On So Many Levels...

[Sean Herron]

Hello....

I saw a lot of happy clowns...

SH.

[Bergalia]

You crossed over to the US again, didn't you....:)

[artemis]

You crossed over to the US again, didn't you....:)

American bashing again. Right now most of us aren't happy... and the only clown is the one sitting in the White House - the one elected (don't know by who, as everyone I talk to say they voted for the other guy). :(

[longliner45]

the choises were so bad ,,,,,,,,,,,,we didnt have a chance,,longliner

[charmc]

the one elected (don't know by who, as everyone I talk to say they voted for the other guy). :(

No one voted for Nixon either .... or for Clinton after he got caught playing with the intern, amazing how these guys get elected with no one voting for them.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[longliner45]

Ill be honest ,,,I voted for *******,,,,,,,,,,but please ,,,al gore?can you imagine what it would be like ,,with him in charge ,,after 9/11?

[lazeyjack]

well Longlip for one,and we all know he stole the election result (BUSH)
If you USA people(notice I dID not say Americans, cos America is made up of many nations) only knew how unpopular you have become, so its up to you to tRy and change,
This is not USA bashing, but plain unadultered fact, I have lost count of the places I have been , and the sentiment is the same everywhere, ranging from pure unadulterated hatred to plain distain

You have been led up the garden path well and truly, your leader along with ours, is a mass murderer and should be put on trial But Hell they both go to Church and Lordy they are atoned for their sins
You a re directly resonsible for killing at conservative figures 225000% more than were kileld at twin towers, you have been in 28 wars since WW2, now tell me the USA people are not to blame

[longliner45]

well jack ,,I can see you are not a man of your word,,,you said you couldent see my filth ,,,,well ,,he didnt steal the elections ,,,we voted his dumb ass in ,,as for the world hating us ,,I guess so ,,I was a victom of jimmy carter and ronald reagon,,in nicoragua and honduras,,,jimmy said we are sandinista,,ronald said we are contra,,,,,,,,,so switch sides,,,this is one problem with us politics,,,,,as for the latter ..I would rather kill 225000% any day than have them harm one hair on an american,,,,,and those that dont like us ,,,remember,,,,we are all not like bush,,,and in america,,we are still free ,,,,,the traffic is still one way,,,,,incoming...all are welcome,,,,,,,and make no bones about it ,,we are one united nation,,people of all worlds,,but yet one ,,longliner,,,,,,,,,,by the way jack ,,put some cloths on,,,,,,

[Bergalia]

Longliner; Charmc; Lazeyjack; and Artemis...Sorry I spoke....:(

[lazeyjack]

Longliner; Charmc; Lazeyjack; and Artemis...Sorry I spoke....:(

I will tell only the truth in hear ole boy, trouble is, USA, is starved of the truth, people near the Can border get REAL news, the truth is hidden from the others
Its Ok long, I love ya really

[kach22i]

American bashing again. Right now most of us aren't happy... and the only clown is the one sitting in the White House - the one elected (don't know by who, as everyone I talk to say they voted for the other guy). :(

Maybe you only know nice good people.:)
No kidding, nobody voted for Nixon after Watergate broke loose either.

A article I suggest you read:

Network Hosting Attorney Scandal E-Mails Also Hosted Ohio's 2004 Election Results
http://www.alternet.org/story/50941/
By Steven Rosenfeld and Bob Fitrakis

EDIT:
During the dark days of build up to a foolish war, the Toronto Star, CBC and BBC were the only news sources not brain washed and spouting the same lies. Even PBS had a wimpy voice, a true disapointment. I've been part of "the border audience" all my life, and it does make a big difference.

[TerryKing]

..(snip)..During the dark days of build up to a foolish war, the Toronto Star, CBC and BBC were the only news sources not brain washed and spouting the same lies. Even PBS had a wimpy voice, a true disapointment. I've been part of "the border audience" all my life, and it does make a big difference.

Even when I lived in Vermont, in that era, I had lots of other viewpoints via the web.. See http://terryking.us/news where I start off each day....

Since then, well, I Voted With My Feet. I will not live in the USA again until HE is gone.. So it looks like 2009 or so.

Not that Africa or China are perfect.. far from it.. but its MY countries reputation, and MY personal representation of it and explanation of it that were trashed by those guys in the White House.

A taxi driver asked me about a month ago, **When you go back to USA?**
My only answer: *When That Guy goes back to Texas..

[longliner45]

Terry,,tell the truth ,,you will go back to USA,,when your wifes teaching contract expires,,,you will make a beeline home ,, you didnt choose to go away from usa ,,you followed the money ,,,your wifes money,, so ,,,,,why try to come off like some big contientous objector????if it is so bad here ,,,stay there...longliner

[Trevlyns]

An idle observation... This Sean Herron sure knows how to start a thread!!... so many clowns...

[longliner45]

dont you mean ,,,obviose,,,,,,,

[lazeyjack]

Even when I lived in Vermont, in that era, I had lots of other viewpoints via the web.. See http://terryking.us/news where I start off each day....

Since then, well, I Voted With My Feet. I will not live in the USA again until HE is gone.. So it looks like 2009 or so.

Not that Africa or China are perfect.. far from it.. but its MY countries reputation, and MY personal representation of it and explanation of it that were trashed by those guys in the White House.

A taxi driver asked me about a month ago, **When you go back to USA?**
My only answer: *When That Guy goes back to Texas..

most texans, have this answer, if someone bothers you, get a bigger gun, until USA americans get rid of this mentality , then you will ALWAYS BE IN THE CRAP

[longliner45]

jack are still mad because your government decided you dont need guns ??it must be nice to have a government ,,,that knows what is best for you,,,,,,??? by the way did the crime rate decrease???????I think not ,,well Ill be cleaning my 47 and my thompson45 sub ,,and my vintage BAR,,,,and my mountain of semi assault weapons,,,and my handguns ,,,hope no burglers come in tonight,,lucky you ,,you dont have that problem ,,,,do ya? longliner

[lazeyjack]

most texans, have this answer, if someone bothers you, get a bigger gun, until USA americans get rid of this mentality , then you will ALWAYS BE IN THE CRAP
you got it and thanks for having the spine to say this
trouble is when you have a big population who are at best semi literate, then, the vote can be easily swayed by people using scare tactics, there was almost and still is no threat by terror to your place
Now I cant get, by road further east than Turkey, they hate us cos they cant tell diff between anglos, I take my NZ passport I am ashamed to be Brit and Aust, becuz they followed your lead, how bloody dumb is that,
its strange given that Bliar is an educated man,
Which leads me to Putin, he is very educated, WHY OH WHY cant you vote in an educated guy, multilingual
well I ansered that above:)) cheers

[longliner45]

no threat by terrorist ,,or foriegn invaders,,probably because we all have guns,longliner

[lazeyjack]

longliner, I dont open your posts and will not, unless you apolegise for calling me a ******* and leaving neg feedback
A ******* I clearly am not, you said you held out a truce, but you never said sorry

[longliner45]

Jack,,cant take the negative feed back ,,back now ,,it wont let me ,,,Im sure you are a good human,,,,alott like me I am sorry for calling you names,,,I felt provocked,from what I can tell ..you work hard for a living,so far I like you the most ,,,but please .......put some cloths on ,,,at least a t shirt,longliner,,,,,,,,your turn

[TerryKing]

Terry,,tell the truth ,,you will go back to USA,,when your wifes teaching contract expires,,,you will make a beeline home ,, you didnt choose to go away from usa ,,you followed the money ,,,your wifes money,, so ,,,,,why try to come off like some big contientous objector????if it is so bad here ,,,stay there...longliner

Sure it's easier to live overseas with an income...

But the decision-making then had a lot to do with the fact that we had come to believe that the USA doesn't have all the answers. And bluntly, I don't see any evidence that the present President understands the questions.

3 years in a Muslim country, with lots of Sub-Saharan African friends too, means I do think differently about a lot of things.

The decision-making this time around, between going back to the USA or going elsewhere, was based on similar feelings. So it's China for the next 2 or 3 or more years. I hope that we can learn a broader perspective of the world, and try to figure out what the heck to say about America. I'm a very strong believer in the US Constitution (and the Vermont Constitution, which I carry in my notebook). And I believe in the traditions of fairness in America. I just wish we had stood by our ideals in dealing with the rest of the World, instead of cutting moral corners right and left. We used to be the example for the rest of the World. I want us to be that again.

Meanwhile, Patrick Leahy from Vermont has done a lot of homework that I've seen, and he's in a lot better position than I to make a difference in Washington. If I figure ANYTHING out, I'll let him know :-)

Meanwhile, two good friends are in the process of permanently moving out of the US, mainly because of their feelings about their children heading for the age where they may have to get into the next Dumb Fight. And I'm more than a little worried about my 10 Grandchildren!

There's no clearly good answer anywhere in the World. We Humans seem to screw up All Over...

[longliner45]

yea terry china is a graet country if you dont have a job ,,they will get you one ,,if you make a mistake ..dont worry about court dates,,they dont need to here your side of the story,,,,,,and if you dare say anything against the state...... like you have posed here ,,,they will kill you,,,so much for that ,,,longliner

[Bergalia]

dont you mean ,,,obviose,,,,,,,

This is a general call to all forum readers. I've noticed over the years that Longliner is a regular correspondent, often heated, often funny, and nearly always ready with the pungent comment. However one thing worries me - his keyboard seems to lack a 'fullpoint' (.) This of course maybe something which has not yet reached Ohio - but I'm suggesting if anyone out there has a spare, even second-hand (.) lying around in their garage/shed could they perhaps post it to him. (It will need to be the American/English variety to avoid the use of a translator...):)

[longliner45]

there is no piont in a full point ,,,,,,,,,,,,it never ends here,longliner:)

[Bergalia]

there is no piont in a full point ,,,,,,,,,,,,it never ends here,longliner:)

Touche,,,,,,,,,,,,,:D

[lazeyjack]

This is a general call to all forum readers. I've noticed over the years that Longliner is a regular correspondent, often heated, often funny, and nearly always ready with the pungent comment. However one thing worries me - his keyboard seems to lack a 'fullpoint' (.) This of course maybe something which has not yet reached Ohio - but I'm suggesting if anyone out there has a spare, even second-hand (.) lying around in their garage/shed could they perhaps post it to him. (It will need to be the American/English variety to avoid the use of a translator...):)
oh you mean he,s a loose cannon, shoots then thinks? too late then is it not?

[longliner45]

no jack not a loose canon ,,only fire back ,,after I recieve fire ,,I have only responded to threads in this forum ,,never started with anyone ,,but I will stand up for myself ,,,,by the way did you read the part of this thread where I acually apoligised to you? your ok jack ,,,did you get a shirt yet?longliner

[TerryKing]

...(snip)..Longliner.. his keyboard seems to lack a 'fullpoint' (.)

At first I thought 'longliner' was a reference to some boat manufacturer. Now I see it refers to his LINES in the fora. See,,,his lines never END,,,,they are a stream-of-semi-consciousness...

But, (as Arlo Guthrie said), "That's America". And so we listen to him, and reserve the right to freedom of speech for AND against him (and the POTUS) at all times.

[TerryKing]

yea terry china is a graet country if you dont have a job ,,they will get you one ,,if you make a mistake ..dont worry about court dates,,they dont need to here your side of the story,,,,,,and if you dare say anything against the state...... like you have posed here ,,,they will kill you,,,so much for that ,,,longliner

China is changing faster than any country in history, and I want to be there to see it. They are struggling with ALL the dichotomies of Freedom VS Responsibility, Capitalism VS Control, Productivity VS Pollution, and on and on.

Constant Change is Here To Stay. I just don't like the way America has changed over the past 6 or 7 years.

And you can bet I appreciate WAY more than ever that in America I can tell the President to, as the late, great Kurt Vonnegut said, "Take A Flying **** At A Rolling Doughnut! Take A Flying **** AT The Mooooooooonnn!!"

Now THAT'S a Long Line...

[longliner45]

your right ,,we can say that here ,,the other thing is now they are industrialized,,but using 1950 tecknology ,,they will be polluting more then we have done ,as for the latter ,,I think if you critisize thier govt ,,your dead. oh yea theres that period everyone is crying about ,,,longliner

[lazeyjack]

My third son is Chinese, came to NZ 18, not a word Eng. learnt in quick time, got a math degree honours, and a degree puter eng.
He is now in Melbourne, you could not drag him back for all the tea inChina
Chinese are very cruel people Try get a book the Dragon and the Bear comparing RU , China. , it is shocking
For example, on the street in China, if a man, /woman beats a child, nobody says a thing, that happens in Ru, you get berated left right centre from stangers Only Chinese(I believe, ) drown girl children Nah stick China
But USA be very afraid

[longliner45]

well im gonna give it a rest and work on my boat ,once again my apologys to jack ,,longliner

[Bergalia]

(and the POTUS) at all times.

How long's Potus been a member...

[TerryKing]

I want to say that I'm glad to have this opportunity to talk about "other than boats" here, even though we are brought together by a love for that mixture of Freedom, Technology, Hands-On Hard Work and Wide Water that Boats bring to us. We can hopefully keep Political Speech (In the US Supreme Court definition) out of the rest of these forums, but have this "Open Discussion" here.

I don't want to talk only with people from my ideological and geographical and linguistic back yard.

For instance, there's this guy :P

your right ,,we can say that here ,,the other thing is now they are industrialized,,but using 1950 tecknology ,,they will be polluting more then we have done ,as for the latter ,,I think if you critisize thier govt ,,your dead. oh yea theres that period everyone is crying about ,,,longliner

The cool thing is that China has an incredible mixture of new (The I-Pod is made in Shenzhen where I'm going) and old (Hand-dug small coal mines, and boats made by hand-sawing logs). Photos below... Notice the high-rise buildings in the background.

Longliner, I don't know what China's all about, but I'm gonna go see. And I'm gonna get one of those old Boats On The Water myself.

[longliner45]

I dont know what china is all about either terry,but I do know google has helped in tracking down dissedents that speak out against the state,,online,,longliner

[longliner45]

and in the future,,if you take points from jack,please leave your name ,,so he will know who to hate ,,,longliner

[hansp77]

Jack,
Try not to get too upset with those nameless negative feedback's.
I say TRY, because it takes a lot of effort.
It bugs the hell out of me, but I try to get past it.
Someone reading through the old archives gave me one recently for my thread a while back on the seal shooting down here in Melbourne (that quickly degraded into another thread on global warming).
Quite simply they posted, "Think you got it backwards Hans"...
Well, I don't mind a bit of criticism, but it aint much use unless they at least identify what they are talking about. And it is only polite and decent to leave your name IMO.

But Jack,
chill out a little mate,
There are plenty of other places on the net to flame eachother, and pick upon obvious differences. I may not agree with everything he (or others here) thinks, most immediately on guns and gun control, but I don't give a damn about that. Longliner's is a good guy, a good member, and I love hearing about his wooden boat he is building. Besides the point, he has apologized, so drop it already would ya.

I have been easily as guilty as others for getting political here (mostly about environmental issues), but try not to do it anymore. I think this forum is a lot better than others for the general code of avoiding these sorts of political debates (once they degrade to destructive fights rather than constructive conversation).

anyway, if you wanna blow off a bit of steam about this sort of stuff, and like to do it in a boat themed environment, take it over to the bilge (http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/forumdisplay.php?f=5) at the WBF (or somewhere). Plenty of good arguments to be had over there, plenty of flaming and happy enemies...

I say bring your best to this forum, and leave your differences behind.
IMHO.:)

Hans.

[charmc]

China is changing faster than any country in history, and I want to be there to see it. They are struggling with ALL the dichotomies of Freedom VS Responsibility, Capitalism VS Control, Productivity VS Pollution, and on and on.

Constant Change is Here To Stay. I just don't like the way America has changed over the past 6 or 7 years.

And you can bet I appreciate WAY more than ever that in America I can tell the President to, as the late, great Kurt Vonnegut said, "Take A Flying **** At A Rolling Doughnut! Take A Flying **** AT The Mooooooooonnn!!"

Now THAT'S a Long Line...

Terry,

You just pointed out the best aspect of America. Here, however much you don't like the current President, you know 2 things with utter certainty:
1. Every 4 years, you and the rest of us have a chance to change things. It doesn't work as well as it should, and it was never the direct popular election far too many uneducated ****** keep thinking it is, but it happens. Every 4 years.
2. Meanwhile, as you said, you can say anything you want to about the guys in office: call them names, use obscenities, whatever you want. Have at it, my friend, knock yourself out. Some will call you worse names, some will cheer you on. One thing is absolute: you won't have your freedom curtailed.

I know that you won't ever dare try that in China, or in far too many countries around the world.

I'm not arguing with you, Terry, I'm supporting you. I've traveled and lived overseas, even lived behind the Iron Curtain, back when there was one. I enjoy getting away from the tourist spots and getting to know the locals. You're going to have some great tales to tell over the next few years. Just don't let your dislike for one government overcome your knowledge of what's good about our land.

There's a lot to be said for being able to tell POTUS to f___off. More than most people appreciate.

[charmc]

your right ,,we can say that here ,,the other thing is now they are industrialized,,but using 1950 tecknology ,,they will be polluting more then we have done ,as for the latter ,,I think if you critisize thier govt ,,your dead. oh yea theres that period everyone is crying about ,,,longliner

Hey, longliner,

You're right about the pollution. I know they have a right to advance, but, the knowledge of how bad pollution is is out there for everyone to see, so there's no excuse anymore. One of China's big problems someday will be the final realization by well over a billion people that a bunch of self-appointed old geezers has been treating them like cr__ for years. The word now is "Go make money, any way you can, don't worry about poisoning the earth, we don't care about that cr__ anyway, but don't step out of line, and don't complain if we take your land 'cause we decided to give it to some foreigners or use it ourselves, or we'll throw your ass in jail or worse". The problem is that you can't get off or stop that juggernaut once you start it, as the government will discover someday.

I wore the same green suit you once did, back in the late 60's - early 70's. Spent some time behind the Iron Curtain, too. I realized after meeting many Russian soldiers and Eastern European civilians that that system would crumble from within. Technology was advancing and the ordinary people were starting to get radio and TV from the West, and knew their governments were lying to them. It happened much quicker than I imagined, but I knew it was inevitable. China will have a wakeup someday, IMHO.

Meanwhile, I just hope Terry doesn't ever complain about the Chinese gov't..... (I like periods/points :D :D ).

[westlawn5554X]

He... and Sean H and gotten all these for his thread...:)

[charmc]

That's enough Rayk...Now go to your room....
Lazey has as much right as any other member to express his 'personal' opinion. He takes 'crap' and takes it well when it has a name behind it.
Anonymous attacks are nobetter than assassination.
So he he pisses people off some times. Don't we all. But for god sake man what a whimperish world we would live in if we all agreed all of the time. Might as well be nodding dogs...:mad:

Yea, but the challenge of trying to refute someone else's contrary ideas is so much more fun and interesting. Namecalling and personal slagging is going for the easy cheap shot.... borrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnng.

We're all agreed that anonymous negative feedback is lowlife scum stuff ... OK, that's it. Now let's get back to proving why the other guy's ideas are weak, illogical, or just not as elegant as our own. :) :)

[charmc]

He... and Sean H and gotten all these for his thread...:)

Maybe Sean H is really the reincarnation of Dr Pavlov.....:)

[lazeyjack]

That's enough Rayk...Now go to your room....
Lazey has as much right as any other member to express his 'personal' opinion. He takes 'crap' and takes it well when it has a name behind it.
Anonymous attacks are nobetter than assassination.
So he he pisses people off some times. Don't we all. But for god sake man what a whimperish world we would live in if we all agreed all of the time. Might as well be nodding dogs...:mad:

I have never until now said anything personal abt anyone, even to longlip, who insulted me, thanks , you and afew others are gentleman,

[PI Design]

Jack,,cant take the negative feed back ,,back now ,,it wont let me ,,,Im sure you are a good human,,,,alott like me I am sorry for calling you names,,,I felt provocked,from what I can tell ..you work hard for a living,so far I like you the most ,,,but please .......put some cloths on ,,,at least a t shirt,longliner,,,,,,,,your turn

Did you see this LJ?

You're wasting your breath being cross, so you might as well be happy.:)

[Bergalia]

That we need a nun or at least a school marm here. ....:)

Bags I'm the nun, Charley (the wife says I've got dirty habits) and you be the school marm. Wear those black stockings you sport when the fleet's in town....
:D

[charmc]

Wear those black stockings you sport when the fleet's in town....
:D

True, I do so love black stockings, but sorry, mate, I'm not the one wearing them .... sure enjoy looking at them, though. :D

[PI Design]

Its always seemed odd to me that more women don't wear stockings. As I keep telling my wife, you don't have to throw them all away when one leg gets a ladder, so they're much cheaper than tights in the long run.;)

[Bergalia]

True, I do so love black stockings...sure enjoy looking at them, though. :D

For you Charley - the wife took this sneak shot of me the other night as I was putting my kilt on....
:)

[charmc]

For you Charley - the wife took this sneak shot of me the other night as I was putting my kilt on....
:)

As my beloved tells me, "You men are so easily distracted>" I can only nod in agreement...:)

[charmc]

I can just picture Sean H, rolling on the floor, laughing hysterically.:P