new powering system that uses wave action

[venomousbird]

many of you have probably seen the flashlights that can be powered by shaking? a magnet slides back and forth inside of a tube that is wrapped in magnet wire, and the motion of the magnet produces an electrical charge

banks of light, thin plastic tubes, with an interior coated in teflon, wrapped in thin copper magnet wire could have a cylindrical neodymium magnet inside that would move back and forth through the tube in the rocking action of waves

this would produce an electrical current that could be used to help power a boat, and would make use of the movement that is normally wasted

[jorghenderson]

A system like this would not only generate power but also dampen the motion a vessel, interesting, please keep posting your ideas.

[nero]

Since the motion of the sea is not always inline with the boat, perhaps the tube could be set up on a resticted rotating base. This might even amplify the motion that the "piston" would have.

Or going 3D, perhaps it is possible to put a sphere inside a sphere. Permenant Magnets and a ballast. The interior ball would stay relatively still but the outside would twist, pitch and roll. Would this be a more efficent method to capture all the movement between the boat and gravity?

[venomousbird]

perhaps some kind of a pendulum

[nero]

Yes. A pendulum could work. If, there was a u-joint at the end it could force a direct conversion to rotational movement.

But, It would take up quite a bit of space. The tube idea is more compact. Even if it was to rotate (this movement translated also into electrical energy), the unit would be pretty much in a plane. This might be mounted under the deck. The higher up from the waterline, the greater the moment ... the more energy that could come from it. Ever been on the top of the mast when the boat starts to roll?

Or maybe forget the tube and just put a weight on the edge of a disc. If the boat pitches, heels or is rolling. The energy will make it spin or oscillate. This moving weight would make the movement of the boat worse!

[lazeyjack]

this smacks of perpetual motion:)), better not let Shell, or Chevron hear of this, you could disappear, :P

[venomousbird]

this is getting to be a very interesting concept. . . the idea of leverage causing a greater variable based on the idea of the wave. . . . let's remember that all energy is based on waves anyhow, maybe this is not only a useful concept for boats, but a useful concept for understanding reality

philosophy aside, it seems like a heavy pendulum could be used to generate mechanical energy directly, or a series of pendulums could somehow be wired up with magnets to generate current based on the rolling of the waves

this isn't perpetual motion, because there is an energy input, the motion of the waves, normal ships, as I understand it, make no use of this energy, and in fact it normally robs a ship of its momentum. . . perhaps the idea of 'cutting' through the waves is outdated, and the waves themselves are of great potential use?

[venomousbird]

PS - I disappeared just recently, into a psych ward, but I got a lawyer in, and got out through a legal process. . . it was a most unpleasant experience

[venomousbird]

I wonder if a properly arranged array of magnetic pendulums could hold one another in balance, and act as one large conductor to induce a field in an array of coils?

It definately presents an interesting visual concept if nothing else, but I suspect that magnets that are held in check by one another would have other unique properties vs independent magnets. . . I wonder if this would decrease the overall power of the flux, or increase it?

Perhaps in an arrangement such as this, there could be a large grid of magnetically alligned pendulums of moderate weight under the deck, but above the cabin? I suppose these arrangements could be layered as well. . . any one know the physics on this?

[venomousbird]

I see a design potential of a boat that is not flat bottomed at all, but rather made of many oscilating buoys that are linked together. . . .

[lazeyjack]

I see a design potential of a boat that is not flat bottomed at all, but rather made of many oscilating buoys that are linked together. . . .

well thats stretching the boat a bit, BUT, pendulum da, they tried that many times, but the sea usually wins, the also tried an underwater conveyer, it does work, costly but it works, tide change, the thing runs backwards
i got out of a mental ward ages ago, not entirely cured though, you have em guessing here, they cant quite make out if you are nuts, , but I believe in you, keep going,
the main cost in these sorta things is controlling the hz, I spose

[venomousbird]

why worry about the frequency, just use an adaptor to charge up capacitors to moderate it all

I'm thinking the simplest way to boost efficiency going back to the tube design would be to use spherical magnets. . . anyone know anything about sterling engines? this might be a practical way of getting power out of one of them too the difference in temperature between the water and the surface of the deck could also be used to make power