Hoyt Offset Squarehead Rig

[Doug Lord]

This looks like it could have a lot of potential:
http://www.garryhoyt.com/id19.html

[RHP]

Hi Doug, we have already taken a quick look at that rig here:

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13121&page=2&highlight=hoyt

My after thoughts sort got stuck on one simple question: Why would someone as professional as Hoyt start to promote this rig without having tested it properly in all conditions. Just struck me one night and whilst I like the theory and shots of the yacht sailing around a protected anchorage, I'll wait for him to post up a video of the same yacht in a force 6-7-8 before falling in love with it.

With innovation the emphasis is on the inventor to persuade a sceptical crowd surely.

[Paul B]

Looks like the battens are bending around the mast on this tack, in a very gentle breeze. That can't be good for the camber/shape. How bad is it going to look at twice the windspeed?

[sharpii2]

Hi Doug, we have already taken a quick look at that rig here:

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13121&page=2&highlight=hoyt

My after thoughts sort got stuck on one simple question: Why would someone as professional as Hoyt start to promote this rig without having tested it properly in all conditions. Just struck me one night and whilst I like the theory and shots of the yacht sailing around a protected anchorage, I'll wait for him to post up a video of the same yacht in a force 6-7-8 before falling in love with it.

With innovation the emphasis is on the inventor to persuade a sceptical crowd surely.

I hear ya.

He's going to need another spar at the top of the sail.

The first time he has to double reef, I expect him to discover that.

Once that's fixed, who knows?

[bistros]

Doug just likes it because it has the same silhouette as his aeroSKIFF. Squint looking at his pictures of the aeroSKIFF (you can find them in every thread on any site), and the chop top main and chop top jib along with the masthead gallows looks like this rig from the side.

Validation! Grape minds ferment alike!

[wet feet]

Would it be inaccurate to describe the rig as a balanced lug displaced sideways from the mast by a couple of spacers?

[sharpii2]

Would it be inaccurate to describe the rig as a balanced lug displaced sideways from the mast by a couple of spacers?

Close, but not quite.

The yard fixed to the top of the mast makes it different.

[Doug Lord]

Doug just likes it because it has the same silhouette as his aeroSKIFF. Squint looking at his pictures of the aeroSKIFF (you can find them in every thread on any site), and the chop top main and chop top jib along with the masthead gallows looks like this rig from the side.

Validation! Grape minds ferment alike!
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You're just plain amazing. Thats the best you can do on a topic like this?
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I think Garrys rig has a lot of potential with a higher aspect ratio planform-look forward to seeing one...

[Pericles]

Duplicate the sailcloth onto the other side of the mast and you almost have Ilan's sail.

http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18422&highlight=Soft+wing+sail

[Guillermo]

What's new with Hoyt's rig? The boom? ;)

Cheers.

[Doug Lord]

The offset boom and "gaff",I guess....

[Guillermo]

A nice shot from a 'dorna'. You may realize the simple rigging details. The top yard lift doubles as the only shroud.

Cheers.

[RHP]

Nice to see Hoyt has been so successful selling the concept.... :p

[DanishBagger]

Guillermo, those rigs are beautiful!

Hey, if it came down to it, I'd prefer any of those to the Hoyt, or "even" one of these (I've posted about them before):
http://www.megin.dk/Megin.jpg

[Zilver]

Hello Guillermo,

Those Dorna rigs look very good ! Is this a spanish boat ? I thought to have seen such a boat sailing in Venice.

I think the main differences with the Hoyt rig are that you can (?) use his rig on both tacks and that the head of the sail cannot twist - the boom and gaff are fixed.

Regards,
Hans

[brian eiland]

...Hey, if it came down to it, I'd prefer .... "even" one of these (I've posted about them before):
http://www.megin.dk/Megin.jpg
That's interesting, but how would you reef it??
Brian

[DanishBagger]

That's interesting, but how would you reef it??
Brian


That's interesting, but how would you reef it??
Brian
You can do a couple of different things:
You can use a block at the end of the sprit, you can have a hole a bit further down the sprit, onto which you tie the end of the sail, or you can simply choose to have a second, shorter sprit.
There are propably even more ways, that I have no clue about.

Here's a pretty crappy picture of two of them reefed:
http://www.megin.dk/26.JPG



Btw, here's an bigger one, called "Stormegin" (translates directly into "Grand-megin", "Big-megin"). It's 22 ft:

http://www.viborgsiden.dk/fdf/sejlads/baade/freja.JPG


http://www.lavdal.dk/galleri/album/album26/IMGP1526_1_m.sized.jpg

[brian eiland]

In several pics that diagonal member on the square mainsail appears to be a 'boom' like structure. On a couple of others it appears to be a batten. In this modern-materials day I think the batten idea would win out

[DanishBagger]

All of them are "booms" (spritstays, actually).

[Guillermo]

Those Dorna rigs look very good ! Is this a spanish boat ?
Dornas are traditional fishing boats from my home land, Galicia, in NW Spain. Forms were inherited from the vikings and nowadays a very active racing fleet.

Attached you'll find some drawings from a dorna.

Cheers.

[RHP]

Guillermo, those rigs are beautiful!

Hey, if it came down to it, I'd prefer any of those to the Hoyt, or "even" one of these (I've posted about them before):
http://www.megin.dk/Megin.jpg



I've got a hankerchief that looks like that........ :D

[DanishBagger]

I've got a hankerchief that looks like that........ :D

Someone is asking to be slapped around :P

[RHP]

Chase me, chase me ! :eek:

[Flow]

Sorry to ask the stupid question, but how do you post a new thread?

[Flow]

How do you post a new thread

[DanishBagger]

Chase me, chase me ! :eek:

If you take a look out your window, you'll notice a red sedan parked about 50 yards from you. That's me. :eek:

[DanishBagger]

Sorry to ask the stupid question, but how do you post a new thread?

You go to a subforum and at the top right it says "forum tools". Click that, and the rest should be selfexplanatory.

[Flow]

Thanks...

[DanishBagger]

Thanks...

No problem :)

[RHP]

If you take a look out your window, you'll notice a red sedan parked about 50 yards from you. That's me. :eek:


"Yes thats right officer, one man sat in a red sedan pointing a gun at my house right now......... will the F18 arrive quickly d'you think?" :D

[DanishBagger]

"Yes thats right officer, one man sat in a red sedan pointing a gun at my house right now......... will the F18 arrive quickly d'you think?" :D

Oh, I don't believe in guns, I'm more old-school than that. Did you never wonder how much one can actually do with a piece of string?

(sorry guys, I'll stop this off-topicness now)