. long term, I am hoping to live in a coastal town and open a furniture shop. Maybe someday I'll make a larger boat that I can live on.

I think that I am being pretty realistic.

Cheers,

Chris

[clodgo]

Thanks Masalai,

All my work on the website. I've been at it for a while...

Chris

[the1much]

i brainwashed my "ole lady",,,,,,, i jumped on her douche ,, hehe :D:P;)

[the1much]

some bad@ss woodwork man,,,the minute i see the pic with ya outside,,,i knew you were up theyah,,,,....ayah,,,,ive been theyah,,,,,thaht rrood duhn go nowheyah,,,stahs rite theyah all dah ;)

[clodgo]

Hey 1,

Thanks, I try to kick some arse when I can. lets see what happens in the next few weeks, maybe the beginning of a half way decent sailboat!

Chris

[longliner45]

lets see some pics....

[the1much]

longy,,,if ya go to his web site he has pics there,,,,for some reason noone told him how lazy we are and that he should put up pics of at LEAST his boat,,hehe ;) ,,,ya chris,,,im from maine,,,only been in texas 6 years,,,so the minute i see the trees i looked to see where you was from,,,,,,good work man,,,specially for being in boston hehe ;)

[safewalrus]

So direct me to the clods site?

[the1much]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/c_portfolio/

[the1much]

im chargin him $10 fer helpin his site out,,hehe ;)

[masalai]

Click on his name at the left of his post (same as you would tosend a PM), then you will see an option "view clodgo's website", click on that & "wallah" - - (sigh) :D:D:D

[Knut Sand]

Nice drawings, nice woodwork... really.:)
That roller desk...... Loved those lines...:)

To the boat; is the front cabin long enough to lie down in, or do you plan to stick the legs down under the seats in the outdoor area?

[masalai]

Bloody stupid "narrowband" died and caused me to be logged out??

I reckon that clodgo has more smarts than many (anyway smarter than me), with first public project, small and simple enough to be tested and built of almost anything (cardboard & gluestick even) - this "dick-head" (me) went full size final vision first and made a real 5hit of a go of it - - and that woodwork and artistic capability is still making me feel grossly inadequate, inept and jealous :D:D:D:D:D

[Meanz Beanz]

Manie should like it... very cute little beasty :D

[clodgo]

Hello,

Thanks for the inspiring words.

Knut Sand, yes, I've got almost eight feet of space Including the space under the cockpit floor. There is a water ballast under the cabin floor which I know very little about but it's 4" tall. The chine runners are shorter than they used to be and I'm not sure of the exact position they should be in. At their widest point they are just forward of the center of effort on the sail and angle inward and downward by 2 degrees. There is no centerboard but I'll be leaving room for one if the thing sails like a dog.

I think I owe the 1 about 40 bucks at this point, will you be willing to settle for 40 internets?:P

Anyway, pick the thing to pieces if you like, that's why I post the drawings. I don't really know as much as I would like to, I never will, a student for life I suppose.

Chris

[the1much]

well maybe when i go to maine again ill stop by and instead of money ya can give me a ride on that boat,,,,,well,,could stick me in it,, and tie a long rope to it,,,push me out,,then pull me back,,hehe ;) ,,but no sails,,,,,i hate boats enough without the sails :D

[Meanz Beanz]

There is no centerboard but I'll be leaving room for one if the thing sails like a dog.

Save some time and money, put one in now. Dollars to doughnuts it will be uncontrollable without one.

Cheers
MBz

[clodgo]

your probably right Beanz,

I'd have to sacrifice that interior space. "sorry sweetie, no sweet lovin' tonight unless you can get around that centerboard box"

There must be an alternative other than a centerboard or leeboards. Twin keels might work, Sean Herron sent me a bunch of links. Hmmmmm

Chris

[the1much]

just tell ya "sweety"<he called her that,,,,that means she can see what he's typin,,hehe,,,tell her to start stretchin nows,,,,maybe take a few gymnastic lessons,,,hehe ;)

[Knut Sand]

your probably right Beanz,

"sorry sweetie, no ......x"

Twin keels might work


Got a point there.....
Twin keel....:D

[Knut Sand]

What height is it from the seat area to the boom for the sail? or the top of the seatback (where you'll sit during harder sailing) in a boat like that, you will have to react, when the jiib comes, I would keep it a low as possible, larger sailarea, or shorter arm for the sail to work on, even if it means that you will have to learn the hard way to keep the harddisk out of the way....

Have not seen the top of the rig yet, is it a gaff rig?

[Meanz Beanz]

Wouldn't the board end up just going through the cockpit floor? I guess for feet are going under there? Twin swinging or dagger boards? Would an offset board work ? Might produce some handling idiosyncrasies but it could work well enough.

[safewalrus]

Little trick used on the North East coast of England, by boats called cobles, used off beaches - no 'boards etc use instead a long rudder blade? might work!!

[clodgo]

Thanks Safie,

I'll look into it. I was out on the water today and it occurred to me that half of the people out there are either drunk or stupid so I'm altering the design to include a cowcatcher style ramming device of some sort. It may also be advantageous to be able to submerge occasionally.

Back to the drawing board...

Chris

[Meanz Beanz]

They are both...

[kengrome]

Cute little boat!

Kind of reminds me of my concept of designing 'barrel boats' by taking big barrels and chopping a section out of one end for the cockpits ... :)

I think you'll need more than water ballast to keep her upright in a gust, and more than chine runners to keep her off a lee shore, but I sure like the shape for such a short little thing. How long is she, 9 feet?

[Knut Sand]

I was out on the water today and it occurred to me that half of the people out there are either drunk or stupid so I'm altering the design to include a cowcatcher style ramming device of some sort. It may also be advantageous to be able to submerge occasionally.


Meanz is pretty correct in his correction there, there are some areas where you may find intelligent life. It can however take som time to find it. In a small boat, you will find out that care for your next (like in the Biblical sense), is not a too deeply rooted in all boaters..... So;

Skip the Cowcatcher, add this:

http://www.whalingtimes.com/Harpoon%20Gun%20Diagram%20Page.htm

In a small boat, respect is what you need. ehhh, well the line may be skipped, or not.... If they actually are going in the direction you're intended, it can be a free ride...:D
(but, then; do not aim for the waterline...).

[verbertus]

Ok, nice, almost philosophical thread, but didn't the original poster mention Chris Morejohn?

I contacted him some years ago about the possibility of a new design, a 6 to 8 meter ocean going sharpie. I asked him if he would be willing to design this small sharpie for me in his Hogfish/ Matt Layden style. (No keel, no board).

I received a very enthousiastic response, telling me he was really ready to design something in this size.
After I replied with some of my amateur designer ideas, I never heard from him again! Now, before you think "ah, amateur ideas...", I had given the subject a lot of careful thought, based on my seasailing experience.

My question is, I guess, who's Chris Morejohn? Can someone tell me a bit more about him?
Or maybe the question is: what's the reason some designers are so uncooperative, when offered the chance to create something unique?

Thanks!
Verbertus

[safewalrus]

Who knows? I mean, when we get down to it who is Obama Bin Liner when he's at home anyway? who am I? do I care? Well?

[the1much]

because they like the easy work that pays alot,,,yours was either to hard (doesnt sound it) or he figured he couldnt get enough money outta ya for it.

[safewalrus]

Aye, a bit 'o both methinks one! No fame either, and yer dsigners like their fame they do!!

[verbertus]

Who knows? I mean, when we get down to it who is Obama Bin Liner when he's at home anyway? who am I? do I care? Well?

Ha, no, I really don't care about who is Chris Morejohn in his private life. I am asking about him as a designer/boatbuilder, the creative guy who dared to construct his Hogfish boats.

[safewalrus]

Who? what did he do? what's a hogfish boat? does it matter? wellnot to most of the world anyway so he obviously don't account for much, 'cept maybe to his bank manager!!

[verbertus]

the creative guy who dared to construct his Hogfish boats.

and sail them across oceans.

[safewalrus]

again why?

[verbertus]

Here's some info (http://www.sailingtexas.com/ssharpie40a.html)

No keel, goes to windward with centerboard raised

[masalai]

Oh a flat bottomed barge?

[Knut Sand]

Clodgo,

you could have two external keels, like this:

http://members.tiscali.at/falckwe/zuiderzee/070801-72.jpg ?

and a fock sail, on a telescope boom, can follow the side of the boat to the center line... If you understand my idea...?

[Meanz Beanz]

Stub keel that house's a swinging centerboard, like the old trailer sailors, shoal draft, will take ground and no cabin intrusion as its all external.

http://www.mitchellyachts.co.uk/grafix/generix/swing-bulb-keel.jpg

Not the best pic, had a little more conservative in mind, it also gives the benefit of some lateral resistance board up.

[masalai]

Don't even need to be that fancy, the chopper gun Court 650 and 750 mono sail boats had a swing galvanised sheet-steel "keel" that worked quite well and did not intrude too much http://svc048.wic007tv.server-web.com/c650.htm though somewhat bigger than discussed here.... Known in USA # Thousands have been built in the U.S. as the Catalina 22!
# Modern in the late 70's featuring pop-top and fully moulded interior, clever swing keel design to maximise interior space. copied from another ad in Aussy.....

[Knut Sand]

Liked the keel Meanz found here, btw,

The boat design look pretty much like scaled up version of the "a-jolle" , but with a deck. btw; they can sail, sort of - fun. We had/ have these here in Norway, found out that in the US of A, it goes under the "The optimist Pram class". Come to think of it, I've sunk one of those, that keel does not take unplanned grounding too nice, the keelbox crashes.....:rolleyes: Had forgotteen that episode......

More information if you google for above words, or some info here too:
http://www.optiworld.org/epoxy.html

Hmmm come to think of it.....
Cut off 2 feet in front...
http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/AD14_study.htm?prod=AD14

Inspiration can be gathered everywhere...

[clodgo]

Thanks guys,

So, I lowered the seats, the mast and boom. Most of the crap that I get from people has to do with the front transom. Just so you know; LOA= 10.5' beam=4.5' , sail (gaff rigged) area is 58 sq. ft. The curve of the sides and rocker is 1/8th the length of a 16' double ender with about a third cut off the back and about a foot and a half chopped off the front.

The details are making my nuts....:P

I've been on vacation for two weeks and so I've spent way too much time working on it, starting to talk to myself...

Thanks for the links!:)

Chris

[Meanz Beanz]

The details are making my nuts....:P


Ache? :D

[clodgo]

I am unfamiliar with the native Gorilla tongue, however I will assume that you are also not very exited about numbers and such, or have had too much coffee.

[Meanz Beanz]

me, my, pot ate O', po tart O' ..... Joke Joyce? :D

my nuts ache for different reasons.... that makes me nuts!

[clodgo]

oops, I've made a funny typo:P

[masalai]

This is piracy (very friendly so please do not get cross) please go to http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23088 and give Fanie some "good rep points" and sign it as I have done to your rep (post 51) to see your points, click on "User CP" at the top of the page on the left.... Some of the story is on todays drivel thread.... Thanks and good sailing

[clodgo]

Hello,

Up near the little picture of the mouse with the circle thing around it, it says "Junior Member". They're not kiddin', I don't even know about points but just this weekend I tried to restore an old antique dining room table and some a'hole SCREWED THE BLOODY LEAVES IN! They are permanently damaged, very unfortunate.

It would have been a lovely table.

Chris

[Knut Sand]

old antique dining room table and some a'hole SCREWED THE BLOODY LEAVES IN! They are permanently damaged, very unfortunate.

It would have been a lovely table.

Chris

Ok, I get confused :confused: in here today, somthing language, methink...

Ok; What is a "leave" in a table?

[Knut Sand]

Here's some info (http://www.sailingtexas.com/ssharpie40a.html)

No keel, goes to windward with centerboard raised


?

How high up into the wind can she go?
Is it the hullshape that partly acts as a keel? (for low heel, that will be...?)

:confused:

[Meanz Beanz]

Ok, I get confused :confused: in here today, somthing language, methink...

Ok; What is a "leave" in a table?

The original was "Leave the bloody screws in" as uttered by Fanie... we mashed it up a bit for fun. So many words sound the same in Engrish!

[verbertus]

?

How high up into the wind can she go?
Is it the hullshape that partly acts as a keel? (for low heel, that will be...?)

:confused:

Hi Knud,

I don't know how high she can point, as I have no personal experience with this kind of boat.
Yes, the hull shape is part of the trick, but the "secret" is below the water..in the second picture in the link (http://www.sailingtexas.com/ssharpie40a.html) I gave, you can see something protruding from the chine. That's what's usually called "chine runners", something invented by Matt Layden in the late eighties and further perfected over the years.
You can find more information about Matt Layden and his boats on:

http://www.microcruising.com/

Another source of information is the microcruising yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microcruising/)

As far as I know Chris Morejohn is the only designer-builder who has taken this chine runner concept out of the "microcruising" scale and applied it to 40 foot+ ocean cruisers (his "Hogfish" sharpies)

As for the efficiency of the chine runners, there are now enough Paradox sailors using them and testifying they work very well. Matt Layden once said a centerboard would do a better job when going to windward, but he prefers to be able to really sail in very shallow water and he hates moving parts aboard his cruisers. In very small boats, not having to live around a centerboard case, is of course a blessing.

Chine runners have a close cousin in the multihull world: the anti-vortex plate.
They're similar in theory, although designed for the much higher catamaran speeds. One designer using anti-vortex plates is Bernd Kohler (http://www.ikarus342000.com/), who has written an article about them, that you can download here (http://www.ikarus342000.com/Looseends.htm)

I only started replying in this thread, because of the name C.Morejohn in the title. I was hoping to read his ideas.
It would have been more interesting if the OP would have explained how and why Chris Morejohn is "brainwashing his friend"....

best regards

[verbertus]

Ooops, "in the second picture in the link (http://www.sailingtexas.com/ssharpie40a.html) I gave", should be: "in the third picture"

[charmc]

Ok, I get confused :confused: in here today, somthing language, methink...

Ok; What is a "leave" in a table?

In a table, a leaf is a portion of the top surface designed to be either removed or folded down; conversely, to be inserted or folded up to enable more seating capacity.

Whether his tale is true or made up, it seems Chris is enamored of wordplay. Add that to his woodworking skills and desire to design and build an "out of the box" boat and it's obvious he's offbeat enough to fit in well here. :D

[charmc]

Chris,

To get back to your earlier comments: your friend is obviously jealous of the commodious belowdecks space your design has. A Morejohn sharpie of that length would have a beam of about 29 inches. By providing such a broad beam you've enabled luxury previously unheard of in a microcruiser. To heck with Morejohn and those other narrow beam guys, get a satellite TV subscription and a solar heater to make a hot tub of your water ballast, microcruise in luxury (oxymoron?)!! :D :D :D Of course, maybe he just doesn't like the forward cabin. I'd give his views weight in direct proportion to his financial or sweat contributuion to the project. ;)

Zoe has a bit more beam than Morejohn's earlier work; closer to what you are planning. This site has good photos, including some nice interior layout shots that illustrate how much you can cram into a small space.
http://home.alltel.net/ifida/home.alltel.net_000001.htm

[clodgo]

Hello,

Verbertus , Thanks for the links. As for Mr. morejohn, I think he's pretty innovative and I actually like his approach to building and design. My friend is in Florida paying him a visit and doing some minor repairs to "Hogfish", (the original I think). Anyhow, this friend of mine had been, at least to a small degree assisting me with some of my ideas and was exited to get back to Boston and help me build it! He even brought up the idea (should the design be successful) of selling the cad plans and setting it up for CNC production, and so on, blah blah blah.:rolleyes:

My friend who I've been sending drawings to, mentioned the boat to Mr. M and he REFUSED to look at them because I am a first time boat builder. He told my friend that the boat was a stupid waste of time without even having a quick look. After a while my friend started telling me that it was a stupid waste of time, the pram is stupid, the beam is too wide, the sailplan is no good and so on. Needless to say, I'll be doing the work myself. It only makes me more determined to be honest.:P

Charlie, Thanks, I have looked at the Paradox and I just can't imagine spending a romantic weekend with my girlfriend all crammed up in such a narrow boat. Otherwise I like the design. Also the bit about the table is true, I fixed it up as best I could and I'm using it as a desk right now! The leaves were too screwed up to put the thing in the kitchen.

STOP SCREWING THE LEAVES IN

Best,

Chris

[safewalrus]

ah but was the bloke who screwed the leaves in the same bloke wot screwed the table (see the Drivel fred)

[charmc]

Hello,

My friend who I've been sending drawings to, mentioned the boat to Mr. M and he REFUSED to look at them because I am a first time boat builder. He told my friend that the boat was a stupid waste of time without even having a quick look. After a while my friend started telling me that it was a stupid waste of time
Best,

Chris

I repeat my statement about giving weight to others' comments in direct proportion to their financial or sweat contribution to the project. You gave the best possible justification for some extra beam. Enjoy. :)

[Knut Sand]

Thanks guys,

So, I lowered the seats, the mast and boom. Most of the crap that I get from people has to do with the front transom. Just so you know; LOA= 10.5' beam=4.5' , sail (gaff rigged) area is 58 sq. ft.

Lower seat=lower COG=good. Lower mast/ boom= less capseizing arm= good.

I think you could look at the link i found.... here somwhere in this thread, the "optimist pram" (A-jolla in Norwegian...), just to ease your mind. I'm pretty sure that the shape is pretty similar, only smaller, and it sails.... If your sail isn't working according to plan, a slight change toward an upscaled version of that for the "optimist pram" should be possible...

The square front transom.... Ok, it will slow you down, if it is crashing into the water, but; most of the meat will be placed aft, so why shouldn't it work and go above?

On the other hand, i'm no real sailor.... just a "tiny" hasbeen....:D

[Knut Sand]

In a table, a leaf is a portion of the top surface designed to be either removed or folded down; conversely, to be inserted or folded up to enable more seating capacity.


Ah, that's where I normally clip my fingers.......:rolleyes:

[Knut Sand]

My friend who I've been sending drawings to, mentioned the boat to Mr. M and he REFUSED to look at them because I am a first time boat builder. He told my friend that the boat was a stupid waste of time without even having a quick look. After a while my friend started telling me that it was a stupid waste of time, the pram is stupid, the beam is too wide, the sailplan is no good and so on. Needless to say, I'll be doing the work myself. It only makes me more determined to be honest.:P


"he REFUSED to look at them because I am a first time boat builder"

Pretty arrogant, methinks... If he had some common sense, he would take a short look at least, if not, only to make an opinion for himself. Without looking, its like saying "I don't like pancakes" without ever haveng tasted one....:rolleyes:

I like your approach to this problem, will it work...? I do not know, but I'll be crossing my fingers on the day (probably not needed).:D

[clodgo]

Hello,

I've separated the boat into a few parts, like a ham sandwich. Lower bun is the hull, upper bun is the cabin. In between is some ham and cheese. Things are starting to taste better.

[masalai]

You may make a better cook than most restaurants if your carpentry and associated work are anything to go by - that feed looks quite good.... well done..... Now to build it, which I am sure will be like a walk in the park. Enjoy your pleasures...

[the1much]

doesnt it remind ya of those "wooden clogs"? hehe ;)

[the1much]

there was an old clodgo who sailed in a shoe,,he had so many leaks,,he didnt know what to do. ,,hehe ;)

[masalai]

So he can call the boat his "Little Dutch Clog" with some affection....

[clodgo]

I've been told about the wooden clogs before, yup, it's like a shoe...:rolleyes:

[masalai]

And often what is "wearing it", is cute.... hehe

[Knut Sand]

And often what is "wearing it", is cute.... hehe

Huhh? You call me cute...?:confused:

[masalai]

Hay I may be deaf but I am certainly not blind - - Who is cute? Oh the little booties you wear, as I was talking about little Dutch Clogs on little Dutch Girls - does that description fit?

Please donate to the Fanie project and I will forgive you your sins.... my son, or would you prefer 1000 "hail mary's"?



hehehe all in a good cause and I am doing a night shift - see it is 10:30 pm local time :D:D:D:D:D:D

[Meanz Beanz]

Sabot (clog), make a big Sabot... then it will sail OK...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabot_(dinghy)

[Knut Sand]

Sabotasje is a word derived from the French word Sabot (which is wooden shoe), if I recall correctly...

The first computers were the large spinning machines (not sure thats the right word there...). They used pressurized air, to lift the thread up/ down, and when the piston hit a closed plate, the thread didn't lift; I/0 operation. These plates were on a band, different patterns, moving, making it possible to make cloth with different patterns.

A revolution.

This was a large industry, many employees, mostly women, badly in need for a regular income. They had wooden shoes...
The system on top of the machine, didn't take a wooden shoe too well, lots of small parts kickin away at full speeddriven by pressurized air...
Sabot-sabotasje...

843 hail marys now...

[Meanz Beanz]

I dunno? All I know is as a kid I sailed a Sabot and it had a wooden clog on the sail :D

[Knut Sand]

And I just drifted off, in my usual way....:D

[Meanz Beanz]

http://www.santanasailboats.com/boats/sabot/Sabot%202.jpg

[Knut Sand]

Hmmm, anyone heard from Clodgo? I kinda like this minimized idea...

[safewalrus]

hey Heinz that sure makes your toes curl eh!

[clodgo]

Hey folks,
I'm still here, just had to take some time away from all this boat sillyness. The boat is under way, and my old friend is as well. 15 years of friendship down the shitter over a 10 1/2' micro cruiser...:rolleyes:

[masalai]

not a good friend in need then? - parting is never nice but you have all your future in front of you....

[the1much]

ya,,i think the same way,,,wasnt much of a friend,,,, but least ya figured that out before it caused MAJOR problems.

[clodgo]

Thanks guys, whatever the outcome I'm already building the thing. So far so good, we'll see what happens.

[Knut Sand]

Ok, sorry I didn't get that friend thing there, passed me by completely.
If 6 to 8 plates of ply is what it takes to bust a friendship....? Better sooner than later then maybe? I will check project progress, am a bit curious to how she'll sail, you know.

"there is nothing -absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. ...".;)

[safewalrus]

Echo that one, if he wants to walk away over a smallish boat let him walk. OK we can all disagee at times but hell to actually walk...............he may be back but well would you drink with him? What you mean, if he's paying?

[clodgo]

I'll drink withe the man but I ain't gonna talk about boats...I'm also not buying:p

[Meanz Beanz]

Boats bring out intense emotion... try selling them, it can get curly... money & boats can create an interesting cocktail of dreams and ego... lots of time spent tippy toeing around some issues.... crazy stuff. Throw in a full moon and yikes!

[the1much]

Boats bring out intense emotion... try selling them, it can get curly... money & boats can create an interesting cocktail of dreams and ego... lots of time spent tippy toeing around some issues.... crazy stuff. Throw in a full moon and yikes!

i wonder if THATS why whenever a "owner" come to visit his boat,,, management would find something way, way, WAY away from the boat for me to do?:confused: :D

[masalai]

Yes :D:D:D:D

[Meanz Beanz]

i wonder if THATS why whenever a "owner" come to visit his boat,,, management would find something way, way, WAY away from the boat for me to do?:confused: :D


Prolly... you might be honest about how his wife.... errrr boat looks.

If most buyers met most sellers most deals would not get done.

Had one bloke list his boat forsale... said its the wife or the boat, spent the next four hours detailing everything about the boat... this thing was rare, technically close to perfect... everything done right, best materials, best practice and well thought out. Hard to sell in a way because most buyers are clueless as to why paying twice as much for this thing was in fact a bargain. Anyway, I never got to try ----> first thing the next morning he was on the doorstep grinning ---> **** it, its the wife, I will never find another boat like this. I had to agree the boat would have been harder to replace than the wife ----> especially if you owned such a stunning boat. :D

[the1much]

haha ha ,,,, it would be funny,,, they would walk over to me,,, look at the ground,, and say,,,"Jim,, the owner is comming tomorrow, and well,, we're all KINDA use to your "ways" but, they may not be,, do ya think ya could be "scarce" when they show up?"
my usual answer,,,,,"yups,, i'll go down back to the compressor room,, and have a few "meds",, send someone for me when its "safe",,hehe ;) ,,, true story!
i used to have my own "meds room" connected to the glass shop (furnace room),, then they had to put in about $200 worth of sheetrock so that my "fumes" didnt fill the glass shop,,,,hahaha : )-~~~~~~~

[the1much]

hahaha,,,,,thats funny Beaanzy!!,,, my fist thought would have been,,, bye bye ole lady :D

[Meanz Beanz]

hahaha,,,,,thats funny Beaanzy!!,,, my fist thought would have been,,, bye bye ole lady :D


Apparently she over played her hand!

[the1much]

haha,,, they (wemen) always think they got what we want,,,,,,, too bad they were'nt as faithful as a boat,,hehe :D

,,,,,,,,,,, and ya,,, i would tell an owner exactly what i thought bout hi boat,,hehe,,,i told 1 dude his puke yellow boat should be used as a target,,,,,i wasnt invited to the "boats finished" party,,,hahaa :D:D

[the1much]

im watching the dudes at "old town canoe" build there boats,,,,is better being there in person,,,,,,,damned t.v.

[safewalrus]

Whats wrong with puke yellow? bloody handy if your a lousy sailor! The sick don't show down the sides!

[the1much]

haha Saferz,,, it looked like a big banana,,,would of been alright on a sailboat,, but not on a power downeaster.

[Meanz Beanz]

http://www.australiantraveller.com/site_files/s1001/images/dec05/006banana1.jpg

[Meanz Beanz]

http://www.baobabmarine.com/pp/uploads/side/yacht-yellow-cat.jpg

[the1much]

hahahaha,,, yup,, just like em,, and in maine,, its not a place to "show it off" hahaha ;)