retiement at 40

[catie I]

hey sounds good hey?thats my plan,iam going to build up my in vestments over the next 10 years and buy my first catie(90ft catamaran).and spend the next 5-10 years at the latest,building to custom and planing my retiement on the open sea!this is my dream and if all goes well i will do it earlier! any advice on this subject would be great.

[waikikin]

Catie, sounds great, wont you miss Dubvagas though when your sailing in luxury , enjoying the deep blue, taking in the ozone, will you miss the wide open plains & swimming in the Maquarie River & swinging off the willow fronds before splashing into the cool water? Its a good scheme you've got to sail on a cat , I hope you got good resources to build a 90 footer, & good onya if you do, All the best from Jeff.

[Trevlyns]

Great news Catie! You already have a plan and a goal – just go achieve!!:)

Mine’s to retire next year at 59 - with no money to speak of - on a 32ft proa I’m building for under £1000. I plan to exist very basically whilst touring the globe. Guess I just never got the “sixty’s hippie” out of me. :rolleyes:

But I recon your dream Catie, is just as valid as mine.

Just how much boat (or money) does it take to have fun on the water?

Hope to bump into you one day – Thinks… would you invite me aboard for a good meal? :D

Best!

[juiceclark]

I turn 40 this year and had similar aspirations when in my 20s. Well, when you net worth finanally gets over seven figures you realize that's not nearly enough. The wife, KIDS....good luck! I'm still hoping to take 5 years at 50 and cruise the Great Loop and the Med. I figure I can always work when I'm too old to party...right?

Tony in Sw FL

[Brent Swain]

I semi retired at 26 by cutting costs. I've worked a month a year average since then.
Brent

[SeaSpark]

any advice on this subject would be great.

I have met disillusioned people that worked hard for their dream for over ten years. In the process they did not find the time to go sailing at sea or living near shore on a boat for longer periods of time.

Living on a boat is not always that nice. So if you have not experienced the cruising life before make sure to go sailing for longer periods as part of your preparation. You need to relax anyway from the money making.

[Pericles]

Is it just me who sees this, but a person who turns up on this forum without a clue how to type correctly in the English language and you guys applaud his efforts?

"hey sounds good hey?thats my plan,iam going to build up my in vestments over the next 10 years and buy my first catie(90ft catamaran).and spend the next 5-10 years at the latest,building to custom and planing my retiement on the open sea!this is my dream and if all goes well i will do it earlier! any advice on this subject would be great."

Do you people believe this? I do not think I do!

In my considered opinion, there are no "in vestments" , only a pipe dream and we are beholden to the other sensible people who contribute their advice and knowledge here, to not give credence to this catie 1 post.

On the other hand, Richard Branson is dyslexic and he's handsomely rich to the tune of over $7 billion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson

The only thing Branson and I have in common is that I purchased "Tubular Bells" in 1973 along with millions of others and thus, made him rich. So, what the hell do I know? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubular_bells

Bugger it, I'm going to bed and I shall face the storm of abuse tomorrow. :D :D :D :D

Pericles

[juiceclark]

Pericles,
After managing money for the wealthy for fifteen years, I have found no correlation between wealth and intelligence. The equation seems to be some mix of focus, luck (right time and place) and a willingness to delay the pleasures of the moment for potential gain. Well, I say "screw that!" A bus could hit me tomorrow - so, tonight I'm taking the flats boat out tonight and catching a few sharks.

"Forrest Gump" was about the best movie script ever written. Life is great if you don't do anything stupid - like attempting to build a custom, 50' sportfish.

Tony in Sw FL.

[Pericles]

juiceclark,

Life is even better than great, especially if you do do something not so stupid - like attempting to build a custom, 50' sportfish. Best thing you could do is make it even longer. :D :D :D

Back to the original post, how hard is it to type the text off forum, then run a spelling and grammar check and "copy and paste" after corrections? A job application letter of that quality wouldn't hit the sides on its journey into the waste bin. There is only one chance to make a good first impression.

Apart from inheriting wealth, intelligence has to be there to earn great wealth, but you are right, knowledge and education are not wisdom. :D

Regards,

Pericles

[Brent Swain]

This forum is about boat design ideas, not perfecting the english language . Relax, mellow out a bit.
Brent

[eponodyne]

Right now my banker is plotting my "retiement."


If I can afford to roll up my britches and go wading when I'm 108 it'll be a miracle, much less even lay eyes on a boat....

[Pericles]

Brent,

Agreed. this is a site about boats. It's not about perfecting the English language, it is about using it. There are more than enough translation programmes and spelling/grammar checkers online to help those who require that kind of help. Type the post as a letter, run the programmes and cut and paste. Basic computer knowledge that helps prevent one being exposed. That's how I write posts in French, they can sound archaic, but they are understandable and correctly spelled. Curiously, even the word "spell" has many meanings.

http://sb.thefreedictionary.com/spell

Correct pronunciation is the key to correct spelling i.e. the American written use of "then" rather than "than" confuses the meaning of a sentence, but arises directly from the speaker having perhaps not been taught the different spellings and meanings of the two words in early life.:D

Then, there is the common American misused "Item A is different than item B.",

It is "differs from" not "differs than", because the antonymic phrase is "Item A compares with Item B". So, in English we say "Item A differs from item B".

Differs from, not differs than! So simple, but a good example of two nations divided by a common language.:D :D :D :D :D

However, please do not feel dismayed by my gentle chiding. Read and understand Doric Scots if you can.

Doric

GIN I was God, sittin' up there abeen,
Weariet nae doot noo a' my darg was deen,
Deaved wi' the harps an' hymns oonendin' ringin',
Tired o' the flockin' angels hairse wi' singin',
To some clood-edge I'd daunder furth an', feth,
Look ower an' watch hoo things were gyaun aneth.
Syne, gin I saw hoo men I'd made mysel'
Had startit in to pooshan, sheet an' fell,
To reive an' rape, an' fairly mak' a hell
O' my braw birlin' Earth,--a hale week's wark--
I'd cast my coat again, rowe up my sark,
An' or they'd time to lench a second ark,
Tak' back my word an' sen' anither spate,
Droon oot the hale hypothec, dicht the sklate,
Own my mistak', an, aince I cleared the brod,
Start a'thing ower again, gin I was God.

Translation

IF I were God, sitting up there above,
Wearied no doubt, now all my work was done,
Deafened by the harps and hymns unending ringing,
Tired of the flocking angels hoarse with singing,
To some cloud edge I'd saunter forth and, faith,
Look over and watch how things were going beneath.
Then if I saw how men, I'd made myself
Had started out to poison, shoot and fell,
To steal and rape and fairly make a hell
Of my fine spinning Earth -- a whole week's work --
I'd drop my coat again, roll up my shirt,
And, ere they'd time to launch a second ark,
Take back my word and send another flood,
Drown out the whole shebang, wipe the slate,
Admit my mistake, and once I'd cleared the board,
Start everything over again, if I were God.

2006 saw some interesting developments on the Doric front. Firstly, an Aberdeen hotel decided to use a Doric voice for their lift. Phrases said by the lift include "Gyaun Up" [gʲɑ:n ʌp] (Going up), "Gyaun Doun" [gʲɑ:n dun] (Going down), "atween fleers een an fower" [ə'twin fli:rz in ən 'fʌur] (between floors one and four) [3]. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, Maureen Watt of the SNP took her Scottish Parliamentary oath in Doric. She said "I want to advance the cause of Doric and show there's a strong and important culture in the North East." [4]. She was required to take an oath in English beforehand. There was some debate as to whether the oath was "gweed Doric" [gwid 'do:rɪk] or not, and notably it is, to a certain extent, written phonetically and contains certain anglicised forms such as "I" rather than "A", and "and" instead of "an":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doric_dialect_%28Scotland%29

"I depone aat I wull be leal and bear ae full alleadgance tae her majesty Queen Elizabeth her airs an ony fa come aifter her anent the law. Sae help me God"

There is also some controversy over the use of "majesty" for a Scottish monarch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetic_apostrophe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_%28linguistics%29

Ezzit nae eny wunda we dinna understan' won a nether?:D

Pericles

[waikikin]

Pericles, why would you want to /iss on anothers dreams, wether its a "pipe" dream or something else? and so what if the've only got 1 post, you gotta start somewhere! Regards from Jeff.

[KnottyBuoyz]

Right now my banker is plotting my "retiement." Wrong! Your banker is planning his retirement w/your money! Sheez!!! ;)

[Pericles]

From Waikikin,

"Pericles, why would you want to /iss on anothers dreams, wether its a "pipe" dream or something else? and so what if the've only got 1 post, you gotta start somewhere! Regards from Jeff."

Jeff,

That post rather proves my point don't you think?

why would you want to /iss on another's dreams, whether its a "pipe dream" or something else? And so what if they've only got 1 post, you've got to start somewhere! :D :D

Last weekend, I put this question to my teenager sons, "What is worse ambition without ability or ability without ambition?"

The consensus was the first half of the question is worse, because the person who chooses not to use their ability, is probably happier than the person who wants what they cannot achieve. Better they learn life is cruel and plan accordingly. It called tough love!

Pericles

[juiceclark]

Hmmm. Very good Pericles. In fact, I'd say the vast majority of politicians represent the first half of that question posed to your sons. Ambition affects others while talent is just something hanging from your toolbelt.

[Roly]

"Pericles, why would you want to /iss on anothers dreams, wether its a "pipe" dream"
Often I wonder, (biting my tongue) whether it appropriate to give these fellas a reality adjustment. Hell isn't happiness is a state of mind? Dreaming = doing?

"Last weekend, I put this question to my teenager sons, "What is worse ambition without ability or ability without ambition?
Better they learn life is cruel and plan accordingly"

Then anything else is a bonus.

Somewhat over sensible and even-keeled you are, pericles. Bet you are a mentor..... or a quaker.:D

[Pericles]

Roly,

You must understand that I am certainly no mentor. I haven't got the patience for it, but you are most welcome to learn. As for being a Quaker and turning the other cheek? Not a chance! In my wild and woolly days, I was the school bully.:p :p

Since then of course, I have mellowed with the years and I now live my life by these straightforward diktats. Political Correctness and Socialism are Communism, plain and simple. I say "Stand up straight and don't look for handouts. A man's duty is to protect and provide for his family. If he hasn't got the brains nor the balls, shoot him, in order to encourage the others." :D :D :D

Society still requires hewers of wood and drawers of water, who may work hard but, as they don't work smart, they are at a disadvantage. Like the pox, the poor it seems, will always be with us. :D

Between 1948 and 1953 my family and I lived in NZ, as my father was sent over there by Glaxo UK to take charge of a subsidiary company that needed better management. He turned the company around in five years and we returned home. In those years, a trip to the pictures demanded wearing Sunday best clothes and a guarantee of returning home with fleas. My parents' technique of getting rid of them was to get warm in bed, then rapidly strip off the bedding and catch the fleas on a bar of soft soap and cut them in half with a knife!!!!

Now I've retired, I thought I'd return for a vacation. Have things changed?:P :P

Would I get in?:P

Pericles

[catie I]

Pericles,
what do you do for a living?

[Pericles]

#18. I am now retired.

I took summer work from age 16 and full time at 19. I went to night school, then earned day release. I am self taught in most things, because I have a burning desire to know everything about anything. Since 1965, sales and marketing was where I earned my living. I am good at it, so eventually I went into business for myself. Since being divorced from their mother in '92, I have raised and educated my three sons 25, 19 & 17 (yesterday) as self assured, free men. In other words, there is no freedom without responsibility and all actions have consequences. They understand they are free to do whatever they want and as such, choice costs. The ultimate choice is not to believe in life after death and, it necessarily follows, there is no need to have gods.

I am widely read in sciences, world history, geography and other related subjects because, ever increasing scientific research tells us much, much more than any religion ever can, about our origins and how we clever apes got lucky. The evolution of our branch of humans nearly came to a halt 74,000 years ago. Imagine, no boat building forum! :mad: :mad: :mad:

http://www.*******.org/BOOK/originals/Weber-Toba/textr.htm

http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/bottleneck.html

You will be delighted to know that are not alone, however. :P

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070215134529.htm

There you have it. A longer answer than you expected, I daresay. :P

Pericles

[nero]

"Perlime" One of the most valued properties of the "english" language is that so many nations can mis pronounce and slant the vocabulary ... and still the majority can comprehend the message.

... well except for the black american version. smile

Yes, I am envious or those who can observe a Benny Hill emision and be Brit-witted enough to understand every joke he utters. smile

cheers!

[Guillermo]

Hi, nero!
I'v just been some days ago at Marseille. I did'nt know it. Nice city and nice restaurants!
Cheers.

[Fanie]

I never want to retire. The world is a big place and much to do and much to see and much to learn and too many fishes to catch just yet.

Everyone I saw that retired at ANY age went OLD in about two years. They say that men die before their wives because they want to, but I'm going to break the chain ;)

Everyone I saw that never retired and kept involved with all kinds of things and does some work - and work can be your own stuff too - still looks like when I last saw them.

I don't want to die and get up There and They ask me why I haven't cought enough fish, or Eh ! Gee whiz, you're so dumb, didn't you learn ANYTHING down there ? Why have you not built that boat when you were down there ? You're not an example to your children, you're a WARNING to them !!

You have to be clever about this. I have so many projects to do that my wife says if I age to 500 I won't get them all done. Now if my WIFE admits to something you can know it's the truth, and I don't mind getting to 500 years old :D Too many pretty girls around in any case.

I never want to retire.

[DanishBagger]

.

I don't want to die and get up There and They ask me why I haven't cought enough fish, or Eh !

Don't worry, the last lift-ride won't be going up …












:P

[Fanie]

Oh no Dannish, see, that's where you're defenately wrong, it is going to be up ! ;) Just as you don't back up into prosperity (in the past) you have to go foreward to it :)

[juiceclark]

In modern society, retirement should happen between 22 and 40 years old. Work after 40 should be the most productive and the least errant.

[Guillermo]

Perry,
may I suggest you the reading of the ex-atheist and Oxford professor Alister McGrath's "The Dawkin Delusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawkins_Delusion%3F)"? (SPCK, London 2007). Even if you do not agree with the author, you'll probably find it an interesting reading. It would be fair to read first Dawkin's "The God Delusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion)"
Cheers.

[tom28571]

Pericles,

I sent you a PM.

[Brent Swain]

pericles
Save it for someone who gives a ****. We don't .
Brent

[DanishBagger]

pericles
Save it for someone who gives a ****. We don't .
Brent

Hmm, someone seems mighty offended …

[Pericles]

Hello Brent,

Every other post of yours, up to the last one, has been useful and sometimes amusing.

You, being in BC and thus a Canadian, have surprised me by claiming for yourself, the authority to declare on behalf of those who post at this forum, the royal "We" in respect of the use of poor grammar and incorrect spelling resulting in my suggestion that there are basic methods or techniques in avoiding same and that the erstwhile offer or gift of faecal matter as a gesture of goodwill or not, should be remaindered to the role of a single person, to whit, you. :D :D :D

Placing the following words "gives a ****. We don't" in a new order and ignoring for the moment, the disparity of nouns and singularity of persons, I see you could be saying "I don't give a ****", for which my remedy would be a good, nutritious Kashmiri chicken tonight, which should wrought wondrous bodily easement, as such was the benefit to me this morning, after last night's repast, courtesy of Patak's glorious condiments.

Thus, being enlightened, I can gaze upon your dismissive missive without rancour, with but one request. "Don't do it again, you naughty boy, or I'll wash your mouth with soap and send you to your room without any supper".

I remain, virtuously Victorian, etcetera, etcetera, :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Pericles

[Guillermo]

Well said, my virtuously Victorian friend! :D

[tom28571]

Well said, my virtuously Victorian friend! :D

And a hearty round of applause from at least one of the colonials:)

[Roly]

"pericles
Save it for someone who gives a ****. We don't."

Ditto Brent.
Arrogance only exceeded by generosity of opinion.

Sanctimonious prik. (as in dik tat)

Another bright mind with too much time dealing with other than lifes necessities.
Another tirade?

[Pericles]

Roly,

Another Tirade? No, I just knocked out the reply to Brent in a couple of minutes, because I am clever with words. It was for my amusement and it would seem others also enjoyed it. You must understand that, surely? :P

Oh, and it's "life's necessities". :P :P I guess educational standards in NZ have plummeted as well.

Best of British (luck).

Pericles

[DanishBagger]

… Unfortunately some people need the luck of the irish :p

[Guillermo]

... because I am clever with words....
OK, let's put that to trial: Without the help of a dictionary, google or the like, tell us, for some pints of beer, the meaning of these ten english language's words (1 beer each):

vernalagnia
vibratiunculation
machiaphobia
mammothrept
minimifidian
deipnophobia
dithyramb
quaestuary
hordarian
sgiomlaireached

Cheers.

[Fanie]

let's put that to trial: Without the help of a dictionary, google or the like

Fair only if you came up with these magnificant words without a dictionary, google or the like, all by yourself :P One musk keep in mind all these tools are at hand and at one's disposal, as long as you know how to use them and in the right context... some languages a direct translation comes out back to front, but yeah, I'd also like to see the fumbling :D or is it guessing :rolleyes:

[DanishBagger]

OK, let's put that to trial: Without the help of a dictionary, google or the like, tell us, for a pint of beer, the meaning of these ten english language's words (1 point each. Beer won if 5 points or more):

vernalagnia
vibratiunculation
machiaphobia
mammothrept
minimifidian
deipnophobia
dithyramb
quaestuary
hordarian
sgiomlaireached

Cheers. ;)

Actually, that has nothing to do with being clever with words. When one is clever with words it's about making plays and puns and twist and turns, not about knowing words like yours or the word antidisestablishmentarianism.

Thought I'd quote Les Claypool:
They call me Mr. Knowitall
I will not compromise.
I will not be told what to do.
I shall not step aside.

They call me Mr. Knowitall
I have no time to waste.
My mouth it spews pure intellect.
As I such elegantly … put …

They call me Mr. Knowitall.
I sup the aged wine.
Oh I could tell such wonderous tales
if I should find the time.

I must be Mr. Knowitall
For ideas they come in bounds.
I am Mr. Knowitall
So spread the word around.


They call me Mr. Knowitall
I am so eloquent.
Perfection is my middle name
… … and whatever rhymes with eloquent.

:-)

[Pericles]

Guillermo,

Latin or Greek, it's all Welsh to me. :confused:

Quaestuary. What estuary, you money lover?

Vernalagnia. Lust after green. Vernal means Spring.

Vibratiunculation. Terminate with extreme prejudice. Extreme Unction (the benefit of an RC schooling :P ) That's the cat's whisker.

Machiaphobia. Fear of the hopeful governor of Vermont. How does machia make war?

Mammothrept. Saggy breasts. A grandmother's boy.

Minimifidian. Oh ye of little faith. Me. Minimal fidaelis.

Dithyramb. Disco rap with a lispeth. Are you trying to Bacchus off the cliff?

Deipnophobia. Fear of Dieppe, because I have nothing to say when dining there.

Hordarian. The position that disappeared when Henry Vlll dissolved the monasteries and seized the treasures therein.

Sgiomlaireached. A close friend of mine drops by at lunchtime. Tat's got to be Oirish or Gallego







Yeah yeah, I looked them up, but so did you! :P :P

Best wishes,

Perry

[kwb1312]

Dithyramb, one out of ten, and even that only because of some dark memory that Nietzsche, - or his sister-, finally stopped writing after the „Dionysos-Thyramben“.

To find out, - decades after being treated with Latin and Greek -, that ones knowledge is not even sufficient for one beer, is harsh, but also enlightening. Suddenly it´s clear why more clever people like PM Brown think selling hamburger is enough preparation for university. :D

kwb

[Pericles]

What! Wh, wh, wh? One outta ten! That's more than harsh, that's iniquitous!!:mad:

Solamente una cerveza! Why are beers feminine? I'm having one right noooooowwwww, courtesy of good ol' Waitrose hic habe habeamus
as cor cor corpus! Wash at mean, know, know wot i mean, pal?

Hell's teeth, that was strong!:P

Pericles

[kwb1312]

You are right, testimonium paupertatis.
- But what´s that stuff you pour into your beer? :confused:

kwb

[Pericles]

Whusky an wimmin an wild, wild song.:P

Perickkkllles

[tom28571]

My vocabulary is only decently strong so I can only watch the erudition from the sidelines.

Perhaps the original intent of the discussion should not be lost. Courtesy seems to be the missing element in many posts here. If one has the ability to write a cohesive sentence with reasonably good punctuation and grammar, I think it is offensive not to do so. I know some of the posts must offend forumites although I also know that we have no constitutional right not to be offended.

There is no downside to good manners. Mistakes slip by the best writers. It is always good policy to attack the idea instead of the person who puts it forward. The former starts a discussion or argument. The latter starts a war which no one wins and all lose, including bystanders.:)

[Guillermo]

Well said too, Tom!

Even if you looked at the dictionary, I'll invite you to the beers whenever you come down here, melliloquent Perry!

Salud!

Post Scriptum
To be fair, I got the words here: http://www.islandnet.com/~egbird/dict/dict.htm

[Pericles]

Tom,

Manneths maketh maneth. Ran out of cerveza, now on the red, red wine.:D

Best wishes,

Perry

[Pericles]

Cor, stone me, Dubvagus is a place?

This explains everything. http://www.bebo.com/FriendList.jsp?MemberId=3352403

Just read the messages!

Catie 1, I apologise. Your English may be stilted , but surely not as bad as the poor benighted creatures who have revealed themselves, as above.

Good grief, how will they ever earn enough to support themselves, let alone pay the pensions of the Australians who worked to make that country great? Woe to them.

Pericles

[Brent Swain]

Yo Pericles
Speaka da english?
A Canadian, while visiting Oxford , asked a professor " Where's the library at?"
The proffessor said "At Oxford we never end a sentence with a preposition." The Canadian then said "OK. Where's the library at, *******?"
I have better things to do than spend a lot of time doing spellcheck. I'd rather get more info out than deny people info I have ,for the appeasement of some nitpicking , picker of flyshit out of pepper.I have a life outside the internet.It's really sad that some people don't .
Brent

[Pericles]

And you my fine Colonial friend, have neither a sense of humour, nor much imagination. I don't know what makes you so dumb and unpleasant, but it really works. If you do have something to communicate, it is best written in a form that leaves no doubt of its meaning.The manner in which you post here reveals you have a disorganised mind and a vulnerable ego.

Sharp speech such as yours in your last post, does not mean you have a keen mind. For example, you wrote, "I have better things to do than spend a lot of time doing spellcheck." to which the obvious response is, "If you could spell, then you'd spend no time at all doing spellcheck!" Do you understand what I mean? :P

Why don't you take some good advice and lighten up? Here's a joke for you.

Teacher: Brent Swain, give me two pronouns.

Brent: Who, me?

Teacher: Very good! :D

Cheers, :)

Pericles

[Brent Swain]

It's flattering that the only thing you can find to criticise in my postings is my spelling. Thanks for the compliment.
If us colonials hadn't gone to your country to babysit you and keep bullyboy Hitler away, you'd be goosestepping by now.
You're welcome.
Brent