About system for lines fairing

[Alexanov]

If you looking for really good 3D surface modeling system look at www.seasolution.com. I use it myself 4 years for different types of hull surfaces. It works perfect if you have preliminary lines or offset table, but you can use it for initial design too. May be it's my private opinion but I don't think you can find something better for fairing.

[yipster]

Alexander,

seems very nice, has dxf and other filesizes etc. -but- after twice downloading the demo and samples zip file i cant get it to instal nor open the samples.
i'm using winzip8 and win 98, what are u using? the demo? or what goes wrong here? iff you dont know i'm gonna ask seasolution since indeed it "looks" good and now i want to try...
:( yipster

[yipster]

oops? :idea: maybe fill out the registration and get that info in the mail?

[Polarity]

Took a couple of goes but I got the whole file down and installed Ok - its just over 4 Mb.

Seems Ok but as there is no mention of a cost that I could find on the site I'm reluctant to invest too much time! -Also seemed to do what Rhino does, but the plate expansion I know nothing about so can not comment.

Paul

[yipster]

thanks Paul

i'll check the size or its me / my system than, and i'll try again since i must have try'd them all and am still curious. (while i should be studying rhino now i guess since i havent got a decent hull drawn in it yet, but yes i'm learning, rhino (and fastyacht?) does it all yes?)

:)

Seems to me something wrong with examples archive. I have now same problem. What about demo? Have you install it on your computer? I can send to you my own examples if you want.

[yipster]

had wrong filesizes, got it now and installed, try to get the samples tomorow and do some lines also than, thanks!
:) yip

seems really good seasolution but in rhino newsgroup they comment about a new plug in to develop surfaces with double curvature and if its true that will be great for the people that owns rhino, what about cost of seasolution?, does anybody knows the cost

thanks

I use it myself 4 years for different types of hull surfacesAs the others have said, I can't find any pricing on their website. It looks interesting, but how much does it cost to buy a license?

[Polarity]

"(while i should be studying rhino now i guess since i havent got a decent hull drawn in it yet, but yes i'm learning, rhino (and fastyacht?) does it all yes?) "

As a non NA - but enthralled student! - I was playing around with Rhino the other night, drew a plan view of a deck edge, a plan view of a waterline. combined the deck edge with a sheer line ("line from 2 views"), drew a transom edge, surfaced the lot, projected station lines and started playing with them in a body plan (ie end on) view , couple of hours, and much use of "loft" and I have a nice looking cruiser racer hull.
Only needs another 10 years experience and it might sail!

Paul

[yipster]

Polarity dont you allready have your hands full with only 2 sailboats? :D few hours playing yeah, but you allready came nicely to grips with rhino i saw. thanks for the script, i'll do it but today again i did not touch rhino :mad:

RhinoMarine
from Proteus Engineering
http://www.proteusengineering.com/

Advanced Plate Expansion in Rhino
using Ship Constructor technology
from Albacore Research Ltd http://www.shipconstructor.com/Default.htm

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Alexanov, after a few download try's i've got the samples zip file unpacked now, tomorow more.

[Mike D]

To all who've tried it.

I went to the SeaSolution site out of curiosity but I found this on the Demo pageThe Demo version of the SeaSolution version 5.00 is full functional version without saving projects and output documentation. (05.02.2003)I did not download it but is it correct that you can't save a project?

How could Alexander have used it for 4 years without saving?

Michael

[Jeff]

Yes, I downloaded the demo last night and like it says, you cannot save or export. (export gives you an error message, and if you hit save you get an error dialogue and then it locks up).

I assume Alexander has the full version...

I did email SeaSolution late yesterday and asked for ballpark pricing information, but have not yet heard anything back.

[Vovan]

Regarding ShipConstructor and Rhino for development of shell plates

As far as I know SeaSolution is all-in-one product includs shell module. And it is far away ahead from ShipConstructor(ShipCAM).
First, you don't have to export model to any other places. Second model in SeaSolution is parametric depended (in ShipCAM it is not).
On the other hand very important part of shell development is output information. During last two years I have seen many times output for shellplating form different system (SeaSolution, ShipCAM, Foran, Nupas, Tribon, Defcar) and I must admit that SeaSolution is the best one.

Hi, sounds really good, i sent an email for information but i had no response somebody knows how much seasolution?

[Mike D]

I also sent a message asking for more info and cost. No answer yet.

There is something odd in the notes of files type and transferring data from other systems. It refers to Autokon that was a big shipyard system developed in Norway over 35 years ago. But it was bought out almost 15 years ago by the Swedish system Tribon which was not mentioned among "compatible" file sets etc. Struck me as odd.

In the description of the modules it is clear that it was developed with ships in mind not boats. Nesting, pin-jigs and so on and the site background is a fairly large ship so it should useful for metal boats especially.

Michael

[Polarity]

Yipster

That "nice looking cruiser racer hull." I was working (playing with) on... weeeeell did not really do it for me, so it got stretched.. I have about 2 days in this.. (Ok so the winches I already had..)

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=679


Cheers

Paul

[Jeff]

Just received this reply to my 2-17 inquiry:


Thank you for your interest to the SeaSolution software.

We only announce the system.
The marketed version and prices will be ready in the May of 2003.
If you want to try to use the SeaSolution,
we can give you 45 days trial full version of the software.

Best regards,
Michael Golovin

[yipster]

Polarity,
i envy you, i did see that cruiser racer hull but havent found time to try your tips in rhino yet. i know 3d drawing is great fun, in 3d studio what i've been using since its first dos version i know my way around and have drawn hulls like the pic here. in vrml=.wrl (just another output format) as a viewer over the net -using the cosmo player- you can even walk around in a -rendered-drawing (like the artist can) but its hard to sell. as said in the software section 3d studio isnt for designing boats and no way to develop surfaces. i tryd .dwg and .dxf files from 3d studio to expand in autocad without succes. so i want to get into rhino but gimmy some time...

Jeff,
i got a similar mail from seasolutions, just want to wait opening those 45 day's till i've got some more time, (now having resin on my hands and all) but if anyone has started let me/us hear!

yipster

[Mike D]

I got the same message from Michael (no relation :) ) Golovkin as everyone else.

Just have to wait 'n see.

Michael

[Jim Walsh]

Has anybody been able to import a DXF or LST file into seasolution yet.

We added examples especially for yachts and boats to the seasolution web site.

Michael Golovin

We added Seasolution User Guide the seasolution web site.

Michael Golovin

[Ezhov]

Alexander
I use Sea Solution not only for final fairing but mostly for initial design. Using plates, and weight calculation functions, I can build parametric model of ship with metal parts, insulation and main masses (special models of large equipment with its own characteristics of CG). It give me a possibilities to calculate mass table of a ships very acuuracy on first stages of design.
Especially it is suitable with hydrostatics module and others (resistance, stress, etc.)

[Ezhov]

Please visite
www.seatech.ru
www.rsy.ru
www.nakhimov-yachts.com
www.almaz.ru
all projects designed using Sea Solution system

[Guest]

Dear Customer!

Thank you for your interest to the SeaSolution software.

Now we started to sell the SeaSolution software and
we are opened to have a new partners in different countries for doing support of the software.
Price list (pdf format) can be sent to you.

We are not only selling our software, also we are using our software for designing a ship surfaces and for developing shell plates.
Take a look at our design center and you will see what kind of services we have.

Visiting our web-site You can:
- Download Demo version (full functional version without saving projects and output documentation)
- Get Trial Version (full functional version only for 45 days)
- Download User Guide, Examples, ...

SeaSolution support,
web site: www.seasolution.com
e-mail: seasolution@seasolution.com
tel: +47 51692944, +47 51692981
fax: +47 51692950

[Dim]

Originally posted by Vovan
Regarding ShipConstructor and Rhino for development of shell plates

As far as I know SeaSolution is all-in-one product includs shell module. And it is far away ahead from ShipConstructor(ShipCAM).
First, you don't have to export model to any other places. Second model in SeaSolution is parametric depended (in ShipCAM it is not).
On the other hand very important part of shell development is output information. During last two years I have seen many times output for shellplating form different system (SeaSolution, ShipCAM, Foran, Nupas, Tribon, Defcar) and I must admit that SeaSolution is the best one.

It is really.

:!:
Second, model in SeaSolution is parametric depended (in ShipCAM it is not).
:!:

This is very important.

Dmitriy.
Naval Architects.

[Guest]

Special for Jesus Garcia!

Unfortunately we could not send e-mail to your address on hotmail.com If it's possible, send us your another e-mail (not on hotmail.com).

SeaSolution Support

[Guest]

this mail is for seasolution

hello this is jesus is something wrong with your server? i sent the email from my other email adress and it returned as a non delivered email

please advice

thanks

[Guest]

Hello, Jesus!

I sent two e-mails to ...@telus.net (23.05.2003)
Did you receive it?

Michael Golovin,
SeaSolution support

[mario]

Originally posted by yipster
Polarity dont you allready have your hands full with only 2 sailboats? :D few hours playing yeah, but you allready came nicely to grips with rhino i saw. thanks for the script, i'll do it but today again i did not touch rhino :mad:

RhinoMarine
from Proteus Engineering
http://www.proteusengineering.com/

Advanced Plate Expansion in Rhino
using Ship Constructor technology
from Albacore Research Ltd http://www.shipconstructor.com/Default.htm

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Alexanov, after a few download try's i've got the samples zip file unpacked now, tomorow more.

[yipster]

yes.....?

i havent been drawing lately as much as i would have liked...
i like to try and compare the various software and seasolution seems to be a very proffesional program, the demo keeps working and in time i'll try more. same goes for maxsurf, looks and works very good as well, than there is rhino, mech desk, inventor and more, it takes some time/study.

rite now i'm into d.i.y. mechanical enginering and building a small boat -again- that takes time! some of this time could have been saved with more calculated and detailed drawings i learn, yeah, let me draw, i sure like that (and better than sandpapering) but maybe i'm missing your point...?

yipster
sorry polar, havent drawn a hull in rhino yet, did try to find back your 20 steps samples, where to find?

[Dim]

Yipster,

if I can to draw so well, skilful as it is done by you - PC would be not necessary for me.

Dim.

[yipster]

Dim
thanks for the compliment, pencil drawings can still be handy but the PC is here to stay and you are the master in CADCAM, i only a student.

yipster

[Guest]

Hi!

Is anybody knows something about Hydrostatics calculations in SeaSolution?

[Dim]

If this module no on a site, it's in a development stage.
Year back I saw large part of it in work. I wait for it too.

Dim.

[Dim]

On the exhibition "Neva 2003", which has passed this week in St. Peterburg city, Russia, represented the program " SeaHydro v5 " with all necessary documentation.
I already have demo-version and UserGuide. On all problems address:
e-mail: seasolution@seasolution.com
or
www.steelcad.no
www.seasolution.com

Phone: +47 51 69 29 44
Fax: +47 51 69 29 50

[Guest]

Hi Dim!
Today I saw information about the SeaHydro on seasolution web site (www.seasolution.com)

[Dim]

Dear Guest,

I am very glad, that you have found the information, necessary for you.

Best regards,
Dim.

[Guest]

Output Documentation Examples has been added.

Michael Golovin,
SeaSolution support
web site: www.seasolution.com
e-mail: seasolution@seasolution.com
tel: +47 51692944, +47 51692981
fax: +47 51692950

[Guest]

Hi,

Seems to me it's completly new design on they web site. I found even some software prices.

[guest]

Is it possible to use Shipconstructor together with SeaSolution? May be somebody have any experience.

[gmf]

Hi guys!
New version of SeaSolution has been released.
You can test it.
http://www.seasolution.com/

[yipster]

didnt try the new version but the one one i downloaded before.
looking very complete it is actually workable, there is no saving though, others demo's have limited saving, file formats etc.
glad i did not buy this or that program as we can be shure of an update :D:mad:

[gmf]

Hi guys!

Now SeaSolution's forum are avaliable on www.seasolution.com
You can give any questions about SeaSolution, SeaHydro, .... to authors of SeaSolution.

[pro_user]

I have download demo version. It's possible to save files and export dxf files. Was it impossible before?

[pro_user]

Hmm... Really?!

[Tim B]

http://www.seasolution.com./eng/prices.htm

for prices... and the answer's "not on my budget mate!"

Also, I couldn't find a screen-shot on the site. It would be nice to see one.

On a similar subject, my LMH software is progressing nicely and should be available (alpha release) by October. This might satisfy a few cravings for a simple Hull Designer for Linux. I'm not planning to port the alpha release to Windows, but if anyone really wants me to, then please e-mail and ask. more LMH info on www.MarineDesign.tk

Cheers,

Tim B.

[gmf]

Dear Customer


You can update SeaSolution 6.10 and SeaHydro 6.10 from www.seasolution.com

SeaSolution v6.10.06 (01.09.2005)

1. Now Rotate, Zoom, Pan are much faster in rendering mode (new graphics system).
2. Slots were added.
3. Profiles were added.
4. Block View was added.
5. IGES export is compatible with FORAN v50.
6. Now lines can be exported to IGES format file.

SeaHydro v6.10.06 (01.09.2005)

1. Now Rotate, Zoom, Pan are much faster in rendering mode (new graphics system).

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Best Regards,
Michael Golovin

Orkinus AS

phone: +47 51 65 60 85
fax: +47 51 65 60 86
mobile: +47 93 25 07 46

e-mail: gmf@seasolution.com
web: www.seasolution.com, www.orkinus.com

Address: Sandeveien 32, 4050 Sola, Norway

[pro_user]

I found that this company use SeaSolution? - www.steelcad.no (http://www.steelcad.no)
They have huge lines fairing reference. Reference (http://www.steelcad.no/references.php)

[gmf]

Now SeaSolution v1 (APIRS 4.25 - version of 1995) are avaliable for FREE download.
This version is completely free and does not have any time lemitations.

Download: http://www.seasolution.com/e-download.htm

[pro_user]

Thanks!

Good news!

:)

[Eddie Adler]

Anybody have any luck using or hold a tangent line in fairing with NURBS? I do a lot detailed lofting and find that information from NURBS tends to be very non-specific.
The NURBS based lines that I work from never seem to be quite correct. I am looking for somebody good at NURBS fairing to have discussuins with. I have used Autokon, Tribon, ShipConstructor but I have stayed away from NURBS for production work.

[Alexanov]

I have a lot examples of final lofting lines from NURBS. It's may be about 200 ships in Norway has been made with NURBS in SeaSlution. All of them final fairing for production. Of course NURBS is quite special in comparison with other methods, but for my opinion problem for meny NURBS based systems is poor surface quality checking methods. We can discuss more if you want. This is very interesting discussion for me.