DOLPHIN MASSACRE in Japan !!!

[brian eiland]

This was sent to me just a few days ago. It is PAINFUL to watch:!: :!:

This is some of the most graphic and disgusting footage I've seen in quite some time. It is beyond disturbing and makes me sick. Hopefully this petition will help stop it.

Dear Friends and lovers of the ocean,
Sometimes the ocean needs our help, and this is one of them,
To view the video is very disturbing, to not act in stopping such behaviour would be a travesty ...

At the very least please sign this online petition. Lovers of the ocean and it's inhabitants - this is a clear call to action...... To do nothing is to approve of it.

Please take the time to look at the video and sign the online petition. From little things, big things grow........

And then send it on to as many like minded people that you know. If we build the numbers, we will be heard eventually and things will change, one way or the other

Please help! We must change the way people think about their oceans and inhabitants for the good of us all.

Captain Tim Dean

Calypso Fishing Adventures


Click on links below:


The video - http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin (http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin)

The petition - http://www.petitiononline.com/golfinho/ (http://www.petitiononline.com/golfinho/)

[Mikey]

That is sad, a disturbing act made by disturbed people, petition signed and links passed on to all my Swedish friends

[longliner45]

not so much a distubing act,,people need to eat ,this is ancient japanees way,,, it has 2 benifits for the japanees fisherman ,,it eliminats preditor that eats his fish ,,and feeds his people,,just like in ohio when we hunt deer,,it is just a brutal fact of life ,for a Island nation with no room to grow crops or graze cattle ,,,,,,,, perhaps thing will change ,,,im not for it, and I dont approve of it ,but I understand it.....longliner

[Ari]

Any slaughter house will have blood sprayed everywhere, be them for buffalo, cows, pig, chicken, tuna, dolphin or human being(showed on tv news everynight). I'm not Japanese and not fond of them and dolphin is not in my menu but beef and chicken is. I had work in slaughter house before and the scenario is more or less the same.Should we ban killing of tuna and other fish? big blue tuna are bigger than the dolphin, anchovy?During the mad cow disease how many millions cow shot dead and dump in England, o.k exported to Australia I heard. The bird flu issue - H5N1 virus, millions of birds killed and dump. At least the Japanese are eating it.Not just dumping it because it is not suitable for human consumption.It is their food.Maybe we should take Buddha advise and become vegitarian.:confused:

[Frosty]

Thats an interesting point anout the thousands of cattle destroyed during the mad cow desease. However I think that the desease could be passed on with consumtion of said meat.

On the other hand bird flu --we are told will not, and if cooked correctly can be eaten as normal.

Would it have cost so much more money to have processed the birds and given a hell of a lot of food to the starving in Africa and other places.

Obviously the enormous ammount of meat could not be sold on the Uk market or the price of meat would drop,--couldnt have that, could we?

I saw footage of the British throwing onto a fire live chickens ,some were trying to fly away whilst on fire.

The japaneese massacre was badly narated and exagerated. The Dolphins were not hacked to death while still alive as said . They were however blead to death by cutting the throat, an accepable and neccesary death especially in the Muslim faith.

It is not a nice movie but death isnt. Have you ever seen a wilderbeast be eaten alive by Hiena's. They dont kill like a lion. Its happening as we speak and has done for thousands of years.

I have to stand with Longliner.

[Raggi_Thor]

I didn't look at the pictures, but I tend to agree with Ari.
A photo series or a movie from a slaughter house will also be very disturbing. Still most people eat meat. Eating a reindeer or a seal that had a happy life until the last minute is for me less disturbing than eating a chicken or a pig that never saw daylight and never was able to move.

[brian eiland]

Cultural Differences

I followed the link and was just absolutely horrified by what I saw. I will sign the petition, as well as pass this e-mail to every single person in my address book in addition to posting this on every forum I have ever submitted to.

While I in no way condone what the Japanese do as far as it concerns their fishing practices, I have to remain mindful that their culture is very different from ours in respect to how they view and place importance upon the lives of other creatures. I imagine that if you were to look at their situation without feeling/emotion, you might draw the conclusion that they are doing what they can to feed themselves in spite of very little in the way of natural resources due to their relatively tiny land mass.

I have actually seen worse from the Japanese (and to any of you who wish to chastise me for making an ethnic sterotype as you read this please understand what I am about to write of is considered a delicacy in Japan). I am really into food and was watching a program about food in Japan. In this program they showed some folks at a restaurant order the house specialty-- deep fried cat! Did they go and get a dead, skinned gutted cat from the fridge to fry? No, of course not, they need this delicacy to be fresh, so they do the following: they went to a cage with a bunch of cats in it, armed with a stick with razor blades attached to the end; they swing the weapon and strike a cat in the head; as soon as they have struck the cat enough times to incapacitate it they skin it and then throw it into the fryer. I almost vomited watching this-- the show was VERY graphic. It just shows that the Japanese have very, very little regard for life other than human life.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not a member of PETA, not a vegetarian or a vegan. No, I don't agree with people eating cats, dogs, whales, dolphins, or animals that our culture has domesticated and used for our personal enrichment. However, I do understand that the cows I so love and bloodthirstily devour are revered in Hindu religion, and that there are other examples I could state. The point is this-- if you have to kill an animal for survival, do it with some measure of respect. In the case of this video, if you have to kill dolphins, which totally ticks me off, then at least have the decency to grab a shotgun and put a slug into the poor little guys brain, right out of the water-- don't drag it on the street behind your ****** little truck, slash it open like your koshering it, then let it writhe anround in agony while it simultaneously suffocates and bleeds out-- that is just downright barbaric.

I bet if any of them every had the pleasure of sharing a wave with a dolphin, as I have on many occasions they would think differently. Who knows-- maybe surfing is the answer.

[kach22i]

For what good it will do, I signed it and posted it in two car forums for others to see.

[fiberglass jack]

i agree with longliner, its a way of life, how many cows per day are slaughtered for burgerking, how many chickens for kfc , just because some one found out that dolphins can communicate with humans and they look pretty and cute, so can a cat if u dont dump its litter it will talk to you, its food caught from the wild, let them catch and eat dolphin if they want, we have the same crap here in canada with the seal hunts, seal taste good i have no problem with someone killing for food,

[kach22i]

slaughtered
Use of that word indicates a quick and efficient if not mercyful ending, as you can see in the video it's nothing like that for the dolphins.

[Roly]

its a way of life
I don't share your apathy.

It is a way of life that is not evolving to meet the needs of the planet and our (human) future. If we have one.
Personally, I love life, but not when I witness barbaric butchery on this scale, to such a magnificient sea mammal.
Our time has noble people, and noble deeds,but these are way out numbered by viscious,violent & avaricious acts towards each other,and other species we should nurture & respect.
These people haven't evolved and it is to our detriment.

The Japanese & others will fish our seas lifeless.

BTW. I will kill to eat.Not dolphins,pets or animals man has a historical affinity with;And not more than I need.
I see "big game" fishing like drunks in a brewery. The thrill of the chase....bollocks....why don't you show your balls and free dive with a speargun for your "sport". 'Cos you are too damn pussy. Or fat & lazy.

[Raggi_Thor]

Hunting for food is acceptable, isn't it?
What about bull fights in Spain? That's much more disturbing for me, very slowly kill the bull, just for fun/sport/show.

[hansp77]

I got this in the mail a few months ago.
made me physically ill.
I don't need to watch that one again.

Signed the petition, for whatever good these things do (I can't think of a single petition I have signed that has ever come about?).

Killing is one thing, and killing dolphins is something I disagree with- but in particular, killing them in the way that they did here... to drag them up onto the cement, to cut their throats and leave them thrashing on the ground dying slowly in agony and stress...that was just disgusting.

[hansp77]

Ragnar,
no offence,
but have you watched the video yet?

You might want to.
Bull fights disturb me too,
but nothing like this did.

[westlawn5554X]

Killing special fishes for food is good but dolphin is the enemies of shark they keep the activity of shark at bay but dolphin also enemies of fishermen as the dolphin group kill skoal of fishes in the sea. So... what ya think? Havent try dolphin sandwich?

Control killing is better than illegal mass fishing of dolphin...

I had let loose a dolphine before the one my uncle try to make into dinner and he was quite mad... so we had octopus that faithful nite and had toothache.

Hans77 look in the bright side... throatcutting make it Halal...

[Frosty]

The japanees did not help themselves when making this film , but it wasnt them that made it. Its doubtfull that they were aware of it.

A camera in search of a good documentary can lie, different days different shots. Im not saying they did but ive seen that done before here in Thailand where the film crews pay for what they want to shoot.

Cutting the throat and bleeding the animal has been an acceptable method of killing for a long time. It is not nice at all. Take a tour round your local slaughter house. It is quite likely you will be as equally disgusted.

I did not like the film, it is awfull.

I was particulary disturbed at one Dolphin that was not panicking but had his head above the water looking at the hell going on.

When you go to your slaughter house look at the animals and talk to the slaughterers, they say the animals know.

Untill I can think of something to do, or some better way,-- I shall bury my head in the sand.

[Raggi_Thor]

OK Hans, I looked at the video.
It's not nice, but it's also very misleading with a mix of unpleasant pictures and the American voice telling as what we are (what we believe) seeing.
I don't know enough about Dolphins to have a strong opinion on this.
Of course, most of us agree with obvious truths like
1) Kill the animals as fast as possible, with as little pain as possible
2) Only harvest the surplus, don't "over fish"
BUT, some of has been fishing?
The fish continue to move long after it's dead.
I always kill the fish with a blow to it's head with the back of the knife and then cut the throat. This is small cod for example. Is that so different? What about the millions of tons of all kinds of fish that are caught by trawlers and suffocated?
So, please tell the Japanese that they shouldn't kill more dolphins than the natural growth, and they should kill them as quickly as possible.

[Roly]

Hunting for food is acceptable, isn't it?

Eating dolphins? I would just as soon eat humans.

Tonight I am so incensed I cannot sleep. Tomorrow I will bury my head next to yours.::(

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[hansp77]

Thanks for looking Ragnar.

Viewing these sort of documentary's I take more than a grain of salt, and try to do the interpretation myself.
Interestingly the American voice is that of Joaquin Pheonix whose position on this matter (as a dedicated and sometimes out-spokend vegan) should be no surprise. However, aside from the celebrity hype BS, it does say something that he is prepared to vouch for the legitimacy of this film (something... but maybe not too much).

I also kill my fish the same as you, however I (and I assume you) actually kill the fish with the first blow (after which I cut the throat and sever the spinal cord from the brain just in case). I have a special fish 'donger' and very sharp knife for this.
I feel bad about killing fish, I know they are intelegent, and I know looking into their eyes they (some species more than others) know exactly what is going on...
however, dolphins for me are an entirely different matter.
These are creatures I have grown up with, having surfed and swum with them in my youth pretty much at least every single week. I have a lot of experience with them, and to treat an animal of their immense intelegence, spirit and (often) goodwill, just makes me sick.

Like Roly, I would just as soon kill and eat a human.
Maybe some (if I could stomach them) over others.

[Raggi_Thor]

Except for the killing methods (should be faster, less painful) and the preservation of species, I am afraid it's cultural differences in what we eat, dogs in China for example. I wouldn't like to eat any kind of dog, cat or rat, but others do. Some billion people think I am a sinner because I eat pigs and cows.

[brian eiland]

..The Japanese & others will fish our seas lifeless.

This is very true. The longliners from Japan will quickly decimate an area and then move on. I know they got a contract from Vietnam back in the 90's and I suspect that is pretty scarce fishing now....used to pull HUGH lobster out of there...I wonder now?

And how about our Grand Banks. I was in a museum in Nova Scotia last year and marveled at the Cod and Scallop fishing that once was. Look what's left!!

I have written in the past about a very dangerous sonar threat to our world's oceans, a "Texas Size Zone Kill"
http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9354 (http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9354)

And I had written something similar in a research vessel proposal, "If we permit our oceans to become a cemetery, we may damage its alter ego the atmosphere, and ultimately our planet itself."

Our oceans are a precious resource, even beyond our own imagination. We need more qualified academics in pure oceanography, in contrast to those drawn away into military weapons development or searching/developing oil resources in our seas. We need to get more kids excited about ocean studies,……initiate and perpetuate their interest.

[kach22i]

FYI; Cruelty to animals is against the law in the USA.

The laws seem to center around horses and pets, but it varies from state to state.

Click your state at the bottom once in the link;
http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/dawson/cruelty/cruelty.htm

More information from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruelty_to_animals

Psychological studies have shown that individuals who take pleasure in inflicting harm on animals are more likely to do so to humans.........................

Edit/Example:
http://www.humanesocietytampa.org/education/cruelty.cfm
(2) A person who intentionally commits an act to any animal which results in the cruel death, or excessive or repeated infliction of unnecessary pain or suffering, or causes the same to be done, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s.775.082 or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.

Florida Marine Patrol (813)272-2516 (Tampa area) investigates cruelty to marine animals (dolphins, rays, sharks, manatees, etc.). For all birds (gulls, pelicans, etc.) or freshwater animal life, call Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. (state agency)

[brian eiland]

...Psychological studies have shown that individuals who take pleasure in inflicting harm on animals are more likely to do so to humans.........................
Ask some of our WWII Pacific veterans

[westlawn5554X]

People feel more attached to dolphine problem because they are mammals like us and feel great urge to eat salmon? The bredding of salmon have actually endangered the wild salmon because of the mix of two and produce a new gen of weaker species so... which is more evil? with human intervention?

[longliner45]

brian eiland -- ( This is very true. The longliners from Japan will quickly decimate an area and then move on. I know they got a contract from Vietnam back in the 90's and I suspect that is pretty scarce fishing now....used to pull HUGH lobster out of there...I wonder )now?;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;its not the longline boats ,,its the massive perse siene boats ,that kill everything,longliners only target certain spiecis,,,dolfin dont bite anything dead or anything artificial,,and on longline boats the bycatch is used for bait,,,longliner

[brian eiland]

...its not the longline boats ,,its the massive perse siene boats ,that kill everything,longliners only target certain spiecis,,,dolfin dont bite anything dead or anything artificial,,and on longline boats the bycatch is used for bait,,,longliner
Sorry about that misnomer, I knew better but I think its become usual talk to refer to many of the Japanese fishing vessels as longliners.

Interesting that Dolphins are intelligent enough to skip dead and artificial bait. Their intelligence and communication abilities are one reason I have real trouble considering them as a food source. They may ultimately have many faculties developed to a greater extent than us 'humans'. I don't think we should just classify every living thing below us as a food source

[longliner45]

Im with you there,Brian ,,also dolfins can kill prey with ultrasonic sound ,,paralizing their pray ,,they spend 90 % of their time playing ..I try to live by a creed ,,change the things I can ,,,and have the wisdome to know the things I cannot change,,,I belive it is wrong to kill them ,,period ,but I am forced to look at it from a japanees fishermans point of view ,,,that has been around for centuries,,,,same as whales ,,they are intellegent also,,and blackfish,,and believe it or not ,,,sharks,,they dont get to be 200 yrs old being dumb ,,the only way I can look at it is like this ,,he has people to feed ,,it is him or the fish (,ya gotta look at it through his eyes,,,longliner)

[Roly]

I don't think we should just classify every living thing below us as a food source

Can't agree more!

Hats off to you Brian, keep that light burning bright.

My daughter has just graduated B.Sc. (biology) and is current doing her
masters in marine. Hopefully she will be part of the awareness process to turn things around. There are a lot of young people now that will not eat commercially caught (wild) fish, and I find that heartening.
As an aside, I have warned Asians in this country of our fishing laws because of their absolute indiscrimination of catch, in terms of sze,species & quantity.
They scrape the rocks bare! If its there , take it is their attitude.

[longliner45]

of the young people who wont eat commercially caught fish,how many are parked at mcdonalds tonight? its ok to eat wild fish and farm raised fish,longliner

[Roly]

The point they are trying to make is that current commercial fishing is not sustainable, therefore they will not support it. Commercial fishermen should support lower quotas if they want their industry to survive.
Territorial waters,and the protection they bring, should be increased in size and an international management
plan introduced, or our oceans are doomed.

of the young people who wont eat commercially caught fish,how many are parked at mcdonalds tonight?

Good point, longliner! But at least they are aware enough to avoid the "fillet of fishburger" which tastes like crap anyway.Whose perfect? Better than stickin your head in the sand.
After the "no-mould" thing happened a few years back most everyone gave up their mac fests.

[longliner45]

commercial fishing tends to be self policiing,,,,,when a spiecies is no longer able to return a profit ,,the fisherman will adapt to another fisheries or go belly up himself , my piont being ,,,,a 30 lb yellowfin grouper ,takes about 20 yrs to get to this size. ,,if I have a boat payment of 1000 us and a insurance payment of 2500 us ,,fuel ,bait, ice groceries fishing gear , and maintanance,,and dock fees ,,and shares for my crew,,I have to catch ,,,lets say 5000lbs of fish per trip to remain profitable enough to ,,,,if this trip only takes 3 days ,,that is good,,if it takes me 10 days to reach payload ,,that is bad ,so I must switch to something more profitable, thus giving the yellowfin another 20 or 30 years to replenish,and it looks good on paper,,,,,or you can adapt and become a powerlineman ,,build a sailboat ,and dream of the day you can charge offshore with your son and nephew,,trolling for monsters,,,,,if we give the fish a rest ,,nature will take care of herself,,longliner

[brian eiland]

....if we give the fish a rest ,,nature will take care of herself,,longliner
Tell that to the cod fishermen up on the Grand Banks:rolleyes:

[longliner45]

brian ,,,, I am a displaced commercial fisherman,,,,,,,,as for the cod fisherman ,,it was a shame about giviing our grounds to the canadians ,,,,,,,(,georges banks) but now you are talking about something I understand first hand ,,;;;;;;by the way brian ,,I worked the Holland out of hampton va ,,was raised there ,,done some crabbin,,,,and oysters,,,,,,longlined in the gulf of mexico ,,,,,man it was great ,,,,outran some mexican gunboats a few times ,,,,,,,,for tresspassing ,,,,,longliner

[brian eiland]

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about it. I just visited that museum up in Lunnenburg where a good friend bought a house. I marveled at the photos of the huge catches of fish (both size and amount) made there in the old days. I understand the situation is bleak these days

[longliner45]

yes it is ,,,but it is the situation (we ALL have to deal with these days),,,and Brian I admire your honesty ......longliner

[Roly]

How much of an "expert" do you have to be to see the folly in it. Easy pickin's
and greed are the reason; And high world prices drive dwindling stock to levels that will take half a century to replenish. If ever, to re-establish previous, heathy specie balance.
Another, monumental raping of a resource.
With global warming and resource mismanagement we are extrapolating into the unknown.
The more you research the carbon cycle, ocean nutrients,plankton et al, the
more you would not like to know........sad, and scary.

[Frosty]

How much of an "expert" do you have to be to see the folly in it. Easy pickin's
and greed are the reason; .

Well,-- yup that just about boils it down, Oh and every other human made disaster on the planet.

Because they are mamals seems to be a problem, why? because we think that they might be able to think? So if they couldnt think and didnt know then that would be better? How far do we go down the animal chain to find something thats easy to kill,--A fish--an ant?

Why is it so easy to kill a fly? is it because it is small? It wriggles around on the floor trying to survive with its wings buzzing--but thats funny, it makes us laugh. What is the difference?

Here in Thailand we have a member of the roach family called a Jinglee I think it is. This liitle fury thing moves ever so slowly. It sits in your hand, its head moves around and looks at you. It IS A COCKROACH. Could you kill it as it sits on your hand looking at you.

The problem here is death and the taking of a life, a life that is fighting for its survival. It is also how WE ourselves judge that animals life, and if we think that it has one.

Who throws live crabs into boiling water, Is that ok? Why because crabs arent mamals and the dont look like they are enjoying life much and dont interact with humans.

Millions of shell fish die that way every day.

Is it ok to throw petrol over a whole colony of ants and set fire to them?

At a certain time of year ( It said that) Dolphins are surounded and slaughtered in the same way we kill a cow -pig or sheep.

It looked very well organised and looked quick.

What do you want them to do lethal injection--blind fold.

Ive said it before and ille say it again --go to your local slaughter house and look at the cow as it walks up the ramp to its slaughter. Dont tell me its mood isnt different.

[kach22i]

You should know wrong when you see it.

Dang, I sound just like my father.:D

[kach22i]

UPDATE 03/29/2007

The perception (in the West) that Dolphins are special started with the ancient Greeks, and continues today. I foud this old book cover, and thought this would be a good place to post it.

http://www.multihullsmag.com/store%206.htm
http://www.multihullsmag.com/store/Books/Magic%20of%20Dolphins.jpg
The Magic of Dolphins

by Dr. Horace Dobbs
There has existed an extra-special relationship between dolphin and man from the earliest times on.

One reason for this is the dolphin’s love of fun and companionship. They enjoy the company of humans, diving beneath people while they are swimming, riding the bow waves of boats, and even piloting them through difficult waters.

The other significant factor is the dolphin’s re*markable intelligence. Dr. Horace Dobbs describes some amazing encounters with dolphins in the wild, and demonstrates that the dolphin not only lives at peace in his habitat, but can bring happiness to humans.

Dr. Dobbs, one of Britain’s pioneers of underwater photography, founded The Oxford University Research Group in 1963. He is also founder and director of International Dolphin Watch. Although a Fellow of the Royal Society of Medicine, he gave up a career in medical and veterinary research in order to devote his life to his passion for dolphins.

#309 Softcover, 6 1/2" x 8 1/2", 88pp, many color and b&w photos …$9.95...Now $5.00

[Jellyfish50]

A.......Maybe we should take Buddha advise and become vegitarian.:confused:

Don't need religion to become vegetarian. Just common sense. But I did it 45 yrs ago for vanity (to get rid of acne). Have not looked back since, no ill side effects. But I realise that it must have created a lot of good Karma, always been extremely lucky.

In contrast over 6 billion (with a B) animals are slaughtered every year in North America alone. Can't be good for their Karma.

Fishing and hunting is even worse as it depletes wild species, many on the brink of extinction.

Don't single out Japan, even though they seem to be among the worst offenders. Many Dolphins are killed during capture for animal entertainment venues and zoos in EU and the Americas. I'm also disgusted about fishing of large species (tuna, swordfish, shark ect) and dragging for shrimp, diving for lobster and sea urchin ect ect., long-lining, gill-netting, disposal of the 80% by-catch and other atrocities. -- No to mention whaling and seal-hunting.

[lazeyjack]

i agree with longliner, its a way of life, how many cows per day are slaughtered for burgerking, how many chickens for kfc , just because some one found out that dolphins can communicate with humans and they look pretty and cute, so can a cat if u dont dump its litter it will talk to you, its food caught from the wild, let them catch and eat dolphin if they want, we have the same crap here in canada with the seal hunts, seal taste good i have no problem with someone killing for food,
are you missing the point a dolphin has a brain larger than ours, a cow gets killed knowing nothing about whats going on
I show a cow once for meat on my farm, the other cows came and looked , quite happily, whereas dolphins cry when their kin are killed
yes your sealers are a butcherous bunch of criminals too, CRAP? I think you are full of it How would you like a tiger to come slaughter your family?

[longliner45]

lazy jack ,,go to a slaughterhouse,,,,,,and look at the faces of cattle,,,,,,they know,,,remember this next time you pull into burgerking,,or go into a hog pen and kick a little hog around ,,and see how fast momma bites a piece of you off........or go into a chicken house and grab a chick,see what happens,,dolphins are not complete angels ,,they kill bay porpoise all the time because they compete for the same food ,,the older dolphins are called blackfish,,,,about 20 ft long ,they are smart enough to hang around fishing boats and take thier pick...usually only eating the filits of fish ,,so much for the saying that nature only kills what it will eat.,also the smily faces is not a smily face at all ,it is a pre,requeset to bite ,,they are beautifull creatures,,,,but arent all creatures beautifull?,longliner

[longliner45]

jelly,,,disposal of 80% by catch,,cmon,,get some real states,,,,,you obviosly have never been on a boat,tuna good ,,all the other stuff good to eat too.lets touch on another subject ,,,deer ,here in ohio ,,there is more deer now then when the adina indians walked this earth,,,,because now there is corn fields ,,,and open space ,,,deer need open space ,,now the first 5 rows of corn go to the deer ,deer dont plant corn ,,and if not culled they get disease,you tell me which is better ,to hunt and kill the weak ,,,,because you shure arent going to get the strong,or to let them die a miserable death or starvation,,,,,,it just kills me to hear the critisism from people like you that have never hunted or fished ,,,but prpbably ate at burgerking ,,mcdonals or fish house,,,,,,,longliner

[Roly]

You are wrong about that one longliner. I was bought up on a farm hunting & fishing from birth. My father taught me to kill only for food that I needed not for sport. I had landed an 8lb trout by the time I was seven. Not out of a boat either, way up the headwaters, bloody miles.I have chased the dogs after pigs further.If you can't stick it then you don't eat.That is real hunting.
I will still kill to eat but it is with reluctance. Trout tastes like mud, and i find my once taking pleasure in the "sport" of it unreconcileable. I speared a huge 50kg king fish diving once, just pure unadulterated greed.
I was undergeared & I missed its spine by a few cm's and it pulled me all over until the 35kg braid cut over a shelf. I watched that fish circle back with the school;It was the biggest;a dominate fish;longer than me;It trailed a crimson plume & the spear was right tru it. I was helpless to finish the job on that magnificient lifeform. I will never forget leaving that fish to its fate.
I have never speared again.
One of our illustrious all blacks was caught shooting seals with a shotgun for sport;fcuking cretin. He had his day in court as should all those misguided primates who think all other lifeforms are here for our sport.
Some species are no-go, and have to be protected by international law.To think otherwise means there is no future for mankind. Respect for each other and our enviroment are not mutually exclusive.

That said, I am aware of my hypocrisy;But at least I evolved. Imo....

That still make the Japanese who slaughter dolphins butchers,the japanese/chinese who eat live monkey brains despicable,all those of "higher" intelligence who don't dispatch their prey quickly and with respect, an indictment on all of us.
We allow it to happen.

[lazeyjack]

You are wrong about that one longliner. I was bought up on a farm hunting & fishing from birth. My father taught me to kill only for food that I needed not for sport. I had landed an 8lb trout by the time I was seven. Not out of a boat either, way up the headwaters, bloody miles.I have chased the dogs after pigs further.If you can't stick it then you don't eat.That is real hunting.
I will still kill to eat but it is with reluctance. Trout tastes like mud, and i find my once taking pleasure in the "sport" of it unreconcileable. I speared a huge 50kg king fish diving once, just pure unadulterated greed.
I was undergeared & I missed its spine by a few cm's and it pulled me all over until the 35kg braid cut over a shelf. I watched that fish circle back with the school;It was the biggest;a dominate fish;longer than me;It trailed a crimson plume & the spear was right tru it. I was helpless to finish the job on that magnificient lifeform. I will never forget leaving that fish to its fate.
I have never speared again.
One of our illustrious all blacks was caught shooting seals with a shotgun for sport;fcuking cretin. He had his day in court as should all those misguided primates who think all other lifeforms are here for our sport.
Some species are no-go, and have to be protected by international law.To think otherwise means there is no future for mankind. Respect for each other and our enviroment are not mutually exclusive.

That said, I am aware of my hypocrisy;But at least I evolved. Imo....

That still make the Japanese who slaughter dolphins butchers,the japanese/chinese who eat live monkey brains despicable,all those of "higher" intelligence who don't dispatch their prey quickly and with respect, an indictment on all of us.
We allow it to happen.

you learnt your lesson Roly as we all do, those that dont, well just a pityful excuse for humanity

[longliner45]

so how am I wrong ,,,,,I only kill for food also ,,and I was also RAISED on a farm too......also dont like sport fishing boats that catch sharks and whatnot just to take a picture of it,,longliner

[Raggi_Thor]

Catch and release is really stupid, barbaric, playing with fish like toys...
Hunting for food is probably better for the animals than huge factory-like farms for breeding chicken and pork.
Pigs in the slaughter house are really scared.
So, saying that pictures of blood and animals being killed is bad, that's just too simple. I guess that wasn't anything new :-)

[rayk]

Just had a look at the video.
Voice over and background music is a real tear jerker.

I saw animals being processed into food.
Industrial hunting is a grisly thing to watch.
Farming is a little more orderly, and something westerners are used to.

Tough luck dolphins, your number was up.
Dolphins are animals. Humans eat animals.

[longliner45]

so raggi,,,,when was the last time ya had a burger?

[Roly]

Tough luck dolphins, your number was up.

People with your mentality and I can only feel sorry for Rayk.
Hope all your bad luck doesn't come at once.

[rayk]

Roly, so glad to see you remember your manners.

By the way, who asks for your pity? Has it got a dollar value?
If not, it is worthless.

Hope is a precious commodity; if you are hopeless.
Keep hoping Roly.

You need to work in an abattoir for a couple of weeks.
You need to harden up.

[Raggi_Thor]

I eat burgers and other kind of meat regularly :-)
I prefer fish ("wild cod" over "domestic salmon").
When I eat meat I prefer lamb.

[Roly]

While we are on cliche's
Roly, so glad to see you remember your manners.

Stand up a be counted or forever regret. What use are your manners when your values are flawed.
Has it got a dollar value?

:) That just about sums you up,and a good proportion of humanity.
Keep hoping Roly.

"Hope springs eternal", fortunately I'm blessed.......
You need to work in an abattoir for a couple of weeks.
You need to harden up.
I remember a bit of blood thirst in my youth,pig hunting, and killing for sport.
I don't choose to now;I am comfortable with my new values;I would rather be soft than heartless.

[Roly]

....longliner...I meant not everyone sensitive to the plight of our animals refuses to kill,or eats b/king, or doesn't take responsibility for the food they eat. You and I aint that different. I just see certain things as barbaric.
I would rather cook my own food anyway.
I ain't that polite about it.
For that I apologise.

[StianM]

I watched the movie and did not sign anny petition.

I disliked the things i did see. The if they fishermen brought a few rifles and and had clean head shots on the annimals I would have no problem with it.
I did not sign the petition simply because it don't seam to be against animal abuse, but this peoples culture.

Whatabout those resturants in the US or anny other place off the earth for that mather where people open oysters and eat them alive with lemon juice?
How would you feel if I put lemon juice in your eye befour I sucked it out off your head to consume it?

There is a night market here where the snakes is hold up for show, drained for poison befour there throat is cut and thy blead to death. Blood, poison and meat are consumed, but nobody seam to care about that.

1 dolphin can feed 100 people and 2fish one person. Is it bether that 200 fish suffer than one dolphin?

My father in law used to eat dog when he was young. I don't blame him for that. People can eat whatever they want for me as long as it's killed as human as posible.

[Frosty]

I agree, I like meat, I want to eat meat.

The best meal I ever had was the leg of a Tiawan person in a vietnam resteraunt, with chips of course.

They offerd me a dog or a fury animal,-- but I went for the best suculant leg of Taiwan, mmmmm. With mustard.

[StianM]

I'm glad I'm not Taiwanese with people like our dear jack frost around.

[Frosty]

Well what nationality are you then?

I can eat almost anything after a few beers. Are you french? I would rather have a frogs leg.

Do you have frogs legs?----Must be difficult getting your trousers on?

[StianM]

Well what nationality are you then?


Do you think I will tell you now:D

[charmc]

I agree, I like meat, I want to eat meat.

The best meal I ever had was the leg of a Tiawan person in a vietnam resteraunt, with chips of course.

Thanks for lightening things up a bit, jack. It was needed. This type of thing creates strong emotions, on both sides.

I was shocked by the starkness of the video, yet I know it was edited and had sounds and a script designed to manipulate my feelings. Someone said the narrator was a young American Hollywood liberal. He and others talk of boycotting Japanese products, demand that the government impose trade sanctions because of this horrible cruelty .... then they fall all over themselves saying how wonderful the Japanese are for making the Toyota Prius hybrid auto, demanding that the government make it easier for people to buy them from the Japanese. Either they have the attention span of a bug, or the answers aren't so easy. .... Probably both.

Killing to collect something we want but don't need, as in elephants for ivory, sharks for fins, any animal just for its fur, etc....That's just wrong, never OK.

Killing fish, chickens, cows, pigs, etc. for food, well that's natural. There I think we have an obligation to have it done without suffering or pain, if possible and for the living conditions to be as humane as possible. Biologically, humans are omnivores. We didn't have the choice to become vegetarians until civilization was developed. Being a strict vegetarian is a choice of prosperity. The subsistence farmer or coal worker in Appalachia in the US, the majority of the populations in much of the world, all eat what they can obtain, and many can't afford to buy from a store, so it's some grain, some fruit or vegetable, and some meat .... whatever and whenever it can be obtained.

I do believe that intelligence plays into it. I'm against killing whales and dolphin, for any reason. There is far too much evidence of dolphin-human communication for me not to give them a special place. And I like them, dammit!! But the obligation is to protect them, and that means stop polluting the oceans. Fishing, in the "small" sense, works as longliner and others have said, as the species becomes scarcer, switch to something else, give it time to regrow in numbers. Gov't fisheries are bureaucratic and clumsy, but they are trying to get it right. What really makes me angry are the slaughterers, and the Japanese always seem to be in the lead. If the dolphin slaughter is even only half as bad as shown in the video, it's wrong. Those huge purse seines, and the godawful megadrift nets, made of mono so they float around the oceans for years, snaring anything and everything. There is a sickness invading fishing, not limited to the Japanese, and it is the sickness of greed. At the sharp end, the fishermen are trying to make a living. But the huge corporations don't follow the rule of slack off if a species seems harder to get, giving it time to regrow. To them it's all profits, now. Keep fishing, guys, if the species gets scarce, that means we can raise the price. Keep fishing, guys, if there's a lot, we'll pay you less and store it in the freezer warehouses, sell it later when the price is higher. The corporate thinking now is all short term, gotta make higher profits each quarter or the stock will be sold off by the huge funds, and the CEO's stock option won't be worth as much. Future problems?? Don't bother me with that crap, the quarter ends in five weeks, and earnings aren't yet up to the prediction.

I don't pretend to know the answers. Overall, I know we need to understand and accept our role as guardian and steward of the earth. How do we make the greedy ones who control the governments and economies understand?? I don't know.

Let's not beat each other up here. I suspect we're all going in the same direction, just following different paths. The real enemy will never read this forum.

[Roly]

Let's not beat each other up here. I suspect we're all going in the same direction, just following different paths. The real enemy will never read this forum.

So true Charlie, peacemaker.
You are a good man.

[lazeyjack]

What the murderers and rednecks don;t seem to understand, is that Humans can wipe out all the sea mammals, whereas fish can never be wiped out, it simply becomes so unviable to fish, the last fish eggs can never disappear, but whales, dolphins, they could go,
Unfortunately we live with a sub species of"human" these subspecies of which there are many, begat more of their ilk, and their ilk becomes more degenrate, unfeeling, uncaring , murderrous
There are a fair few on this forum,

[Roly]

Be that as it may, how do we "adjust" their perspective.
Are their children as monsterous? Hopefully not.We often look at some of our
parents views with a hint of scorn or downright distrust.How could a child be so malignant. Only out of instinct to survive.

Sunday I watched a pod 20+ of hectors (Maui) playing around the boat.
We were off Piha at 30m.
There are only 100-150 of these mammals left. the rarest dolphin in the world.
Sad but true.:mad:
One paused by the boat an fully eyeballed us. Really uncanny.
You wonder what motivated it to do that.
This species is usually shy.

[BerG]

I'm reading this forum and raging up at you idiots who keep trying to justify this by saying "you eat hamburgers dont you?"

My first job after leaving school was cutting up cattle at a meat works, and I can tell you it was a completely different ballgame to what these savage murderers are doing in this video.

The cattle was herded into some yards on the outside of the building- just a normal yard, like the cattle had been used to being in during their lives.

Then, one at a time, they were moved, nice and calmly, into the shock chanber and the door was closed behind them.

At this point they were probably thinking 'wtf' but about 5 seconds later it was all over as they were given a powerful electric shock to the brain, disabling them instantly and with no pain.

There was no tieing up of the rear legs and dragging down the road.


Besides, you cant compare cattle to dolphins. Cattle are dumb, easy to reproduce, and produce a lot of meat.

I'm not religious, but if I was I would say that its pretty obvious cattle have been placed here to be eaten.

Dolphins on the other hand, are awesome, graceful, intelligent, NEAR EXTINCTION, and clearly not very easy to 'harvest'.


Stop trying to justify this crap, and tell your president to send another nuke at Japan.

[StianM]

I'm reading this forum and raging up at you idiots who keep trying to justify this by saying "you eat hamburgers dont you?"


Well this is the dumbest post so far. Do you have anny idea about how inteligent a cow is? Offcourse not, nobody ever made a IQ test to compare katle and dolphins. Did you ever see wild catle? I gues that means catle would be instinct allready if we did not have those farms.

And electric shock trough the brain you say? I have worked as a electrician for years and I know that electricety hurts. I don't hear annyone here complaining about the jews cutting the throat on live lambs to give to god, but then it's more easy to atack some yellow crap in asia than some guys in midle east having wide political suport in the west.

I think some catle is great looking so that dolphins look bether is just personal preference. I eat Hamburger, chicken, whale, dear, fish and I also tryed to consume snake. Judging other cultures by what they eat is a sighn off low education and understanding. They can kill as manny dolphins as they like for me as long as it hapends painless and without putting too mutch preshure on the population.

The movie was probartly made by some crazy save the dolphin annumals right group where they where going around all off japan trying to fint that 1 person that did not kill in a humane way.

[lazeyjack]

you poat wonderful stuff on Bourbon, but you talk absolute nonsense here

[Raggi_Thor]

1) idiots who keep trying to justify this by saying "you eat hamburgers don't you?"
2)...about 5 seconds later it was all over as they were given a powerful electric shock to the brain, disabling them instantly and with no pain.
3)...Cattle are dumb, easy to reproduce, and produce a lot of meat.
4)..dolphins... NEAR EXTINCTION, and clearly not very easy to 'harvest'.


These are your statements that I find it possible to comment :-)

1) That we eat meat is a critical point. If you eat pigs (that are quite intelligent and have hearts that we can transfer to humans!) then I find hard to use the dolphins intelligence as an argument for not eating it. We can mention other animals also; apes, dogs, cats for example.

2) Yes, a quick and painless death is preferable! But you have to take the quality of the complete life into consideration. Many animals kept to produce food live their lifes under terrible conditions. The transport to the slaughterhouse is often quite horrible. You may have seen some European documentaries. Dolphins should of course be killed as quickly as possible. In general hunting may result i a more painful death than in a slaughterhouse, but the animal had the opportunity to live a natural life for some years before those last minutes.

3) I don't know if they are dumb. They look quite social to me. They make friends. One cow gives more meat than 100 chicken. So it's better to kill one cow than 100 chicken? What about a whale? One killing gives tons of food :-) What's your logic here?

4) I don't know what species this was, what kind of dolphin. Do you?

[rayk]

I have got the perfect avatar for you BerG.

Welcome to the forum, and I disagree whole heartedly with your first post.

Regarding Japan, lets put this country in perspective by undertaking a little thought experiment.

Move half the population of the USA into the state of California.
Encourage them to dispose of their garbage nicely.
Feed them.I have noticed that when the argument becomes heated, there is always an animal lover who will suggest harming humans to defend an animals life.
Animal killers simply want to kill animals and use them. It is one of the benefits of hovering around the top of the food chain.

Both camps talk of cessation of life, but the animal lovers up the ante to homicide.

[longliner45]

dolphin,,,,,and porpose...live at every coast and bay ,,in the world that makes for allot,,,not to mention ,,they are in every ocean and sea ,,,if the japanees want to eat all thiers ,,thats their busisness,,, there is a differance between dolphin and porpose,,dolphins live in bays and shallow waters ,porpose live off shore,,,there is also blackfish,,also live off shore .longliner

[rayk]

Our oceans are a precious resource, even beyond our own imagination. We need more qualified academics in pure oceanography, in contrast to those drawn away into military weapons development or searching/developing oil resources in our seas. We need to get more kids excited about ocean studies,……initiate and perpetuate their interest.
Every man woman and child eats seafood almost daily in Japan. They eat anything that grows in the sea. They eat all parts of the thing they are eating. No waste. The man in the street can name a dozen different fish he likes to eat. Just fish.

If you want to know something about fisheries management ask the Japanese. Their ports are full of fishing boats. They havent run out of fish. By catch is given to the fishing co-op. It is shame to throw dead fish back in the water. It is shame to ask for money for untargeted species at the co-op. It is a matter of pride to return with a hold full of quota species.

Google 'japanese oceanography', and that is just the tip of the iceberg in the english language. They study the ocean. There are scores of research vessels in Japan of all sizes. There are hundreds of marine biologists and oceanographers churned out every year. They know a lot about the oceans they fish in.

There are very few military sciences that sap talent.

Japanese kids are stimulated and excited by the marine sciences. It is a noble career choice. Like being a rice farmer.
Fishermen and rice farmers are highly respectable occupations in Japan. Its not for the money either.

Maybe a few western greenies could turn their talent to managing whats left of their own inshore fisheries.

[longliner45]

wellsaid rayk,,and true,,it is not for the money,,but for the furtherment of the people,,a noble cause,as I have stated before ,,,too many talking of too much ,,of things they know nothing about ,,,,longliner

[Roly]

If you want to know something about fisheries management ask the Japanese. Their ports are full of fishing boats. They havent run out of fish.
Perhaps they would rather over exploit the worlds oceans than their own waters.

[rayk]

According to whom? Countries that have depleted their own fisheries? NGO's that dont have the ability to conduct their own research?

[Roly]

No offense Ray, but you seem oblivious to the facts however public they have been.
And,it is widely known that many instances have not been pursued because the "timing" was not good and could jeopardise trade deals. "Political capitulation". Highly admirable.
Oct 10, 2003
A five-month probe has ended with the seizure of one of the largest boats fishing in New Zealand for having too much hoki.
Fisheries Ministry officials boarded the Japanese owned and operated vessel on Friday morning.
They allege it has been catching up to 20% more hoki than has been declared. The hoki quota has been cut by 10% this year to try to ease pressure on dwindling stocks.


For the first time in 17 years, a Japanese fishing vessel has been detained and fined by ROC authorities for poaching in the ROC's 12-nautical-mile territorial waters.

The Masamaru 58 and its crew of 11 were detained on Jan. 16 when the vessel was caught poaching near Chihsingyen (Seven-star Rock) off Taiwan's southern tip.

After payment of a US$5,455 fine, the vessel and crew were released on Jan. 21 from the Pingtung County port of Tungkang, where it had been held. Its catch of 1,730 kilos of tuna and bonito were confiscated.
It is but the tip of the iceberg.
How many breaches do you want?

http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_070130_1.html
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/219341

You seem like a knowledgeable guy.
But, just what is your agenda?

Countries that have depleted their own fisheries? NGO's that dont have the ability to conduct their own research?

What! So that gives the Japanese the right to take what they like? Because
they have "superior" research. Thats Pearl Harbour mentality.

[StianM]

you poat wonderful stuff on Bourbon, but you talk absolute nonsense here

Why is it nonsense? Because you don't agree?

[rayk]

Public facts suit you on one hand, but it becomes conspiracy in the following sentence.
Secondly Seashepard is not renowned for its hard science, so edit that out of your post Roly.


TVNZ
T (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/240216)here has been a call for a crackdown on fishing pirates at an international conference on the deep sea. (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/240216)
The fishing experts are meeting in Queenstown, but identifying fishing pirates, let alone catching them, is proving to be a problem. (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/240216)

Catching the Catchers
Because hoki swarm to spawn, they present a tempting target to fishermen. Too tempting to some, it seems. Last fall(1998), New Zealand authorities seized four Russian and Ukrainian factory trawlers that were caught fishing for hoki illegally. The boats were caught fishing in a conservation zone around the Hokitika Trench, a major hoki spawning ground off the west coast of the South Island. (http://www.louisianafoods.com/fishfaq/hoki.html)New Zealand’s hoki fishery was developed in the early 1970s by Japanese and Soviet vessels, and to a lesser extent by South Korean vessels in the late 1970s. Prior to 1978 domestic vessels caught less than 1000 tonnes a year. Until the 1987–88 fishing year domestic vessels were still catching less than 10 000 tonnes a year with the majority of the hoki quota being caught by foreign vessels chartered to New Zealand firms. (http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/a0337e/A0337E08.htm)
According to the HFMC, “The new management plan …will build on the current model and should manage the fishery in a long-term sustainable way as well as monitoring the commercial viability of the fishery. The new plan will undoubtedly provide more detail on procedures for such things as mitigating bycatch, trawling methods, ecological risk assessments and processing stock assessments in a timelier manner.”This ambitious goal is consistent with government policy, namely to devolve responsibilities to the industry who, with the right frameworks in place, are better able to manage the fisheries resources at a micro-level than government can hope to achieve. (http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/a0337e/A0337E08.htm)If you follow any link, follow this one Roly. It is about thieving commercial fishermen, and how they are accused in New Zealand.
From simulations, and the data is based on 100 fish per trawl on a vessel that carries observers. Data from one vessel is extrapolated onto the entire fishery. Reported catches are referenced against observations to point the finger at boats.
The Japanese vessel with a hoki quota was right on. Adhering to MoF guidlines. If extrapolation from other foreign vessels is done, then the Japanese vessel would be under reporting.
Operation Maxi. Simulated Total Catches
• We then used R to estimate the total weight of a catch
represented by the declared processed weight.
• We then compared the estimated and declared catch
weights (estimated – declared)
• If instead of the specified processing cut off the MoF
observed processing cut off was used then for each of the 27
vessels we have
15.4 tonnes 24.8 tonnes 14.2 tonnes 9.1 tonnes
Japanese (1) Korean (13) NZ (7) Russian (9)
15.3 tonnes 81.4 tonnes 10.0 tonnes 30.5 tonnes
Japanese (1) Korean (13) NZ (4) Russian (9) (http://www.vsni.co.uk/resources/events/wrapups/Johnstone_Peter.pdf)
How would you handle it diplomatically Roly?
Seizing the Jap vessel is a clear warning to all others, and discharging it again without conviction exonorates them.

NZ companies own quota for Hoki, and charter foreign vessels to catch it.
NZ companies then sell the whole catch to (the same) foreign companies.

Fact is NZ knows sweet FA about its fisheries, and it is doing a poor job.

What is my agenda?
To promote critical thinking that will leave the earth a better place for my species.

While we are quoting from TVNZ, I shall sign off with this fascinating link to another fascinating hardcore piece of investigative journalism.

TVNZ
In polite society, flatulence is considered a social faux pas. But a new study has revealed that in the world of fish, farting is an important social tool. (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425822/235025)

[longliner45]

well jack ,,the bay dolphin,,have small teeth,,,,,,,

[lazeyjack]

well jack ,,the bay dolphin,,have small teeth,,,,,,,,,,and as for me being a poor peasent ,,Im proud to work for a living ,,,perhaps you can take some of your millions and buy spell,check,,,what is that language you speak anyway ,,gin?,,longliner

you presume and assume, only peasents write the stupid thing you left on your neg feedback
for you info I worked since age 14, milking cows, I then worked in the lumber trade, felling for the biggest logging co in the world KLC of CaNADA, I then served an apprenticship, diesels and worked in North Sea Later I started my own yachtbuilding biz
i probably did more work than most do in in a lifetimeI am not rich, hey even Oligarchs can be peasent!! , only puerile ignoramaces leave the sort of muck you left for me.
I dont drink spirits AT ALL but i like a vodka when I am in Russia Sometimes when in a hich state of excitetability I misspell

[lazeyjack]

Fact is NZ knows sweet FA about its fisheries, and it is doing a poor job.


Rayk
I have a friend that lost all his Scampi quota, Winstone Peters and his cronies from Sumovich, conspired to screw the books, , remember that case with TV NZ?
I had first hand knowledge of what went on, It would make you sick, quite literally
But the start of it all was the Lange Government who, gave all of the fish(owned by the paople) to a handful of fishers This then was the start of the quota system, the corruption those fishers became rich overnight Quota became a tradable commodity But at the end of the day just a few inherited the fish stock. How wrong can this be?

[longliner45]

hey jack Im not hiding anything ,,,I have stated openly ,,,longliner

[lazeyjack]

hey jack Im not hiding anything ,,,I have stated openly about,,what a dumbass you are ,,like to milk cows,,,I got something you can milk,,,,longliner

enough said you showed you true colours

[longliner45]

well damn man ,,I tried to talk to ya ,,on a civil level ,,you fired back with more crap,even after I reached out to ya ,,go ahead and share with everyone your pms you sent me ,,Ill share mine ,,and I really meant the last one ,,,longliner

[StianM]

ever been in 500 feet clear blue water, diving? a Mako comes swimming and all the dolphins gather round and sheppard YOU!!look after you
ever seen a dolphine kill a man/
screw you you peasant probably cant even swom


I have walked with cows all my life and milked them. I newer seen a cow kill a man. Still we all eat beef.

[lazeyjack]

I have walked with cows all my life and milked them. I newer seen a cow kill a man. Still we all eat beef.
BUT cows have killed men!! and so have bulls
Stian, is this a Polish name
i cant be bothered anymore
loglip I cant see your filth,

[StianM]

BUT cows have killed men!! and so have bulls


Yes but I have newer seen it and I defently belive there is a few more cows in the world than dolphins.

Killer Whales are actualy dolphins
On February 20, 1991, a group of 3 Orcas (Haida, Nootka, and Tilikum) killed a trainer named Keltie Byrne at Sealand in Victoria, British Columbia (where employees were not allowed in the water with Orcas). After this, and due to Tilikum being bullied by the two females in the tank, Tilikum was relocated to SeaWorld of Orlando, Florida, where he remains. He is currently the largest Orca in captivity.

If there was just as mutch dolphins in and humans in as smal areas as there is in katle and humans I think there defently would be dolphin atacks on humans
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/08/crimean_dolphin_attack/

[lazeyjack]

no not becuz I do not agree but because you compare an intelillgent specie with a cow
you dont go round cutting your cows throats do you!!
Christ sakes Dolphine talk to us, react Sympathise
For the fool who said dolphins kill men, well where is the proof?
Japs will do anything to protect (their)right _ to kill, look at the fukkers in ww2
Norwegians think they have the right to kill whales
well now we are in 2001, not in the time of the Viking

[timgoz]

An Orca in captivity is going to have very a different character than in the wild. Personally I hate to see magnifcant creatures like Orcas & Polar Bears in Zoos and out of thier natural homes.

Orcas & Sea Lions have been known to mess with small (skiff size) boats. They are probably driven more out of curiosity than by any desire to harm anyone.

Take care.

TGoz

[StianM]

no not becuz I do not agree but because you compare an intelillgent specie with a cow
Anny proff that dolphins are more inteligent than cows?

you dont go round cutting your cows throats do you!!
Jews cutt the troat on lamps for god, but it's easier to show the midle finger too some yellow smal eyed asians than god's own people right?

Christ sakes Dolphine talk to us, react Sympathise
I newer heard a dolpin say annything ecept klicking noices, dog's bark and birds sing

For the fool who said dolphins kill men, well where is the proof?

I just posted profe for you. Killer whales are dolphins and there are documented that they have killed people. There is alos ducumented that a guy was almoust drowned by regular dolpins.

Japs will do anything to protect (their)right _ to kill, look at the fukkers in ww2

This actualy start to sound like a rasistic rant. What about the brits protecting there rights to have colonis all ower the world witch the took by violent wars against the native population.

Norwegians think they have the right to kill whales
well now we are in 2001, not in the time of the Viking

And those stupid fuckers in the western world think they can just kill cows and consume pork. I'm shure there is some guys in the midle east and India that disagree about that, but hey that is the white (white power) races supreme culture after all.

[longliner45]

hey man, I didnt expect that from you ,,sorry you feel that way,,,:{dont let one jerk get under your skin...longliner

[lazeyjack]

Stian , if you bothered to read my posts in BD, you will know I have utmost respect for Norwegians
Now calm down

[l_boyle]

I did that few months ago, watched the video, and signed the petition twenty different times..
It is freakin' sad seeing those animal being wasted like that..
If Jacques-Yves Cousteau still alive today, there would be a change..
May they have Tsunamis once a month for hundreds years...

[lazeyjack]

I did that few months ago, watched the video, and signed the petition twenty different times..
It is freakin' sad seeing those animal being wasted like that..
If Jacques-Yves Cousteau still alive today, there would be a change..
May they have Tsunamis once a month for hundreds years...

BRAVO AND well said now wait for the sad jerks to post you neg feedback

[StianM]

May they have Tsunamis once a month for hundreds years...

And may those ignorant americans have a 9/11 once a day for a thousand years just because they have death penalty.

How did that feel? Hurt your proud american felings?
Spain has bull fighting witch is only for show, atleast those japanese do it for food, UK until recently had fox hunting and I newer heard about them eating fox, but just for enjoying to see a pack off dogs tear that poor animals apart while they are alive. Australia had something called niger hunting(atleast that is what I heard) They also did not reconsise the aboriginal as a human race, but as a animal as late as the 60's. They where well into the 90's befour they reonised the aboriginals to be in australia befour them.

Now go and put your proud and superb white culture up your ass.

Just for the record I am a voulenter in a animal rights group here and a japanese guy bought a weelchair for on off our dogs that lost the feeling in her rear legs, we also have some japanese girls droping by now and then to help. I did not see that mutch australians or americans there, but a few canadians and brits.

[l_boyle]

And may those ignorant americans have a 9/11 once a day for a thousand years just because they have death penalty.

How did that feel? Hurt your proud american felings?
Spain has bull fighting witch is only for show, atleast those japanese do it for food, UK until recently had fox hunting and I newer heard about them eating fox, but just for enjoying to see a pack off dogs tear that poor animals apart while they are alive. Australia had something called niger hunting(atleast that is what I heard) They also did not reconsise the aboriginal as a human race, but as a animal as late as the 60's. They where well into the 90's befour they reonised the aboriginals to be in australia befour them.

Now go and put your proud and superb white culture up your ass.

Just for the record I am a voulenter in a animal rights group here and a japanese guy bought a weelchair for on off our dogs that lost the feeling in her rear legs, we also have some japanese girls droping by now and then to help. I did not see that mutch australians or americans there, but a few canadians and brits.

yada yada yada yada yada.... Learn to speak English

[lazeyjack]

And may those ignorant americans have a 9/11 once a day for a thousand years just because they have death penalty.

How did that feel? Hurt your proud american felings?
Spain has bull fighting witch is only for show, atleast those japanese do it for food, UK until recently had fox hunting and I newer heard about them eating fox, but just for enjoying to see a pack off dogs tear that poor animals apart while they are alive. Australia had something called niger hunting(atleast that is what I heard) They also did not reconsise the aboriginal as a human race, but as a animal as late as the 60's. They where well into the 90's befour they reonised the aboriginals to be in australia befour them.

Now go and put your proud and superb white culture up your ass.

Just for the record I am a voulenter in a animal rights group here and a japanese guy bought a weelchair for on off our dogs that lost the feeling in her rear legs, we also have some japanese girls droping by now and then to help. I did not see that mutch australians or americans there, but a few canadians and brits.

yes they shot abos for sport here, and the police still kill em for fun

[l_boyle]

StianM,
yada yada yada yada yada.... Learn to write English...........

[Raggi_Thor]

Stian, du trenger ikke være så uhøflig!
Det hender du opgså har stavefeil, og hva er galt med australsk slæng?

[StianM]

yada yada yada yada yada.... Learn to speak English

你好嗎:D
What a total lack off good arguments. Start to atack others english knowlenge and I speak it just fine thank you, it's the spelling that cause me truble.

yes they shot abos for sport here, and the police still kill em for fun

I doubt that, but we white power dudes don't actualy have the past that give us the right to judge other cultures.

Stian, du trenger ikke være så uhøflig!
Det hender du opgså har stavefeil, og hva er galt med australsk slæng?

Er ikke uhøflig, svarer bare med samme mynt. Og føler meg forpliktet til å forsvare de som selv ikke har muligheten til det.

yada yada yada yada yada.... Learn to speak English Now can you answer a post in 3 diferent languages without spelling annything wrong?

[charmc]

你好嗎:D
What a total lack off good arguments. Start to atack others english knowlenge and I speak it just fine thank you, it's the spelling that cause me truble.

Er ikke uhøflig, svarer bare med samme mynt. Og føler meg forpliktet til å forsvare de som selv ikke har muligheten til det.

Now can you answer a post in 3 diferent languages without spelling annything wrong?

StianM,

I only counted 2 languages, but I'm still impressed. I speak only muy pocito Espanol, kliene Deutch, and un petite peu Francaise. You made your point most eloquently with your first sentence, however. Here's to good arguments and the joy of jousting with ideas!! :)

[Raggi_Thor]

Good point Stian :-)

[im412]

it is an emotive subject
please read the links of the "anti dolphin" cull, even there, its more than meets the eye

it is an annual under 600 dolphin cull for a week, so setting up a proper abattoir would be too dear

http://www.earthisland.org/saveTaijiDolphins/tokyoShimbun.html
http://www.onevoicedolphinproject.com/coalition_in_taiji_october_2005.html
http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2306

they separate out the best-looking dolphins and export them for use in (theme park) circus acts, aquariums and so on

........Those are worth about 100,000 dollars a piece;
The rest are slaughtered and are worth about 600 dollars each

the isl of Taiji for years escaped the prying eyes of animal rights activists,
but the isolation has been abruptly ended by the Internet
– most Japanese people know little about the tradition --
of local bureaucrats and the 26 fishermen who run the hunt. of the town’s 500-odd fishermen

**26 fishermen and the under 600 dolphin quota, once a year cull ..although cruel...comes close to a beat up
especially when they are sold alive $100,000 and $600 dead..if ya ugly
more homeless people die of exposure in the streets per year, than that

in India.. animal rights activists, PETA like, would show video's of cows being slaughter to collect donations

[Frosty]

StianM,

I only counted 2 languages, but I'm still impressed. I speak only muy pocito Espanol, kliene Deutch, and un petite peu Francaise. You made your point most eloquently with your first sentence, however. Here's to good arguments and the joy of jousting with ideas!! :)

I dont want to take any thing away from the post above by 'im 412' wich I think has something to think about.

However the speaking of multiple languages is wasted space when one is unable to even master ones own mother tounge.

Failing in communication, these mutiple lingusts then try to impress by spouting some other tounge in a desperate bid to look intelligent.

As a child chanting,-- some people think they have now gained control when in actuall fact they have merely confused the situation.

Strangley, they then feel above thier oponent because thier oponent can no longer understand.

Hence the term "big kids"

[StianM]

in India.. animal rights activists, PETA like, would show video's of cows being slaughter to collect donations

I think this prove me and longliners points.
Instead off trying to stop there dolphin hunting we should show understanding against there diferent culture and instead put our efort into making them use more humane ways to kill them. Harpunes fitted with granates is what the whale hunters use if I'm not mistaken, the shock from the detonation kills the animal.

I dont want to take any thing away from the post above by 'im 412' wich I think has something to think about.

Agree

However the speaking of multiple languages is wasted space when one is unable to even master ones own mother tounge.

English is not mine and my dyselectia prevents me from writing anny language fluently, but atleast I try.

Failing in communication, these mutiple lingusts then try to impress by spouting some other tounge in a desperate bid to look intelligent.

Just like saying you can't even speak english fluently? Now that is the most sad coment I can read and in 100% off the cases it's native english speakers that spit it out.

[lazeyjack]

yes you try and we appreciate it!! PraVDA!! AND I apologise for all those that have been rude to you because of this

[charmc]

I dont want to take any thing away from the post above by 'im 412' wich I think has something to think about.

However the speaking of multiple languages is wasted space when one is unable to even master ones own mother tounge.
Failing in communication, these mutiple lingusts then try to impress by spouting some other tounge in a desperate bid to look intelligent.
As a child chanting,-- some people think they have now gained control when in actuall fact they have merely confused the situation.
Strangley, they then feel above thier oponent because thier oponent can no longer understand. Hence the term "big kids"

Jack,

I confess you've puzzled me with that post. It might be because I'm not the brightest, but I think you may have missed Stian's point. English is not his mother tongue. I can't read minds, but I doubt he feels superior or that he's gained control of the argument.

I admire anyone who is multilingual ... for that accomplishment, one I have never mastered. That's got nothing to do with whether I agree with his/her ideas. Stian's "point made most eloquently", was noting that I_boyle was attacking him for his mistakes in English, instead of attacking the ideas he had expressed about killing dolphins.

I agree with you about im 412's post. I confess I learned something here. I thought, when I first read about the dolphin slaughter, that this was a widespread part of Japanese culture. I still think it's wrong, but the degree of offense is different because the killers are a small number of fishermen in an isolated village. There is a difference between that and the "side effect" killing of dolphins to make it easier to harvest tuna.

I don't know all the final answers, but I suspect that's at least partly because they are not as simple as they first appear.

[charmc]

Jack,

I was just thinking a little more .... I do agree with you that, if the forum standard is English, then writing posts back and forth in a different language is a bit tacky. That is better left to private messages, which are just as easy to post. I said that I speak very little Spanish, German, and French, sometimes just enough to get me in trouble! :)

[im412]

stian
just to clarify
i dont mean to be pedantic and it is an easy error to make, but you are using my name for quotes i didnt make in the last 2 quotes in your above post

this has been my only post on this subject, which i'm glad you found it of value
http://boatdesign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=138373&postcount=104

cheers
im412 (jack)

[StianM]

stian
just to clarify
i dont mean to be pedantic and it is an easy error to make, but you are using my name for quotes i didnt make in the last 2 quotes in your above post



Corected(I hope)

[Raggi_Thor]

... but the degree of offense is different because the killers are a small number of fishermen in an isolated village.
...they are not as simple as they first appear.

You know they kill whales with small boats, rifles and knives in North America also? My opinion is that it's OK to harvest of the natures surplus, and that all killing should be as quick and painless as possible. If we want to engage in animals rights I think industrial meat production and the cosmetic industry are the worst cases and should be addressed first.

[charmc]

You know they kill whales with small boats, rifles and knives in North America also? My opinion is that it's OK to harvest of the natures surplus, and that all killing should be as quick and painless as possible. If we want to engage in animals rights I think industrial meat production and the cosmetic industry are the worst cases and should be addressed first.

Yes. There is a limited number, quick and merciful kills, and the whale is consumed for food, with byproducts used for survival.

[Frosty]

We as humans and therfore have 'reasoning' like to kill quickly.

Mother nature however does not take painless killing into consideration at all.

In the wild animals are slaughtered in a horrific way by other animals.

This one thing puts humans above animals!!!!! supposedley.

I am often apalled at a domestic cat mauling (some people call it toying)
A mouse a hundredth of its size. The mouse often freezes with fear probably hoping for a quick death.

I HATE CATS .

[kach22i]

Go flipper, go get help!!!:cool:

http://nrife.fra.affrc.go.jp/top.html
http://nrife.fra.affrc.go.jp/image/dolphin.gif

[sigurd]

Who throws live crabs into boiling water, Is that ok? Why because crabs arent mamals and the dont look like they are enjoying life much and dont interact with humans.

You know any good way to kill a crab? Not sure they feel the pain of heat the way we do, why would they?

[sigurd]

I'm not religious, but if I was I would say that its pretty obvious cattle have been placed here to be eaten.
The normal cattle is very different from what it was before it was bred by humans.

There is still wild catle in Norway, not truly wild I think but .. well i dunno. Taste good.

[Roly]

You know any good way to kill a crab?
I think the most humane way is to freeze them first.Doesn't effect the meat.....IMO.
I cannot throw em in boiling water. No way!
In term of a nervous system I think they are pretty un-evolved.

[sigurd]

Stian, do you think a cow is more intelligent than a dolphin? You need a proof to think otherwise?

ragnar, 200 chicken more worth than a cow?

Humm, you have a very "rethoric" way of thinking?

It's just that your accountant way of looking at it, falls apart if you ask yourself, so why care of any life at all? Is that what you are saying?

longliner:"if the japanees want to eat all thiers ,,thats their busisness"
do you really think a country should be allowed to extinguish a species?
come again?

...90% of the time... bet he has fun the other 10% too..

(Frosty and CharmC: Raggie and stian was not slanging you, relax..)
(I think beef is the most common meat i india next to chicken)

Stian: You dismiss lazeyjack that he tells you they talk to people! You are too cought up in arguing perhaps, to be curious?

[sigurd]

Roly: Don't have a freezer. Some say they will just pass out from oblivion if you heat the water with them in it. Until I can get more convincing arguments of that I'll keep tossing them in boiling water.

edit: yes old nerv system, I was thinking there might be no reason for them to feel pain from burning if they never was on land? just an idea.

[StianM]

Stian: You dismiss lazeyjack that he tells you they talk to people! You are too cought up in arguing perhaps, to be curious?

So what? My mother insist that both our cat, chickens and cows are cominicating with her. Saying Dolphins are comunicating with us are of no more value than my mothers testemony.

Now lat us all go and become vegetarians.

[lazeyjack]

Roly: Don't have a freezer. Some say they will just pass out from oblivion if you heat the water with them in it. Until I can get more convincing arguments of that I'll keep tossing them in boiling water.

edit: yes old nerv system, I was thinking there might be no reason for them to feel pain from burning if they never was on land? just an idea.
with ALL due respect, you MUST TREAT ALL living things as humanly as possible
We have no right to do otherwise
Freeze you crab, (and yes I used to toss my lobsters into boil) but then I grew up
Now the only thing I would gladly throw in boiling water would be GWBush.
You really can not say that living things down the food chain do not feel pain, so you must respect, each and everything that lives
Call me dumb!! but when I pluck a lemon from a tree, I give thanks to the tree, not that the tree gives a stuff, but becuz I am thankful to have its fruit. We hmans are takers, not givers, shame

[StianM]

with ALL due respect, you MUST TREAT ALL living things as humanly as possible
We have no right to do otherwise
Freeze you crab, (and yes I used to toss my lobsters into boil) but then I grew up


I place a knife betwen the eyes and give it one hard hit so it penetrate the shell and go right troug the head befour trowing it into hot water.

What I find morbid is those who eat raw oysters with lemon juice.

I would not like having acid pored on my body befour consumption.

[charmc]

with ALL due respect, you MUST TREAT ALL living things as humanly as possible
We have no right to do otherwise
Call me dumb!! but when I pluck a lemon from a tree, I give thanks to the tree, not that the tree gives a stuff, but becuz I am thankful to have its fruit. We hmans are takers, not givers, shame

Stu,

You're absolutely right. The original inhabitants of North America, our Indians, had/have a culture that believed that man is entitled to kill other creatures for his needs, as other predators do. It was important, however, to kill quickly with as little suffering as possible, to kill for needs and not waste, and to give thanks to the spirit of the creature consumed, and thanks to the Great Spirit who watches over all.

I still can't find any flaw in that.

[lazeyjack]

Stu,

You're absolutely right. The original inhabitants of North America, our Indians, had/have a culture that believed that man is entitled to kill other creatures for his needs, as other predators do. It was important, however, to kill quickly with as little suffering as possible, to kill for needs and not waste, and to give thanks to the spirit of the creature consumed, and thanks to the Great Spirit who watches over all.

I still can't find any flaw in that.

read the EDUCATION OF LITTLE TREE, Forrester I think, maybe have author wrong read also THE LAST OF THE BREED, L'Amour, the only decent book he wrote, IMO, brilliant
Most Northern indians were this way, BUT some of the Plains NATIONS drove the buffelo in huge herds off cliffs to take a few? I dunno, maybe the storys are embellished with time

[brian eiland]

Stu,

You're absolutely right. The original inhabitants of North America, our Indians, had/have a culture that believed that man is entitled to kill other creatures for his needs, as other predators do. It was important, however, to kill quickly with as little suffering as possible, to kill for needs and not waste, and to give thanks to the spirit of the creature consumed, and thanks to the Great Spirit who watches over all.

I still can't find any flaw in that.
...."to give thanks to the spirit of the creature consumed"...well said

[sigurd]

I heard on tv most of the big mammals in NA got extinct shortly after the indians came there.

[sigurd]

"You really can not say that living things down the food chain do not feel pain, "

why not? Btw I was only asking.

edit: Is it very painful for mammals to bleed to death? A clean cut often does not hurt a lot. Takes a bit of time to die, not necesserily a bad thing? We usually don't shoot humans in the head to "end their misery", even if they are dying slowly.

[charmc]

read also THE LAST OF THE BREED, L'Amour, the only decent book he wrote, IMO, brilliant

Read it; I agree it was an excellent book. Never read his cowboy stuff.

Most Northern indians were this way, BUT some of the Plains NATIONS drove the buffelo in huge herds off cliffs to take a few? I dunno, maybe the storys are embellished with time

That story came from an observation by the Lewis & Clark expedition, passing rotting carcasses at the base of a cliff. Never any evidence that Indians did it. Driving them off a cliff was practiced, but most often by large tribes stampeding smaller groups of buffalo. Almost all the meat and hide were taken and used. It took 20-60 hides to make a single tipi. The excess meat was dried into jerky, fed a tribe for up to 6 months. The point is that they did not slaughter wastefully, tried to take waht was needed.

[charmc]

I heard on tv most of the big mammals in NA got extinct shortly after the indians came there.

The big mammals in Europe and Asia became extinct around the time modern man began to spread there, around the same time. Happened all over the world at the end of the Pleistocene Era and the last Ice Age. Guess early tribes liked mastodon and mammoth steak?

[lazeyjack]

The big mammals in Europe and Asia became extinct around the time modern man began to spread there, around the same time. Happened all over the world at the end of the Pleistocene Era and the last Ice Age. Guess early tribes liked mastodon and mammoth steak?

cept bears, bears were in EVERY state, grizzlies that is, til us morons turned up, oh forget hawii,

[timgoz]

They have found evidence of past "barren ground" grizzlies on the Labrador Coast.

Today, it is the only place to support barren ground Black Bears.

Tim

[lazeyjack]

By ERIN CONROY, Associated Press Writer Tue Jun 12, 6:24 PM ET

BOSTON - A 50-ton bowhead whale caught off the Alaskan coast last month had a weapon fragment embedded in its neck that showed it survived a similar hunt — more than a century ago.

Embedded deep under its blubber was a 3 1/2-inch arrow-shaped projectile that has given researchers insight into the whale's age, estimated between 115 and 130 years old.

"No other finding has been this precise," said John Bockstoce, an adjunct curator of the New Bedford Whaling Museum.

Calculating a whale's age can be difficult, and is usually gauged by amino acids in the eye lenses. It's rare to find one that has lived more than a century, but experts say the oldest were close to 200 years old.

The bomb lance fragment, lodged a bone between the whale's neck and shoulder blade, was likely manufactured in New Bedford, on the southeast coast of Massachusetts, a major whaling center at that time, Bockstoce said.

It was probably shot at the whale from a heavy shoulder gun around 1890. The small metal cylinder was filled with explosives fitted with a time-delay fuse so it would explode seconds after it was shot into the whale. The bomb lance was meant to kill the whale immediately and prevent it from escaping.

The device exploded and probably injured the whale, Bockstoce said.

"It probably hurt the whale, or annoyed him, but it hit him in a non-lethal place," he said. "He couldn't have been that bothered if he lived for another 100 years."

The whale harkens back to far different era. If 130 years old, it would have been born in 1877, the year Rutherford B. Hayes was sworn in as president, when federal Reconstruction troops withdrew from the South and when Thomas Edison unveiled his newest invention, the phonograph.

The 49-foot male whale died when it was shot with a similar projectile last month, and the older device was found buried beneath its blubber as hunters carved it with a chain saw for harvesting.

"It's unusual to find old things like that in whales, and I knew immediately that it was quite old by its shape," said Craig George, a wildlife biologist for the North Slope Borough Department of Wildlife Management, who was called down to the site soon after it was found.

The revelation led George to return to a similar piece found in a whale hunted near St. Lawrence Island in 1980, which he sent to Bockstoce to compare.

"We didn't make anything of it at the time, and no one had any idea about their lifespan, or speculated that a bowhead could be that old," George said.

Bockstoce said he was impressed by notches carved into the head of the arrow used in the 19th century hunt, a traditional way for the Alaskan hunters to indicate ownership of the whale.

Whaling has always been a prominent source of food for Alaskans, and is monitored by the
International Whaling Commission. A hunting quota for the Alaska Eskimo Whaling Commission was recently renewed, allowing 255 whales to be harvested by 10 Alaskan villages over five years.

After it is analyzed, the fragment will be displayed at the Inupiat Heritage Center in Barrow, Alaska.

(This version REMOVES incorrect c

[StianM]

So what? My mother insist that both our cat, chickens and cows are cominicating with her. Saying Dolphins are comunicating with us are of no more value than my mothers testemony.

Now lat us all go and become vegetarians.

Now who gave me bad rep because off this? Only coment they laft was "not a mature thing to say"

Now I'm going to leave bad rep with everyone I think come with coments that are against annything I like to be true and we will all see how nice this forums will be.

[lazeyjack]

Now who gave me bad rep because off this? Only coment they laft was "not a mature thing to say"

Now I'm going to leave bad rep with everyone I think come with coments that are against annything I like to be true and we will all see how nice this forums will be.

zawwwwwwwwwwww stian I love yah!! please dont give me bad rep!!

[StianM]

zawwwwwwwwwwww stian I love yah!! please dont give me bad rep!!

Sorry I'm a litle homofobic so please keep the words love out of this, but I like you too.

[timgoz]

LazeyJack,

I've personally met John R. Bockstoce twice. Both times were on the Labrador coast. He is good friends with my friend Capt. Henry Webb of Nain.

Because of our mutual friend I was invited to lunch on the "Belvedere", John's 60' steel motorsailor. This boat has done a West to East NW Passage crossing. His book "Arctic Passages" deals with the above.

Henry & I even left a 3 barrel diesel stash for him at Hebron Fiord. That year John tried to get to Baffin Is. but I think got turned back by the ice. The fuel stash was for topping off on the return.

Very interesting man.

Tim

[charmc]

Only coment they laft was "not a mature thing to say"

Stian,

Some irony there, as that person's "disapproving" your words anonymously was "not a mature thing to do". :mad: :mad:

I find it difficult to understand why people snipe anonymously instead of showing the courage and simple courtesy of posting openly that they don't like what you said, because .... .

Their loss, because if I argue with you, we both have a chance to learn, whereas they have to live with their sneaky and not courageous selves for all their lives. Too bad for them. :P :P

[hansp77]

Now who gave me bad rep because off this? Only coment they laft was "not a mature thing to say"

LOL. Don't you hate it. I swear, 'Open Discussion' is where the majority of points are won and lost, at least from my experience- hell look at my points! I probably know less about boats than most of you guys could recite in ten minutes after a heavy blow to the head:D

my favourite negative rep was from a similar thread about fisherman shooting seals- that devolved into a climate change debate. Someone sniper'd me with the comment, think you got it backwards Hans:p
Well, Duh! It was a debate about climate change to which I take one particular side- OF COURSE YOU WOULD THINK I HAVE IT BACKWARDS IF YOU TAKE THE OTHER SIDE!:D
maybe we should call them 'agreement points', or 'you just got on my nerve points'.;)

besides, I talk to my girlfreinds cat all the time, and it talks back- bloody thing, drives me crazy.

[longliner45]

yes hans ,,,I dont pay to much creedance to the point system ,,,,,some with more points are obviosly wrong about some things ,,you can read through thier lines easaly and see this ..on the other hand, some with less point and more hands on experiance shows also,,,,,,boats are like anything else ,you reach a point when you know what questions to ask,,untill then ,you dont know ,,what you dont know,,longliner

[brian eiland]

I thought this little bit of humor might revitalize this subject thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77IqQW9xzU

[masalai]

My understanding of the "Japanese Dolphin massacre" is that it is not to eat the dolphins but that the dolphins also eat the fish that "swarm" at that time and compete with the Japanese fishermen...

[brian eiland]

...this just arrived in an email

Denmark is a BIG SHAME – pathetic behaviour of a culture....

Photo 1
The sea is stained in red and in the mean while its not because of the climate effects of nature.

Photo 2
It's because of the cruelty that the human beings (civilised human) kill hundreds of the famous and intelligent Calderon dolphins.

Photo 3
This happens every year in Feroeiland in Denmark . In this slaughter the main participants are young teens. WHY? To show that they are adults and mature.... BULLLLsh

Photo 4, 5
In this big celebration, nothing is missing for the fun. Everyone is participating in one way or the other, killing or looking at the cruelty “supporting like a spectator”

Photo 6, 7 ,8
They don’t die instantly; they are cut 1, 2 or 3 times with thick hocks. And at that time the dolphins produce a grim extremely compatible with the cry of a new born child.

But he suffers and there’s no compassion till this sweet being slowly dies in its own blood.

Photo 9, 10

Is it necessary to mention that the dolphin calderon, like all the other species of dolphins, it’s near extinction and they get near men to play and interact. In a way of PURE friendship.

Its enough! We will send this mail until this email arrives in any association defending the animals, we won’t only read. That would make us accomplices, viewers.

Take care of the world, it is your home!

[Sean Herron]

Hello...
I am not sure who started this thread...
I am Canadian born of Danish and German background...
I cannot fucking understand this lot...
I am a pretty tough boatbuilder - I respect a lot of things - this is shit - these mother fuckers have no idea - no thought - nothing - they will never evolve or find ways to co-exist...
Killing the predator who has evolved into that position is a grand waste of time - and an intrusion on an evolutionary scale..
Dolphin eats fish - dolphin is in the fucking water - what the fuck is he to eat - shall we introduce a nice salad with a grilled steak - WTF - you ignorant assholes...
This is the most absurd and embarrasing thing I have ever seen to date - as a human being - thank you BE for witness and post - to date - aside from the seal hunt in northern CDN - this should disgust anyone with a 1/4 of a functioning brain...
Now - I know I am gonna get hit with cow killing - bring it on...
SH.

[Sean Herron]

Hello...
On any level - on any arguement - against any opinion - this is a pathetic and non sustainable response to market cultivation...
Bottom Fucking Line - BFL...
This is the shit that should go thru the U.N. - as lame as that is - but at least it will be given public report - 'for review'...
SH.