Cutty Sark being eaten by flames

[DanishBagger]

I'm not kidding:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6675381.stm

[DanishBagger]

Hmm, should have been "being eaten by flames" or simply "Cutty Sark eaten by flames"

[lazeyjack]

Hmm, should have been "being eaten by flames" or simply "Cutty Sark eaten by flames"

yes read that, make you weep

[Bergalia]

Hell DanishBagger - did you notice the 'renovation' price tag - 25million quid....Could build a hundred 'Sarks' for that. Still she was a grand old ship - the name means (though you probably know it already) "Short Shirt/or Vest.":(

[lazeyjack]

Hell DanishBagger - did you notice the 'renovation' price tag - 25million quid....Could build a hundred 'Sarks' for that. Still she was a grand old ship - the name means (though you probably know it already) "Short Shirt/or Vest.":(

you shudda been on the goon show--D blogger won;t have an inkling!!

[lazeyjack]

Dame of Sark and I often take tea, whilst I'm up North. We both love knitting, , natural wool , naturally, usually we collect it off the stone walls

[DanishBagger]

Hell DanishBagger - did you notice the 'renovation' price tag - 25million quid....Could build a hundred 'Sarks' for that. Still she was a grand old ship - the name means (though you probably know it already) "Short Shirt/or Vest.":(

Yes I knew that - but only because when I was a kid, I looked it up (after reading it on a bottle of whisky - not mine, though ...).


I don't know - usually, when something needs to be restored historically correct, it always end up much more expensive than building new. But building an entirely new one would kind of miss the target, wouldn't it?


And Lazey Jack, I'm not a blogger, but aren't you just a swell fella today?

[kach22i]

Sad, from a cost stand point do you think they will they rebuild the hull?

[lazeyjack]

Yes I knew that - but only because when I was a kid, I looked it up (after reading it on a bottle of whisky - not mine, though ...).


I don't know - usually, when something needs to be restored historically correct, it always end up much more expensive than building new. But building an entirely new one would kind of miss the target, wouldn't it?


And Lazey Jack, I'm not a blogger, but aren't you just a swell fella today?

sorry
really I,m half blind, wot is a Bagger?

[DanishBagger]

Well, being the whore I am, it can be anything you want it to be ;-)

[StianM]

Sad, from a cost stand point do you think they will they rebuild the hull? probartly yes since it's one of londons greatest turist atractions. I think 50% off the plankss and masts and other stuff where located somewhere else.

Emergency services received a call at 0446 BST from a member of the public who said the Cutty Sark was ablaze.

This is disturbing, they are fixing one off the worlds moust famous boats using electric tools and have gasbotles onboard and have no firealarm instaled? They recive calls from the public about the fire. That is not profesjonal.

[Bergalia]

Dame of Sark and I often take tea...

Come now Stu - (you little name dropper you) - The Cutty Sark had nothing whatsoever to do with the island of Sark - as you well know.

Built for captain Jock Willis the 963 ton Cutty Sark was launched on November 22nd, 1869, at Dumbarton (Scotland of course) on the River Leven.

Jock Willis was a well-read man who enjoyed poetry including that of Robert Burns. In the Burns poem ‘Tam O’Shanter’ - the hero Tam meets with three witches dancing around a fire (a common sight in Scotland - even today). The younbgest and prettiest was wearing nothing but a short vest - or petticoat - a ‘cutty sark’ in lowland Scots dialect. And it is because of this that he chose his vessel’s name.

Jock’s lasting ambition was to make the ‘Sark’ the fastest ship in the annual *
race to bring home the first of the new season's tea from China.

It was not to be. Another Scots built clipper - Thermopylae built in 1868 by Walter Hood & Co., Aberdeen, for the White Star Line (George Thompson & Co.), Aberdeen, under Captain Robert Kemball.

She sailed on her maiden voyage on November 8th that year, from Gravesend Kent, to Hobson's Bay, Melbourne, in 63 days. The fastest passage on record.

Towards the turn of the 19th Century she was sold to the Portuguese Government which converted her to a training ship and renamed her Pedro Nunes.
Then on October 13 1907 she was sunk by gunfire and torpedoes by units of the Portuguese Navy at sea off the Tagus.
Much of the Cutty Sark’s popularity stems from Jock Willis’s own personality - being a much more likeable, outgoing man than Captain Robert Kemball.

[MikeJohns]

I posted this on fires caused by rags impregnated by various oils:

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=141342#post141342

might be a possibility too.

Bergalia
I have a large model of Thermopylae in my office here, for the cost of restoring the Cutty Sark I could take the lines off this model and build her full size through the local shipyard , it's a funny old world.

[Bergalia]

Your'e a lucky toad Mike. Beautiful lines - I envy you.
Read you post on rags and oil. A lesson to us all. But latest heard was that the Inspector Plod is studying the security tapes in the belief that it might have been arson. I ask you - who - and for what possible reason.:(

[Trevlyns]

So, so sad. What a magnificent vessel. Here's some photo’s I took only last summer. :(

[safewalrus]

Yes extremely sad, I doubt if she will be rebuilt - problems with the cost of the ongoing restoration itself (mind you it's not unknown in these circumstances for the item to be burned down by the actual restorers, the insurance claimed and the job completed using the insurance money to cover the costs! now who would think that?)

[charmc]

This is disturbing, they are fixing one off the worlds moust famous boats using electric tools and have gasbotles onboard and have no firealarm instaled? They recive calls from the public about the fire. That is not profesjonal.

That is odd, if true, particularly since there were security cameras installed.

[Vega]

Sad, from a cost stand point do you think they will they rebuild the hull?

Sure. There are things that are priceless. They are symbolic to an entire nation. After all, how many fighter planes you could buy with that money? I guess not many. In 15 years those planes will be junk and the "Old Lady" will last "forever" (with some rebuilds, now and then;) ).

[Bergalia]

Great pictures Tim. Probably collectors items now.

Perhaps they'll replace her with a stuffed 'Tony Blair'.....(damn there goes Jeff - reaching for his points erasor...):(

[DanishBagger]

It turns out that no gas bottles were on board.

[charmc]

Regardless of the cause, I hope the trust (foundation?) will rebuild her. A classic clipper, a great treasure.

[DanishBagger]

Regardless of the cause, I hope the trust (foundation?) will rebuild her. A classic clipper, a great treasure.

Yep, I'm danish (duuh!), not british, but even I see this as a huge loss. I sure hope they will rebuild her.

[Frosty]

Still--- cant give Berglia neg reps.

Slagging off Mr blair like that.

Whats up with this damn points thing.

Talking of burning down. I have never see or experienced a country with such fire precation laws. British standard this and that. Fire extinguishers placed every six inches, smoke alarms, door closers.

Yet the place is always setting on fire. The great fire of london!!--The queens gallery at Windsor,--serious architectural or historical value. They seem to be the ones that go first.

Discarded bloody cigarettes --thats what it is.

Some ***** some where knows what he has done.

[DanishBagger]

Oh, I see that the headline has been edited/corrected! Thank you!

Jack, why would you give Bergalia neg. rep. for slagging off Blair? If everyone did that, the americans would be rather busy giving people neg. reps. over Bush.

Anyway, it's not about politics - except I hope that if the foundation doesn't have enough money, perhaps it can be politically decided to help.

[Vega]

Yep, I'm danish (duuh!), not british, but even I see this as a huge loss. I sure hope they will rebuild her.

That boat is not only important to the British. I believe it is a landmark or better, a "seamark":D to all sailors and to all countries with a sea tradition. She belong to all of us now and it's our obligation to keep her in good shape.
(The Cutty Sark was built in Scotland but also sailed under Portuguese flag for 22 years).

[Bergalia]

Still--- cant give Berglia neg reps. Slagging off Mr blair like that. Whats up with this damn points thing.

You're obviously doing something wrong Jack...Let me have a go...and we'll fix this bastard once and for all.....:mad:

[StianM]

That boat is not only important to the British. I believe it is a landmark or better, a "seamark":D to all sailors and to all countries with a sea tradition.

A smal store where I used to live in Norway had some original pices from the rig for sale. I think that show how mutch interest it is for this boat in the world.

[Frosty]

You're obviously doing something wrong Jack...Let me have a go...and we'll fix this bastard once and for all.....:mad:

Im not joking you seem to be imune from my--- wrath??

I cant give you pos or neg point and theres others too I can do.

Its not that I want to, you understand its just I couldnt if I did.

Its your buddy Jeff aint it? hes protecting you.

[Bergalia]

Im not joking you seem to be imune from my--- wrath??
Its your buddy Jeff aint it? hes protecting you.

Yep. Jeff's my buddy. I regularly slip a dead sparrow in the post for his cat...:)

[safewalrus]

If Jack had been onboard there would have been a 'gas bag' if not a gas bottle!

Let us all hope the ship gets rebuilt, as she is (or was?) one of the great historic monuments to seafaring through history (your OK Jack your the other one, in your case the wrong way to do it!!)