Sea sickness

[Manie B]

I as yet have never had it bad - but then i have never been out for more than three days in good weather, 32 ft mono, when does it hit somebody like me, small boat? the unussual motion of a cat? stormy weather? i have even heard of folks getting sick when becalmed = hot - no wind - big swells.

What fixed you? could you still think clearly?

[masalai]

There was quite extensive discussion on boat motion likely to induce sea-sickness here somewhere (sorry for such a useless answer - all I can hope is that someone will see and post a link...:D:D:D:D

Face forward (or the direction where there appears least motion) bend ze knees, to keep the torso vertical and "least moved", breathe deeply fresh (not engine fume) air, eat well and sensibly...??????????????????????

[the1much]

my dad (fisherman all his life) would get sick if moored for over an hour,,,man we would row out to the boat,,and NO SCREWING AROUND! lets get unda wayah!! hehe ;)

[Kaptin-Jer]

Good thread to get started.
My wife got so seasick she actually passed out. This was on a 20' walk around in Key West on a relatively calm day 15 years ago. Now I can't get her to go out on our own boat, a 38' Beneteau, unless it is to cruise up the intercoastal to the first dockside restaurant. We both need help. Something to cure her so I get my mate back. I really don't like sailing alone.

[Landlubber]

The best cure ever for seasickness is "Cling to a gum tree"

Now if you are still silly enough to want to go out on the water, then the best pills i ever used were for morning sickness for women, I forget the name, someone will tell us now, but they certainly worked.

masalai, is right too, try to look toward the horizon, face forward, plenty of fresh air, make some other poor bugger do all the navigation and engine repairs, and try sipping Coke from a glass bottle, it supplies good sugar for energy and bubbles to help the stomach cope with the washing machine effect.

It usually goes after three days anyhow manie, so you must have been soooo slose to not feeling crook anyhow.

[the1much]

that standing up front and looking works,,,,ask our dear 1st president,,,him crossing the Delaware river,,,everyone thinks he's standing being all cool,,,NOPE,,,was cause he had sea sickness hehe TRUE! hehe ;)

[Ike]

Having served on a couple of Coast Guard ships that tend to go out in the most horrible weather you can imagine, I learned very quickly that there are some people who are not affected by motion sickness, and then there are those who can get sick on an aircraft carrier tied to the dock. Most of the rest of us are in between. Normal conditons may cause is to feel a bit queasy but that's about it and you get used to the motion and it goes away. Then when you get into a real blow is when you find out whether or not you are one of those that get really sick. But with most people it happens once, and then you will probably never have it happen again because your body adapts to it.

Just pray and hope that you aren't one of those with chronic motion sickness. That is an actual medical term. I have known a couple of people like that. They were always sick under all conditions. And most medications didn't do much for them.

There are some pretty good meds available. The transdermal patch is probably best. You just stick on your neck under your ear a day or so before you get underway. Then there are a raft of pills you can take. Talk to your pharmicist

[Meanz Beanz]

What fixed you? could you still think clearly?

Time & barely. If you get it properly you are a liability, first do no harm... most drugs make you a liability as well IMO. British Navy had one that worked well, forget the name, mother dearest (was chronic) used to get it sent from UK, can't get it in Oz. Mostly I am OK... I had a certain place that I could take anyone to on the right day and if you didn't chuck you where bullet proof. IMO anyone is susceptible in the right conditions, even the super folk that "never get it".

[Guest625101138]

I can turn most people reasonably quickly by eating the bait. The black ink from smelly squid turns most off when it is running out of your mouth or you chomp on a handful of sunbaked white-bait. I prefer the white-bait to the squid.

I used to get sick as a teenager on the first fishing trip after a long break and it was always bending down over the bait bucket but managed to get less affected as I got older. The only time I have been delicate as an adult was on a 50kt passenger liner. I had to get towards the bow and watch it drive into the sea to feel comfortable as we turned north off Sydney heads. The spew in the lift on the way to the deck set me off.

My brother was chronic but my father would never leave a good fishing spot just because someone was seasick. After an hour or so of gut wrenching dry reaching my dad would tell my brother to let him know when he had the furry bit in his mouth - then we would go home. He got so used to being sick that he could vomite while reeling in fish. He overcame it as he got older and bought his own boat.

I recently saw this little comment about seasickness:
First you think you are going to die
Then you wish your were dead
So it can be a serious health issue.

I think being in control helps. If you concentrate on guiding the vessel over the waves I believe you are much less likely to get sick. This is much easier than being stopped and putting head down to bait a line. A moderate displacement yacht under sail is a very kind motion in my view. Not having bait and fish gut about helps as well.

I have heard ginger has been proven effective:
http://www.scuba-doc.com/moresea.htm
I think mythbusters got positive results with ginger.

Rick W

[Meanz Beanz]

Eating bait ! yech! Jeeze I only sailed past the Sydney ocean outfall off North Head in a big greasy swell with stuff all wind. That'd work for most, can't do it anymore, it's gone.

Big boats are worse IMO, never been off when the spray is flying.

Your brother sounds like he deserves a medal :D

[the1much]

we used ta eat raw scallops right outta the shell,,,get it between ya cheeck and teeth,,,and it start "jumping" and squiggling,,,get the tourist sick right there on the dock hehe ;)

[Meanz Beanz]

I new there was a good reason I don't fish... U guy's... blahhhh

http://foolstown.com/sm/hook1.gif

[Landlubber]

I was seasick underwater one night whilst doing a night dive with a student. I had to remove my mouthpiece, have a chuck and then wash out my mouth, insert the air and pretend nothing occurred. It was a young teenage girl that I had with me, she asked about my funny habit of feeding the fish when we reached the shore, and I had to tell her I was seasick, I have never had it again, but certainly had it that night, very strange indeed.

[Meanz Beanz]

Thats a new one on me!

[Manie B]

Wow i find this downright scary
I was seasick underwater one night whilst doing a night dive
didnt even know it was possible.
I must count my blessings when i read this thread, so far when i feel "quesy" it is related to the previous evenings "discussions" over a couple of snorts!:D

[TikTok]

Two things work for me..

Making sure to have a good meal before going out (but nothing greasy).

Ginger - I usually make tea and throw in a few slices of ginger then leave it to steep for a few mins before drinking.

I've so far (touch wood) not had any sea sickness since I started doing the above.. maybe coincidence but I prefer to think I'm cured. ;)

[Ike]

Now that is just plain weird? Underwater. Are you sure it wasn't something you ate?

We used to carry saltine crackers and soda pop around with us. Soaks up the acid and settles the stomach.

I hadn't heard of the ginger thing. WHat ever works.

[safewalrus]

most drugs make you a liability as well IMO. British Navy had one that worked well, forget the name,


From experience that was a greasy bacon sarnie, and much extraction of urine by those not so affected!! Worked - eventually!

Ricks got the right idea! Keep the mind busy - called work I believe [another ex Navy trick - work the little 'sicker' so hard he ain't got time to be sick]!!:D

[masalai]

Sooo Heinz, I take it you do not go fishing on the boat "Jillian":D:D:D:P

On things Gastronomic - how about live monkeys brains? - - fresh oysters at low tide are magnificent. - - and sea urchins - their roe is quite delicious...

[the1much]

my dad was the first guy in maine to export sea urchins to japan,,,,,man i miss the rice wine hehe ;)

[Meanz Beanz]

Sooo Heinz, I take it you do not go fishing on the boat "Jillian":D:D:D:P

On things Gastronomic - how about live monkeys brains? - - fresh oysters at low tide are magnificent. - - and sea urchins - their roe is quite delicious...

Nope...

Well I lie a little, we have taken the boat out chasing whales when they come into the bay but apparently we are not allowed to fish for them.

I mess with the website for him, he tows me around when the cats demounted and other practical stuff.

[safewalrus]

Heinz, what size hooks would you use for Whales anyway? and how the hell would you get one in the pan! you'd need a large pan! (sorry I'm having very silly visions of a bloke with a 60 foot diameter frying pan.............he he)

[the1much]

squid or alot of plankton fer bait?

[Meanz Beanz]

Unless you have a big ship I think you better send them a nicely worded invite to dinner :D and don't write in Norwegian or Japanese, they are touchy!

Seriously they have to be better watched than eaten, amazing creatures to see!

[the1much]

me,dad,and bout 50 otha guys ended up "rolling" a baby out of the mud and into the channel,,,,man they are coolz hehe ;)

[Meanz Beanz]

There's a story about stranded whales that the locals could not set free, the area had banks that where tricky and the whales kept getting lost and heading back to shore. After a few attempts the local dolphin turned up, a loner that seemed to have adopted the bay and the town, well known, well loved animal. Anyway the dolphin literally chats to the whales and the whales follow it out to sea via the channel leaving locals with jaws on the ground. Something more than we understand was going on there!

Google Moko the Dolphin.

[the1much]

and they say "we're" smarter hehe ;)

[safewalrus]

s'funny then as HAVE eaten whale tell me how nice it is!! Never had the chance me, pity!! Apparantly it'd better'n ostrich or snake (which is different) the bird's like beef the snakes like chicken?????????? Me I like snake but you don't get to many around here! Wonder why?

[Meanz Beanz]

What about the "death adder" ! I hear it takes a week or two to kill you, maybe.

[the1much]

i've caught 5 diamond back rattlers since ive been here,,,next 1 im gonna eat hehe :P :D

[charmc]

Good thread to get started.
Something to cure her so I get my mate back. I really don't like sailing alone.

Jer,

Someone else mentioned the transdermal patches. My dad and youngest brother were very "queasy", very susceptible to motion sickness. They would put a patch on several hours before going out on my boat. We had everything from dead calm with swells to drifting in a brisk wind and chop to 35-40 knot winds and steep seas. They were always OK.

I know everyone is different, but the patches should be worth a try. They're sold under several names, all over the counter, I think. I hope you find a cure for your lady.

[Fanie]

I've eaten crocodile at a local grazing house. It tasted like chicken, but very very ve-he-he-he-ry tough. I finally spit it out as I saw that it was going to take all night and I was hungry.

Shame Jim, the poor rattler. Rather let it go. Cows and stuff are made for eatin, not snakes.

When I was young and good looking (I'm not so young any more :rolleyes:) I used to have many snakes, including puff adder and rinkhals's (spitting). Both, especially the puffers are extremely dangerous. I never kept any mamba's, they're pure trouble and way to agressive, especially the black mamba's. They're BIG BIG trouble (Bart Simpson)

[Fanie]

Now since they use horses to cultivate anti-venom for snake bite, I was wondering how well horses would fare with anti sea sickness cures ?

[the1much]

i wanna ride that horse after a ship ride,,,,them sea legs would be fun hehehe,,and fanie i was gonna keep the rattlers,,but "ole lady" says not with the kids,,so all i got now is some mouse eatin snake i found in the yard,,black emporer scorpion,,and a savannah moniter.

[Fanie]

Sorry Manie, off topic here, but you can go and get sea sick a bit later after we're done here, ok ?

One of the places we go fishing on our northern coast have some gaboon adders. The parients were out fishing and the kids found this monstrous one, over a meter long. The kids had to carry it two-two it was that heavy. They played with it all day long and it didn't bite anyone. Now if you google for it, it is one of the most venemous snakes and has the biggest teeth. The teeth also have blades on the inside that cuts a huge gaping wound to help poison spread.

Anyway, the parients nearly died. The snake got a happy retirement for it's good behaviour provided by the parks board okes who fetched it. It fortunately is not an agressive snake, I guess it doesn't have to be ;)

Ok Manie, your sea sickness. You get these ginger cookies that has a really strong ginger taste, it burns your tongue. Ginger is known to settle the wishy washiness of soft bellied sailors amongst others.

I don't get sea sick if the boat moves right, but what gets me is when the boat heaves the wrong way, so I stay clear of these big ships.

One thing that really gets me is when I haven't been on the water for a while. I begin to get a craving for that weaving feeling that Frosty calls land sickness. Sucks when you have to sit on land when there's water somewhere eh ! No it doesn't help when I sit on a lilo in the pool :rolleyes:

[Fanie]

http://www.savp.co.za/Venomous/slides/Gaboon%20Adders.html

Beautifull eh !! Cures any sea sickness ;)

http://www.savp.co.za/Venomous/slides/Gaboon%20adder%20(Bitis%20gabonica).html

Gaboon adder (Bitis gabonica) | Cytotoxic Venom
Bitis gabonica is a venomous viper species found in the rainforests and savannas of Sub-Saharan Africa. Primarily nocturnal, they have a reputation for being slow-moving and placid. This is not only the largest member of the genus Bitis, but also the world's heaviest viperid and it has the longest fangs and the highest venom yield of any venomous snake

[Fanie]

An just to keep you okes from sleeping tonight -

This long, grey to olive brown snake with a slender coffin-shaped head, is the largest venomous snake in Africa and considered as the second largest venomous snake in the world - 2.5m - 4.5m. One of the deadliest snakes in the world with a potent neurotoxic venom that is rapidly absorbed by the body's tissues. The black mamba is the fastest moving snake in the world, capable of moving up to 20 km/h but uses this speed to evade danger, rather than catch prey.

Black mamba venom contains powerful, rapid-acting neurotoxins and cardiotoxins, including calciseptine, a natural neurotixin. Its bite delivers about 100-120 mg of venom on average, but can deliver up to 400 mg of venom while only 10 to 15 mg is deadly to a human adult. The venom causes paralysis of nerves especially those that control breathing & heart rate. Large quantities of antivenom may be required to save the victim's life.

Many snake experts have cited the black mamba as the world's most aggressive snake, noting its tendency to actively attack without provocation. When in the striking position, the mamba flattens its neck, hisses very loudly and displays its inky black mouth and deadly fangs. It can rear up around one-third of its body from the ground inflicting several bites on chest height.

So, Africa is not for sissies. You have to be on the lookout for philamons, snakes, spiders, hippo's, crocks, lions, elephants (difficult to spot :D) and sea sickness amongst other things.

[the1much]

ya,,mamba's are 1 of the only snakes that'll chase your arse down.,,,and ta hell with africa,,,them baboons and giraffes scare me hehe ;)

[deepsix]

I feel the worst when the wind has just died and there is still some swell around. I think its because there is nothing to do. you can get sturgeron over the counter, it works for me. I do get a bit of a head ache and a dry mouth, but its much better than sea sickness.

[the1much]

i was on a small ferry 1 time,,,carried like 20 cars maybe less,,,,but FULL of tourist goin ova to vinalhaven island to be like us mainers,,,,had swells that made ME do the "jitterbug" cross the deck,,,i wish i brought a camera,,,30 people hang'n ova the sides chuckin and tryin to rescue each other from goin ova board,,,,,i laughed so hard i farted :D :P ;) hehe ;)

[Manie B]

Oh never mind you guys, off topic and all that, i will be sleeping in my box on the water within the next couple of weeks in the bitter cold.

I think when you sleep in a box 4m x 1.2m your body gets used to continiuos motion up down backwards forwards sideways, even if the waves? are only 1 foot high and 5foot apart. Keep in mind that you are covering a distance of several miles in 8 hours, up and down 1ft at a time.

Maybe it makes me a candidate for the around in ten he he he:D :D :D

dont you just love the noddy boat that was posted:D :D :D

[Fanie]

At the speed of light time stands still. So it would only be logic that the faster you move the slower time passes by. Hence ANY movement is better than no movement, and if you move while sleeping means you'll move up to 1/3rd of your life, it could add quite a bit of time to your life.

I like sleeping on the water. Nothing quite like it, when you sleep I mean.

[Kaptin-Jer]

[QUOTE=charmc;200607]Jer,

Someone else mentioned the transdermal patches. My dad and youngest brother were very "queasy", very susceptible to motion sickness. They would put a patch on several hours before going out on my boat. We had everything from dead calm with swells to drifting in a brisk wind and chop to 35-40 knot winds and steep seas. They were always OK.
QUOTE]

Jim is doing his best "let's hijack this thread" routine again, :p Don't really mind, but thanks for your input.
I had her reading this thread until Jim started talking about eating snakes and catching whales in the desert, or was it eating whales and catching sna--never mind.
She understands now that almost everybody is susceptible to some degree, and she got a couple of good ideas from this thread that she said she was going to try. (me too)

[Fanie]

I am still of opinion that sea sickness is more liable to attack you when you are just sitting around idelish. Someone should stay healthy to steer the boat out... imagine everyone aboard hanging over the sides.

The dog in the race doesn't know it has fleas ;)

[the1much]

I WAS FRAMED!,,,,so to show that during every post i was thinking bout the thread topic,,,heres my thoughts,,hehe,,,WHISKY!,,,i guarentee that after a pint,,,she wont be sick from the sea ;)

[Kaptin-Jer]

Hay Jim. I saw on the telly that your house was sliding into a hugh sink hole.

[the1much]

that was my out house,,,hehe,,,guess i shouldnt have dug such a deep sh!thole hehe ;) :D

[safewalrus]

Yeah I had some trouble with them black mambas once.........no, ............er, ...............was it black mamas? thats more like it!!

That made me sick and eager to get back to sea, is that the same thing? I'm not really into beastiality see!!