Superior Surface Effects Technologies, take the industry into its future

[AmnonMikeCohen]

The advantage of my yet new Multi-Layers' Lubrication Capabilities' Technologies, starts with the initial Water Lubrication layer created under any existing hull which has my Flexible-Power-FINS installed, Fins (Not foils, which are more like Bilge-keels on ships - and are yet completely new add-on appendages for planing hulls and also make a rowing boat go faster...) which are automated to act also as stabilizers but mostly are installed to cancel the traditional resistances of the hull's bow-wave, the hull's wave-making, skin-friction, and drag - and like the bulbous-bow - are part of altering the aquatic signature of the displacement hull adding 20% speed on a displacement hull and just under 10% higher speed on fast vessels and boats - and on a modern planing hull, they act as well for lifting the watercraft like an elevator, UP, and are adding superior dynamic stability, so that the boat or vessel can actually fly on top of its hump in the open seaway - riding horizontally like a car and not leaning into the turn like a motorcycle, yet tracking like a train on the rails.
You can see this in the pictures and on the website created for this most advanced technology yet to be introduced to the maritime industry, if I find my needed proper incorporated business partner, investor, naval-architectural company or major client like The Navy or a shipping line, shipyard or major yachts manufacturer - or even the proper racing team...
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[Kay9]

Some recommendations:

"My $1.9 Million dollars company can be a USD$ 25,000,000.00 corporation in less then a decade of business, after this needed Marketing Capital investment"

For a 1.9 mil company I HIGHLY recommend you hire a $500 web page developer.

Meantime. Ill wait untill you "Reveal" your product before I cast any judgement as to weather it is of any intrest to any of my clients.

K9

[masalai]

and unless you post some background and technical analysis to support your claims, the rabid red-necks are ready to dissect and analyse your non existent (on this net) claims. Quickly, set up your website & post it in this thread, in the meantime, advise us all when we can expect to see something other than pontificating hype.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

From my experience, as a successful inventor; skeptics have a trust problem in truth and are in need of demonstrated facts, so believe it or not, my truth and facts have been demonstrated and accepted already to top industry persons who can not own me, and now, there is wisdom and experience in my modern simple method - and the opportunity I have posted, as well as the website, are ample for the proper investor and/or partner I am looking for.
(I have more than 75 orders from mariners already, to have the invention installed on boats and yachts already, and I had offers from very large international corporation and an institution which I had to decline - but I can not follow your recommendations before I protect the real vast client base for such revolutionary new invention - and have asked them all to be as patient as I have to be, before we can offer the product and service to you and others, in more impressive and detailed ways)

We all know, that things that look better are not necessarily better (Kind of like sex partners or websites, or prospecting business partners or actual offered business development opportunities - and even companies - big or small, are not as effectively capable or wise as they project to be or seen by people)

At any rate, thank you for your advice, but I am seeking a person who can respect and recognize the truth I have posted within this website for its readership, and am seeking a wiser appreciative person(s) who is/are not impressed mostly by the way my private website or tested prototypes or printed documents look, or even how I sound or look like - but more appreciative of what I know and represent in ownership of the Technology and mostly its importance to the Maritime Industry.

To say it simply, so you also capture my view:
Like a good marriage, "The mother of invention is seeking the proper father for the invention itself and not the one who is focused on the mother of invention presentation itself"

[Kay9]

nevermind.

[marshmat]

Amnon,

Firstly, welcome aboard boatdesign.net!

Now, I just finished looking through your website. The claims made there are intriguing, to say the least. I will echo the advice of K9 and masalai, though- if you are looking for venture capital, you must be able to present your proposal in a clean, elegant and informative fashion. The website as of five minutes ago was loaded with buggy script, buggy HTML and horrific grammar. Improving the presentation of your ideas will go a long way towards getting potential investors interested.

Regarding the invention itself.... well, I can't really comment, because I can't find anything about the invention itself. It appears you've already turned down several potential investors; what exactly are you looking for?

I can tell you, for sure, that if you are willing to discuss your ideas and proposals seriously and in exhaustive technical detail, with valid research to back it, you will be warmly received on here. I can also tell you, for sure, that if you make claims and seek money without the technical data to back them, Masalai's "rabid red-necks" will waste no time tearing you apart. So if you want to discuss your invention here, go right ahead, just be ready to defend it and prove whatever you claim.

[masalai]

Woooah Marshmat. I am known to throw the odd red herring at bullshit, and occasionally participate in a feeding frenzy for the intellectual exercise, the "pack" is not mine - just to clarify some things for Amnon...

My tolerance level is low for presentations that appear like snake-oil-sales.

May I suggest, like #6 that the website has less flashy bits (which may appeal to the cretins) but not necessarily business/marine investors.

Have extensive text areas as a downloadable *.pdf file which can be locked to prevent unauthorised editing & can be set up to print in A4 which is international standard.

Re do videos so they show larger, or the video file of higher resolution may be downloaded.

Present graphs which represent differences in performance at various - engine revs, fuel consumption (mpg gph and metric as litres/hour & litres/nautical mile), speeds in knots & your choice different loading (weight of boat)

Does your stuff need adjustment whilst in motion or in different sea states, load carried etc?

Has your existing hull been optimised for efficiency before fitting of your devices & or after fitting (if it boosts a shit hull design does it still improve an efficient hull design?)

Is it for planing hulls, displacement hulls as in mono yachts or long skinny cat/multi hulls, wave piercing designs ?????

What range of hull speeds are to benefit? 10 to 50knots? - 2 to 8 knots? whatever?

I look forward to further information & less hype/bullshit:D Just plain facts Thanks...

[AmnonMikeCohen]

:!: Thank you MATT for being the 1st reasonable respectful member of this forum, to respond to my sharing information - which is yet confidential and not to be prostituted intellectually or business-wise.
The chief scientist for the USA Office of Naval Research, who has been on my prototype and has a copy of the scientific Tow-Tank study, has said the same thing as you do, and found the invention intriguing, stating he sees five inventions each week and none are like this one - but I had to decline the offer they had made me, as it was not "Good business".

I am not concerned with K9 or Masalai responses, as these people may not have the proper business or inventing background to capture the wisdom I have to employ, while operating on limited financial resources subsidized by my personal income and savings, and not only show no respect, but are fooled to think I need to prove to them what I claim and state as truth, confidential information which is reserved first for my sought investors and partners, for commercial and intellectual protection reasonings - investors or partners who will have access to all the facts in scientific and real demonstration I can provide - and not by looking only at the website I had created few/many years ago.

I have the clean and documented information, not in best English but true, as it is my second language which we all know is not logical and needs much improvement as to delivering a real "meeting of the minds" and why pictures and illustrations are needed to have people actually capture what the words stand for in science and knowledge - and where we know English is good for abstract and artistic descriptive linguistic expressions, if one can spell or get the real meaning of the printed words...

I am not seeking a venture capital, but do have a 55 page business-plan for the Corporate investors or partners who can demonstrate commitment and ability to invest in my Market Ready Commercial Project, based on my invention itself.
As you may know, from looking at my corporate website, (Not any of the many additional private webpages I have posted on the www) IMD Tow Tank facility in Newfoundland, is 4th in the international list of respected Marine Institutions, where the Halifax class ship model was tested with my invention on it - so we have the documents a real mariner businessman or scientist can accept if a demonstration or conversation is not ample for making the move into the opportunity, I really want to be rewarding for all the Mariners Worldwide.

I thank you Matt, again, for your respectful evaluation and observation, but like you to know, that I already know these truths you are sharing with us all, and yet am employing a specialized wisdom which is more suitable to this industry, where there are too many who has no respect nor industrious leadership capabilities, and are acting more like pirates and skeptics in the industry, more then like builders and supporters of the industry's positive future growth.


:idea: If you like, you can write to me personally, and act as my referral agent, in my seeking of the suitable partner or investor, as is posted at my website, and including the Executive summary of my Business Strategy Plan which is also part of the website.

As you can see and agree, from my website and pictures, that this is areal opportunity, if my claims are true, that all existing boats and ships can benefit from my invention, and all future ships and boats will be designed for employing the Superior Surface Effects Technologies I have developed privately and in secret.

Thank you, and best regards to your growth in the industry and wishing you also safe (Fast flying) boating.
Amnon (Ami) on the north-west-coast

Amnon,

Firstly, welcome aboard boatdesign.net!

Now, I just finished looking through your website. The claims made there are intriguing, to say the least. I will echo the advice of K9 and masalai, though- if you are looking for venture capital, you must be able to present your proposal in a clean, elegant and informative fashion. The website as of five minutes ago was loaded with buggy script, buggy HTML and horrific grammar. Improving the presentation of your ideas will go a long way towards getting potential investors interested.

Regarding the invention itself.... well, I can't really comment, because I can't find anything about the invention itself. It appears you've already turned down several potential investors; what exactly are you looking for?

I can tell you, for sure, that if you are willing to discuss your ideas and proposals seriously and in exhaustive technical detail, with valid research to back it, you will be warmly received on here. I can also tell you, for sure, that if you make claims and seek money without the technical data to back them, Masalai's "rabid red-necks" will waste no time tearing you apart. So if you want to discuss your invention here, go right ahead, just be ready to defend it and prove whatever you claim.

[charmc]

Amnon,

Welcome aboard!

Your claims are intriguing, to say the least. As one who has started a company and built it to a niche market leader, and who has dealt with private capital investors, I will tell you that one thing guaranteed to stop an investor in his tracks and destroy all interest is for him to feel that he is being asked to trust the guy with the secret knowledge in the absence of verifiable and repeatable data. Another thing guaranteed to make the investor go away is an amateurish presentation. Saying the presentation doesn't have to be up to business professional standards because the technology is so great it will sell itself won't cut it with hard nosed investors. They acquired their capital by being good at business, and they won't invest it with people who can not follow good business practices. As marsmat and masalai have, I suggest strongly that you prepare, or have someone with business experience prepare, a business plan, including detailed test data with full details of performance before and after the addition of your device, as well as a description of all the controls in place to insure that any performance gains are solely attributable to your device.

A statement like "Test boat A achieved a speed of 23 knots through the measured km course at an engine rpm of 2450 rpm without the device. With the device installed the same vessel, operating with the identical initial weight, achieved a speed of 27 knots at the identical rpm..." is far more powerful than, " lubricating the much improved dynamic stability of the now flying Watercraft on open ocean water without these historically persisting known resistances you know about which are not there anymore under any boat, yacht or ship which will use our revolutionary technology!!!"

A final note: your website is truly annoying. Blinking lights and barely discernible video clips detract, rather than add to your message. Eliminating those elements alone will improve your image.

Before I visit a foreign country for the first time I study a bit about its history and current events, something about its culture, and learn some phrases in the local language. I get a warm reception from people I meet because I showed respect for them and their country. Someone seeking to enter the world of investors to ask them for money should be willing to learn something about investment capital and professional business plans. The effort will get you a better reception.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

If you have not yet looked at this information I am sharing with BoatDesign.net members and readership - here is my news sharing.

:idea: The advantage of my yet new Multi-Layers' Lubrication Capabilities' Technologies, starts with the initial Water Lubrication layer created under any existing hull which has my Flexible-Power-FINS installed, Fins (Not foils, which are more like Bilge-keels on ships - and are yet completely new add-on appendages for planing hulls and also make a rowing boat go faster...) which are automated to act also as stabilizers but mostly are installed to cancel the traditional resistances of the hull's bow-wave, the hull's wave-making, skin-friction, and drag - and like the bulbous-bow - are part of altering the aquatic signature of the displacement hull adding 20% speed on a displacement hull and just under 10% higher speed on fast vessels and boats - and on a modern planing hull, they act as well for lifting the watercraft like an elevator, UP, and are adding superior dynamic stability, so that the boat or vessel can actually fly on top of its hump in the open seaway - riding horizontally like a car and not leaning into the turn like a motorcycle, yet tracking like a train on the rails.
You can see this in the pictures and on the website created for this most advanced technology yet to be introduced to the maritime industry, if I find my needed proper incorporated business partner, investor, naval-architectural company or major client like The Navy or a shipping line, shipyard or major yachts manufacturer - or even the proper racing team...

[AmnonMikeCohen]

Dear Charlie:

Thank you for your shared good wisdom, and there is a reason why I do what I do and how I am doing it; and the investor/partner I am seeking will be thankful to me and not me to him/her/them - as I come from a business background and know Investors very well indeed. There is one who is already attacking me on this website, claiming to be a qualified investor and acting like a judge with blind mind. (K9)

Please note: This is a very important invention and very profitable market ready project - so we must look at it in this true light!

Your helpful advice for better business approach and proper wording, image creating and keeping, are known to me and can be delivered in private, where it counts and not in public, as the present is what we keep and not the package it came in; yet like in good marriage or successful business partnerships, people must first like and accept each other in order to be willing to work and profit together - so my honesty and truth as well as claims and achievements must be acceptable to my potential prospecting investors. You may have noticed, Charlie, that investors like it to be like a fashion show for their money, or like intellectual prostitution before they will consider taking us inventors, and not respecting that I actually own The Money Tree, as money does not grow in nature but within a well structure partnership which can be and stay strong within the cataclysmic global economy. I like an investor to show me he/she/they actually have the money and will to commitment to the technology itself according to the business plan we can agree on, as they many time do not have what they claim to have, as I obviously do have! Foolish inventors can only offer foolish inventions and foolish opportunities, but I am a professional inventor in more then one industry.
I do thank you, for your respectful and good advice, and if you know the proper mariner I may take into confidence, as is also described in my simple website, you are welcome to be my referral agent for a referral fee. For this, you need to write to me directly so I can share with you the information granting you the authority with your good mariners' contacts, safely and in rewarding ways.

It may be of value to you to know, that my invention has been respected by institutions like the Canadian IMD (Institute for Marine Dynamics) and the USA ONR (Office for Naval Research) and I have this documented proofs also.

[kach22i]

Is your system in anyway similar to "jetwings"?

Old Thread about Jetwings:
http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=120804&highlight=fins#post120804

NOTE: I find all the flashing stuff on your website quite disturbing, so mich so that I spent as little time as possible on it. Not a knock on you, just an observation.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

No!
George, my invented Fins, are not like the JetWings, which are another name for an older invention developed many years ago, from my understanding of seeing the original prototype, when I was visiting NAVATEK, in Hawaii, known more for its SWATH & SLICE and Mid-Foil technologies.

Manufacturers, now also use this technology by employing the term of "Turn down Chines" and there are probably other such reversed engineering products of the same original idea and concept I myself am not sure who originally had invented and developed (Please let me know, if you read this note and know, who originated the idea of small fins at the transom area of the hull)

One good place to search, is http://www.google.com/patents where you ask/search for FIN FINS HULL HULLS BOAT and such terms, to see the art(s) already patented and registered with the USA Patent Office. (Mine, was filed in 1991 and has not been published yet - as I employ a yet new method of Pre-Patent Commercialization development, a yet new innovated method by itself)
Remember, there is also the WIPO registry found @ http://www.wipo.int/portal/index.html.en

Noting you are an owner and a supporter of Hovercrafts' technology, my invention is actually making a standard boat work like a hovercraft on water only, but not on land as you can travel with your Hovercraft, and this is where the surface-effect of water-lubrication plus optional injected lubrication are key parts of my patent application which I have not published yet, so to protect my future investors and corporate ownership of this important and highly valued invention and mostly its vast clients' base, worldwide, to be protected from inferior copies of the invention we expect will come as soon as it hits the markets in the future - from expected copycats and reverse engineering as well as pirates, as it is so much of a known problem in this industry - and which is the reason why most people shy away from being first to invest in new inventions - and which is the reason I am not yet able to show and tell and share all that I have to offer our readership and mariners Internationally.

I am taking in your respectful note on my website which looks more like the more commercialized www internet - with all the extra lights and distractions - as other readers also have asked that I make my website more simple and professional, and not like the www we see around us.
Thanks George, for you helpful suggestion, which I shall follow up - and I am hoping that I have answered you simple question, and have helped you capture the difference in the concepts of employing FINS for water-lubrication effect - which are not small fixed fins like in products similar to the one you have pointed me to, which is based on an older original invention.

[kach22i]

I just found this thread after posting in the main general design section.

Looks like Amnon has been given a lot of good information.

[rwatson]

I would be interested in how the 'average' boat user take advantage of this technology ?

[marshmat]

(For reference, Amnon's other thread on the same topic is http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=183287#post183287 )

Amnon,

You have received several pieces of good advice here.

I applaud you for not selling out to the US military. Many good inventions have mysteriously vanished into that gaping maw. I do know people at the NRC Institute for Ocean Technology (they haven't used the IMD acronym for years) and I know that they are damned good engineers, so their opinion does count for something.

Now, I will try to explain why you are getting the reactions you are from this crowd.

Try to look at it from the perspective of the more experienced folks on here. Many are sailors and designers. All have seen hundreds of new innovations. And all have seen people come on here with amazing claims, only to discover after a few days of debate that the "inventor" is either clueless, plagiarizing, or a simple snake-oil salesman. So they are skeptical of fanciful claims, at least until there is some backing for them.

Take a look through the archives for a thread on the Yellowfin surface drive. It took quite a while to persuade the forum regulars, myself included, that it had been thought through enough to work. It took them a few stabs at a business plan and publicity materials before they started to drum up enough investor interest to make a serious case. You will face the same dilemma, both here and in the venture capital boardrooms.

Presentation is a huge part of business. Your ideals of changing the industry philosophy are interesting, but will not get you anywhere in the capitalist world. Money is always the upper hand. They have it, you want it. Therefore you must prove to them that you can make this work. Part of that is coming across like you know what you're talking about. You probably do, at the mathematical / design level. At the grammar, spelling and web design level, you do not come across very well. You need to clean up- make your webpage legible, have someone more fluent in English cross-check your grammar, and have independent test data and reports ready to substantiate your claims. If you have such reports, you should post PDFs of them on your site for potential investors and collaborators to review. Without independent reports and tests- and claims that you have independent reports and tests are worthless without the documents themselves- you won't get far in this market.

I hope you'll take some of the advice you've received from the various folks who have responded on here. You may have something good; if you do, now's your chance to prove it and sell it.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

:!: This is the real sad part that I and my mariner clients are facing, as I have already more the 75 orders and had to ask people to be as patient as I have to be; because I have not yet found the proper business partner(s) or investor(s) in this project, so that I can protect the clients as well as the technology's ownership, with the needed corporate financial security.

At the same time, I have product already in stock, and can help supplying most small boats orders - PWC and up to 16 feet long boats - and can afford to order new product production for orders on boats up to 40 feet as well as larger ones - but unfortunately I can not yet jump into the water without the needed proper business life-jacket on and in place.

Your simple question challenge, is the real problem inventors face while alone in the world of business - even ones with more money then I have, ones who have good economic solutions for the industry - yet the ironic part, is that I need relatively small capital to secure this market ready project.

[Lin Olen]

Hello AMCohen.

When I was just a kid a British firm was injecting polyestyrene oxide from nozzles at the underwater bow of a tug and getting an extraordinay increase in speed, I believe something like 20%. Did not proceed because of contamination concerns. Cheers.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

I have, for many years, held on to values which are good for business, as I was very successful in honest business - but the world is not as wise and honest as it used to be, and greed plus envy are now more key factors in business - and I do not seek money from people who just have access to access of money - as my project needs relatively small amount of money as it will make us a lots of new money. But money is not what I am after, I am after leaving a technology for people to employ and benefit from, so I do not die with my privileged knowledge and be the only one who knew how to fly on water, and did so while am alive.

The skeptics do have the full rights to be so, as we see more false promises and less delivered goods in a morally eroding business world, but this does not change the truths I represent, and where trust was/is lost, it is their loss and it is not up for me to mend and remedy others' wrongs - I am only responsible for my words, actions and promises as well as deliveries of truth, goods and services.

So back to the invention and challenges I am facing.
I have already put my website in another location, and will have a link to it, from the new website I shall put up as soon as I have the time to finish it; as this advice is sound and reasonable expectation I have received from many of the readers I agree with; and as I see, most websites these days do not give as much informatio as we used to do a decade ago when my website was created. I also see that the www is changing into a social networking and advertising bonanzas and everything we were hoping it will not develop into, as business people and corporations were/are hoping it to be.

However, due to the nature of this industry's being bigger on piracy and reversed engineering plus ignoring new products and services, I shall have to keep my trade secrets and confidential information - reserved for the potential owners of the invention first of all, and only afterwards, we can share it with the world of sailors and designers and mariners who like to know or purchase our goods, products and services.

I shall keep looking for the capital needed first, or simply be lost in this ocean of distrust and never succeed to help the industry grow in the direction I can help it grow, and someone may be able to come up with something good and new from the waves I have made in my efforts - without any actual losses to me beyond my goodwill investments in time and money for developing new valued knowhow - which is not simple to copy or reproduce without my gifted inside knowhow,resulted from very private and secret development that no one has access to or can reproduce, including my kids and wife who know some of the secrets of the design and its nature - the mother of invention.

If you have not read all my other writing, it is about the fact that money does not grow without a profitable project, and I am not competing for money to be invested in my project - I am only letting investors and partners drive by a marine market opportunity they may be invited to invest and grow with.

Please keep me posted, and I do respect and thank you for your honest and helpful advice, which I am following, as there are members of this group who care to help and have done so already, and we are not alone in this good service website for boat design information sharing.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

Yes, this is one of the other options of extra lubrication, and as you know, it was not and is not ecological and now we are more concern about ecology, and why my proposed injected layers including air into the water, is a better option for the environment, without my explaining yet the benefits of my proposed additional lubrication layers to enrich the marine environment.

[FAST FRED]

The usual method of pulling investors is an actual demonstration of the items "superiority".
.
Build something and go win a race, or do a stunt , 500 miles on 50gal of fuel at 20K or similar.

FF

[tom28571]

We have no concrete idea what Mr Cohen has so discussing it is all speculation. There have been many applications of devices called "speed rails", Wave collectors" etc that seem to be intended to do what he claims. The wave collector goes back well over 50 years. Some boats now come with chine rails extending below the hull.

Fred has the best idea. A public demonstration, well publicized, should help get it out there in front of interested investors and buyers. The Wright brothers tried to go the route Mr Cohen seems to be following and it did not work for them.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

You are now more on target as to where and what I am hoping will be implemented as part of the project, but only after there is a partner, like a Shipyard or a boats Manufacturer and or A Major Client or A Major Vendor, Designer or Investor and such partner(s) who can help secure the business part of the technology and be in position to gain from such investment in a partnership I am offering.

Patent laws and the business risks in this industry, are governing the proper way for new technologies to be introduced, and my business-strategy-plan is customized specifically for this more risky industry and its skeptical long term slow growth characteristics.
Key parts of the plan are to show and tell and advertise and taking leadership plus maintaining technological leadership by continuously releasing more of the knowhow already developed, but the first steps of this baby is to have a father-of-invention who will help the mother-of-invention (me) raise my brainchild in a secured way - so that our vast clients' base is secured from others who will also offer the same product and service after we show and tell and sell our first half a million worth of products and services.

So you are both right, as to your observations from understanding the industry and its challenges to new innovation and real new inventions.

As to The Technology discussions we are here for first, there were limitations to the Speed-Rails and the way they were claiming false results, and the manufacturers do know about the positive effect of a FIN at the aft and have been developing better Spray-Rails for few years already - and as to Air-Cavities which have leakage problems, they have developed and published more new solutions; so altogether, we know there is some good benefits in both ways of thinking, but as I see, my invention (Developed between 1974-1989 and initially registered for patent in 1991 but never published yet so to retain my first to invent and first to file and first not to publish) is still offering what the industry hope to be developed by 2015, and is yet the leading technology I still have to develop into the new science it represents - so please respect that I must keep protecting my future business partners and clients we shall work with, when we can show and tell the world what has not yet been seen.
At the same time, as you may already see, I am running the risk that someone with more financial resources, insight or knowhow, or stronger ego, will jump forward with a solution as good or better then mine, and by then, my secrets may be no more trade secrets, and I shall have to put aside my hope for helping the industry and mariners Fly and Surf on open water - in a boat and ship and not in a seaplane or airship.

Please note: I am about to simplify my humble private website, for readership like we have here, so it does not look too buzzy and is more focused on sharing information on the technological opportunity's benefits to the industry, with some information on the people needed to be involved in successful implementation of a beneficial project to it owners and clients.

[tom28571]

Amnon,

Best of good fortune to you and I'm sure all here wish you luck in finding the financial backing you need. Our comments are most likely a wish for fresh information which is why we keep coming back here. I toy with these ideas all the time and but for money, time or enough chutzpa to just chuck all the things that keep us in line, we might be more innovative ourselves.

[marshmat]

Amnon,

I do hope we will here more about what you are planning here.

There is one question that I still don't have a good answer to:
"What is the product you have invented and are now trying to sell to investors?"

I have read your discussions of the relative merits of modern venture capitalist philosophy versus the product-driven innovation market, or however you like to describe it. They are interesting, if a bit difficult to follow.

What I have not read is anything, anything at all, about what the product you are working on actually is. It is described as a "Flexible Power Fin", as an "invented invincible apparatus", a "Surfin", etc. It is described as being a bolt-on addition to virtually any hull, that will "eliminate or reduce the existing resistance forces" (the former being a violation of every law of fluid dynamics), and that will immensely improve performance and make your boat fly.

I haven't the faintest idea what the thing actually is, what makes it different from the hundreds (actually, more likely thousands) of other fin/keel/skeg products tried over the years, or how you know it will work for so many different types of boats when, as far as I can tell, there are a grand total of three craft in the world that have it: an outboard skiff, a 21' Chris-Craft, and a tank model of something owned by the Navy.

Let's say I'm a venture capital scout and I come across this product, its website, and the discussions held about it. How will I know what it is, let alone if it has any potential? I'd want numbers to back up the thing's performance, and numbers to back up your claims that you (a) need a truckload of cash to start making it, and (b) will make $25 million in the first ten years selling it.

Believe me, you don't have to worry about someone stealing your idea if you discuss what it is. You've initiated the patent process (I think, it's a bit unclear)? If anyone wanted to copy it, they'd simply take a tape measure to your Chris-Craft while it's parked on the trailer.

Please keep this in mind: BDNet is a very open minded forum and is probably the best place on the Net to discuss new marine technologies. When you meet resistance on here, it is because people with far more experience than you or I are not convinced you have done your homework. Do your homework, then ask us what we think of honest, scientific results and a sound business strategy. Believe me, if you do that, you'll find things go a lot better.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

Dear Matt and all good members of BDnet:
It is yet, too early for my showing more then what I show on my website or more then what I am explaining, about my yet leading invention, in the art of "Water Lubrication with secured Air/Gas Cavity".

A potential partner or investor, does have access to more information then what I can publicly share, by documented direct communication and signed confidentiality agreement and granted demonstration, as part of the process; as well as access to already documented tests and a Tow Tank Study, where all these facts that I am asked to produce are available and are very clearly stated, and also including my Patent application which is on hold, so to keep my full term for issuing a new patent as soon as the capital for the Market Ready Project is in place.

This is a simple as I can make my case, while sharing the news and opportunity with all who care to know.

It may be the old way of doing business, but in this industry, it is wise to be ready for all the critics and skeptics as well as reverse engineers and bold pirates - and I must accept these facts, as I have already experienced the way this industry ignores new inventions and hold on to the belief that everything had been already invented and tested (Maybe because we see copies of same old ideas come back, like the Bulbous-Bow which I learned about in the 50s - or the fact that the Office of Naval Research is still holding on to the documents I let them read and will not give the documents back to me as the owner of the knowhow, because I did not accept the not so honest way I was expected to apply for a grant, so that we do a demonstration for the USA Navy)

Let me share with you what I have done today, which is an indication of what I have been doing for almost a decade.

I have contacted, respectfully, a world class group who needs my knowhow as they are leading in the art of advanced hulls design, where air-cavity is part of the design; but where their technology has real limitations in relationship to my better knowhow, because they are going about it in a very traditional existing knowhow which is foolish and expensive way to try to achieve what my so much simpler and sleeker as well as much more economic plus profitable way to reach and achieve yet much better results.
Now, I am not insulting them in my email, I am very warmly inviting them to a WIN WIN WIN opportunity where the Industry also WINS, not only they WIN without me our us, and not only they WIN and my company WINS, as it is in most good business deals.
Please respect that I am a successful inventor as well as a good businessman, which is not the way it usually is, as more inventors are dreamers and seek respect and do not know about business as it really is - but I have been in the ICI sector of the Real Estate industry, where the big dollars are, and know the business of business, and not only my business.

Patience, is a virtue I have had to hold for more then 35 years, in my work on this project, so I hope it will pay us all, or my hopes will sink like many other marine hopes may have had to, because the industry sees itself as complete and without any need or hurry for investment into growing faster into the future, something like "Let them suffocate or choke on their ideas or inventions, as we have the money and they do not know the industry well enough to enter as new players" Microsoft has this same mentality of controlling an industry for its exploitation and not delivering what the market wants and needs, resulting with problems we all know about, that they have invented nothing and have a failing DOS based system which is many years old already.

Not to wonder into the real problems our Maritime industry needs to address, as far as welcoming new partnerships and investments in new advanced technologies, my trust will be rewarding to trust granted to me and the truth in my claims, based on pictures and videos clips I can share, without showing the 'cat out from the bag' but just showing it is alive, so, please trust me it is a cat and a real nice and good one!

I am truly sorry to disappoint some of the many members, and more so ones like you MATT and GEORGE whom are so much more good members of this membership who are helpful and wise and knowledgeable as well as curious to actually know what it is I seem to hide - but I am not hiding, I am protecting a good part of my life's work, from the people who do not respect it - as the first one proper person who will meet my commitment to this project, in terms which are agreeable to both of us, by way of 1st respect and appreciation, and 2nd by way of keen interest and investment commitment in a tangible way which is best for the owners of the technology, myself and my potential partners I am protecting first, and the whole vast market of mariners who will be installing the proper FINS and not ones made by people who do not know the technology.

Lets hope I get lucky sooner then later in locating that partner or investor, so the cat can be seen and played with, by all who like what they see or hear about it.

I stay respectfully and thankfully yours, as a person who will never know English...

[Lin Olen]

Sorry AmnonMike, The more you say the less convincing your argument is to me and I have been very successful in busiess. It is when you manufacture and sell an invention that is extraordinarily successful that the sharks bite. My cottage industry with 18 patents aimed for 10% market share and took40% in the first week of sales. That was when the supply of essential steel was frozen and my $12,000 company atacked by an octopus with unlimited capital. Rather than buy me out they chose to protect an obsolete tool that was inferior in many ways. But good luck anyway! Cheers, Lin/

[AmnonMikeCohen]

I have heard many stories about inventors' disappointments, and am not planing to be one myself.
:confused: I am not sure what you do not like about what I am sharing, as I am not arguing and am only sharing from my wisdom and knowhow with members of this website I think is a very good place to share information on new and old established knowhow.
:!: I know people and business can be ugly, but they can choose to also be good and very good - a quality which is not as popular in our times, but I am witnessing the real young generation does have such values, and that is good hope for us all.

[ratrace2]

What is the patent Number? No patent number, you got nothing.
That is all I want to know.......If you don't have that, all of the pleading rhetoric about "someone here", "important groups there", means nothing
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ratrace2]

From my experience, as a successful inventor; skeptics have a trust problem in truth and are in need of demonstrated facts, so believe it or not, my truth and facts have been demonstrated and accepted already to top industry persons who can not own me, and now, there is wisdom and experience in my modern simple method - and the opportunity I have posted, as well as the website, are ample for the proper investor and/or partner I am looking for.
(I have more than 75 orders from mariners already, to have the invention installed on boats and yachts already, and I had offers from very large international corporation and an institution which I had to decline - but I can not follow your recommendations before I protect the real vast client base for such revolutionary new invention - and have asked them all to be as patient as I have to be, before we can offer the product and service to you and others, in more impressive and detailed ways)

We all know, that things that look better are not necessarily better (Kind of like sex partners or websites, or prospecting business partners or actual offered business development opportunities - and even companies - big or small, are not as effectively capable or wise as they project to be or seen by people)

At any rate, thank you for your advice, but I am seeking a person who can respect and recognize the truth I have posted within this website for its readership, and am seeking a wiser appreciative person(s) who is/are not impressed mostly by the way my private website or tested prototypes or printed documents look, or even how I sound or look like - but more appreciative of what I know and represent in ownership of the Technology and mostly its importance to the Maritime Industry.

To say it simply, so you also capture my view:
Like a good marriage, "The mother of invention is seeking the proper father for the invention itself and not the one who is focused on the mother of invention presentation itself"

Stop! Please. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ratrace2]

Sorry AmnonMike, The more you say the less convincing your argument is to me and I have been very successful in busiess. It is when you manufacture and sell an invention that is extraordinarily successful that the sharks bite. My cottage industry with 18 patents aimed for 10% market share and took40% in the first week of sales. That was when the supply of essential steel was frozen and my $12,000 company atacked by an octopus with unlimited capital. Rather than buy me out they chose to protect an obsolete tool that was inferior in many ways. But good luck anyway! Cheers, Lin/
I would send this guy (len olen) money..................:) :) :)

[the1much]

its funny that a business guy wants "verifiable" worth from perspective investors,,yet cant even prove its been seen tested or anything,,,,you do get papers after ya tests that verify your results, and doesnt give ANY INFORMATION about your invention.,,,and ANY person that is legit would know this,,,so show VERIFIABLE results,,,i know more millionaires then i do boats ;)

[masalai]

I do not know snake-oil? coconut oil makes a good fuel for compression ignition engines. Do you know anyone who would like to participate in helping me to grow and produce same in a tax-haven Pacific paradise - Vanuatu?

I am serious.... My interest is to assist in economic development with minimal adverse social impact on the local community lifestyle. A place where I can retire and remain totally (well almost) self sufficient..

[marshmat]

Not sure if you're kidding or confused, masalai....?;)

(For reference: snake oil salesman = con artist)

[Kay9]

Im all for snakes being oiled...Nothing so sad as a non-slippery snake.

K9

[ratrace2]

I have heard many stories about inventors' disappointments, and am not planing to be one myself.
:confused: I am not sure what you do not like about what I am sharing, as I am not arguing and am only sharing from my wisdom and knowhow with members of this website I think is a very good place to share information on new and old established knowhow.
:!: I know people and business can be ugly, but they can choose to also be good and very good - a quality which is not as popular in our times, but I am witnessing the real young generation does have such values, and that is good hope for us all.
Mr.Cohen,
When you started this thread you posted 3 pictures. One of those pictures has your company name "Superior Hulls inc." pasted, or inset into the frame. The picture I am referring to is of, what looks like to me, a 200' Destroyer Hull. I have examined this photo and found that the date is December 7 2000.
Also, I find in that photo that a number of numerical representations are added by the test facility. One is the time, and the Hull number of the Test Tool (Hull). Now, and this is my point, I see no representation, other than a cheap photoshop cutout of your company name in the original data set as recorded by the test facility computers.
In addition, in your testimonials, you referr to things like "humps" as an analogy for wakes and surf and waves. Your automobile analogy for what should be boating Jargon leaves me to believe that you have no knowledge of hydrodynamic qualities.
Also, your failure to provide on shred of factual evidence that anything tangible exists leads me to belive that you have less than good intentions when you "pitch" your "non-existant product.:mad: :mad:
Therefore, would you, Mr.Cohen, like to provide the name, location, and phone number for the test facility that conducted the tank test on the hull that you have represented as your product data?

[Lin Olen]

Hello K9. A prop connected to a motor has much drag whether rotating or stationary, but its an entirely different matter when it is free wheeling, the drag is very low unless you apply some braking. Any propeller can be coupled to a flywheel on a freely spinning shaft and get good results with a sailboat, but much better results if it has a coarse pitch and symmetrical blade sections. Dont knock it before you try it. It compliments Tuned Hulls and Rotary Sails superbly!

[Lin Olen]

Hello Fast Fred.
Exactly! This puny radio technician built his Tuned Hull and won a public rowing race against a professional net fisherman / boat builder... He didn't like losing as he always won before. I offered my boat to DeHavilland Marine who offered 22,000 pounds for a car-toppable design, but they ridiculed my lack of a university degree and gave a professional the job. This was the tinny that I held with a 5 HP angainst their 10 HP... Revenge is sweet, but not profitable.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

A negative storm made of many mixed winds-makers with bad English and poor respect has hit this calm thread of goodwill sharing at this website - yet it is very easy for me/us to survive this small irrelevant storm and let these wind-makers have the fun they/you like to have, and I wish you all happy and safe boating.

None of these :P :D :p are :cool: or have any good :idea: input - so, just enjoy venting yourselves, while proving that all I have and am and will be sharing, is wise and true, representing truth you and others may choose to doubt, and where yet others do choose to appreciate, respect, ponder or wonder about this information sharing; and by these :P comments that you may be proud of, you are all demonstrating that this is your way in life, and it is all within your freedom to choose and good fun for me also.
I thought and still trust that I am mostly in the company of mature respectful international professionals, and where also, there are many more childish disrespectful people having fun for free, so please take note, that your written words represent yourselves mostly and not the truth within this thread of goodwill sharing of news which are true and facts (Tested on open waters and in IMD Tow-Tank, documented, demonstrated and trusted by world class scientists from USA ONR and serious business persons) if you read all the words I have shared here @ BDnet - as my written words represent me and my company and the invention plus new technology and science resulted from my original discovery - and as other good members whom are more supportive and helpful members, theirs words and positive actions represent them also - so we shall let time and future be the ultimate demonstration of who is to be :) and who is to be :( & :mad: or :rolleyes: while the :idea: is ;) at the maritime industry.

I still have to clean up my old website and keep employing simple terminology most people can understand, and also do more important more constructive and more fun things; but have taken time to also answer your distrust and cynical approaches to a seriously beneficial opportunity to know of a technology seeking to merge and be of use for more then its successful inventor - who is still learning English...

[ratrace2]

A negative storm made of many mixed winds-makers with bad English and poor respect has hit this calm thread of goodwill sharing at this website
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Ratrace2 Says: That is putting it on a little thick, don't ya think. I thought that kind of rhetoric went out with doctors promoting cigarettes.
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- yet it is very easy for me/us to survive this small irrelevant storm
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Ratrace2 Says: Where do you get the "us" from.
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and let these wind-makers have the fun they/you like to have, and I wish you all happy and safe boating.
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Ratrace2 Says: Wind-makers Now Now, calling people names is not nice Mr.Cohen
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None of these :P :D :p are :cool: or have any good :idea: input - so, just enjoy venting yourselves, while proving that all I have and am and will be sharing
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Ratrace2 Says: What have you "shared"......where is it...show me the goods
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, is wise and true, representing truth you and others may choose to doubt,
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Ratrace2 Says: Truth, scientifically, truth is backed up with facts....You got any facts....Mr.Cohen....??????????????? I'm waiting...
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and where yet others do choose to appreciate, respect, ponder or wonder about this information sharing; and by these :P comments that you may be proud of, you are all demonstrating that this is your way in life, and it is all within your freedom to choose and good fun for me also.
I thought and still trust that I am mostly in the company of mature respectful international professionals, and where also, there are many more childish disrespectful people having fun for free, so please take note, that your written words represent yourselves mostly and not the truth within this thread of goodwill sharing of news which are true and facts (Tested on open waters and in IMD Tow-Tank, documented, demonstrated and trusted by world class scientists
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Ratrace2 Says: You have already been told that IMD is old technology....
OK, I'll give you benefit of the doubt if you give me the name of your scientists............OK.......Deal..........You want to make that deal???????
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from USA ONR and serious business persons) if you read all the words I have shared here @ BDnet - as my written words represent me and my company and the invention plus new technology and science resulted from my original discovery
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Ratrace2 Says: where is it for the 15th time.......????????
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- and as other good members whom are more supportive and helpful members, theirs words and positive actions represent them also - so we shall let time and future be the ultimate demonstration of who is to be :) and who is to be :( & :mad: or :rolleyes: while the :idea: is ;) at the maritime industry.
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Ratrace2 Says: Oh, now you speak for the Maritime community????
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I still have to clean up my old website and keep employing simple terminology most people can understand,
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Ratrace2 Says: NO, you just have to learn boating terminology.
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and also do more important more constructive and more fun things;
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Ratrace2 Says: well, why are you here if it's such a waste of time.
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but have taken time to also answer your distrust and cynical approaches to a seriously beneficial opportunity
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Ratrace2 Says: we haven't seen anything yet........
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to know of a technology seeking to merge and be of use for more then its successful inventor
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Ratrace2 Says: Where is it, Show me, Show me
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- who is still learning English...
Oh come come now Mr.Cohen, Your English is very, very good: when you want it to be.

[Kay9]

Lin I think your cross posting. Im not nocking anything. Im just very much under the impression that a prop in the water creates drag, and a spinning prop creats more drag then a stopped prop. I might be wrong. I often am.

Sorry Lin and I dont mean to hijack and we will move this back to the correct forum.

K9

[AmnonMikeCohen]

SORRY Mr Ratrace2 that we are not on the same thinking thread, but this whole tread is to share what I can and not what I can not yet share - so without our missing the communications or challenging points of what I have invented and why it is not shown, the simple reason, no one other then me has put the time and investment into the invention, so it stays mine and installed on my prototypes, for patenting and business development reasons only, and not for personal pride or B.S, as in Bull Crap or Snake Oil Sales or proposals from Kenya and other such accusations I already had to face here.

So please not good man, that the information is reserved for Prospecting Investors and Partners who can be part of the introduction of the technology - and for such cases, I have all the facts ready - but in public these are not to be shared yet, only in secured direct private communications with records of such communications which are legal and binding as good patents and good business are. Now why is this not simple to accept? I have been living with this patiently for more then 30 years and may die with it in my head and what is stored in my office and computers and on the www as well as in my yard. sure you can respect that I am not playing hide and seek or lying about all that I am writing about without apparent reason! I am not stupid and have no devious intents, only asking for help in locating the proper investment capital needed for securing and publishing the knowhow I have developed and am ready to share in my old age.

Let us hope, I can show what I have created, sooner then later at this forum!

The CNRC IMD (Institute of Marine Dynamics) in Newfoundland of Canada, is a respected marine testing facility, and the USA ONR (Office of Naval Research) is also a very respected institution, and its Chief Scientist for Displacement Hulls' knowhow, is also the adviser to NATO, and he was with me on this 12 feet boat, himself, and was intrigued with my invention, and he still is holding one of my 3 copies of the documented study, which he refused to give back to me, and I have not seen them make use of this without my permission, yet, and while it is my intellectual property which is also recorded in the USA PTO (Patent Office) since April 1991.

So you may see, it is not simple to have such important knowhow a successful inventor like to share with the markets for the invention - just because it was invented here and not there, if you know that this means - who is the owner of the invention and who is controlling the rewarding financial results of such work - and why the mariners - people like the ones visiting this website, do not get access to market ready products and services.

:!: Do you know, that Microsoft has a policy of not working with inventors, and making all they can make from what they can own - which is why we have poor computers and continuous costly problems in the industry - just so to keep maintaining control and domination over the industry (And they have invented nothing in real terms?!
:!: Do you know, that USA and CANADA were leaders of innovation in the industrial world for years and now we have all lost this leadership to short term greed and short sighted investment mentality.
:!: Have you noticed we have lost the trust we use to have in each-other, and the will to help and look beyond self survival in an eroding economy the 3rd world now owns?!
:cool: There are ways of old which are better then the new ways we have come to accept as the way to succeed in life and in person - and I hold to these time tested historic ways of successful personal and public conduct - but mostly to good business ways where real gains are archived within a win win win win solutions (Where all private and public participants win)

Got to go to to sleep, as my wife is there already.

Amnon (Ami Cohen)

Oh come come now Mr.Cohen, Your English is very, very good: when you want it to be.

[kengrome]

I am not sure what you do not like about what I am sharing ...Ammon, you keep referring to all the stuff you are "sharing" with us, yet I have seen nothing of value so far. Where are the confirmable facts?

It seems you think we should just take yor word for everything, but we will never do that. We are mostly intelligent people here who can smell a scam a mile away. Scammers always behave the same so it is easy to spot them.

You've been asked for a patent number but you have refused to provide it. You have been asked for details about your testing and you have withheld this information as well.

When are you going to provide some answers to our questions, as well as references that we can check and confirm what you are telling us? Since you are not yet willing to answer our questions, perhaps it is best that you just "go away" until you are ready to do so.

P.S. I did a google patent search and there were only 5 patents applied since the year 2000 by a person with the name "Cohen" and with the term "boat" somewhere in the text of the patent -- and none of them appear to have anything to do with your so-called invention:

http://tinyurl.com/2rxnda

[ratrace2]

:p
Mr.Cohen,
You say that, " my intellectual property which is also recorded in the USA PTO (Patent Office) since April 1991."

So, what is the patent number??????????????:p

[AmnonMikeCohen]

:!: You are asking the questions already answered at this website, and more so at my private website, and you keep insulting my honest responses and statements, by being lazy to read all the information already posted and explained.

Let me explain in a simpler metaphor of family life we all have and share, because you may not have professional inventing background or understanding of the IP industry - and you may not have looked at my website where all I can legally put on the www is posted there, as well as stating that no confidential or trade secrets are to be seen by the public, as it is against the commercial interests of my company's ownership of the technology - as I reserve the Patenting rights -

The simple way I can put it, is that I am not prostituting my brain child as I would not prostitute my own child. It is simple parenthood we all agree with; so why keep prying on me to show you what is reserved for the contributing investor and/or valued partner. The investor and partner will like to have a virgin idea and not a prostituted one.

Lets try another example. Would you give me (Not just show) the keys to your boat, car or home - just so that I can approve or accept your ownership of a home or a car or boat you claim to own? Why, who am I to make use of your property, even if it is yours!?

Lets try another truth. A foolish inventor may come up with a foolish invention. I am not a foolish inventor!

Lets look at another fact. You think and write that I am not honest, but I am, and in my books, dishonest people do not believe others, and seldom if ever trust the truth. This is why the 10 commandment were given almost 4,000 years ago by an honest man who knew this fact and the other 9 you may have come to know. I follow all 10 and go yet beyond these...

Lets look at the last point I hope. If my invention is not an invention, it does not exist, there are no records of it, it does not work, it has no value, and I am a 'snake oil salesman' and so on and on - and yet, where I am not asking for money or anything from you or the readers, other then telling A Truth as News for the industry, news which may help the proper investor or partner seek the facts you are after, which raises the questions of why do you need to approve my truth?! And why should I get your approval!?
"If there is no truth in my words or work, this is a real problem for me, only and mostly me and myself, and no problem for you or anyone with no risk of being lied-to or is subjected to being exploited - so why do you bother me with distrust and insults? No one gains if I have a nothing, simpelst facts of life, and I have a real problem lying to myself first of all, and what do I gain from lying to you or the other readers on this website!?

:idea: Please, lets not waste the good valued space this respectful forum grants us, thanks to its supporters, and focus more on helping and sharing truths and facts as well as knowhow; and let most members decide for themselves what to do with or how to take, trust or mistrust, my posted thread of good news for the maritime industry.

[ratrace2]

Let's take a step back and look at what we have seen in the following pages of this thread.
Exhibit #1: we have an individual who wants to attract the investing community.
Exhibit #2: We have a "public" forum for the exposition and sharing of ideas, gossip, pictures, technical advice and a sundry of ideas revolving around the marine community.
Exhibit #3: Whereas we have an individual with an idea seeking the procurement of funding for is invention which cannot be revealed, no factual or scientific data thereof can be concluded from the expostion of such idea, we must concule that this is a "black project."
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Hypothesis #1:
Said individual whose initiation of the exposition of such a "black project" in a public forum is naive to the point of ignorance.
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Hypothesis #2:
Said individual whose intentions is to attact the investment community in a public forum without factual proof, or evidence of success is a fraud.
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Ya know what, you guys draw your own conclusions......I'm going to let the market answer these questions.
A). If anyone believes in Mr.Cohen....send him your money.
B). If anyone thinks that Mr.Cohen is a fraud...then just ignore him....

Mr.Cohen, I leave it to the market, Have a nice day.

[ratrace2]

:p :p Oh my God, I can't help it......................


Mr.Cohen Says, and I quote: "Lets try another truth. A foolish inventor may come up with a foolish invention. I am not a foolish inventor!"

Where is the first one?????

Well, Mr.Cohen, You have not proven that here. "as I reserve the patenting rights".....what???
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I think I got a snake by the tail, boys........................................................

[Kay9]

Lookie what I found:

It took some work. But I crossed refrenced that picture of a tank test, called some friends at the USMMA, and found out that picture is related to figure 17 of this patten.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5080032.html

Monohull fast sealift or semi-planing monohull ship Document Type and Number:United States Patent 5080032 Link to this page:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5080032.html Abstract:A vessel (10) has a semi-displacement or semi-planing round bilge hull (11) characterized by low length-to-beam ratio (between about 5.0 to 7.0) and utilizing hydrodynamic lift. The bottom (15) of the hull (11) rises toward the stern (17) and flattens out at the transom (30). Four waterjet propulsion units (26, 27, 28, 29) are mounted at the transom (30) with inlets (31) arranged on the hull bottom (15) just forward of the transom (30) in a high pressure area. Water under high pressure is directed to the pumps (32) from the inlets (31). Eight marine gas turbines arranged in pairs (36/37, 38/39, 40/41, 42/43) power the waterjet propulsion units (26, 27, 28, 29) through combined gearboxes (44, 45, 46, 47) and cardan shafts (48, 49, 50, 51).

[AmnonMikeCohen]

One thing I have learned here, in less than a week; and it is, that there are more of you self fooling people here, than the needed good trusting open minded wise people sought for advancing the maritime industry by first, just trusting truth and being helpful in the process of rewarding-referrals of good business opportunities set for taking new important products and services for successful introduction into the markets of the maritime industry.
Also, I have witnessed, that there may be now less members here, who may be willing to be helpful in bringing my exclusive new knowhow to the industry, especially with already so much dirt throwing into my good honest thread with conservative information on a highly valued business-development project, by these very same small group of self-fooling self-feeders persons creates, shameless persons who in most cases are not even credible enough to be using their real names and post a true personal profile, and within this one week, I have only witnessed 2 credible members who are not part of the negative self feeding crowd of doubters and free spinning intellectuals who are focused on insulting only, if they do not get theirs expectations in theirs ways.
This are my sad findings, for otherwise fine website!

This is how, in life, disinformation gets more respect then information - but it is like entering a bad bar where bad drinks are served, and I do not drink or medicate my spirit and pure sole, virtues which this crowd must lack.

Where honest pictures and word are not accepted, why should a smart inventor want to put more on such troubled waters?

So you said it best, unfortunately I still see that the force of VIVA SKEPTICS OF THE WORLD! is very strong in this forum.

Now For the members who are above those who has no anchor of hope in my truths and facts plus invention, you are very welcomed to write directly to me, as the 2 better members have done, and you will have more respectful sharing of opportunity and documented facts

[Lin Olen]

Good work, Kay9.

This is an excellent type of hull, but I know that its been around a long time in world navies. My original Tuned Hull was a full developed displacement hull that had kindly sea-keeping qualities. It also used the principle of hydrodynamic lift to progressively rise and transfer lift from hydrodynamic to surface planing.

Thanks for that...

Back to draggy propellers. You are right of course, I should be able to explain more explicitly. OK, (pun intended.) A skater on ice works to reach cruising speed, but once cruising there is little effort needed to maintain this speed. A propeller free-wheeling, that is, not connected and free to rotate creates very little drag. If it is connected to a load it is forced to work at rotating the load and this involves the main purpose of the propeller blade which is to provide thrust much greater than drag. (Stop thing of dry snakes!) Turning a flywheel takes a lot of energy to start with, but one up to speed it take very little effort to maintain it. I am a sailplane pilot. My greatest joy was flying my self launching sailplane, with its 80 horsepower engine and propeller. Once I had climbed up to near cloud base I could stop the motor and feather the fropeller. Feathering simply means turning the blades edge on. My sailplane could glide (or skate) for thirty miles for each mile of height, so you see, the propeller did not create significant drag when edge on to the airflow. Neither does a well designe maritime propeller create much drag if it is allowed to have its blades spinning freely so that they are edge on to the airflow. Phew... How about that?

There is a vast amount of potential energy that can be tapped from the interface of two masses moving in relation to each other. If you were to drop a storm drogue overboard while sailing with a spinnaker the sheet, or rope, towing the drogue will need to be very strong. This is the force that is tapped by an interface machine.

A Rotary Sail is an Interface Machine... So you see, you dont create energy from nothing, but perhaps there are a lot of free lunches for old salts that take up the offer extended by this very simple, safe and inexpensive invention. QED? Cheers, Lin

[Lin Olen]

edge on to the flow. (not airflow.) This site edits and distorts many words.

Go away, AMC

[Lin Olen]

The best foil shape is symmetrical.

Two arcs of a circle with length to thickness of ten or twelve to one has a much lower drag co-efficient than any asymetric propeller.

A broad flat blade is essentially symmetrical. This is why the old Seagull outboard motor with its simple flat bladed propeller worked so efficiently.

The props I made for my clockwork boat models were simply cut from a folded piece of copper sheet and soldered edge on to the prop shaft. This allowed my spring powered alarm-clock motors to power my models around three large circles before running down. Conventional mechanical toy boats barely managed to complete one circle.

Experimenters with pedal powered boats will get much better results if they ignore all of the experts, (Especially NASA foils) and use small diameter symmetrical propellers of low aspect ratio mounted edge on to the flow.

Large diameter, highly tapered asymmetric foils are inefficient contraptions.

Designers of man-powered water craft should look more closely at sharks and dolphins and keep the drive in proportion to the power generated. Never use curves or cambers of small radii. The narrower the chord the sharper the curve. This creates too much drag. Wide blades with a rounded leading edge work much better and they are easy to make. Cheers, Lin

[AmnonMikeCohen]

We are looking now a propellers' drag factors as well as best Foil shapes and I am here as I started with A FIN.

So just to clarify and try to help put it together for other readers, there are many types of these FINS FOILS & PROPELLERS and these act in different ways on different types of hulls and power to length and shape plus conditions of the skin as well as the seaway and aquatic environment plus pilot and direction of sailing at variable wave conditions - so we better focus on each isolated well defined conditions or questions, so I can be of any help that I can offer.

Fins, do not need to be hydrodynamic, but most are, as they are used more for stabilizing than any other use. I have found a new use for them as lifting and offering about 10 new commercial and safe use benefits.

Foils, must be hydrodynamic, as this is theirs special capability, and these can be added in many new and very fascinating combinations - and will always have a cross-section where the lifting area is longer then the cutting area - and cavitation is the risky byproduct.

A good start, is searching Google for IMAGES, pictures of Fins and Foils, so to get a good idea of how others use them.

As to propulsion, I shall not make any comments yet, as it is a very big and very important key sector of the industry