Bad News

[Manie B]

This frikken oil ******** and world politics and food shortages and bio-fuel and hyper inflation and no work and no money and:mad: and:mad: and :mad: and,:mad:

all this crap has driven me to excessive alcohol :p consumption and other insane behaviour,;) so i have put on my smiling face and started drawing my next boat.:idea: I have to do this for therapy because i can forget about my Easy cat.:confused: The way everything is going all over the world you are doing rather well if you can afford 8 sheets of marine ply and epoxy.:(

So anyway i had fun with my silly little box and learned a lot about epoxy - stitch and glue. So i looked for other inspiration and FUN boats - small - cheap - light on fuel.:cool:

Please keep in mind i am stuck on the southern tip of DEEPEST DARKEST AFRICA where fu4k2ll happens all day long and our politicians have talks about talks on how to have talks.

Having a small boat that you can sleep on is fantastic, and the next one MUST HAVE a roof to protect againts the sun.
I will post a complete set of drawings as i go along for anybody that might be interested, and within the next 6 weeks i will also post pics of the progress of the project. REMEMBER THIS IS THERAPY for some, for others it is stupid, you decide.:confused:

[Manie B]

And a couple more:D :D :D

[TeddyDiver]

Was the one (second last row in the midlle) a steamer? Or BBQ:D
You not alone with the frustration. This burocracy with EU directives, national laws (for 2 countries Finland and Norway), ISO standards....
Should buy a ton of plastic glue and sail to the Pacific where all the plastic **** afloats and start to glue together a private plastic atol.. without any scantling rules

[dragonjbynight]

well, in one way good to know its not just the US, seems same **** around the world. Other way, sucks for all of us. I like some of those pics you have manie, specially the top right one in your first post, that would be something i could get some use out of. Not hugely fast, just enough to move around and fish with my family. I think a plywood build will be my first build and I think they are one of the nicest looking(other than slat built)

your design is about 13 feet or so(always hated those damn conversions) What kind of weight limit, HP are you thinking?

[safewalrus]

some nice little boats there Manie, especially like the mini tug, but hell I don't tink I'd like to head to 'Aus in one!! Might be a tad problemtical stowing the 'Mainstay' let alone solid food!

[dragonjbynight]

Yeah, I liked that one too safe, I found this one on boatdesigns.net and its a pretty cool little home build, but too short(9ft) for up to 3 adults and 3 kids i think...would be nice if it was just about 5 feet longer methinks.

[tinhorn]

Sorry to hear the bad news, man. Been pretty down and out myself a few times. Don't know what other insane behaviors you're enjoying - the excessive alcohol consumption was all I could afford at the time.

Thankfully, life is cyclical - up, then down, then back up. Keep smiling.

[the1much]

them first ones look like old home "lobsta boat""downeasta's" hehe ;)

[Guest625101138]

Manie
Here is one that will do 5kts with a bit of pedal power. Forget the fuel. Has sleeping quarters for one unless you want to be very cosy:
http://www.adventuresofgreg.com/HPB/HPBmain.html

Also there were no cats amongst your selection. The cat hulls will be more fuel efficient than a monohull if you are length constrained. Very easy to build cat hulls with stitch and glue.

Rick W.

[Manie B]

Hi guys, Rick your drwawing skills leave me breathless, as you can see i am an amatuer CAD user:D

Just to add light to the subject, this is my silly boat at present - launched Jan 2008 and the trailer that i built for it. I am using a Mercury 5hp and it works very well. The speed is around 9 knots WOT which is plenty as my friends are sailing around 5 knots, so i dont need or want high speed. This is less fuel than a gallon a day!

I built this boat to learn how to work with epoxy and loved every moment of it. The boat works surprisingly well and that is how i came to realise that with some modification i can end up with a rather nice boat, which is my third build in as many years.

The new boat is still 4m (13'6") long but 1.4m (4'7") wide, which gives a more comfortable "double" bed and more stability. On the pictures you can see that a single air mattress fits ok but the new boat will have a 4" foam mattress. The built in seats will give plenty storage. We have been 2 adults and 1 teenager on the boat in ruff windy conditions, and very stable. These little boxes like to have a bit of weight in them = 250 kg (550 lbs) and can handle more. When deeper into the water = 3" / 80 mm it is very stable.

All round loads of cheap economical fun, and i can sleep over after a couple of beers / whiskeys / vodka he he he:D

[Manie B]

Oh and Saffie, we are not going anywhere in a hurry in this country, inflation, horrible property prices and and and. You couldn't even sell up and go any more, houses are worth ****, plenty bank repose standing empty already.:confused:

Another reason to build a more comfortable silly box:D

[Guest625101138]

You will not buy many solar panels for what it costs you in fuel - not yet anyhow. 9kts with 5HP is very good. Shows how easily a flat bottom will plane.

This site does not get down to 9kts as it is intended for bigger boats but it is close to what you get allowing for the prop efficiency:
http://illustrations.marin.ntnu.no/hydrodynamics/resistance/planing/index.html
I have attached rough data for your hull.

You should have a go at FreeShip. Your mate over there picked it up quickly. It can be a bit difficult to get started but is very rewarding in terms of playing with designs, viewing them and developing the cutting plans.

The hull for Greg's boat is a joint effort. I did the original hull model. It was then moved about a bit by a very good NA to make it more easily developed for flat panel construction and Greg has done his own interior rendering. It is easy to communicate ideas when you can make realistic images.

I still think you could make a catamaran that would perform better than your boxy boat. It would be more easily driven, better sea boat, more stable and more room for the footprint. If you load Freeship/Delftship I can send you are starter cat file.

Rick W.

[safewalrus]

Good as you are with cats Rick not everybody likes the damn things nor would want one! Yeah I know Aussies are supposedly THE cat people (they do produce some good ones!) but even they aren't right all the time!!

[Guest625101138]

Good as you are with cats Rick not everybody likes the damn things nor would want one! Yeah I know Aussies are supposedly THE cat people (they do produce some good ones!) but even they aren't right all the time!!

I don't regard affordable cats as seaworthy boats for the open ocean. If it is over 40ft then it might be tolerable but not for me. My preference is a monohull. But horses for courses. Hard to better a cat for fast efficient operation in sheltered waters particularly if the length is constrained for some practical reason.

Rick W.

[Meanz Beanz]

Manie,

If you seriously want a plywood box to play in why not a Hartley TS 16 with a bigger motor.

Pictures (http://images.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=Hartley%20TS%2016&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi)

That one you built looks a little like a NZ design (I think) called a Cherry. Only heaps squarer... LOL

[safewalrus]

...............or a packing case! But hell as long as it floats, and gets you where you want it has credit! No matter how it looks. 'cause if it looks pretty that's a bonus!!

[dragonjbynight]

Manie, Do you have any plans for that boat that you built. May be a plywood box, but one I think I would like to build one like it. Long as it will hold three people and gear, good by me (no oceans in indiana, just lakes) Looks to be easy to fish out of too.

Lemme know if ya do. Thanks

[the1much]

i think that long outboard handle, is to make up for the owners "short comings" hehe ;)

[dragonjbynight]

was wondering who would hit on that first, should've known it would be jim....:P

[charmc]

i think that long outboard handle, is to make up for the owners "short comings" hehe ;)

Even if that's part of the agenda, Manie's getting his compensation with his own efforts. Lots of fools spend hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions, on Magnums 'n Cigarettes 'n Fountains to make up for their own "short comings." That's a real laugh.:D

[Meanz Beanz]

What? You mean that my $1,000,000 penis extension is not cool? The chicks with the fake bits love it... Must admit its getting abit rough to run it, the damn thing sucks fuel like chicks with fake bits suck money :D but gawd I look good in it! FIGJAM :D

[charmc]

Manie,

We all do what we can, the important thing is never quit; keep doing whatever we can. Your small stitch and glue gave you an education and some good times on the water. Not a bad result for a build of any size! What you've stated as goals for your next sounds firmly in the tradition of microcruisers. It's intriguing how many ways there are to design a small boat that's simple (which doesn't always mean easy) to build. Here's some more suggestions for you and Dragonjbynight:

http://www.common-sense-boats.com/micro.htm

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/5471/smboat.htm

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/r/plansindex/trailermotorcruisers.cfm

http://www.selway-fisher.com/PCup16.htm

http://www.microcruiser.net/building10.htm

[charmc]

What? You mean that my $1,000,000 penis extension is not cool? The chicks with the fake bits love it...

There's a certain symmetry and poetic justice there ... :D :D :D :D

[Manie B]

Jeez you guys are naughty he he he.:D

I posted a lot of drivel on the "short" story, wont go there again:D :D :D
Thats why i DONT NEED A BIG BOAT:D :D :D :D and that at 55:D :D :D :D go figure hey hey:D :D

Dragon I am busy redrawing the drawings for the original boat with more and better offsets and to correct small mistakes that i picked up. should be ready in 2 weeks and will definately post them here.

Us BIG guys must build small boats to show the world that we CAN he he he:P :P :P :P

[the1much]

well manie,,,,,its way better then the ply/resin bgoat we made,,,,but it was easy,,hehe,,4x8 square,,,um,,,,drunkrunner hehe ;)

[safewalrus]

Charlie - interesting to note I regularly visit three of those web sites for insperation!! works too!

Mike (the Walrus)

[Manie B]

Yeah and isnt it interesting that when you put a pic up of yourself in a silly boat, the others never show their boats, MAAAYYBBEEEEE their boat is worse.:P

Hey the1 i like your barbeque looks like a steam engine:D

[the1much]

my next bbq gonna look like a rain,,,since im hlf owner of a railroad ya would think my first 1 would of,,,hehe,,Thanks and i'd show ya a pic of my boat,,,,,,if i had1,hehe,,i hate bots! heh)

[Meanz Beanz]

There's a certain symmetry and poetic justice there ... :D :D :D :D

Reap what U sow... eh?

[Meanz Beanz]

Is that the left track or the right track Jim?

[the1much]

some reason my partner says i own the dirt the track sits on,,hehe ;)

[Meanz Beanz]

Its called being railroaded in these parts!

[the1much]

i got some old pics of the rail,,,i'll see if i can find and scan,,,man it was petty hehe ;)

[Manie B]

hey guys even the big boys are designing small boats
http://www.aroundinten.com/designers.htm

[the1much]

at able marine we used to build 45' power's,,and 55' sails,,,,,and 12' dinghy's hehe ;) ,,,and we used to sell as many dinghy's as sails,,people loved em. ;)

[Manie B]

You guys must visit the updated Around in Ten website, it has got loads of new info
http://www.aroundinten.com/index.html

I find this kind of thing very inspirational, we are all spoiled to think that you can only go to sea in a floating Gin Palace.

Better start to build small boats and get out there while you can. If the rest of the world gets maritime laws like the Australians have got, you will end up in jail for using a paddle ski.

PLEASE CAN SOMEBODY TRANSLATE to English the story printed of the old man in his small boat???

[Paulo.AS]

Here it goes guys I'll do by best):D

"Dying of laughter, the russian adventurer Evgeny Gvoznev, 68, set sail from this port on his round the world trip on a ten feet boat on which he has undergone more adventures than Indiana Jones. The big guy, after repairing his small craft called Said, which means friend in Arabic, set his bow on a northerly course, for his next stop will be Iquique to soon get to Arica. From there he'll go to Tahiti and Australia and then finally to Russia, his homeland. Gvoznev, a mechanical engineer by training, set sail in May 1999 from a port in the republic of Daguestan, former Soviet Union."

I'm not shure about the "dying of laughter" part but the rest is very much in the ball park.

Cheers to all

[the1much]

Thanks Paulo ;)

[Manie B]

Thanks Paulo

damn this is fun:D