Free design for amateur boatbuilders

[peppe]

One last thing, I made some changes to the original design. I'm making a bulb-keel moving (as attached drawings). In my opinion provides good stability (see curve in annex). if you have any comments or suggestions about the keel and the stability please contact me

[jurjen kroes]

Hello Alik

I am working on the Kavalier 800 desing.

I found your design on google and have already build the frame!
I am searching for some information on the keel, bulbkeel ore if you have any other designs on it I would be realy pleased if you would let me know.

I hope you can help me whit this. (Maybe webpages ore other)

Whit regards Jurjen Kroes

P.s. If anyone needs any information, who is building the Kavalier 800
I can send pic. and maybe give some info on this
(e-mail jurjenkroes@hotmail.com)

[Alik]

This is extended version of P590 built in Ukraine. Note extended transom with platform.

[cx4dad]

Very nice boat, and what' s the LOA and LWL? looking the picture I' think this boat has a keel ballast, that's right?
Alik nowadays my Pilgrim / Solymareño (LOA 21) Feet has 850 nautical milles and I very happy with it.
Tanks Alik, best regards Pedro

[cx4dad]

Is it possible to explain the info about this Pilgrim?

[carlos bairo]

pedro have you design this boat or you maiking a modfication,
that' a nice boat congratulations .,i am looking to have comunication with
constructores of boats in uruguay ,i am born in uruguay especialista in aluminium/and steel constrution at the moment building aTUG BOAT aluminium
(remolcador)21fut ,will take with my one day on my return,your english is perfect to my ,email adres/leticiabairo@yahoo.com.au best regards C J BAIRO

[gonzo]

cx4dad:
I was just sailing that area about six monts ago. The photo is of Isla de las Gaviotas. Windy and choppy most of the time

[carlos bairo]

ola gnzo;;i have send email to montevideo to in espanol to PEDRO with attachment fotos of one of my 21 fut alloy crusier build last yer.,this design
is from BODEN BOATS australia end i made from scrap lofting take a lot of time
but i am very please with the final product 25knots at 5000rev.135hp outboard.,i building a tug boat TITAN from GLEN L MAREINE & K ATKINSON alloy with full zize paterns plaiting at this moment best regards j c BAIRO

[cx4dad]

Dear Carlos:
very good your 21 feet and very nice also, well the designer of the Pilgrim 590 was Albert Nazarov ( Alik) senior member of this forum, I have done a little modification in the bow, my pilgrim is a 21 feet...
Dear Gonzo:
its ok, that´s Isla de las Gaviotas, near of Puerto de Buceo,and in spring and summer the Rio de la Plata is very chopy and windy, I think the most beautifull season for sail here is automme and the winter is the weather is fine too, but the water is very cold.
At this moment the Solymareño has sailed about 900 nautical milles, in the Rio de la Plata.

[carlos bairo]

gonzo;;; i know the condicion at the rio de la plata ,i have working for 12 yers at talleres /varadero in the port administracion /a lot of time sailing and work with remolcadores (tug)boats .thats my trade /pressure vessels constrtion.,i will bring TITAN (tug)alloy vessel with my too on my return to URUGUAY duing the plaiting at the moment ., will send you potos very soon chers carlos

[antoine51]

please send me the specification in english
thanks antoine
kamelec@gmail.com

[carlos bairo]

info'''' i do not know the type of specifications that you refering
i don't understand you cuestion
carlos

[John FunBoat]

Hi! Send teh questions to Konstantin. Contacts will find in http://www.awlyachting.com/index_en.htm. I know this man personaly, did build one boat together. He works with designer.

[claudiu01]

Hy Alik

I like your Kavalier 800 design and i want to build the boat but for that i was to the naval autority here in Romania and they want to ad at the project stability info like STIX (iso 12217-2), but i have problems calculeiting the area under GZ arms (AGZ)

Can you help me whit that if you have time please please :confused:

Thank`s

[Alik]

You should build it, make inclination test and then produce stability curve based on actual CG. Having this curve, You can calculate STIX.

This is the only way to go becasue amount of modifications and material changes is enormous for amateur-built boats.

I wonder why they need STIX? Boats built by amateurs are not subject to CE certification...

If You need to check area, just take any book on naval architecture or numerical methods, and study how integration works.

[magwas]

Boats built by amateurs are not subject to CE certification...


Above a size one have to register the boat. To register you need documentation on ship safety.

I believe the regisration limit throughout EU is 6.2m LOA and 10m2 sail area. At least it is in Hungary.

Claudiu I don't know the ukrainen or moldavian registration rules, you might get around the thing by first registering in another country then transfer the registration home.

However I would not try to build a seagoing craft without design documentation containing stability calculations.

[Alik]

Above a size one have to register the boat. To register you need documentation on ship safety.

I believe the regisration limit throughout EU is 6.2m LOA and 10m2 sail area. At least it is in Hungary.

Claudiu I don't know the ukrainen or moldavian registration rules, you might get around the thing by first registering in another country then transfer the registration home.

However I would not try to build a seagoing craft without design documentation containing stability calculations.

Ok, then one needs to order the design (in some countries designer should have a license), then run design approval procedure, etc. The costs involved are probalby compartable with cost of construction... good bye, boatbuilding!

I wonder if any design for amateur builders (free or purchased) is approved or contains stability diagrams and all other data for certification? I have never seen one...

As to P590 and K800 designs, both of them were developed before ISO12217 was introduced; I am quite sure they will comply to category C, but there are no calculations performed to prove it.

[Alik]

Photos on water...

Some members asking about photos on water. Here they are for one boat. Nicely built boat..
http://www.shipmaker.ru/proj_kavaler_foto_sea.html

Build photos:
http://www.shipmaker.ru/proj_kavaler_foto.html

[SAE140]

Hello Alik - I've had a look at your 590 design - you clearly have good design skills. If you have a spare moment, could you take a look at: http://project-paltus.99k.org ?
If you have any suggestions regarding design improvements, they would be appreciated. Text in English, original Russian text in the appendices. Many thanks.

[Alik]

Hello Alik - I've had a look at your 590 design - you clearly have good design skills. If you have a spare moment, could you take a look at: http://project-paltus.99k.org ?
If you have any suggestions regarding design improvements, they would be appreciated. Text in English, original Russian text in the appendices. Many thanks.

I know this design; nice boat.

I never try to 'improve' designs developed by others, unless a) their authors ask for advice or b) there is a safety concern.

Actually for modifications one needs to know how You want to use the boat.

[SAE140]

Hello Alik

thanks for the reply

The designers of the Drascombe Lugger and Paltus are both dead now, of course.

The on-going issue with this design is the inboard rudder set-up, which requires the rudder to be lifted clear out of the water well before beaching, which means no steerage control at a fairly crucial time. Failure to do this can result in a bent rudder assembly as the kick-up is only partially effective - and this damage has indeed happened to several people. Safety issue ? Certainly can be, but more of a nuisance most of the time.

But - I respect your views about tinkering with someone else's design.

Regards,

[Tad]

SAE........

My boat Ratty is a modified (different hull form) takeoff from the original Drascombe, size is between the Lugger and the Longboat at 20' LOA.......anyway we have an outboard kickup rudder which is very handy when coming into a beach or going over shallows.......

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[Kanibal]

Hi ppl.

I'm using GOOGLE CHROME. You can translate all text with 1 click. Hope this will help you.

Sorry for my BAD English!

[BATAAN]

SAE........

My boat Ratty is a modified (different hull form) takeoff from the original Drascombe, size is between the Lugger and the Longboat at 20' LOA.......anyway we have an outboard kickup rudder which is very handy when coming into a beach or going over shallows.......

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GREAT LITTLE BOAT!!

[FadeDude]

Can I also ahve this stuff in English please...

Not that my Russian is rusty or anything, I just cant speak any of it... :-)

louis@vanto.co.za

[Alik]

P590 and K800 launchings...