our PM

[lazeyjack]

Just in case you dont know over there, what we have to put up with:mad:

'Howard is just like Mugabe'



May 24, 2007 - 6:19AM
Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe

Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe
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Prime Minister John Howard finds himself alongside Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe in an Amnesty International report which says they are among short-sighted fear-mongers dividing the world.

The human rights pressure group has accused Mr Howard of portraying asylum-seekers as a threat to national security.

The report also criticises Australia's role in the war on terror and its treatment of female victims of violence.

Amnesty secretary-general Irene Khan says the fear generated by leaders such as Mr Howard thrives on myopic and cowardly leadership.

Ms Khan included Mr Howard with Mr Mugabe, US President George Bush and Sudan's President Omar Al-Bashir in the same scathing paragraph in her foreword to the group's annual report published today

[alan white]

I resent George Bush being grouped together with Howard and Mugabe! It's not fair to either of them!

[Bergalia]

I think before this thread is allowed to continue Jeff should decide wether commenting on a fascist little bag of 19th Century orientated outmoded crap who is squandering millions of public dollars advertising his party - and various private health schemes - whilst failing to explain his multitude of lies and corrupt actions - is a political matter.... :confused:

Oh, and good morning Stu.:)

[lazeyjack]

i Knew you would be on the case too, I,ve been explaining to my boys for years , how Howard creates a climate of fear, and by doing so manages to push through bills that can be labelled, at best KEEP THE PEOPLE tied down, the amount of law passed here since the start of the War, it is like a creeping insidious mass of writhing red taped tenticles People here are loosing their freedom, rapidly and they are too stupid to know this, TOOOOOOO late
good morning Max

[lazeyjack]

I resent George Bush being grouped together with Howard and Mugabe! It's not fair to either of them!

ah a man with asense of humour.
it is quite amazin' to get to know various personalities via this forum, several letter bombs are in the mail, whoops, the anti terror, thought police will be on me door any min
two legs good four legs better

[Bergalia]

Small tip Stu - and any Aussies who might think of going to Sydney later this year to 'protest' at the Bush and Co visit. The Aus police, Special Branch and the 80 odd 'bodyguards' our President will bring are all licensed to shoot on sight anyone who makes a 'suspicious' move - or has a beard and olive skin(I've already warned my wife to stay clear).
Should any 'innocent' civilian be shot by mistake (as in the UK underground episode) - NO court action will follow. An open-ended 'impunity' has been given by our PM in advance.

[lazeyjack]

Small tip Stu - and any Aussies who might think of going to Sydney later this year to 'protest' at the Bush and Co visit. The Aus police, Special Branch and the 80 odd 'bodyguards' our President will bring are all licensed to shoot on sight anyone who makes a 'suspicious' move - or has a beard and olive skin(I've already warned my wife to stay clear).
Should any 'innocent' civilian be shot by mistake (as in the UK underground episode) - NO court action will follow. An open-ended 'impunity' has been given by our PM in advance.

WHERE IS THAT VOMIT ICON, ACTUALLY i DO FEEL SICK WHEN i READ THAT

[Bergalia]

... several letter bombs are in the mail, whoops, the anti terror, thought police will be on me door any min

You realise Stu that anyone now following such a comment - and discussing your sudden disappearance is also liable to five years in the slammer under the Howard 'Anti-Sedition Laws', which I notice he's not spent a single cent on advertising in his Public Information series of multi-million dollar campaign...
Arrrgggghhhhh - Special Branch has just smashed through my doorrrrrrrrr

[Bergalia]

.....Sit on his head...that's it. Knee the bastard's balls and while you're at it stick this false beard on him...that's better. Now tuck this pistol in his hand...Good. Did you get a photograph...right. Now then how does this forum thing work...
(fingers fumble at keyboard)
Right you lot out there. We know who you are and where you live...and we're coming round to shoot you for suspicious behaviour (men of your age playing about in boats...obviously planning to import all those nasty illegals...)
Just stay in your kitchen Wilma - you'll be OK. Right lads...this Lazeyjack's first on the list....:(

[lazeyjack]

.....Sit on his head...that's it. Knee the bastard's balls and while you're at it stick this false beard on him...that's better. Now tuck this pistol in his hand...Good. Did you get a photograph...right. Now then how does this forum thing work...
(fingers fumble at keyboard)
Right you lot out there. We know who you are and where you live...and we're coming round to shoot you for suspicious behaviour (men of your age playing about in boats...obviously planning to import all those nasty illegals...)
Just stay in your kitchen Wilma - you'll be OK. Right lads...this Lazeyjack's first on the list....:(

think I may go into that other thread borrow an 105 Howardser offn that bloke with the viloin

[timgoz]

And we are suppossed to live in the civilized world.

Tim

[Bergalia]

And we are suppossed to live in the civilized world.Tim

Trouble is Tim, politicians don't share the same planet.....:mad:

[timgoz]

Over here it seems, at least to me, that they want to eliminate the middle class. It will be them (rich & few), and us (poor, numerous, and dependent on "them").

Won't be able to afford a boat (thats for Jeff).

Take care Berg & Lazey.

Tim

[marshmat]

After reading this, Canadian politics seems almost civilized.

[lazeyjack]

After reading this, Canadian politics seems almost civilized.

you should listen in to our parliament, it's likes feeding time down at the pigsty

[bowfin]

What a joke -"Amnesty secretary-general Irene Khan says the fear generated by leaders such as Mr Howard thrives on myopic and cowardly leadership.

Ms Khan included Mr Howard with Mr Mugabe, US President George Bush and Sudan's President Omar Al-Bashir in the same scathing paragraph in her foreword to the group's annual report published today"

Amnesty International can only exist in countries like Australia and the US. God Bless John Howard and George Bush for defending civilization against the savages. Thanks from this North Carolinian for you Aussies who have stuck with the side of good over evil.

For those of you that are like our democrat traitors, you can kiss my ass.

[alan white]

Amen! God bless America, and God bless our president and folks around the world like him, who stand for freedom, at what ever the cost!
I say, you don't appreciate this country, and all of its blessings, or your own country, and the blessings its got, or the blessings of other countries you don't live in but you agree with the leader of, or even countries you don't like, that are under our rule, which means they are blessed by our own leader, even if we don't agree with the people per se, but agree with what they would agree with if they lived here, and had Amnesty International to make fun of, or even disagree with disagreement of that because you can do that in a free country, even if that makes you a traitor, you are a free traitor, to come and go as you please, or to even rise to the highest office in the land and disagree with the majority, who are too lazy and self-interested to get off their fat duffs and fight for what they take for granted, regardless of the price, who wouldn't know a hard day's work if it was biting them in the ass, which is what you can kiss by the way, any time and anywhere, I'm waiting and Mr, Smith and Mr, Wesson are waiting too, if you know what I mean, just in case you think it's gonna be easy to discuss politics with this red-blooded freedom fighter!

Amen, and God save us.

[Bergalia]

Possibly true...but have they read 'Nineteen Eighty-Four...';)

[lazeyjack]

Amen! God bless America, and God bless our president and folks around the world like him, who stand for freedom, at what ever the cost!
I say, you don't appreciate this country, and all of its blessings, or your own country, and the blessings its got, or the blessings of other countries you don't live in but you agree with the leader of, or even countries you don't like, that are under our rule, which means they are blessed by our own leader, even if we don't agree with the people per se, but agree with what they would agree with if they lived here, and had Amnesty International to make fun of, or even disagree with disagreement of that because you can do that in a free country, even if that makes you a traitor, you are a free traitor, to come and go as you please, or to even rise to the highest office in the land and disagree with the majority, who are too lazy and self-interested to get off their fat duffs and fight for what they take for granted, regardless of the price, who wouldn't know a hard day's work if it was biting them in the ass, which is what you can kiss by the way, any time and anywhere, I'm waiting and Mr, Smith and Mr, Wesson are waiting too, if you know what I mean, just in case you think it's gonna be easy to discuss politics with this red-blooded freedom fighter!

Amen, and God save us.

possibly God may save you but I have my doubts, do you know that you make up 3% of the worlds population, you try control 70& and in all honestly 85 % as no respect for you. So could it be that you a re doing something wrong?
For a supposedley intelligent man, you say some weird things, Praise thr Lord and pass the ammo, I was going to stay away from this, but do you realise that your fearless leader fueled the fire of terrorism and made the world a place that can no longer be travelled I say this because I have been 50 countries, I wonder how many have you seen, and if you have any idea of the truth out there?

[alan white]

Yes, I have an idea. You have my whole-hearted agreement. Now read it again and have a good laugh.
It is an interesting fact that in reading a comment, the first sentence is read most carefully. The second is read a bit faster. By the time one gets to the last paragraph, only key words are read---- "yeah, yeah, okay, thought so, ready to respond, same, same, DONE!"
I do the same. It was just an experiment gone haywire. I apologize for throwing you.

A.

[lazeyjack]

Yes, I have an idea. You have my whole-hearted agreement. Now read it again and have a good laugh.
It is an interesting fact that in reading a comment, the first sentence is read most carefully. The second is read a bit faster. By the time one gets to the last paragraph, only key words are read---- "yeah, yeah, okay, thought so, ready to respond, same, same, DONE!"
I do the same. It was just an experiment gone haywire. I apologize for throwing you.

A.
possible true I tired. also i,m tired of the maniacs that ere making out once beautiful planet a shambles,
Stop all wars watch the USA Economy crash Fact eh? when people going to wake up? never and that is why the "Crazies " stay in power, cos the majority are so thick thay cant work it out. Good niight:))

[MarkC]

Bergalia - why don't you return to the UK? The UK health-care system has been fixed, the education system is getting better every year, the economy is good. Most of what Thatcher wrecked is fixed and the good bits her government did are still in place.

Or you could stay in Australia, with its great economy, its lowest unemployment in 40 years, its health system that works perfectly (and is marvelled by Germany), its education system (also marvelled by Germany), its superanuation system (yep, also marvelled by Germany) - one billion dollars a year go into superannuation, its professional military that is second to none, its fairly regulated immigration system, its compulsory voting system, its buget surplus, its stable government etc. etc. etc.

[Bergalia]

Or you could stay in Australia, with its great economy, its lowest unemployment in 40 years, its health system that works perfectly (and is marvelled by Germany), its education system (also marvelled by Germany), its superanuation system (yep, also marvelled by Germany) - one billion dollars a year go into superannuation, its professional military that is second to none, its fairly regulated immigration system, its compulsory voting system, its buget surplus, its stable government etc. etc. etc.

Hi Mark. What you smoking these days.....:)

[MarkC]

Smoking? cough..

locally grown tabacco from the Pfalz (20km from here). A bit rough though.

[Bergalia]

locally grown tabacco from the Pfalz (20km from here). A bit rough though.
Bad for you, young feller...stunt your growth...you'll end up voting Liberal...
Did a short stint ashore in Bonn, Bad Godesberg actually, as Naval Liaison Officer with the British Embassy in Friedrich Ebert Allee when Bonn was the 'capital'. Lousy pipe tobacco - tasted like drinking chocolate - but great cigars. And the odd thing I noticed, although 'metrified' they sold cigarettes in packs of six and twelve...Now how do you explain that.:(

[MarkC]

or how do you explain public cigarette vending machines - one on every block - 12 year old buy them. A packet costs approx 3 to 4 euero - less than half the price of australian ciggies.

Yes, not everything is perfect here, nor in the UK, nor in Australia.

I do vote liberal - I was a labor voter (never again) and have voted green and democrat. I dont want a wishy-washy government any more. I dont want a government that says no when they mean yes, or maybe or? Labor cant handle an ecomomy to save their life and that means no jobs, no new businesses, no investment, no money and a huge buget deficit. I dont want to go through that again. I dont complain about the politics of Germany (they still have remnants of that 'labor-socialist' govt. with its problems). I can complain about Australian politics because that is my citizenship (birth) and that is where I vote.

When people complain about the Australian liberal(ish) government, I only have to remember back to the 1980s and 90s. I dont want anyone to go through that again. As far as I'm concerned the ties with the USA, the refugee issue, is only a side-show.

[Poida]

G'day Mark

Australia's unemplyment is only because nobody wants to come here. The company I work for has advertised for tradesmen overseas but with no response.

Why don't they want to come?

They see Howard on TV, and think the rest of us are the same.

Look at Bergalia's photo, so good looking he could be a filmstar.

Why not make Bergalia Prime Minister lazyjack could be the leader of the opposition.

Better than the Jon Boat versus the Rudder.

Poida

[PI Design]

Australia's unemplyment is only because nobody wants to come here.
Poida

Are you kidding? EVERYBODY wants to move to sunny Aus. Don't know too much about your PM, but he won't be around forever.
PS A bit suprised that Blair got away without comment from Amnesty International.

[MarkC]

Why dont they want to come? Answer - low(er) wages, distance from family and friends, language difficulties, differences in schooling systems (especially kindergarten and junior schools that are not up to the standard of european schools) and also very slowly recovering European economies Ireland, UK, Germany.

Germans often point out to me how easy it is to start a business in Australia, to buy a house, to have free time.

[timgoz]

I'd consider moving to OZ if I knew for sure Nicole Kidman was in country.

Talk about a looker :)

Tim

[Frosty]

I would strongly suggest you visit Australia before you make your mind up.

If cheap cigarettes is all you require then perhaps Panama or Burma.

Australia is in a seroius psycological mess about working and what it is for. Whilst it is almost impossible to sack anyone, absenteeism is a big big problem in Aus.

A socilistic attitude, remnant of the 60's of English labour party policies,

I was going to live there but no.

Only 20 million people ---- not enough to pay the taxes required.

If you think shops---and everything else-- should close at 3.55 on sat afternoon untill 9 am on monday, then Aus is the place for you.

[timgoz]

Come on Jack, you know the Pubs gotta be open weekends.

Tim

[PI Design]

I take NZ is even worse then?

Incidentaly, I've just survived three days in Glasgow. My goodness, they're an ugly bunch.

[alan white]

possible true I tired. also i,m tired of the maniacs that ere making out once beautiful planet a shambles,
Stop all wars watch the USA Economy crash Fact eh? when people going to wake up? never and that is why the "Crazies " stay in power, cos the majority are so thick thay cant work it out. Good niight:))

There are economies and there are economies. Except for the dustbowl, a lot of farmers in the depression barely noticed there was a problem. My mother's family moved up into the woods and lived off the land. She said they'd never lived so well.
Societies generally develop in fits and starts. Easy lliving makes people incautious, the sharks set themselves up, it goes too far, people get blasted back in the direction of the stone age, wake up, use their heads, tar and feather the sharks, build things back again, re-attain the good life, get lazy, ad infinitum.
George Bush epitomizes the sonambulistic stage. That stage is characterized by incomplete thought, lack of perspective, godless godliness, hypocrisy, etc..
Bush is incapable of lying because he is certain he's not. He simply rose to the top because he spoke to the incomplete ideas and beliefs of a large number of people. The masses eventually got to the point where the only voice they could hear was the one that spoke to their own limited ideas.
A large enough portion of the population reached a point just short of sociopathy. At a critical point in a democracy, that portion reaches over 50% and elects a president or leader who then pits the most incomplete thinkers against the rest.
Social democracies tend to even out the highs and lows of this dynamic over time by taxation. Neither way is that good. The American system is more chaotic, leading to more highs and lows. Right now it is eating its young.
The young who survive are the ones who will save the country.
My daughter, for some reason, embodies the ideals of the small percentage of young who barely escaped being consumed in this process. She never found herself in following the system. A lot of kids just kill themselves or give in, become walking zombies and druggies. A very few make it, but if they do they seek out meaningful enterprises like my kid did, volunteering in New Orleans and quickly rising within an entirely different kind of system that has no room for petty ideals and hypocrisy. Other kids I know joined the Peace Corps for the same reasons.
The system will fix itself, at great cost to many people, especially the most short-sighted but also a lot of people who were beaten too hard because they were at the end opposite the predators.
I have no use for politics, which is just games people play. I'm at the sit-on-the-porch-and-watch-the-fireworks stage, with the backup escape plan already in process.

Alan

[Wynand N]

poor Zimbabwe....

[lazeyjack]

I would strongly suggest you visit Australia before you make your mind up.

If cheap cigarettes is all you require then perhaps Panama or Burma.

Australia is in a seroius psycological mess about working and what it is for. Whilst it is almost impossible to sack anyone, absenteeism is a big big problem in Aus.

A socilistic attitude, remnant of the 60's of English labour party policies,

I was going to live there but no.

Only 20 million people ---- not enough to pay the taxes required.

If you think shops---and everything else-- should close at 3.55 on sat afternoon untill 9 am on monday, then Aus is the place for you.

har!! the big miners make the place tick,BHP RIO, the rest drink tinnies of the foulest beer

[lazeyjack]

or how do you explain public cigarette vending machines - one on every block - 12 year old buy them. A packet costs approx 3 to 4 euero - less than half the price of australian ciggies.

Yes, not everything is perfect here, nor in the UK, nor in Australia.

I do vote liberal - I was a labor voter (never again) and have voted green and democrat. I dont want a wishy-washy government any more. I dont want a government that says no when they mean yes, or maybe or? Labor cant handle an ecomomy to save their life and that means no jobs, no new businesses, no investment, no money and a huge buget deficit. I dont want to go through that again. I dont complain about the politics of Germany (they still have remnants of that 'labor-socialist' govt. with its problems). I can complain about Australian politics because that is my citizenship (birth) and that is where I vote.


When people complain about the Australian liberal(ish) government, I only have to remember back to the 1980s and 90s. I dont want anyone to go through that again. As far as I'm concerned the ties with the USA, the refugee issue, is only a side-show.
OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM!! Mark, I do not know one child that leaves school able to speak a foreign language I have 2 boys 17 20, they know zilch, I spend lots of time in MUCH near Koln, I am always knocked over by the work ethic and ability of your kids and most are fluent in English, old saying believe half of what you see nothing of what you hear, but Iyou can believe all of what I tell you:))

[lazeyjack]

Bergalia - why don't you return to the UK? The UK health-care system has been fixed, the education system is getting better every year, the economy is good. Most of what Thatcher wrecked is fixed and the good bits her government did are still in place.

Or you could stay in Australia, with its great economy, its lowest unemployment in 40 years, its health system that works perfectly (and is marvelled by Germany), its education system (also marvelled by Germany), its superanuation system (yep, also marvelled by Germany) - one billion dollars a year go into superannuation, its professional military that is second to none, its fairly regulated immigration system, its compulsory voting system, its buget surplus, its stable government etc. etc. etc.
the UK?
It is a filthy tip, a dump, disgusting
Australia is a bit like germany, it's clean

[alan white]

OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM!! Mark, I do not know one child that leaves school able to speak a foreign language I have 2 boys 17 20, they know zilch, I spend lots of time in MUCH near Koln, I am always knocked over by the work ethic and ability of your kids and most are fluent in English, old saying believe half of what you see nothing of what you hear, but Iyou can believe all of what I tell you:))

I lived once in Rodenkirchen, went to school in Bad Gotesberg. Long ago. I often wonder what it's like now. I saw Adenaur's funeral barge pass on the Rhine, used to spend whole days wandering Koln by myself at age eleven. Even had a German girlriend, we'd go up into the Cathedral glockenspiel and make out. Good old days.

A.

[lazeyjack]

I lived once in Rodenkirchen, went to school in Bad Gotesberg. Long ago. I often wonder what it's like now. I saw Adenaur's funeral barge pass on the Rhine, used to spend whole days wandering Koln by myself at age eleven. Even had a German girlriend, we'd go up into the Cathedral glockenspiel and make out. Good old days.

A.
really Alan
I counted the steps up there, I love watching the barges upon that river Rhine, what a life, but I was not at all smitten with Koln or De. because the crowds, the clogged roads Now Fr. wonderful country

[alan white]

Five hundred steps or so, counted them too. Back in '66, Koln was the place to be. For 40 phennig, a dime, you could ride the streetcars all day. I'd get lost and there was always something of interest to see. Now, I don't know. Like here, it isn't the same, I'm sure.
France, huh?

[lazeyjack]

Five hundred steps or so, counted them too. Back in '66, Koln was the place to be. For 40 phennig, a dime, you could ride the streetcars all day. I'd get lost and there was always something of interest to see. Now, I don't know. Like here, it isn't the same, I'm sure.
France, huh?
yes 500 and they are abt 190mm, rise, yeppers France, take a look at www.homexchange.com, swap a place its fun

[lazeyjack]

today our pm was outraged at the labelling
Said we had a fair and great human rights record
for all you alians, the indiginous peoples of Aust were not allowed to vote until the 60,s, they were paid in tobacco and salt, they had their children sent away to the cities and the kids were lost forever, we have a shameful past
My kids come home rubbishing Abos, and yet they never met one , ever, now where did they get that from? the parents of their mates,good thing I,m here to put em right, they have a very tolerant dad eh:))

[alan white]

yes 500 and they are abt 190mm, rise, yeppers France, take a look at www.homexchange.com, swap a place its fun


Hmmmm. A chateau in exchange for my house. I'll check it out. Thanks.

[Frosty]

[QUOTE=MarkC;142118]Bergalia - why don't you return to the UK? The UK health-care system has been fixed, the education system is getting better every year, the economy is good. Most of what Thatcher wrecked is fixed and the good bits her government did are still in place.
/QUOTE]


This is not correct, the health system is far fron fixed and I have a feeling it never will be because they dont know how to.

To all british passport holders.

Here is a tip, go to Australia and make out that what ever is wrong with you has just happened whilst you were there.

You will get free medical care --and go straight to the front of the que.


Personall I dont bother I go private which I have to do in Uk any way. I dont intend to wait 6 month to see a doct---quack.

Royal prince Albert in Sydney is the place to go for private health care 1/3 of Uk prices and the carpet is twice as thick.

They also call you sir---a lot.

Thailand is pretty good too. Ive never ever seen such clean hospitals as Thailand. They are like 5 star hotels.

And when you check in the assistant stands on the same side of the counter as you do . You do not speak through bullet proof glass as you would in UK.

Then --and this is the best bit they asign a young girl in a mini skirt to walk you to the place you need to go carrying your records.

Thai hospitals are fun. I make stuff up just to go. I say I have itchy testicles or something.

[Bergalia]

I'd consider moving to OZ if I knew for sure Nicole Kidman was in country.
Tim


Oddly Tim she's bought a house for her mum - not ten kilometres from mine. When she's in the country we often see her in the local town (Batemans Bay - or Moruya). Trust me - close up without a soft focus lens...she's fairly average... :(

Mark - our low 'unemployment' is because if you work for just one (rpt 1) hour a week Government statisically speaking - you are employed. The true statistic - if you can believe such things - of the unemployment rate in Australia as an whole is 22 percent - 18percent of those in rural areas uand aged under 20. The 'national debt' equals that of the USA - we rank second to that nation in going broke within five years. And don't get me started on the new 'Sedition Laws' which although rushed through parliament have not yet been explained to the public. It seems that sedition is what ever our man Ruddock (lately of 'buy a visa') deems them to be...and only after you've done them.:(

[lazeyjack]

[QUOTE=MarkC;142118]Bergalia - why don't you return to the UK? The UK health-care system has been fixed, the education system is getting better every year, the economy is good. Most of what Thatcher wrecked is fixed and the good bits her government did are still in place.
/QUOTE]


This is not correct, the health system is far fron fixed and I have a feeling it never will be because they dont know how to.

To all british passport holders.

Here is a tip, go to Australia and make out that what ever is wrong with you has just happened whilst you were there.

You will get free medical care --and go straight to the front of the que.


Personall I dont bother I go private which I have to do in Uk any way. I dont intend to wait 6 month to see a doct---quack.

Royal prince Albert in Sydney is the place to go for private health care 1/3 of Uk prices and the carpet is twice as thick.

They also call you sir---a lot.

Thailand is pretty good too. Ive never ever seen such clean hospitals as Thailand. They are like 5 star hotels.

And when you check in the assistant stands on the same side of the counter as you do . You do not speak through bullet proof glass as you would in UK.

Then --and this is the best bit they asign a young girl in a mini skirt to walk you to the place you need to go carrying your records.

Thai hospitals are fun. I make stuff up just to go. I say I have itchy testicles or something.

I,ll tell you something for Zilch, nothing makes me madder than seeing young thai girls with middle aged and older, men,yanks, Aussies, Blacks the whole bit, they should lock the bastards up
When I was passin through last time, A (GIRL) approched me, , at first I was baffled til,I relaised she was on the game, she was 35, I took her to one side, gave her a big talk,told her not to waste her life
If you are one of these men, prey don;t come near me, I will beat the craP outta you, and I,m not joking, But then I know youa re not one of THEM :))

[alan white]

Jack, are the nurses topless? A friend asked me to ask you. He has the same thing you do.

[westlawn5554X]

itchy testicles or something?... try Amoxcillin or sumeting stronger... you could always burn it wit a torch for a flavour...:D rare old man dieses... I may be wrong:)

[Bergalia]

itchy testicles or something?...


Off subject here Jeff...Jeff, off subject. No mention of boats or seamen..:P

[Frosty]

lazy --you are definately living in the right place.

My mate is 55 he has married a sweat little bunny of 19. She is just adorable. He said to me "does she look yound I feel a bit embarrased"

I said well it might look better if she didnt wear bunny rabbit T shirts.

She is 24 now and theve had a kid . she runs the company and gives him **** every day. The smartest little cookie on the planet. Still adorable, oh oh and now she wears glasses OOhhhhh.

He has prostate trouble and cant do her. I--I mean-- I could help him out if he asked.

No the girls are'nt topless they wear smart grey suits.
The doctors are topless though.

psssstt dont tell Lazy,-- hell go nuts---jealous I suppose.

He'll beat the crap out of me!!!!

[lazeyjack]

lazy --you are definately living in the right place.

My mate is 55 he has married a sweat little bunny of 19. She is just adorable. He said to me "does she look yound I feel a bit embarrased"

I said well it might look better if she didnt wear bunny rabbit T shirts.

She is 24 now and theve had a kid . she runs the company and gives him **** every day. The smartest little cookie on the planet. Still adorable, oh oh and now she wears glasses OOhhhhh.

He has prostate trouble and cant do her. I--I mean-- I could help him out if he asked.

No the girls are'nt topless they wear smart grey suits.
The doctors are topless though.

psssstt dont tell Lazy,-- hell go nuts---jealous I suppose.

He'll beat the crap out of me!!!!
read my post Frosty, I prefer woman to girls,
saying in Siberia, a frost aint a frost til its 40 below and a woman aint a woman til she s 40 Jealousy is an emotion reserved for the immature, it has no place in a MANS life

[Frosty]

Sorry lazy Im not with you.

Not keen on sweaty hairy arm pits, cellulite,domination,1/4inch layer of make up. And the capability of consuming 8 gin and tonics per hour, and 10 bags of peanuts.

[westlawn5554X]

Not keen on sweaty hairy arm pits, cellulite,domination,1/4inch layer of make up. And the capability of consuming 8 gin and tonics per hour, and 10 bags of peanuts.

Sooo... Lazy look like phat? good grief...:)

[westlawn5554X]

Off subject here Jeff...Jeff, off subject. No mention of boats or seamen..:P

Now that is in the thread of open disgustion... I think it is allowed...?:D

[hansp77]

So... errrhhmm...
another federal election coming around.

'Democracy' is such a strange thing really.
I mean apart from marching in protests, signing petitions and spending effort in other such pointless excercises to steer our country away from the paths it has taken of late and continues to map for the future... that moment of voting in the federal election is the one largest moment I have to actually contribute to the path my country takes politically for the next three years.
But really, how much is my vote worth?
Well, when one lives in such a 'blue-ribbon' seat as I do, graced with none other than the spineless 'all tip no iceberg' PM in waiting Peter Costello... frankly it seems that my vote is worth squat.

How much is your vote worth?
Do you live in a swinging seat? (of the voting kind, not the keys in the punchbowl:p )
Isn't it strange how the future of a nation comes down the whim's and fancies of portion of people from maybe a dozen electorates who may very well make up their decision on how to vote watching telly the night before or sitting at breakfast on election day reading the newspaper (if they get that far) .

It kills me. I hate our government. I feel sick.:(
Gnight.

[lazeyjack]

Neville Shute had the right idea, up to 7 votes for people of extreme intellect, who had contributed well to the advancement of the nation, who were very talented, I mean to ask you, why should an AFL or rugby league player get even one vote? I mean Maaaaaaaaaaaaate, they are barely out of skins
And frosty how the hell would you know, you've never been to Russia, hairy armpits?, they are the most stunning females I have ever seen, they look like woman even at 70, nuff said
Still if you want to act like a file, go ahead

[Bergalia]

....I mean to ask you, why should an AFL or rugby league player get even one vote?

Why not Stu - using your criteria - they've got hairy armpits :D :D

[alan white]

It would be best to arrange the ballots to be the IQ test. Like this:

Please vote for one candidate

1) The one whose name rhymes with a variety of topaz found only in the Amazon region of South America.

2) The one who has a a tie having the same colors as are found on the flag of Mozambique.

3) The one whose wife bears a striking resemblance to an animal native to Madagascar that has a prehensile tail.

[lazeyjack]

It would be best to arrange the ballots to be the IQ test. Like this:

Please vote for one candidate

1) The one whose name rhymes with a variety of topaz found only in the Amazon region of South America.

2) The one who has a a tie having the same colors as are found on the flag of Mozambique.

3) The one whose wife bears a striking resemblance to an animal native to Madagascar that has a prehensile tail.

chuckle, now be serious boys

[Bergalia]

chuckle, now be serious boys

What do mean be serious ? That's exactly how I voted.... :mad:

[alan white]

Which wife looked like a penguin? That's what I want to know. I voted for the one who had the tie that was the same colors as Mohandu, or whatever it was called, cause people who wear ties are usually real smart.
That's my one-seventh of a cent.

[Bergalia]

Which wife looked like a penguin?

Penguin Alan...bugger. I voted for the candidate whose wife looked like a wombat (in fact she turned out to be a wombat) and what I thought was a tie of the requisite colours proved to be a particularly nasty form of venereal disease...But apart from that he seemed a nice bloke...and if he wants to dress as a a girl-guide at the weekends...well...we all have our foibles...look at Walrus..(on second thoughts. Don't) :)

[alan white]

What gets me is that it takes seven of me to be wrong, and one of them smart people to be right.
Don't laugh, girl-guides are hot. I mean the older ones, with the underarm hair, you know. Who are established and have jobs and belong to a church and so forth.
Not the others. Not them.

[Poida]

How can you be serious when all you can vote for is politicians?

[lazeyjack]

What gets me is that it takes seven of me to be wrong, and one of them smart people to be right.
Don't laugh, girl-guides are hot. I mean the older ones, with the underarm hair, you know. Who are established and have jobs and belong to a church and so forth.
Not the others. Not them.
drat I can see I,m going to have to point you in the right direction, not here though, would be shot, and dont let that frosty corrupt the place!!

[alan white]

drat I can see I,m going to have to point you in the right direction, not here though, would be shot, and dont let that frosty corrupt the place!!

No, Jack Frost is off my list. He's constantly chasing me from thread to thread attempting to correct me. I can't make stuff up fast enough.
Got the note under the door. I'll make a small effort. You'll see. The others are influencing me, but I'm trying. Really.

[Bergalia]

How can you be serious when all you can vote for is politicians?

Politicians ? Bugger - I read it as pelicans.....:(

[Poida]

Politicians are like pelicans, they introduce bills.
But I wish they were more like pelicans and get the sack.

Poida

[alan white]

Hahaha!

Back in Nixon's days, a deep throat got some polititions in trouble. A lot of fishy stuff came out when Nixon got the sack.

[hansp77]

Hahaha!
not so long ago in Clinton's days, I seem to remember a little trouble arising from another deepthroat.:D

[timgoz]

For the first time in 25 yrs. of voting I skipped our primaries. Everybody Sucks. Voted for Bush last time :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Why can't a real, hardworking Joe become President???

This is Memorial Day weekend here in the US. I've got something to be Thankful for. :)

Take care friends.

Tim

[Bergalia]

Just heard Eric Idle (Monty Python fame) singing the praises of the USA (his new home). Great country, he said. Medical science is so far advanced that they can replace hearts, livers, kidneys. Sew on amputated arms and legs...Trouble is they can't remove an arsehole from the Whitehouse...." :D

[alan white]

Too deep into crack until he found Jesus. Also, just before he began to fester, another adjacent organ had been tested by an intern which proved positive at the time but was later found to be negative.
Besides, doctors are confused because of his name. They're not sure it's his real name or he's just hiding behind it. I think he's a bum, but who'd listen to me?

[Bergalia]

I think he's a bum, but who'd listen to me?


Eh, what's that...sorry Alan, can you speak up.....:(

[alan white]

I told you it would eventually make you hard of hearing. We'll use hand signals. No wait, that won't work either. Nevermind.

[Bergalia]

... We'll use hand signals. No wait, that won't work either. Nevermind.

Sorry Alan... bit louder if you please...Are you waving or drowning....???:)

[Bergalia]

Ah the eloquence of the Australian working man. The Secretary of the Victoria Electrical Trades Union this week described our Prime Minister, John Howard as: "A mere skid mark on the bed sheets of history..."

Damn. I wish I'd said that.:D

[alan white]

May I borrow that remark? Not to plagerize, I will end it, "...underpants of the American government".

[Bergalia]

May I borrow that remark? Not to plagerize, I will end it, "...underpants of the American government".


Go ahead Alan - it's just too good to remain 'local'.:)

[lazeyjack]

well here's my own saying, you may borrow it
You can't make a sows ear from a sows arse

[alan white]

Thanks to all. I always ask permission on behalf of my country.

"John Howard is a mere skid mark on the bed sheets of history underpants of the American government".

By golly that felt satisfying.

[Willallison]

I know, I know - if you don't want to get into politics then you don't have to read the threads....
BUT - what a shame all of you good gentleman had to sully this place with such abject nonsense. For how can I ever take seriously the maritime opinions of such political fools.

[lazeyjack]

I know, I know - if you don't want to get into politics then you don't have to read the threads....
BUT - what a shame all of you good gentleman had to sully this place with such abject nonsense. For how can I ever take seriously the maritime opinions of such political fools.

well you see, that is your opine?
so you have a fixed opinion? Howard, you like him, you are entitled and we are entitled to see him how he really is
you are correct, we are good gentleman, and a gentleman can see through Howard
Upon the Whitbread racer of 78 and 82, the industrialist Conny Van Reichoven, banned political talk, it arouses deep emations, you have to be mature enuff to take aboard the opinions of others.
cheers

[lazeyjack]

I know, I know - if you don't want to get into politics then you don't have to read the threads....
BUT - what a shame all of you good gentleman had to sully this place with such abject nonsense. For how can I ever take seriously the maritime opinions of such political fools.

i do know the banter becomes rather inane, childish even, at this point I shut off
Some stuff is so low, I do not deign answer, not in this thread but elsewhere

[Frosty]

I know, I know - if you don't want to get into politics then you don't have to read the threads....
BUT - what a shame all of you good gentleman had to sully this place with such abject nonsense. For how can I ever take seriously the maritime opinions of such political fools.

This a shame, I have been expecting something like this.

Lazy said a good point that being able to talk about politics ,(death ,sex) without becoming agitated or even violent, shows strength of character and a confidence in one self to be able to take others opinions like a gentleman.

Those who can not or dare not because they themselves are unsure of thier own reactions are the ones to be discouraged.
How else can one handle the frustrating political climate of our world today taking into consideration our totall impotence at being able to do anything.

Seriously is not a healthy way.

Calling such gentlemen political fools is hardly appropriate.

[Poida]

I don't think you should make fun of John Howard.

1. He may not be good looking (Even his boss Bushy made a remark about that point)

2. He is trying to set the Australian worker back 100 years in working conditions. So what, he's a little old fashioned, heck I even played a Pat Boone song the other day it's good to re live the past a bit.

3. He's a gutless wimp, heck fighting is not everybodies cup of tea and I see nothing wrong with hiding behind George Bushes apron since his real mummy would have to be dead by now.

I think you should dwell on his good points.

Now go dwell and you only have yourself to blame if you can't find any. You should always look for the good in people not the bad.

I would like to give you some now but gotta run

ta ta

Poida

[lazeyjack]

actually Will I see where you are coming from, it's not the politics, but what followed. It is somewhat hard to control Bergs, Whitey and that seal, Walrus chappie, I apolegise, sans reserve!!

[alan white]

I just assumed Johm Howard was fair game by virtue of his support of Bush.
That's all the criteria we use over here to make fun af anyone. I thought this all went without saying.
I might be a fool, but what kind of fool would be the whipping boy of a fool?
An even bigger one, I think.
Making fun of these polititions is about the only thing us fools can do and still always be on the mark.
Allow us our moment in the sun, Will. I have relatives over in Iraq who may die because of the stupidity of the people who support cranks like Howard and Bush. Who is the fool?

[lazeyjack]

I just assumed Johm Howard was fair game by virtue of his support of Bush.
That's all the criteria we use over here to make fun af anyone. I thought this all went without saying.
I might be a fool, but what kind of fool would be the whipping boy of a fool?
An even bigger one, I think.
Making fun of these polititions is about the only thing us fools can do and still always be on the mark.
Allow us our moment in the sun, Will. I have relatives over in Iraq who may die because of the stupidity of the people who support cranks like Howard and Bush. Who is the fool?

Zakkly the 3 of em are DIRECTLY responsible for the loss of 100000,s lives,

[Bergalia]

...2. He is trying to set the Australian worker back 100 years in working conditions. So what, he's a little old fashioned, heck I even played a Pat Boone song the other day it's good to re live the past a bit.Poida

I have to spring to John Howard's defence here to stifle any hint that he'd accept the support of a man who plays Pat Boone records.....:mad:

And for Willallison - Accepted that in various threads members let loose with what you consider 'foolish things'. Humour, no matter how childish is a way of relieving tensions and deflating what might become ugly situations.
Not sure of your back ground, but from your 'tone' I assume you have had very little 'real' sea experience - trying to hold down a crew who are wet, cold, hungry, nervous and not far from 'mutiny'.
By the same token I suggest you examine the invaluable help, advice and experience these same 'childish' members have offered in threads elsewhere.:)

[longliner45]

hey not to go off topic,,but did you guys see where bill clinton and billery clinton was and are still involved with a co. from dubia that sells info on old people to tella marketers ,,with spacific instructions on how to take advantage of people with altshiemers and thier gullability?and people over 50 that hope for the best?,,,,a politition ,is someone who lives off the sweat of the working mans back ,,they aint worth nothing,none of them ,,,its time for a global change,,longliner

[lazeyjack]

hey not to go off topic,,but did you guys see where bill clinton and billery clinton was and are still involved with a co. from dubia that sells info on old people to tella marketers ,,with spacific instructions on how to take advantage of people with altshiemers and thier gullability?and people over 50 that hope for the best?,,,,a politition ,is someone who lives off the sweat of the working mans back ,,they aint worth nothing,none of them ,,,its time for a global change,,longliner

some believe he was behind the 9/11 thing, this is one evil man .we have here(we) I mean,have a person who has effected every person on this planet in some way
When Blair resigned, he said he would not have done things differently, Words fail me,

[lazeyjack]

I have to spring to John Howard's defence here to stifle any hint that he'd accept the support of a man who plays Pat Boone records.....:mad:

And for Willallison - Accepted that in various threads members let loose with what you consider 'foolish things'. Humour, no matter how childish is a way of relieving tensions and deflating what might become ugly situations.
Not sure of your back ground, but from your 'tone' I assume you have had very little 'real' sea experience - trying to hold down a crew who are wet, cold, hungry, nervous and not far from 'mutiny'.
By the same token I suggest you examine the invaluable help, advice and experience these same 'childish' members have offered in threads elsewhere.:)
well, you are right, some let off steam this way, others take a gun, and assasinate, sometimes it is so frustrating to have to sit and watch these pathetic excuses for humanity, and some light relief, goes a little towards holding ones sanity

[alan white]

Bill to impeach Bush came up today in our state congress, 11,000 petition signers. For "lack of time to spend on things other than pressing issues" the bill got squashed by the decision of one woman--- I'm currently uninformed about what exactly her authority was, setting agendas, something or other.
Is that all it takes to kill an impeachment bill?
Amazing.
Try again, I guess.

[longliner45]

liberal democrates,,,,buy the way they are calling the shots now ,,probably,should take another 30 day hicenda,,,,,,,,as the war draggs on

[alan white]

hey not to go off topic,,but did you guys see where bill clinton and billery clinton was and are still involved with a co. from dubia that sells info on old people to tella marketers ,,with spacific instructions on how to take advantage of people with altshiemers and thier gullability?and people over 50 that hope for the best?,,,,a politition ,is someone who lives off the sweat of the working mans back ,,they aint worth nothing,none of them ,,,its time for a global change,,longliner

This wouldn't surprise me. But then we (in effect) elected a president after Clinton whose family had done business with the Bin Laden family, whose choices for appointments include Cheney, who turned a 250 k stock investment in Halliburton into 8 million in one year---- after awarding them a no-bid contract. Wolfowitz, who just got fired from being head of the world bank, Gonzales, who corrupted the office of USA attorney general by firing non-Bushies, Rumsfeld, who I believe cannot enter Belgium without being arrested for crimes against humanity, Cheney's appointment, Scooter Libby, who is indicted for lying to a grand jury, "Brownie", our famous Katrina specialist, who managed to be the only person in the United States who was unaware of people starving in filth for days in New Orleans and who was subsequently fired a few days after Bush stated he was doing an exceptional job... I could go on, but bottom line is the whole damned government is corrupt and has been for a long time. They just finally realized they might as well do it openly, since the system would never punish the ones at the very top.

[longliner45]

im with ya alan

[longliner45]

one more thing,,,as for willallison,,,who was it that reported with vigor that bullmores mast was a shambles bla bla bla,,,,,,,and nothing was wrong at all but,, yet dont pay attention to so and so' opinion because of this and that ,,,,,,he who lives in glass houses should not throw stones,,longliner

[Willallison]

I promised myself that I'd make my point then say no more... but bugger it ... you've hooked me!

To suggest that Oz is in anything but terrific shape is foolishness. Effectively zero unemployment, low interest rates etc etc.
That is of course not to suggest that there couldn't be improvements - there always can be. But to suggest the degradation of societies values is the fault of a gentleman (in this instance I use the term correctly) who holds them so dearly borders on absurdity.
I dont agree with our involvement in Iraq - it is and was always going to be - this decades' Vietnam. Name a politician with whom you always agree. Once again I will be able to point to a political fool. These decisions are never black and white (though in Zimbabwe they most certainly are - but black vs white... indeed black vs black also).
Whicj brings me to the ridiculous statements made in this threads original post - that somehow Howard is akin to Mugabe. What utter crap - the wailings of the looney left whose very financial existence depends on being able to spout such garbage. Just lucky for them they dont live in Zimbabwe - or a hundred other similar places - or their verbal diaorhea would quicky be replaced by eternal silence.

Bergalia - my "real" sea time has zero to do with this topic - but since you want to bring it: no I've never served in the military (I assume that this is what you meant) I've had 40 years of "real" leasure time at sea. I've crossed Bass Strait 1/2 a dozen times and cruised from as far south as Pedra Branca (surely a 'real' seaman would have heard of such a place) to as far north as Noosa. Enjoyed every moment of too thank you very much - except of course for the odd occaision where I've nearly died - but then these experiences are only ever as a result of our own mistakes.
And when did I ever call any of you "childish"?

Jack - my apologies if you took my 'political fools' comment as some sort of insult - it wan not meant as such - to you or any others. Not anything else that I've posted. But you have to agree that for those who might disagree with your views that some of the postings here could be considered equally offensive - if not personally, then at least in the way they were expressed.

My objection is not to your views - indeed it doesn't really bother me that you're expressing them in a boat design forum, which ought to have very little to do with politics, surely. There has - inarguably - been a creep towards more and more political comment and personal insult and attack within the various pages of this fabulous place. It upsets me that as a result of this many highly respected and qualified contributors have chosen to leave. We are all a little poorer as a result.
There will always be a place for humour - but the least intelligent humour always comes at someone elses expense.

[longliner45]

austrailas unemployment rate is 20%,,per cnn,,,bbc and fox network.,,,U,S,A,,,8%

[lazeyjack]

I promised myself that I'd make my point then say no more... but bugger it ... you've hooked me!

To suggest that Oz is in anything but terrific shape is foolishness. Effectively zero unemployment, low interest rates etc etc.
That is of course not to suggest that there couldn't be improvements - there always can be. But to suggest the degradation of societies values is the fault of a gentleman (in this instance I use the term correctly) who holds them so dearly borders on absurdity.
I dont agree with our involvement in Iraq - it is and was always going to be - this decades' Vietnam. Name a politician with whom you always agree. Once again I will be able to point to a political fool. These decisions are never black and white (though in Zimbabwe they most certainly are - but black vs white... indeed black vs black also).
Whicj brings me to the ridiculous statements made in this threads original post - that somehow Howard is akin to Mugabe. What utter crap - the wailings of the looney left whose very financial existence depends on being able to spout such garbage. Just lucky for them they dont live in Zimbabwe - or a hundred other similar places - or their verbal diaorhea would quicky be replaced by eternal silence.

Bergalia - my "real" sea time has zero to do with this topic - but since you want to bring it: no I've never served in the military (I assume that this is what you meant) I've had 40 years of "real" leasure time at sea. I've crossed Bass Strait 1/2 a dozen times and cruised from as far south as Pedra Branca (surely a 'real' seaman would have heard of such a place) to as far north as Noosa. Enjoyed every moment of too thank you very much - except of course for the odd occaision where I've nearly died - but then these experiences are only ever as a result of our own mistakes.
And when did I ever call any of you "childish"?

Jack - my apologies if you took my 'political fools' comment as some sort of insult - it wan not meant as such - to you or any others. Not anything else that I've posted. But you have to agree that for those who might disagree with your views that some of the postings here could be considered equally offensive - if not personally, then at least in the way they were expressed.

My objection is not to your views - indeed it doesn't really bother me that you're expressing them in a boat design forum, which ought to have very little to do with politics, surely. There has - inarguably - been a creep towards more and more political comment and personal insult and attack within the various pages of this fabulous place. It upsets me that as a result of this many highly respected and qualified contributors have chosen to leave. We are all a little poorer as a result.
There will always be a place for humour - but the least intelligent humour always comes at someone elses expense.

Wiil
you know our wealth is created easily by a few huge conglomarates.
the rest are in the main hangers on. If you took out all those people making rules and regs in this place, unemployent would be 50% or more

It Au has the most archaic financial structure in the civilized world, stamp duty, cap gains tax, , every single thing one does is monitored and heavily regulated We are not free, we only think we are
howard, IS aliar and a murderer whether you like it or not, albeit legalised murder
Last month I bought in money from cashed up equitys , that I had owned for 20 years. The federal government slapped a cap gains tax upon me, even though I was not even resident here for 15 of those years
In the past 12 months I have driven 40000km in eu and east eu, trying to find somewhere to be free of all this crap, finding is quite easy witha eu passport, finding affordable on the coast is not
This thread I started in Open Discussion, which means, anything , any topic
People dont leave because of this, , for inst. I read few threads, i could wade in , but leave things that other less experienced people can answer, I hold in aw people from threads that are way beyond me technically
i learn from these people
Some people write absolute drivel, in the REAL :)) threads, but I dont leave becuz of it
now be a good sailor an have a bonjour!! It certainly sounds like you enjoy the sea, but how did you cross the Noosa bar, in that 80 footer of yours?

[Willallison]

austrailas unemployment rate is 20%,,per cnn,,,bbc and fox network.,,,U,S,A,,,8%

Oz's unemployement is around 4.7%
Yeah - yeah - I know - Lies, damn lies and statistics. But by the methods adopted worldwide to calculate these things, that's what it is. 100% employment - by the same methods - is considered to be about 4% I think.

[Willallison]

Wiil
you know our wealth is created easily by a few huge conglomarates.
the rest are in the main hangers on. If you took out all those people making rules and regs in this place, unemployent would be 50% or more

It Au has the most archaic financial structure in the civilized world, stamp duty, cap gains tax, , every single thing one does is monitored and heavily regulated We are not free, we only think we are
howard, IS aliar and a murderer whether you like it or not, albeit legalised murder
Last month I bought in money from cashed up equitys , that I had owned for 20 years. The federal government slapped a cap gains tax upon me, even though I was not even resident here for 15 of those years
In the past 12 months I have driven 40000km in eu and east eu, trying to find somewhere to be free of all this crap, finding is quite easy witha eu passport, finding affordable on the coast is not
This thread I started in Open Discussion, which means, anything , any topic
People dont leave because of this, , for inst. I read few threads, i could wade in , but leave things that other less experienced people can answer, I hold in aw people from threads that are way beyond me technically
i learn from these people
Some people write absolute drivel, in the REAL :)) threads, but I dont leave becuz of it
now be a good sailor an have a bonjour!! It certainly sounds like you enjoy the sea, but how did you cross the Noosa bar, in that 80 footer of yours?

For starters, capital gains tax was brought in by a labour government. But, I agree - our entire financial system could do with an overhaul. But do you honestly think that your average Jo would vote for a government that wanted to make that much of a change? Look at the GST - it replaced an enormous number of other hidden taxes - not the least of which was provisional tax ( they still managed to $#@%$* it up and make things more complicated mind you!).

If our financial system is the most archaic in the world, then why are we doing so much better (financially) as a nation than most others?

Go back to when the Open Topic page was started. There weren't posts about politics etc - it was still about boats. As I said though, I don't have a particular problem with threads like this - I don't have to read them, as I said. It's just a pity that we've seen the creep that I referred to before - off-topic, sometimes abusive, often rude and belittling posts that should have no place here. There are any number of places you can go vent your spleen about politics - why drag this place down by introducing them here?
And I'm not necessarily referring to you Jack...

[alan white]

Fools and creeps. No need for that, friend. Good bunch here.

[Willallison]

Fools and creeps. No need for that, friend. Good bunch here.

I never called anyone a creep!:D I Guess I did call them fools, sorry about that:( See what happens when you start talking politics instead of boast!;)

[alan white]

Hahaha! Yes, and I'll tell you what. Not enough people discuss politics around here in my area. I don't mean to sound high and mighty either. I like discussions that end on a good note, even if there's a lot of disagreement, that's all.
There was some famous guy--- Frank (italian name) who seems to have pissed nearly everyone off (I read some of those posts, McGregor owner, invented his own physics, it seemed). Is that who you were referring to?

[Willallison]

I try very hard not to refer to anyone in particular!

[Willallison]

Oh - and what is it that people hate so much about McGregors?

[lazeyjack]

Oh - and what is it that people hate so much about McGregors?

sigh, I would have thought you would know that we are doing well fiscullycos, we are diigging the bloody place up shipload by shilpoad and flogging it to the Chinese
yes the gst, Aussies are so thick:)) we had a sales tax of up to 27% , and averaging 24%, when gst was introduced, the sales tax was dropped, and gst kicked in at 10% , what did Joe do, went out the week before and spent up large at 24% whoops sorry I mentioned ship somewhere here Years down the track and Joe still does not comprehend GST(VAT) CALL IT what you will It is by far the fairest means of tax, but was made to complex in it's application

[Frosty]

Enjoying politics now Will---good init?

[alan white]

I know what happened, Will. You wrote:

"It's just a pity that we've seen the creep that I referred to before - off-topic, sometimes abusive, often rude and belittling posts that should have no place here."

You meant the creeping away from the topic. If you read it another way, it means something entirely different. No wonder you didn't understand what I was referring to.
And no, I was guessing you meant a guy who had a MacGregor, to identify who I meant, someone who left a while back, apparently, and who seemed to rub everyone the wrong way. Someone recently referred to his comments and I read them.

[westlawn5554X]

no comment

[charmc]

a politition ,is someone who lives off the sweat of the working mans back ,,they aint worth nothing,none of them ,,,its time for a global change,,longliner

Well said. The world needs leaders, and all we get is politicians.

[charmc]

no comment

Westlawn, you're a sniper. Not many comments, but the shots taken are pretty accurate. Something's going on between your ears, lad, good to see! :D

[Poida]

Willallison, you accuse people of being RUDE, ABUSIVE and BELITTLING

and then said people shouldn't do that here.

Your not a politician are you?

Poida

[westlawn5554X]

The only great politician I have known and love... because of him I love America...:)

[Bergalia]

... to suggest the degradation of societies values is the fault of a gentleman (in this instance I use the term correctly) who holds them so dearly borders on absurdity...

Bergalia - I've had 40 years of "real" leasure time at sea. I've crossed Bass Strait 1/2 a dozen times and cruised from as far south as Pedra Branca (surely a 'real' seaman would have heard of such a place) to as far north as Noosa.

Good response Willallison, except for two points which I must query: 'A gentleman - in this instance I use the term correctly...'

Surely no gentleman would be proven so blatant and consistent a liar....

And I am intrigued: You've cruised as far south as Pedra Blanca ? And as far north as Noosa ?

Whereabouts are you based to have travelled 'south' to Pedra Blanca - or is your Pedra Blanca a different Pedra Blanca to the one discovered and mapped by my fellow Scot, Captain James Horsburgh of East India Company and after whom the Horsburgh lighthouse is named ? The bird-**** covered rocks normally referred to as Pulau Batu Puteh ?
Or is your navigation,perhaps, slightly awry :(

[lazeyjack]

did you see the Sydney Morning Herald today Max

[Willallison]

Aw **** - I'm starting to enjoy myself here:eek:
But I did notice that one of you chaps whipped a few points off my rep for calling you political fools..... for which I once again apologise - personal snipes are always the end result of political discussion. But it also reinforces my point: if we so vehemently dissagree here, then all that is posted elsewhere will be sullied - I wonder if you will read my opinion on say stability and think - "oh that's that bloody Will who like Howard - he doesn't know what he's talking about"....?

Ok - Pedra Branca is located but 12nm due south of S.E Cape - the southernmost oint of mainland Tasmania. A particularly inhospitable, but quite spectacular rock that just up out of the Southern Ocean. Waves regularly wash over the 60 metre high outcrop - occaisionally washing the odd crazy kayaker off in the process.

I've crossed Noosa bar in a couple of boats - neither of them 80ft long! Both were trailer boats - indeed my cruising north of Brisbane has all been in trailer boats.

Poida - I'm not a politician - though I confess to having considered it - at least at a local level. But at the end of the day, it is a truly thankless task - just whitness the venom you guys have dished out. It's a job that is grossly underpaid.
The wonderful thing about living in a democracy is that not only can you say what you like (within reason) but evry citizen has the opportunity to stand to represent the people. If the boys and girls who run our lives (and nobody could argues that we aren't overgoverned!) are doing such an appalling job, why don't you lot put your hand up - you obviously feel you can do a better job of it....

[lazeyjack]

Aw **** - I'm starting to enjoy myself here:eek:
But I did notice that one of you chaps whipped a few points off my rep for calling you political fools..... for which I once again apologise - personal snipes are always the end result of political discussion. But it also reinforces my point: if we so vehemently dissagree here, then all that is posted elsewhere will be sullied - I wonder if you will read my opinion on say stability and think - "oh that's that bloody Will who like Howard - he doesn't know what he's talking about"....?

Ok - Pedra Branca is located but 12nm due south of S.E Cape - the southernmost oint of mainland Tasmania. A particularly inhospitable, but quite spectacular rock that just up out of the Southern Ocean. Waves regularly wash over the 60 metre high outcrop - occaisionally washing the odd crazy kayaker off in the process.

I've crossed Noosa bar in a couple of boats - neither of them 80ft long! Both were trailer boats - indeed my cruising north of Brisbane has all been in trailer boats.

Poida - I'm not a politician - though I confess to having considered it - at least at a local level. But at the end of the day, it is a truly thankless task - just whitness the venom you guys have dished out. It's a job that is grossly underpaid.
The wonderful thing about living in a democracy is that not only can you say what you like (within reason) but evry citizen has the opportunity to stand to represent the people. If the boys and girls who run our lives (and nobody could argues that we aren't overgoverned!) are doing such an appalling job, why don't you lot put your hand up - you obviously feel you can do a better job of it....

well i never took your points!! cos I lost points once for swearing and boy was I hopping mad, so , you joined the club,
But within reason, if I were to say I have a certain admiration for a man living somewhere in a cave, who never tells lies, would the Aust thought police be on my door? answer Yes!!

[alan white]

It doesn't work that way in my country, Will. You will note that most every congressman in the US congress is a millionaire.
The president is a multi-millionaire, the vice president is a multi-millionaire, and were before they used the office to get even richer.
The press who decide what we hear are millionaires, the anchor people who tell it are too.

With 50 million, I could run for president. That's what it takes on average. Kerry could run cause his wife was a billionaire. So could Ross Perot.
I'm sure it's not like that in Australia. But it's like that here. You've either got money, or you don't get elected.
Yes, you can raise it. Just get together a few million and you can pack a stadium.

[longliner45]

its not right for someone to take points from willy here ,,this is a open disscusion of local politics,,not technical boat building ,,and those who choose not to engage are more than wellcome ,not to engage,,it show lack of substance ..and manhood,,and such an ungentalmanly way to take points and not be known,,,if you are this wormy on the computer ,,you must be twice a snake in person,probably cant even look yourself in the mirror ,,,ask jack ,,I always sign my name ,,,,to everything ,,,longliner

[Willallison]

Having money in the 1st place makes it easier definitely I agree. But it's still possible to start at a local level, become recognisable as a public figure, then go raise the cash.
A little idealistic perhaps, but surely doable.....

[lazeyjack]

its not right for someone to take points from willy here ,,this is a open disscusion of local politics,,not technical boat building ,,and those who choose not to engage are more than wellcome ,not to engage,,it show lack of substance ..and manhood,,and such an ungentalmanly way to take points and not be known,,,if you are this wormy on the computer ,,you must be twice a snake in person,probably cant even look yourself in the mirror ,,,ask jack ,,I always sign my name ,,,,to everything ,,,longliner
yeppers Longliner will always tell me when he gives be such:)
I asked the admin why they did not scrap the neg stuff, cos all we really need is pos feedback for pos contributions, alas never go a reply,

[Frosty]

It might have been me!!

I dont know for sure I cant remember. I know I had had a few that night when I read wills first post.

I have this feeling It could have been. What was the message? does it sound like me.

EDIT I dont think it can be me because I just rested the pointer on wills rep points and I was able to give or take points therefore it cant have been me. I would have had to spread some before i could give or take more.

Disregard this message---- sorry

cant delete because someone might have read it.

[alan white]

Hahahaha! Jack, you are hilarious!

[charmc]

Gave you some points to offset, Will. That whole system needs to be changed.

As Alan said, Will, the system in the US is totally money driven. The best man or woman in the world will not get noticed unless he/she can raise a minimum of $50 million USD. That's just to be taken seriously. The winner will have spent well over $100 million USD this time. The big money comes with strings, and much of the voting public has been conditioned by the MTV cutaway and sound bite syndrome, plus the news wankers' desire to dramatize everything, to the point that a single word or phrase can make someone appear to be lying, disrespectful to some group, or virtually any image chosen by the TV producers. The news companies encourage polarization on issues and personalities, the "my guy is good, the other guy is evil" mentality, because it increases drama, which increases their ratings, which increases their advertizing revenue, etc.

The result is each candidate has an army of "handlers" who plan everything to be said to appeal to certain target groups without antagonizing anyone else. In truth, as our last two elections demonstrated, there isn't much real difference between the two major parties, and the country is pretty equally divided, so the elections have been very close, which means a few votes here or there can decide the outcome, so naturally there are accusations of foul play ...

If I sound discouraged, it's because I am. Just once I'd like to see someone with the courage to be a leader, and offer to do what's best for the country, without the party corruption. Be nice if that happens ... be nice if Sharon Stone asks me to co-star in her next movie ... probably equal chance. :(

[charmc]

EDIT I dont think it can be me because I just rested the pointer on wills rep points and I was able to give or take points therefore it cant have been me. I would have had to spread some before i could give or take more.

Disregard this message---- sorry

cant delete because someone might have read it.

Jack, you're showing more and more of your thoughtful and caring side, soon there will be a vacancy in the position of professional curmudgeon! :)

[alan white]

Well said, Charlie. Does the system have to completely fail in order to change? It would seem. See how insane it can get, and it's the stock market, fiat currency, banks and huge corporate conglomerates managing to push it to the limit one more day longer. The polititions are just their errand boys.
Unsustainable.

[lazeyjack]

Gave you some points to offset, Will. That whole system needs to be changed.

As Alan said, Will, the system in the US is totally money driven. The best man or woman in the world will not get noticed unless he/she can raise a minimum of $50 million USD. That's just to be taken seriously. The winner will have spent well over $100 million USD this time. The big money comes with strings, and much of the voting public has been conditioned by the MTV cutaway and sound bite syndrome, plus the news wankers' desire to dramatize everything, to the point that a single word or phrase can make someone appear to be lying, disrespectful to some group, or virtually any image chosen by the TV producers. The news companies encourage polarization on issues and personalities, the "my guy is good, the other guy is evil" mentality, because it increases drama, which increases their ratings, which increases their advertizing revenue, etc.

The result is each candidate has an army of "handlers" who plan everything to be said to appeal to certain target groups without antagonizing anyone else. In truth, as our last two elections demonstrated, there isn't much real difference between the two major parties, and the country is pretty equally divided, so the elections have been very close, which means a few votes here or there can decide the outcome, so naturally there are accusations of foul play ...

If I sound discouraged, it's because I am. Just once I'd like to see someone with the courage to be a leader, and offer to do what's best for the country, without the party corruption. Be nice if that happens ... be nice if Sharon Stone asks me to co-star in her next movie ... probably equal chance. :(
i think there should be a requirement for ALL candidates to be able to speak a foreign language or two, look at that dumbo, never ever been outside USA and he is president ever more important as we tackle the future, a leader who could speak Manderin and Russian, imagine what respect that would bring It never ever fails to amaze me, that you can invent all these wonderful things and have a leader like you do.

[charmc]

i think there should be a requirement for ALL candidates to be able to speak a foreign language or two, look at that dumbo, never ever been outside USA and he is president ever more important as we tackle the future, a leader who could speak Manderin and Russian, imagine what respect that would bring It never ever fails to amaze me, that you can invent all these wonderful things and have a leader like you do.

Stu,

If the typical voter gave 10% of the thought to his/her vote that the contributors to this forum give to their statements, the system might be different. We end up voting for the lesser bad choice rather than the best, and the vast majority of voters are single issue motivated or just vote in response to last minute feelings.

I'm not sure I'd codify multilingual competence, but I agree with your point. Voters get the leadership they tolerate, and we end up with candidates whose main talent is raising big money. I agree that any candidate for President should have demonstrated a firm grasp of international issues and the willingness and ability to evaluate the impact of American policy on other nations.

Not throwing sticks, but the problem seems to be endemic. More politicians than leaders everywhere. I'd like to believe we can change it without a catastrophic upheavel, but some days I fear Alan may be right. :mad:

[Frosty]

[QUOTE=lazeyjack;143957 look at that dumbo, never ever been outside USA and he is president [/QUOTE]

YES--Bloody amazing isnt it.

America loves razzle dazzle, fame and fortune, film stars, glamour.

They vote in film stars. Reagan-- jees he could hardly speak without Nancy at his side.

He was a cowboy in movies ???? what the?

Arnold Swartznigger Ok seems to be doing somthing, but still got there by being a film star.

Robo Cop Did the American public think that Arnold would help them because he was in the movie Robo Cop, and Rambo.

You know what I seriously think they do

I cant think of another country that chooses it leaders with such criteria.

You voted them in. Maybe not YOU but your next door neighbour did.

The way politicians are paraded in front of the media. These so called 'Stand off' interviews --face to face with thier most immediate opnonent.


To be able to do that with all the sphico involved takes a very special person, at acting, stage, public speaking. Not politics,--- well that is politics today.

Thats because thats what we the public wants to see.

Big rich people never want to be politicians. Bill gates,, Richard Branson!!

Cant do the public bit.

[alan white]

Gee, now I got you depressed! I'm no economist, but the wealth of this country has gravitated away from education-based technologies and towards a position-based economy.
The problem with this is that the rest of the world, China, India, Indonesia, etc., are moving towards technology-based economies. They sell their goods to us, we pay them because we still have position.
Then the dollar isn't the favored currency any more. Then they make a bigger share of the profits because they own the companies, not us.
Tariffs won't work because our money is becoming more worthless day by day.
Our corporations are offshore-based, pay no taxes, and still they won't be able to compete enough to keep their stock values up.
They can't compete with emerging third world corporations who have cut out the middleman.
In the last few years, I've seen old established American companies putting their marque on Chinese goods and selling them against their equals having obvious Chinese packaging.
So Sears sells Craftsman power tools, all made in China, made to appear like quality--- and the quality IS getting better. Milwaukee, Dewalt, all will go through this.
So who needs the pretense--- and when that's gone, the stock market begins its dive.

[lazeyjack]

Stu,

If the typical voter gave 10% of the thought to his/her vote that the contributors to this forum give to their statements, the system might be different. We end up voting for the lesser bad choice rather than the best, and the vast majority of voters are single issue motivated or just vote in response to last minute feelings.

I'm not sure I'd codify multilingual competence, but I agree with your point. Voters get the leadership they tolerate, and we end up with candidates whose main talent is raising big money. I agree that any candidate for President should have demonstrated a firm grasp of international issues and the willingness and ability to evaluate the impact of American policy on other nations.

Not throwing sticks, but the problem seems to be endemic. More politicians than leaders everywhere. I'd like to believe we can change it without a catastrophic upheavel, but some days I fear Alan may be right. :mad:

i think it is absolutely essential to be multi Lingual from now on it, you look at Blair, for all his(later ) faults, the bastard was educated and speaks French like a Parisien, this gave him a great deal of Kudos in Eu, , you look at Putin , he can't speak Eng. but he is a very very intelligent man, you can almost see him smirking at Bush these days the De chanceller has always spoken Eng and God knows what else
Anyways I go for Hilary, at least she may stop this advance of neo conservatism, GRRRRRRRRRR of stuff it, my next thread is on Celestial Nav

[Willallison]

Aww geez guys - you don't have to feel bad about my loss of points - I wasn't complaining about it - just making the point that political discussion so often leads to animosity - intentional or othwerwise.

And as for that crap about needing $ to get elected - I know it to be true, but hey, just coz you're rich don't mean you aint smart. The reverse is true also of course....

Just as an aside - well, sort of - since you guys don't like any of the current crop....got any suggestions about who to replace them with?
Apart from me, of course...;)

[Bergalia]

Aww geez guys - you don't have to feel bad about my loss of points....Just as an aside - well, sort of - since you guys don't like any of the current crop....got any suggestions about who to replace them with? Apart from me, of course...;)

Well I'll vote for you Will. Time we had some one up on the hill who knows about sailing. :)

And whoever took his points away, give 'em back...On top of that we should all contribute a couple of extra ones for staying firm on his convictions (even though he's wrong)....Can't have a man going to Canberra with only 153..... :)

[Frosty]

Im going out tonight guys. Friday is usually a big piss up day for me.

I should be rat arsed by 10pm Hash House Harriers!!! if your interested.

So watch your points!!!

I wish you could steel them instead of just deduct.

[lazeyjack]

Gee, now I got you depressed! I'm no economist, but the wealth of this country has gravitated away from education-based technologies and towards a position-based economy.
The problem with this is that the rest of the world, China, India, Indonesia, etc., are moving towards technology-based economies. They sell their goods to us, we pay them because we still have position.
Then the dollar isn't the favored currency any more. Then they make a bigger share of the profits because they own the companies, not us.
Tariffs won't work because our money is becoming more worthless day by day.
Our corporations are offshore-based, pay no taxes, and still they won't be able to compete enough to keep their stock values up.
They can't compete with emerging third world corporations who have cut out the middleman.
In the last few years, I've seen old established American companies putting their marque on Chinese goods and selling them against their equals having obvious Chinese packaging.
So Sears sells Craftsman power tools, all made in China, made to appear like quality--- and the quality IS getting better. Milwaukee, Dewalt, all will go through this.
So who needs the pretense--- and when that's gone, the stock market begins its dive.

good grief, you understand!! not being condesending in the least By 2014 the era of USA being a fiscal leader, will have gone, abt that time the baby boomers will have to have sold their stock cos that the law, and the market will flood, with no buyers. the Euro will become even more powerful, and the influence of China will be complete. Russian will again be a superpower now she is harnessing her unbelievable wealth of resources USA trys to hang on, by putting (anti) missile bases in Eastern Eu, we all know this is a ploy to get withing range of Ru and Ch, but thankfully the Eastern and Ru can see through this ploy
The best thing for USA is to stay home, mind its own business and then the world will enter into a peace WOTCH this space:))

[Bergalia]

....watch your points!!! I wish you could steel them....


What do you want steel points for Frosty...According to Walrus you're already on a bed of nails....:D

[Frosty]

We could vote you in Will but what have you done. Have you made any movies.

Youde make a good politician though, yesterday you didnt like us talking politics and today you want to be Prime minister.

[Bergalia]

.....WOTCH this space:))

And soon it will be cluttered with a display by that nutty duo - Bush/Howard's 'Star wars' fiasco....:(

[Frosty]

Is that my name now then--- Frosty?

I like it.

[Bergalia]

Is that my name now then--- Frosty? I like it.


Could make it 'Frosticles...' but you'd read like a cereal.....:)

[westlawn5554X]

Geez... sniper in the dark?... so willallison bro, nice to have you active in a thread again...

Cheers

[lazeyjack]

Im going out tonight guys. Friday is usually a big piss up day for me.

I should be rat arsed by 10pm Hash House Harriers!!! if your interested.

So watch your points!!!

I wish you could steel them instead of just deduct.

well Frosty, say hello to that 13 year old. buy her an ice cream from Uncle Stu

[Frosty]

well Frosty, say hello to that 13 year old. buy her an ice cream from Uncle Stu

Yeah lazy no probs ---oh oh what 13 year old?-- I dont know any 13 year olds.



lazy me ole mucker I think you have a strange distorted view of Thailand. I dont know what horrible embarrasing experience you have had but----

It really isnt like that, well if you went to look for it I suppose --bit like Kings Cross in Sydney. But youde have to look hard.

Ive never seen a prostitute -- what do they look like?

[Bergalia]

...Ive never seen a prostitute -- what do they look like?


Here's one. (Making allowances for your quirky spelling) Martin Luther, an early Protestant....

[Frosty]

I was hopping Lazy would have come back with threats of kicking the crap out of people that obuse young women.

Bangkok post Thursay 31 may.

25 year old Thai woman been granted compensation for being Kinapped and held in an illegal brothel in Australia.

This poor girl went to Australia with her parents to start a new life but almost immediately on her arrival was kidnapped and bound. She was just 13 years old and was told she owed 35000 dollars and had to sleep with men to pay it off.

Fortunately a random raid on the brothel revealed the poor girl in an upstairs room bound and gagged. She thought that she must have slepped with at least 100 men in that 10 days.

She now lives in Thailand with her Thai husband and 2 children.

Thais are a very gentle people and are often taken advantage of by foriegn filth.

So if lazy still feels like kicking some crap he dosent have far to go.

[alan white]

good grief, you understand!! not being condesending in the least By 2014 the era of USA being a fiscal leader, will have gone, abt that time the baby boomers will have to have sold their stock cos that the law, and the market will flood, with no buyers. the Euro will become even more powerful, and the influence of China will be complete. Russian will again be a superpower now she is harnessing her unbelievable wealth of resources USA trys to hang on, by putting (anti) missile bases in Eastern Eu, we all know this is a ploy to get withing range of Ru and Ch, but thankfully the Eastern and Ru can see through this ploy
The best thing for USA is to stay home, mind its own business and then the world will enter into a peace WOTCH this space:))

Fairly simple---- we've advanced third world countries as if by plan--- our dependance on creature comforts like oil and goods (we purchase their goods with money we borrow from THEM)----if this sounds like the old company store, it's gonna feel that way one day soon too.
Their own emerging consumer cultures will create a world market without us.
China needs oil, oil rich countries need cheap goods.
They have a long climb ahead to reach our standard of living, and that's scary too, since in a few years, they'll surpass our GNP, and that's way before they reach where we were back in 1955.
A bright candidate for president would do well to take a hit with our economy now by taxing oil and imports, and avoid a real catastrophe later.
We're too dependant now, in spite of our incredible resources and positioning.
Slow hurt is strengthening, fast hurt could well throw this country into very bad place.
There isn't much time to mend this either, but I don't see much happening. We had the crummy bad judgement to elect a president who thinks we can power our way out of this.
In 1955, we could. Today, it's clearly impossible.

[alan white]

Here's one. (Making allowances for your quirky spelling) Martin Luther, an early Protestant....

Sure. The origin of "loose woman" is from the Germanic "luth", an early proslythsizer. I'm talking the crack of dawn (beginning of the day).
Luther used a prosthetic to accomplish the deed.

[longliner45]

yup keep your boats readdy,,,,,,,theres gonna be an exoduse

[Bergalia]

Luther used a prosthetic to accomplish the deed.

That, and his diet of worms.....:)

[Frosty]

The Dow Jones rose to an all time high for the 26th time this year.

Similar rise throughout the west.!!!

Unemployment dropping in the USA.

Glad you guys arent my stock broker.

[alan white]

The Dow Jones rose to an all time high for the 26th time this year.

Similar rise throughout the west.!!!

Unemployment dropping in the USA.

Glad you guys arent my stock broker.

Sell! Buy seeds!

[Bergalia]

Sell! Buy seeds!


And worms.....

[Frosty]

You mean--He who buys seeds, succeed?

seeds suck.

[Bergalia]

You mean--He who buys seeds, succeed? seeds suck.


Thought we'd explained this before Frosty - It's a parrot without teeth which sucks seeds....

[Frosty]

I thought parrots eat -- polyfiller.

[Frosty]

Weekend again --jeeees the forum is slow on Sat sunday and even Mon as thats really late Sun for the Sepo's..

Isnt that a bit dissapointing and food for thought,!!!! that really most participants are here because they have nothing else better to do.

Probably unhappy at their work and just as unhappy with thier wages, they send silly information back and forth about seeds, worms n stuff, and what else ----Jeeees.

I suppose I have to wait till lunchtime Monday for some unhappy bored employee to reply,-----

Glad I dont employ you.

[alan white]

I'm like you, Jack. I work if I must, or when I can, but this forum is my life.
I don't even consider getting a job because I might miss out on something here.
Those "stiffies" whose lives revolve around a work or "life" schedule, well all I can say is, Get a life! Find a comfortable chair, get in front of your computor, and start living! Years from now, when it's all said and done, I don't want to have someone ask me, "Gramps, what did you do for all those years?", and have to answer, "I don't remember!".
I want to be able to say, "I don't remember, but I think it had to do with the sea, and boats, and the dangers of viruses, no matter what the weather!"
"Wow, Gramps! You really LIVED, didn't you?"
"Yes, I suppose you could say I did, matter of fact!"

[westlawn5554X]

Ok everybody time to have a bood letting, use the red ink and redecorate yur PC to show your youth passage... Mmmm sound like goat design Fo...

[lazeyjack]

I'm like you, Jack. I work if I must, or when I can, but this forum is my life.
I don't even consider getting a job because I might miss out on something here.
Those "stiffies" whose lives revolve around a work or "life" schedule, well all I can say is, Get a life! Find a comfortable chair, get in front of your computor, and start living! Years from now, when it's all said and done, I don't want to have someone ask me, "Gramps, what did you do for all those years?", and have to answer, "I don't remember!".
I want to be able to say, "I don't remember, but I think it had to do with the sea, and boats, and the dangers of viruses, no matter what the weather!"
"Wow, Gramps! You really LIVED, didn't you?"
"Yes, I suppose you could say I did, matter of fact!"
i can see you two live here, well sometimes it is easy to get into a rut, I am never here after 5pm, only during day
But online I have made some frinds now and in past, I always try translate thsi from Virtual to real, first by phone then actual visits There will be some, who will become long time friends I will go see em, but life is too short to live HERE!! If you do, you must try change this, guys, you only live once, and as saying goes, YOU A RE A LONG TIME DEAD!!

[lazeyjack]

instead of starting new thread why dont we post OUR PLACE here, this is my home

[longliner45]

lazy ,,,,lucky you ,looks nice ,longliner

[Frosty]

I'm like you, Jack. I work if I must, or when I can, but this forum is my life.
I don't even consider getting a job because I might miss out on something here.
Those "stiffies" whose lives revolve around a work or "life" schedule, well all I can say is, Get a life! Find a comfortable chair, get in front of your computor, and start living! Years from now, when it's all said and done, I don't want to have someone ask me, "Gramps, what did you do for all those years?", and have to answer, "I don't remember!".
I want to be able to say, "I don't remember, but I think it had to do with the sea, and boats, and the dangers of viruses, no matter what the weather!"
"Wow, Gramps! You really LIVED, didn't you?"
"Yes, I suppose you could say I did, matter of fact!"

Yup that about sums it up. I admire you for admitting it. I should admit it also but im not ready to accept totall failure yet.

I check the forum the minute I wake up, booting takes only a minute or two but seems like a lifetime.

With great anticipation I get stuck right into it ,promising myself I will look at world news later.

Its getting too much. I must get off the net.

I sometimes put out some cheeky stuff or a bit over the top in hope of a PM from Jeff saying my participation is no longer required.

Sigh--- this doesnt happen, and I just get my rep points battered.

[Bergalia]

... I sometimes put out some cheeky stuff or a bit over the top in hope of a PM from Jeff saying my participation is no longer required.


I heard that Jeff had been transferred to the 'Rubber-Wear Weekly...' Could this perhaps be the cause....:)

[lazeyjack]

lazy ,,,,lucky you ,looks nice ,longliner

we have a spare bed, but the airfares kill it

[alan white]

Yup that about sums it up. I admire you for admitting it. I should admit it also but im not ready to accept totall failure yet.

I check the forum the minute I wake up, booting takes only a minute or two but seems like a lifetime.

With great anticipation I get stuck right into it ,promising myself I will look at world news later.

Its getting too much. I must get off the net.

I sometimes put out some cheeky stuff or a bit over the top in hope of a PM from Jeff saying my participation is no longer required.

Sigh--- this doesnt happen, and I just get my rep points battered.

Hahahah! Well, I'm totally alone here lately, it's spring, I'm working in the shop at home, and I have nothing better to do on my breaks.
And to tell the truth, I'm learning a lot here. This is an amazing forum. Lots of really smart people with all kinds of ideas and methods that save me time and energy.
I work seven days a week, but my pace is such that it's not too bad--- I often lay on a coat at midnight and by morning its nearly dry.
But I know what you mean about the net. Gotta see it as fitting into rest cycles, something everyone needs, regrouping time.

[Frosty]

I heard that Jeff had been transferred to the 'Rubber-Wear Weekly...' Could this perhaps be the cause....:)

You looking to get banned too berg.

[westlawn5554X]

Ass instructed by Berg... I went and seach for Jeff in that rub forum... cant find Jeff over there but found out mostly male like to wear a bathing suit and put plastic over their head... I think I am confused :(

[Bergalia]

... cant find Jeff over there but found out mostly male like to wear a bathing suit and put plastic over their head... I think I am confused :(


That's because he's got a plastic bag on his head...:)

[westlawn5554X]

well done Bergalia, did you do that often, sorry to ask again... wat is that for? If you do it on regular basis does it help you in anyway mentally and physically or it is just a way of life? I am still confuse... :D

[Bergalia]

... is just a way of life?


Economy Westie. I found that wearing tights on my head was proving too expensive so I took to wearing plastic bags obtained from a local supermarket. But now I'm constantly accosted in the street by the Australian Special Branch who believe I am spreading a message from Al Quiada:
'Pohs ta shtrowlooW'....:mad:

[Frosty]

You shoudnt wear plastic bags on your head. All children know this.

Unles they are the offspring of Kevin Kostner --in that case they would have little gills on thier necks to breath out of.

Then I suppose its OK.

Wheres Will?

We were on the finall stages of swearing him in as Pm and he's done a runner.

Jeesss--thats a bummer NOW who can we choose? Someones got to do it.

Its only a little country isnt it, maybe we could get away with a stuffed Kangaroo? would you notice?--would you?

[Willallison]

Shhhh - I'm here, I'm here....
It's the mark of a good polly to know when NOT to speak
...and my minders say I'd have a better chance of getting elected if I just shut up:D;)

[lazeyjack]

Shhhh - I'm here, I'm here....
It's the mark of a good polly to know when NOT to speak
...and my minders say I'd have a better chance of getting elected if I just shut up:D;)

i just listened to a prog, interview National Radio, where the interviewee, said there was enuff geothermal in North S.A to power Aust industry for 100 years, but the big miners and such pay the pollys to keep it of the agenda, he did not zakkly say that but the message was clear,
this was in one place, there are potentially heaps more sites

[Frosty]

It's the mark of a good polly to know when NOT to speak
...


Oh mind games -- clever stuff.

Maybe if I didnt speak at all people would understand me.

Then they would know that I spoke the truth---

[Willallison]

Geothermal holds great promise - but it's never going to be the single answer to our future power needs. You have to have just the right sort of geological site - and parts of SA do. But just like nuclear, wind, solar etc, the biggest problem is that the cost just isn't competitive right now. When we are all having to pay 3 or 4 times as much for our power bills - and it looks like that day will most certainly come (probably as much for political as supply and demand reasons) then a combination of all of these and probably more will have to be considered.

[Bergalia]

Geothermal holds great promise - but it's never going to be the single answer to our future power needs.


Hi Will - before we start - been browsing your photo portfolio...Highly Impressive sir. Highly impressive.

Now to the business at hand. Have to admit I agree with you geothermal holds promise, but is not the answer to all our problems. I disagree with you on the nuclear issue having seen the immense damage nuclear power generation causes to both the local (North Atlantic - Irish Sea) environment - and to populations living within its hidden emission 'footprint'. Childhood leukemia around the UK stations are eleven times the expected 'normal average' (UK Statistical Office report - 1990). Add that to the 'odd' looking creatures trawlers were bringing up in their nets.
That aside there are other methods of power generation which really should be explored. The village of Dores at the eastern end of Loch Ness has been powered for the past 25 years by a system of bobbing floats called Salter's Ducks. These rely on wave power alone. France had the bright idea of tidal generation - a coffer dam which caught the rising tide - channeling it through tunnels containing turbines - and again funnelled that same water as it left with the receding tide. And of course we also have to consider wind and sunlight - in abundance around the Australian coastline. A combination of all these systems would go a long way to curing the ills.
And here I do not want to degenerate into politics - the problem is too extreme for that. But it would appear far too much sway is being held by vested interests - oil and coal companies - intent on profit - while the whole world quite literally goes to hell in a handbag.

[Willallison]

Well - I won't enter the nuclear debate. Not coz it isn't worth having, but because it's one that can't be won. People have very firm ideas about the results of using nuclear - rarely based on science, often on something they saw on the net, but mostly on what they saw on 60 Minutes.....

The wave generation thing has - as you suggest - been around a long time. Indeed there was a story some time back (probably on 60 mins!) about a Tasmanian chap who'd developed a efficient variant. I'm not one who goes in too much for the conspiracy theories about big business: you know - the oil companies have known about ways to generate free power for years, but keep it secret to protect their profits. Business will always find a way to capitalise on any new power generation systems.
But it's most certainly the case that until recently it's been all but impossible for these new ideas to attract the kind of money that's required for R&D. I think that will change given the current world wide 'climate'.

As far as the whole owrld going to hell - we're going to burn anyway. Nothin any of us can do about it. Then after that we'll freeze again. Been happening since the beginning of time. Whether we're having any effect on the rate of change...well... that's a whole different debate.

[lazeyjack]

Maximus, ole pal, I think your views on Nuclear power gen, are totally out of date
Reactor coolant water no longer pours into waterways, contaminated like it used to
Did you know, that 10,000,s of miners die in coal mines in China each year, from mine accidents, not to mentch the millions who are affected by lung decease, yet not word do we hear of complaint, but oh deary me, let one bod fry from radiation poisening and we HEAR big time
The great washed and unwashed of the world, are totally ingnorant about how nuclear fission happens, how nuclear power is generated,they would not know a bar of 239 from a bar of lysol, and also totally ignorant of how Little waste there is
No you go to you room and study and come back learned ok

[Bergalia]

[QUOTE=Willallison;144617]Well - I won't enter the nuclear debate. Not coz it isn't worth having, but because it's one that can't be won. People have very firm ideas about the results of using nuclear - rarely based on science, often on something they saw on the net, but mostly on what they saw on 60 Minutes.....[/QUOTE


Unfortunately Will my 'information' is based on personal experience. We lived under the 'footprint' of the Chernoble 'emmision'. Measure it on a map - east Russia to the West Coast of Scotland - and all the countries in between. The following year there were numerous babies born in the area with 'defects' - my own daughter, and my younger brother's daughter among them, both were attested by medical 'experts' to be the result of the fall-out. We were only two of twelve parents whose children were affected that year. In the following five years the the 'abnormalities' among newly born across the Highlands increased.
A farming neighbour of mine, at the time, had his lamb carcasses returned by the abattoir because they showed too high a stronium count when slaughtered. That is why I experience a rising fury when I hear nuclear energy touted as a 'clean, emission-free alternative.' Pah, humbug sir.

And Stu, just had your note pop up. Can't agree with you. The UK has been tinkering with nuclear fuels for four decades - and still the bloody things leak like sieves. Forty years to get a thing right ? How much longer do they need - and how many more generations have to suffer from their ineptitude ?

[charmc]

Did you know, that 10,000,s of miners die in coal mines in China each year, from mine accidents, not to mentch the millions who are affected by lung decease, yet not word do we hear of complaint, but oh deary me, let one bod fry from radiation poisening and we HEAR big time

Stu, You've got a point. Chernobyl was a result of corrupt Soviet practices (Note: Soviet, not Russian or Ukraine), most of the engineers knew it was a problem waiting to happen. The decisions leading up to the diaster were by politicians overruling engineers. Serious accidents as a % of kw/hrs produced by nuclear fission are overall very low, and new generation systems have even better safety controls.

[Willallison]

Like I said - not a debate that can easily be won. Particularly with someone who has experienced the result of nuclear gone wrong.... very sorry to hear it Bergalia....

[charmc]

Unfortunately Will my 'information' is based on personal experience. We lived under the 'footprint' of the Chernoble 'emmision'. Measure it on a map - east Russia to the West Coast of Scotland - and all the countries in between. The following year there were numerous babies born in the area with 'defects' - my own daughter, and my younger brother's daughter among them, both were attested by medical 'experts' to be the result of the fall-out.

Max,

I won't argue with you on this one. As a father who almost lost my daughter to a genetic defect, I can only guess at the pain and anguish you've gone through. Whether the effects on your daughter and niece were minor or major, I know you don't feel any different. Father to father, my heart goes out to you. Your feelings are justified.

[alan white]

I find it strange to hear, "We need to find new sources of energy to meet the demands of the 21st century, etc., etc.."
As if energy usage by whatever means must never be comprimised--- we will use more and more labor-saving devices and buy more and more consumer goods as time marches on.
Some talk about "free energy" or "over-unity devices", and endless supply of energy with no environmental pollution.
Energy to convert natural resources into future trash, to turn children into couch potatoes, to increase traffic congestion, build bigger houses that are easily run on cheap renewable energy...
Something is wrong in this picture. Americans use five times as much energy as the average Chinese, but they are fatter and more diabetic, and getting lazier ny the minute.
What's needed is a crisis of such scope as to make all forms of energy expensive, and a return to healthy lifestyles.
Energy should definately be environmentally non-destructive, but the real problem will always be the danger of cheap, endless supplies of energy.

[lazeyjack]

I find it strange to hear, "We need to find new sources of energy to meet the demands of the 21st century, etc., etc.."
As if energy usage by whatever means must never be comprimised--- we will use more and more labor-saving devices and buy more and more consumer goods as time marches on.
Some talk about "free energy" or "over-unity devices", and endless supply of energy with no environmental pollution.
Energy to convert natural resources into future trash, to turn children into couch potatoes, to increase traffic congestion, build bigger houses that are easily run on cheap renewable energy...
Something is wrong in this picture. Americans use five times as much energy as the average Chinese, but they are fatter and more diabetic, and getting lazier ny the minute.
What's needed is a crisis of such scope as to make all forms of energy expensive, and a return to healthy lifestyles.
Energy should definately be environmentally non-destructive, but the real problem will always be the danger of cheap, endless supplies of energy.

when I was in Housten, I saw this sign(every texan should have 475 horses under the bonnet) it nearly made me sick
here, we have a boatshow, right, a 50 foot gin place with 1000kw, thats enough for 10000x100, watt light bulbs, yet, our pollies are saying all lights will be fleuro to save energy!! v8 cars running around the roads, who needs em, a euro 2litre diesel common rail car will go lots faster and do 50mpg as against 18, we pay lip service to energy saving

[charmc]

we pay lip service to energy saving

That's not true! Everyone thinks energy saving is good, and every other guy should do it! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[charmc]

I find it strange to hear, "We need to find new sources of energy to meet the demands of the 21st century, etc., etc.."
As if energy usage by whatever means must never be comprimised--- we will use more and more labor-saving devices and buy more and more consumer goods as time marches on.
What's needed is a crisis of such scope as to make all forms of energy expensive, and a return to healthy lifestyles.
Energy should definately be environmentally non-destructive, but the real problem will always be the danger of cheap, endless supplies of energy.

Some good points, Alan.

Similar situation on the water crisis. In America, in surburban and urban areas, 64 -76% of treated drinkable quality water is used for watering lawns. Think about that for a minute. Municipalities spend hundreds of millions of dollars on drinking water plants, removing nearly every possible contaminant to make pure drinking water ... and for every 100 million gallons made, 65-75 million gallons is used to water the grass to make it look niceer. A waste of precious resources.

[alan white]

The rest mostly is used to flush toilets. I have never in my life watered my lawn. The crime of it is that I usually reach one half of the minimum charge for three months of water. I end up paying twice per gallon as my neighbors.
I asked why the system was structured this way, and the woman whom I spoke to said, "I just tell people to use more water. They're paying for it anyway.
With attitudes like that, water usage will (and does) increase as time goes on. People use more water now than five years ago. When they have to enlarge the water treatment plant, they will raise my bill.
No matter what I do, short of collecting rain water and filtering it, and flushing the toilet once a week, I am stuck with that crazy system.
Wonder where this all ends?

[Willallison]

v8 cars running around the roads, who needs em

Well, I was about to say that I do. But then I remembered that I can tow the boat with the little diesel in my Landrover Discovery. Doesn't do it anywhere near as well as the 6.5L diesel in our Suburban, but, true...it can be done...

[lazeyjack]

Well, I was about to say that I do. But then I remembered that I can tow the boat with the little diesel in my Landrover Discovery. Doesn't do it anywhere near as well as the 6.5L diesel in our Suburban, but, true...it can be done...
Will be very careful! I just drove 40000km in eu and east euro in LR disco, snow the works air susp. ace, best 4x4 ever, keep this up you may get pos feed

[Bergalia]

Snap Will and Stu...I've got a LR Discovery too (petrol model)...but as you say - best 4 wheel drive in the world. PS have you yet discovered what 'Pajero' means ?

[westlawn5554X]

PS have you yet discovered what 'Pajero' means ?

I am dying to hear the meaning shoot me ancient one...:)

[Frosty]

The rest mostly is used to flush toilets. I have never in my life watered my lawn. The crime of it is that I usually reach one half of the minimum charge for three months of water. I end up paying twice per gallon as my neighbors.
I asked why the system was structured this way, and the woman whom I spoke to said, "I just tell people to use more water. They're paying for it anyway.
With attitudes like that, water usage will (and does) increase as time goes on. People use more water now than five years ago. When they have to enlarge the water treatment plant, they will raise my bill.
No matter what I do, short of collecting rain water and filtering it, and flushing the toilet once a week, I am stuck with that crazy system.
Wonder where this all ends?

You mean you dont collect rain water. never had a shower oustide in fresh rain water, never stood outside with bar of soap in a thunder storm.

I dont know what to say???

[Bergalia]

I am dying to hear the meaning shoot me ancient one...:)

From the dictionary of Spanish slang:

pajero (noun, masculine) † Jerk-off; jackoff; person who masturbates note A car known in the US as the Montero is sold in Australian and some European markets as the "Pajero," a name which some Spanish and Portuguese people find hilariously stupid.

And now you know.......:D

Hey - Westie - don't tell me you've got one.....:P

[Bergalia]

...No matter what I do, short of collecting rain water and filtering it, and flushing the toilet once a week, I am stuck with that crazy system.

Not sure about my other Australian colleagues - but living in a 'rural' area we rely on rainwater as our one and only source. We store it in tanks, filter it, and use it for all domestic purposes. As for my 'garden' a couple of hectares - I've worked out a system of filtering and underground drainage for 'waste' water from the household washing machines, showers, washbasins etc. The toilets are on a septic system - and I've diverted the 'grey water' away from the septic system for underground 'watering' of my paddocks.
On the idiocy theme consider this, Australia is one of the driest continents on earth - yet grows such 'export' crops as rice and sugarcane...among the thirstiest crops there are. In effect giving away the precious resource of water. At present we are still experiencing a seven year drought (despite what 'experts' in their Canberra offices say) and there are cases where ore producers are allowed multi-mega-litres water useage per day while neighbouring towns are forced to haul water in by road for the domestic user.:mad:

[lazeyjack]

Snap Will and Stu...I've got a LR Discovery too (petrol model)...but as you say - best 4 wheel drive in the world. PS have you yet discovered what 'Pajero' means ?
pajero, dont swear at me ya bastard
the disco had the 5 cyl bmw, it had this weird beat that only a five can make, as the load came on , it had air on the rear axle, self levelling and ace, active cornering enhancement
When I picked it up, I threw it into a bend, it went round like a sports car, coming down the hills through romania, NOTHING kept with me( going up was different) I rarely love cars, had a 500merc once, but I loved this LR iT HAD hill decent control, it could go backwards up a slipprey slope when other 4x4 could not even drive up
this is a pic of the ole girl and my girlfriend, she was a frigid young lady, suit frosty more

[Trevlyns]

... kinda like a deformed condom...?

[Willallison]

Sadly, we don't have a td5 Disco - ours is the year older 4 cyl version. Almost as much grunt as an 80 yr old riding a trishaw.... Nevertheless, a v.good vehicle. 36 mpg - not many 4wd's can manage that......
I did manage 19mpg in the diesel Suburban, towing 4 tons of boat from Sydney to Hobart, then again from Hobart to the Gold Coast. Not a bad effort....

Living in Hobart, we don't have quite the water shortages that many other states on the big island do. I live on 5 acres, 10 mins from the middle of town and as such am lucky enough to still be connected to the town water supply. Tassie's dams are running at around 43% I think, so not too dire. But just you bloody northerners keep your rice-growin hands off it! (Some whako thought it might be a good idea to build huge wind-powered tankers to cart the stuff to Sydney - over my dead dehydrated body....)

It's probably the same elsewhere in the world, but Oz is indeed a country of contrasts - some area's are dry as buggery, whilst others have (almost) more water than they know what to do with. But because water is so heavy it is expensive to move around, so not economically viable to transport from the wet regions to the dry

[alan white]

I had a rover 2000 once. Yeah, that baby had the De Dion rear suspension and the tank reserve switch. Yup. Then I drove a Ladiza-Car AZ for a few years til that broke down.

[alan white]

Not sure about my other Australian colleagues - but living in a 'rural' area we rely on rainwater as our one and only source. We store it in tanks, filter it, and use it for all domestic purposes. As for my 'garden' a couple of hectares - I've worked out a system of filtering and underground drainage for 'waste' water from the household washing machines, showers, washbasins etc. The toilets are on a septic system - and I've diverted the 'grey water' away from the septic system for underground 'watering' of my paddocks.
On the idiocy theme consider this, Australia is one of the driest continents on earth - yet grows such 'export' crops as rice and sugarcane...among the thirstiest crops there are. In effect giving away the precious resource of water. At present we are still experiencing a seven year drought (despite what 'experts' in their Canberra offices say) and there are cases where ore producers are allowed multi-mega-litres water useage per day while neighbouring towns are forced to haul water in by road for the domestic user.:mad:

Maybe why Aussies are drawn to the sea. At least you have some land. I have a similar plot, all springs. I made the mistake years ago of hooking up to the city water supply, but I'm building a cabin in back and selling the house, so I'll dig a well for that finally.

[Willallison]

When the td5 was 1st released with it's self-levelling suspension they had a few er... teathing problems.
Seems the system couldn't cope with sway caused by a trailer. If you ran a zig-zag (which of course all the car testers did) then the 'delayed' sway of the trailer would cause the car to flip itself! Presume they got it sorted....
Much like the baby Benz when it had its world-wide release in Sweden (I think) They did a moose-test - whereby the driver zig-zagged to miss an imaginary moose. It too landed on its lid. The Benz boys were none too impressed by this and had a go themselves...with the same result. Cost them rather a lot in recalled cars...

[lazeyjack]

When the td5 was 1st released with it's self-levelling suspension they had a few er... teathing problems.
Seems the system couldn't cope with sway caused by a trailer. If you ran a zig-zag (which of course all the car testers did) then the 'delayed' sway of the trailer would cause the car to flip itself! Presume they got it sorted....
Much like the baby Benz when it had its world-wide release in Sweden (I think) They did a moose-test - whereby the driver zig-zagged to miss an imaginary moose. It too landed on its lid. The Benz boys were none too impressed by this and had a go themselves...with the same result. Cost them rather a lot in recalled cars...

spose they must have, Benz just changed the tyres:)) But I did see many Discos towing big vans in Europe, I always made a point of talking to as many owners as I could, what rattled me was I left this car in UK COS our archaic fiscal system would not allow me to bring it back, sold it for 5500 pounds, same thing here is 33000
The electrics were amazing . in wipe, you could pick a wipe time, in seconds, things like this, the cruise control was under your right hand, no need to take hand off wheel,
the bad things, worst car I ever slept in, no legroom, they made it bigger for disco 3, but I could never justify the cost here the climate air beat the Merc hands down, and so on, hafta stop, may start myself off on a feeling sad hour

[Mychael]

Guess you can be lucky but my friend had a petrol disco. It broke things faster then she could afford to keep getting them fixed.
Now if you want to talk good 4WD take my Lada (please someone).. Actually for all the jokes abounding about them they are really very capable off-road multi purpose vehicles in the small size class.
Tell me where else you can get a vehicle with genuine four wheel drive capability and constant four wheel drive for less then $4,000 Aus.

Mychael

[lazeyjack]

Guess you can be lucky but my friend had a petrol disco. It broke things faster then she could afford to keep getting them fixed.
Now if you want to talk good 4WD take my Lada (please someone).. Actually for all the jokes abounding about them they are really very capable off-road multi purpose vehicles in the small size class.
Tell me where else you can get a vehicle with genuine four wheel drive capability and constant four wheel drive for less then $4,000 Aus.

Mychael

yep ladas and their family are basic and very reliable, all through east eu and west asia
you take new discos from 2000 they will go up slippy slopes where nothing else will go, but who does need this? the odd snow man, the odd farmer in steep hill , but not your shopping mum

[Bergalia]

Mychael, I thought the 4WD Lada was called the Niva ?

But for 'reliability' I'm in agreement with Stu. My younger brother - way back in Scotland - wanted to buy this elderly short-base Land-Rover for towing his small boat up onto the hard. The dealer (trilby, camel-hair coat, pencil-thin moustache - and suede kilt) said he'd only sell the Land-Rover IF my brother also took the Lada off his hands....'No extra charge...just get the bloody thing out of my yard...'
So we did - by using the Lada to tow the Land-Rover the 50 miles home. When I left, some 20 years ago, the Lada was still ticking away like a sewing machine while the Land-Rover had become a luxury home for his chickens.:(

[safewalrus]

The Walrus has the answer!! don't drive! never have never will! Use public transport or deliveries (let them worry about the price of fuel and depreciation and the thing going wrong - what your trucks broken and you can't delivery, no problem I'll get someone who can thankee goodbye!!) Works for me! There again I live in a small fairly well developed (thats a joke too - more households in Devon and Cornwall without gas, electricity or running water than in the rest of the UK put together - fact! there again afore Bergalia puts his oar in, we're a bunch of nutters, interbreeding does wonders) country. You lot that liv in B-I-G places like USofA or Aus may just need your vehicles some! there again nothing wrong with horses, or camels!!

[lazeyjack]

The Walrus has the answer!! don't drive! never have never will! Use public transport or deliveries (let them worry about the price of fuel and depreciation and the thing going wrong - what your trucks broken and you can't delivery, no problem I'll get someone who can thankee goodbye!!) Works for me! There again I live in a small fairly well developed (thats a joke too - more households in Devon and Cornwall without gas, electricity or running water than in the rest of the UK put together - fact! there again afore Bergalia puts his oar in, we're a bunch of nutters, interbreeding does wonders) country. You lot that liv in B-I-G places like USofA or Aus may just need your vehicles some! there again nothing wrong with horses, or camels!!

last time I took my camel out we were away 6 weeks, ran outta water, the bastard lay down, refused get up, I lit a fire under its tail, still refused, I hadda walk home, since then I have never bothered with camels

[Bergalia]

since then I have never bothered with camels

You're a Marlboro Man then Stu ?

And you're right Walrus. Some of us here in Australia need our vehicles. In my area NO public transport, and nearest camel some 100 kilometres away (but we do have goats...). I have to drive 20ks to collect my mail, and once a month drive (with trailer) 30ks to dispose of my rubbish. One daughter goes to college 25ks away (parents of the three students take turn about with transport), other girl attends TAFE (technical college) 20 ks away. Nearest police station 22ks away; nearest hospital (10 bed) 30ks away.
However, on the bright side, the local Aboriginals have a 5-acre plot of 'grass' only 3ks away (for medicinal purposes only, of course)....You should smell it on a hot summer's day...:D

[longliner45]

bergy can I buy some grass,,,longliner

[charmc]

I've been suffering from several ailments lately, modern medicine can't help. Maybe try some aboriginal alternative, purely for medicinal trials, of course. :)

[Bergalia]

Sorry Charlie and Longliner - this stuff is reserved for the traditional Aboriginal 'Smoking Ceremony'...Unless of course, like me, you come from a long line (no pun intended) of Australian Aborigines.

Oh, and in future I'd like to be known as Yorrupingu Dingo....:D

[westlawn5554X]

I think grass is legal in some part of the funny world... I hate to eat what goat take for supper but I loved the vase which is more interesting...:)

Type of grass:

1. Manila grass
2. Elephant grass
3 etc......

[longliner45]

buy the way..I have never heard of somebody having a head on colliosin,after partaking in a smoke,,,but many head on collisions after whisky and brew ,which is legal......longliner,,4/20

[alan white]

This is my experience too. Just last week, here in Bangor, Maine, a guy got drunk and jumped off a fifty foot bridge, "to see what it was like". I would say that if he'd partaken of illegal weed instead of getting blasted at the bar downtown legally, he would not have done something like that.
I think the laws regarding mind altering substances consider whether you would be likely to sing "...Proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free..." or, conversely, wonder "why we can't just all notice those nice flowers and that funny cloud and have some food."
That's deviant talk. The breakdown of the system is thought by some to be heralded by individual thought and introspection. Laws consider group ideations as primary, and individual ideations as counter to the group.

[Bergalia]

.... The breakdown of the system is thought by some to be heralded by individual thought and introspection. Laws consider group ideations as primary, and individual ideations as counter to the group.


Wow...Sure sounds like powerful stuff you've got there Alan. Me and the rest of the mob (cough cough) wonder if we can acquire some of its seeds to grow our own....


:p Yorrupingu Dingo:p

[alan white]

Wow...Sure sounds like powerful stuff you've got there Alan. Me and the rest of the mob (cough cough) wonder if we can acquire some of its seeds to grow our own....


:p Yorrupingu Dingo:p

Huh? Oh. Sorry, mouth full of yoghurt covered chocolate cheese pretzels.
Yeah. Huh? Oh. I forgot what we were talking about. Oh yeah. Okay.


Thanks for the advice, Alan

[alan white]

I didn't mean YOU were Alan.


Huh? There's a spot on the screen. Okay.

[Bergalia]

Huh? Oh. Sorry, mouth full of yoghurt covered chocolate cheese pretzels.


We've tried them...but too difficult to light.....:)

[alan white]

Light them? That makes no sense. I bake them into brownies.

[Bergalia]

.... That makes no sense. I bake them into brownies.


Brownies ? The junior section of the Girl Guide Movement ?...Alan, how could you......We eat them raw.....:)

[timgoz]

They calculated that for a human to die fron a cannabis overdose, not the smoke, but the active ingriedients (THC, TVHC, ect...), he would have to smoke 1500lbs. in a 24hr. period.

There has never been a documented OD case, yet in the US it is the same "level" drug as heroin.

On the good side, our drug war is going great. We taxpayers are funding new prisons at a furious rate. We also have the privilage to support tons of judges, courtworkers, probation officers, rehabs, ect......

Hell, we got more people in jail/prison than the rest of the bloody world combined.

My pizza needs to come out of the oven. :)

Tim

[PI Design]

Walrus - how can you live in Cornwall without a car? It's too hilly to cycle, and the nearest bus stop is probably Plymouth! I used to spend every summer in Boscastle - there's a decent vineyard in the area now as well!

Bergy - 30k to the hospital! Don't break a leg.

I've never smoked cannabis in my life. When you go to a party where it is being smoked, it is so boring. Everyone just sits in silence. At least booze makes people more fun (in moderation, of course!).

[Bergalia]

...Bergy - 30k to the hospital! Don't break a leg.


No worries PI - I always carry three spares....

[PI Design]

Actually, I've just thought about it. I think I'm about 13 miles (20k) from a hospital myself. It's not something I'd considered before, but my wife might notice when she goes in to labour!

[Bergalia]

... It's not something I'd considered before, but my wife might notice when she goes in to labour!


Then make sure she sticks with the Conservatives.....

[PI Design]

If she'd been a bit more conservative, she might not have got into this situation:p

[charmc]

If she'd been a bit more conservative, she might not have got into this situation:p

Are you saying you had nothing to do with it?? :P :P :D :D

[PI Design]

I can resist everything but temptation...

[Bergalia]

For our Aussie readers...but could be adapted for the US:


Our local club got a new robotic bartender installed. A member came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?"

The man replied, "150." So the robot proceeded to make conversation about Quantum physics, string theory, atomic chemistry, and so on.

The member listened intently and thought, "This is really great."

He decided to test the robot. He walked out of the bar, turned around, and came back in for another drink. Again, the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?"

The man said, "100." So the robot started talking about football, cricket, beer, and so on.

Amazed, the man went out and came back in a third time. As before, the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?" The man replied, "50."

The robot then said, "So, you gonna vote for John Howard again?"

[Bergalia]

Actually this is the answer to the poser I raised on the 'Physical Brain Teaser' thread:

How many did you count? 3?

Wrong, there are 6! Read it again.
It sems the brain cannot process "OF".

Supposedly anyone who counts all 6 "F's" on the first go is a genius. Three is normal, four is quite rare.:)

[PI Design]

Damn it! I counted twice and got 3 each time... that's six in total.

[Bergalia]

Damn it! I counted twice and got 3 each time... that's six in total.


I suppose that makes you half a genius twice....

[PI Design]

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me...

[charmc]

It sems the brain cannot process "OF".

More accurate explanation, I think, (not mine, I read it somewhere :) ) is that we "say" words internally when we read, and so the brain processes "OF" as "OV".

Most speed reading techniques are based on training the reader to eliminate this internal "saying" of words, since speech is much slower than absorbing visual input directly. Also, as proven here, it screws up your counting of F's. :D :D

[charmc]

I suppose that makes you half a genius twice....

When, as a young lad, I stumped my mom with a brain teaser from school, she told me I was on my way to becoming a wit ... said I was half way there. :rolleyes:

[smokeonthewater]

I got 6 :D :D :D :D


(but then I have been asked that one before)

[Bergalia]

I got 6 :D :D :D :D

Did I say 6 ? Damn, I meant 8...unfortunately a line got dropped.....:D :D