Rope tied to a thimble

[Fanie]

Hello,

How is a rope tied to a thimble so it looks neat ?

I have a couple of places I would like to use thimbles instead of just knotting...

[charmc]

I've always spliced to my thimbles.

If you have to make a knot, I'd guess a bowline or any knot designed to remain tight under both strain and release of tension.

[Fanie]

Ok, how do you splice these ropes ?

Cables you can crimp together by using ferrules and a crimping tool. Anything like this possible with ropes ?

[charmc]

Braided line eye splice: http://www.albacore.ca/project/splice.html

3 strand line eye splice: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/SpliceRope.htm

Not too difficult with a bit of practice. I learned how when I was young and foolish (as opposed to my present condition of middle aged and foolish). :)

[Fanie]

Thanks Charlie,

The rope I have is round with a core... it may not be so easy to this one.

[deepsix]

I presume that the rope you have is double braid. I like the new england ropes splicing guide http://www.neropes.com/SplicingGuideChoice.aspx, you can also use the samson ropes guide http://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?page=28. These seem very complicated at first but work through the steps its actually pretty simple. Dont worry about all the fancy tools "fids" that they say you need, just get some stainless steel siezing wire and bend it in half it works fine. Regular Galvanised wire works on larger diameter ropes(8mm and larger).

What are the lines you want to splice for?

[Fanie]

Hi Deepsix,

Looks like the double braid !

One app is the rope that pulls the daggerboards up, I have it as 10mm rope working around a pulley system between the daggerboard an the daggerboard sheeth to reduce the force you have to use to pull a board up. The rope goes round a 12mm SS bolt... with a thimble in it so it won't scarfe the rope.

[deepsix]

Sounds like a double braid eye splice is the correct splice. They are one of the more tricky splices to do but its just takes a little practise. You can try removing some cover from the end of the rope. The core is usually 12 strand braid, so you do a mobius brummel eye splice in the end of the core(very simple) and then bury the cover just before the splice. The racers often remove the cover on part of their sheets to make them lighter. You will reduce the breaking load of the line because the cover does take some load.

My trunk/sleeve/sheath what ever you call it, is a cored fiberglass. There is no core in a narrow section in the middle to make a channel that the lines run in. I just drilled a hole through the case and tied a stopper knot on the outside. You could stick a piece of allu on to the glass, drill the hole and then file the hole smooth so it does not chafe.

[Meanz Beanz]

Some more splicing cheat sheets...

I like the splice they use on super braid (spectra), I can do that one well..

http://www.donaghys.com/fileadmin/downloads/BRCO/Superbraid_Eye_Splice.pdf

I always have more trouble with this one, milking the cover back over the core can get quite tough in my experience...

http://www.donaghys.com/fileadmin/downloads/BRCO/Double_Braid_Eye_Splice.pdf

I like using fids and I reckon they are worth it, personal preference I guess.

[Fanie]

Fixed up ! Thanks everyone, I have enough documentation on splicing to keep me busy for a year... :D

[safewalrus]

Personally the place your talking abut Fnie I'd use wire, splice it if you want, or chat the modern way (modern sailors CAN'T splce worth a ****) and use ferrules or that bigger abomination - the bulldog grip!! At least that way you can tighten up occasionally! but hey so it use a fouging big knot!! Works on parcels!!

[Landlubber]

On centreboard/dagger boards, use Dyneema braidline, thin and exceptionally strong, very durable if spliced around a decent thimble. The poly cover is immaterial to the strength of this stuff really.

Safewalrus, modern sailors splice far better than the "olde fellas", really, try giving a plaited rope of over 16 strands to an old salt to splice, he will say impossible....I am "only" 59, and can splice anything that I have ever seen, albiet some are very difficult. Wire splices of old were simple compared to fine braidline of today...try it! Sisal, hemp and cotton lines are a snack by comparison, unless the bloody cotton is tight wound and full of dried salt, then you have a problem, almost becomes a wire splice then eh!

[charmc]

(modern sailors CAN'T splce worth a ****)

Speak for thyself, oh huge and ugly sea creature! :D :D

I've never purchased a "docking line" or "anchor rode". Always bought bulk line and made my own. Tapered them also, so no loose ends flapping like the pre-made "dock lines".

Judging by deepsix's and Landlubber's posts, I'm not unique.

Well, according to a few folks I am unique (thankfully, they say), but not because of any splicing skills. :D :D

[Fanie]

Of course you are unique Charlie, just like everyone else :D

[Meanz Beanz]

I dunno I figured he meant the splices I've been doing most my life are some how not up to scratch. I've never lost one and they look good to me, not as fancy as some of the work bored sailors at sea come up with but then I have a life as well :D

I never tried a wire to rope splice.... but they went and invented spectra so I ditched all the wire anyway :D

I'm an individual! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qANMjwLmo6Y)

[masalai]

Safie, may I suggest, whilst "splicing the mainbrace" you try splicing some rope - it is more therapeutic than knitting (and knitting is not very manly - even in the days of the guillotine across your ditch)... then there is other knotty stuff "old seadogs" are supposed to do to entertain themselves whilst sitting in the sun outside the local pub waiting to be GIVEN the next mug of booze..... :D:D:D:D:P

Good site Heinz, Life of brian - very - - - - - me?

[safewalrus]

Well that got all you hairy old salts going didn't it? mind you there bain't be too many o'ye complaining - so maybe the statement is true????

Actually the most awkward splice I every did was in three strand!!! No problem I hear you say - not really unless its in SEAMING TWINE! Gets a bit tricky at that size!

and Heinz, when was the last time you pointed and becketed a rope?? I ain't done any for a couple of years now ('bout 30) then it was a couple of manropes for a companionway!!

and yep, most modern sailors can't splice worth a ****, these days!!

[masalai]

I'll splice the mainbrace to that Eye me lads, drink hearty for tomorrow we may die? - Didn't some ******** of a naval captain offer this in preparation for an anticipated battle?

[safewalrus]

Aye, twas always the way in less unsophisticated days gone by, just before the battle they opened up the spirit locker and gave em all a few wets, stiffened up the backbone for the fight (and o' course if ye did fall it didn't hurt so much -you were to pissed to notice -bit of a bugger when you came round and found some swine had off with yer leg but hey that's life.............or death

[eponodyne]

and yep, most modern sailors can't splice worth a ****, these days!!Duckfeathers! If it's 3-strand I can splice it! Faster'n you, too!

[Meanz Beanz]

and Heinz, when was the last time you pointed and becketed a rope?? I ain't done any for a couple of years now ('bout 30) then it was a couple of manropes for a companionway!!

and yep, most modern sailors can't splice worth a ****, these days!!

I use FIDs with Spectra, Double Braid and the like.... As for the stranded stuff it takes my hands and a whipping hammer at the most. What the fudge else is relevant these days? I can't buy anything I can't splice as required so.... ?

You know those square rigger sailors can't sail for ****, put them in an Etchell and they are last round the course every time.... so...... what the fudge does that mean?

Ya see I can make irrelevant statements as well... :P :D

Go fish...

[waikikin]

Meanz, it might be time to make this "the talk like a pirate" thread hijack or the "talk like a wharfie" thread & be usin' the eff word like a punctuation mark like where you get commas & full stops & more than once in a row as exclamation mark, great in place of a question mark too, man I love workin' on the waterfront where good old fashioned values rule & ye' can piont ye' rope at a becket & wash it all down with a fist full of gils & run ye damned manropes up the companionway all the way to ye bobstay wiv a cutlass in me teef as ye shwing in a broadside aaaarrrrhhh! Regards from Jeff ;)

[masalai]

waikikin, It is after all in the dungeon, so what do you expect?

[Meanz Beanz]

I'm sawy for swearin...... but dad, he said **** first ! :D :p .....

Got a picture of that Jeff? :D

[Meanz Beanz]

waikikin, It is after all in the dungeon, so what do you expect?

A s**t load better than that you **** son of a ****, after all you are a civilised **** of a ***** arn't you.... well you b****d son of Gordon Ramsay... what have you got to say for yourself ?!!!!!!

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(bad humour) :D

[masalai]

Go **** yourself nicely :D:D:D is, I am advised quite an acceptable comment in Australia - f'ck it I cannot remember the case # look the effing thing up yourself my clever friend :D:D:D:D:D (around 2 years ago) - almost as good as an old statute in Queensland which made it a "criminal offence to expectorate on Queen Street in Brisbane..... sometimes the law is funny - even though it is often an ass "Hee-haw" kind not American for ********...

[Meanz Beanz]

Apparently its legal to pee on the right rear wheel of a car. Supposedly an old law from the days of carriages that was never repeealed... :D

[waikikin]

Sorry Meanz, aint got no scurvy pictures of that- need a panarama camera to get all the action see, now wheres me eye patch, parrot, hook & MUA card. I'm still meaning to get some internal seawind shots for ye but last I went down to the seawind I'd run right outa battery power & damn those digi cameras to Davy Jones if they dont chew the AAs like black powder in a broadside. All the best from Jeff. ;)

[safewalrus]

Apparently its legal to pee on the right rear wheel of a car. Supposedly an old law from the days of carriages that was never repeealed... :D


Only if your a Hackney carriage driver, you were not allowed to leave your horse - in this quaint old country we STILL drive on the left (or is it the right side of the road) whereas you colonials tend to drive on the right (or wrong side of the road)! In which case you'd be peeing on the 'off rear wheel' where nobody could see you anyway -apart from the other drivers as they ran you down!

And I WAS FISHING, caught quite a bite as well:D :D :D

[Meanz Beanz]

Yeah....:D but you still know chit about Awstralia... :p we drive on the same bleeding side of the road as you lot.... its because we never had a revolution... you know like "you'll be first against the wall when it comes."

ya know sometimes the fisherman thinks they have a bite... http://foolstown.com/sm/hook2.gif but...? go fish :p

Jeff thanks for the thought! I will post pictures of the hard deck fiasco when I get down to making a mess! Playing with Hi Lube Vesconite and rudder pins at the moment!

[safewalrus]

Heinz most times I was in oztrailia they was driving in the middle of the road! has it changed then?

[Zilver]

I found this knot (see picture). It seems to be meant to tie a thimble to a rope. I like the simplicity.
Does anyone know if it could work with dynema kind of rope ? - it might be too slippery.

Hans

[masalai]

I think it should work on "slippery rope" as it is very close to the method I use to tie fishing line (monofilament) to swivel etc....

[Meanz Beanz]

I'm temped to say...

thatsssss's sthimble...

But I fear the lisp gets lost in the transaltion.

:D

[safewalrus]

works in monofilament works in anything! Just one thing tho' a knot is only a knot if it can be untied! otherwise its a bunch of bastards!!

[Meanz Beanz]

Hey if you splice like a Walrus its a good option, after all you never intend to untie an eye splice :P

[safewalrus]

Actually using a crows foot in the middle of the rope you can! that's the idea of it! To save cutting rope! If your miles from land with not much spare rope it might not be advisable to cut it for a short job!