think about this

[longliner45]

dont know if you noticed , some folks have come down hard on others , saying its not ok to say this or that or joke around. but without naming names or pointing fingers .I see the same guys having threads that have nothing to do with boat design or boating in general.all you have to do is look. its ok for them to joke around but not others. there is very much hipocracy and self rightiousness here,and I cant blame any self respecting woman for staying 10 miles away all I can see now is that a good portion of threads is plain bickering ( my own personal opinion),,,,,like *******s everyone has one.,,,,,,,,,time to get back to boats,and fun like it used to be..........longliner

[DanishBagger]

Oh, yes, I noticed. However, whenever something like that get's pointed "someone" has fun with the "whistleblower's" socalled "reputation.

Pretty great system, methinks :rolleyes:

[Wellydeckhand]

Yup....... welcome to the Help-yourself-guys with our reputation. I mean thing just happen , u get rep off your shoulder with no clue or message you on who had done that. It is like group reputation assasin working their ass out overtime to get us flush out off the forum........ methink this is insane like agroupy thing......... I prefer being molested than get rep flush out without a clue.

WellyGotBanged

[DanishBagger]

I believe something is wrong with the system, I have eighteen, but started out with ten. The weird part being that I can only see one positive in my reputation-snitch.

[Figgy]

Why do you guys really care about the rep. system? I just plan on not asking stupid questions or bashing on other peoples threads. Let it go for now, maby it won't work out. I really don't think anyone is paying much attention to it anyway.

[Mayfly]

I just understand the system meaning , I must be careful not to disturb the other by rubbing the wrong feather the wrong time..... I am new but I hope the member can be professional and not backstabbing.

Mayfly

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[Wellydeckhand]

That the word back-stabbing really happend ask ceaser for reference. Hope your rep does not decline.

[Figgy]

Dang Welly, your rep went down:( How did that happen? We just have to be constructive about our replies. People don't want to get a message in thier inbox about a reply to a post just to see a " :) " . Alot of times I have something to say about a particular post but I keep my mouth shut. This will be mt 17th post, and most are about this subject. I dont comment on things I'm not positive about. It sucks sometimes but oh well.

[DanishBagger]

Welly, it seems that they're targeting you specifically. I replied to the "poop"-post as well, yet noone removed one from me at that time.

Now, a question for those people: How come you're targeting Welly? Is it because his english isn't as good as yours, or is it some sort of "moral selfrighteousness"?

[safewalrus]

Danish

I'll tell you why their targetting Welly - bloody racism mainly haven't got the guts to speak to him face to face as it were butthey'll stab him in the back (**** that hurt, right in the kidneys, down goes another point from the faceless cowards) the other reason is he's got the guts to stand up and be counted Ok so his English is crap, so's my Indonesian! cowards don't like people who will stand up for themselves.

so how do we counter these numpties - if we leave and say nothing our points stay as they are but hell we die of boredom! And the numpties win!!
Alternatively we can tell the little sh**s what we think of them, but that upsets the rest (actually it probably won't upset the real men and women out there who understand the situation, but it puts Jeff on the spot which ain't nice

[DanishBagger]

Danish

I'll tell you why their targetting Welly - bloody racism mainly haven't got the guts to speak to him face to face as it were butthey'll stab him in the back (**** that hurt, right in the kidneys, down goes another point from the faceless cowards) the other reason is he's got the guts to stand up and be counted Ok so his English is crap, so's my Indonesian! cowards don't like people who will stand up for themselves.

so how do we counter these numpties - if we leave and say nothing our points stay as they are but hell we die of boredom! And the numpties win!!
Alternatively we can tell the little sh**s what we think of them, but that upsets the rest (actually it probably won't upset the real men and women out there who understand the situation, but it puts Jeff on the spot which ain't nice

Indeed, that is what I thought they'd answer, or not, as it were. And for this reason alone, this system should be over and done with, as it does indeed promote bullying. But no, even though we said it would, people were using pseudo arguments in order to have their way, in order to "keep order". Oh yes, this is a nifty system if you like bullying others and you only like the people just like you - mainstream, slick, intolerant, and anonymous.

Heck, if we really pull ourselves together on this site, we might out anyone that doesn't speak the queen's english, or should I say mainstream, mediocre american. That way this site may even be as mainstream and mediocre as the moral majority* thinks it should be.


*The Moral Majority is a small(ish) religious-right group from the US, lobbying to get their strict rules stuffed down the throat of others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority

[Figgy]

I really don't think it's racism. Why would you think that? And this from a person who said "mediocre American". I also don't think nationality really HAD much to do with it. If you blokes dont like us Yanks, go start your own fourm with your "queen's english". Its not us against you, and I don't want it to be like that. We are all here for the same reason.

[DanishBagger]

I really don't think it's racism. Why would you think that? And this from a person who said "mediocre American". I also don't think nationality really HAD much to do with it. If you blokes dont like us Yanks, go start your own fourm with your "queen's english". Its not us against you, and I don't want it to be like that. We are all here for the same reason.


Actually, I wasn't the one saying it was racism - we're not the same person, you know.

What I meant with "mediocre american" is the few numbnuts over there (small fractions like the "Moral Majority"), that has a tendency to drag everything "public" down to mediocre, simply because if they don't, they're "offended". The lowest common denominator.

And about not liking americans - well, it's the few people akin to moral majority-ones I dislike. Über-sensitive, and this I'm willing to bet on, that the blokes raising hell, calling for unformity and mainstream on here are all americans.

I don't speak the queens english either, not even close, and that wasn't the point. The point was that these rules drag everything down to the lowest common denominator, and as it happens, I'm pretty certain that the people that introduced this are all americans.


I'm a bloody dane, and only had the english I was taught in school. Never even been to England for more than a weekend, so, no, I'm not calling for a site where we speak the queen's english, that's my point! If we all have to talk like that, or some "unspecified" social american status (you guys don't have royalties, so what should I call it), then this place would become just at limited and ignorant as a site were everyone had to speak the queen's language.

It's amazing how some people are constantly, and seemingly purposefully, utterly misreading what is written.

[longliner45]

these blokes:are my friends , the aussies the english, the indos, the ,the ,yes I can say it the canadians , all the others that I cant spell right now,all nations are friends to me ,I judge each man on his own merits .,, didnt start this thread to cause trouble, just wanted to shine a light on this subject, I dont think anyone likes to be graded on a scale ,,,,everyone cant be everthing to everyone ( exept my wife) who is watching me now....longliner

[Figgy]

I didnt misread what was written, it just didn't come out on screen like I thought it would. And I didnt mean to imply that YOU said racism Danish, but it was said, sorry. No one likes being graded, but we really didn't have a choice. Something had to be done, it's not our site, Jeff made a chioce, so lets back him up.

[DanishBagger]

okay, then, I'm sorry for misunderstanding that too :(

One thing about Jeff, though - I have never been "on to" Jeff - I have just been after the ones forcing Jeff's hand in this.

With that said, though, I'm not backing up decisions that is directly against my views, or support views/ideas/rules that is aimed at bullying certain members to leave.

Another "something" that could have been done, was simply telling everyone that there would be no reputation-system, or any other system put in place that would bully members. If that was done, then people would have stopped. Would this become a better place from it? Well, at least there wouldn't be bullying, only banter in some threads. That seems like a good trade off to me.

Just to make this clear, I'm not after Jeff, I am after the people that tend to flock together and pursuit their little version of the medeaval witchhunt and this ... rule.

[Figgy]

I fully agree with you, there was many things other than the rep system that could have been done, but we are stuck with this system now. I think we need to make the best of it and make sure others don't abuse it. We can always stand up for each other too.

[DanishBagger]

True, Figgy, and by being a pain in the butt ... I feel that I am standing up against the bullying that certainly is going on.

[Figgy]

Ahhhh....Now I'm gettin' it:) Well, I can't say I'll join you, but I'm with you. Why do you feel so passionate about this? It really seems to irk you. Why do you think this is bullying? I think at this point we are the only ones that care:)

[Mayfly]

Remember, everyone is a capt. of his act.. We can change slowly but we need to really control ourselve also.. Just my simple view.

I dont think respectable people would go around giving bad reputation to thread unless they think it is out of topic, slanderous in content, giving the wrong fact, using the thread for long abust on other topic, loud laugh and joke on thread that is full of answer in upmost scientific content........ etc

But if there are indicator of back-stabbing then the name should be put in special forum where all member can directly inquire from the horses' mouth before concluding to expell. I think back-stabbing is a form of misconduct and racist.

Mayfly


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[DanishBagger]

Ahhhh....Now I'm gettin' it:) Well, I can't say I'll join you, but I'm with you. Why do you feel so passionate about this? It really seems to irk you. Why do you think this is bullying? I think at this point we are the only ones that care:)

Hehe, we propably are :P

I'm not really sure why I feel so strongly about this (or so many other things in life), but it really do rub me violently when things like this happen.

If you go look and see how people were reacting to wally and welly before that person, what's his name, began the "idiot-posts"-thread, and how it seems that especially welly is targeted. Heck, look at that MJ-picture he posted in that "funny pics"-thread, and woe and behold, he was notched down a bit.

Now, the people advocating this system, used the logic that we apparently couldn't do it ourselves, so we had to have a system in order to follow the rules of a few, go their will. But I and other people said that it could be misused. Their argument was that it wouldn't be misused(how come they trust people to use a system, so noone get's bullied, but at the same time state that people can't be trusted?).

Hmm, I'm going in circles here - the problem is, that it is very difficult to explain why I feel so strongly about this. Perhaps the best reason is the most simple - it's an unfair system, making everything into a popularity contest. Unfair as high-school can be. Unfair for everyone except the most popular. Ah, the simplicity again. It's simply unfair.

And I don't like unfair. :p


Hmm, and as I'm writing this, I can see that another one is tossing the word "racism" around - could you please stop that. Although I think I know why you guys use that word, I think you mean discriminatory, or some such word. Racism has to do with races, and who the heck knows what race each of us is?

[longliner45]

I agree with you danishbagger....longliner

[H2O_BABIES]

Hi, I am new, I feel that this forum is neat with so many professional people, so why would anybody defame one another?

To me, finding information on boat topic and discussion about hope of dream ship is what driven alot of the guys in this forum coming.

Imagine we get all these great ideas to add on to our dream ship by people that is caring and professional on the forum.

I am still cant feel the fight and hope doesnt need to feel it.

I am sure you guy are doing everything to make this bad thing go away,
GOODLUCK GUYS.

H2O

[DanishBagger]

Hi, I am new, I feel that this forum is neat with so many professional people, so why would anybody defame one another?

To me, finding information on boat topic and discussion about hope of dream ship is what driven alot of the guys in this forum coming.

Imagine we get all these great ideas to add on to our dream ship by people that is caring and professional on the forum.

I am still cant feel the fight and hope doesnt need to feel it.

I am sure you guy are doing everything to make this bad thing go away,
GOODLUCK GUYS.

H2O

Nono, it's a good thing if you can't feel it, and because of that reason alone, just ignore this type of thread. It _is_ a good site, there's just a few of us banging our heads (and some other stuff) against each other.

You just enjoy yourself, and leave the bitching to the two small fractions on this site - It's a guerilla war!!

;)

Seriously, though, just enjoy your time here. :)

[H2O_BABIES]

Yup, going through the open discussion first to feel the mood before selecting the topic that I am interested in. Still new and not oriented yet.

[DanishBagger]

Yup, going through the open discussion first to feel the mood before selecting the topic that I am interested in. Still new and not oriented yet.

Good idea - btw go take a look at your "hai"-thread - I believe I may have your reed-raft.

[Figgy]

You just enjoy yourself, and leave the bitching to the two small fractions on this site - It's a guerilla war!!
HAHA! It is,huh? Reeeally starting fo feel that way:)
To me, finding information on boat topic and discussion about hope of dream ship is what driven alot of the guys in this forum coming.

Imagine we get all these great ideas to add on to our dream ship by people that is caring and professional on the forum.

I think that about sums it up!

[DanishBagger]

HAHA! It is,huh? Reeeally starting fo feel that way:)



I'm quite surprised to even get a comment on that one, lol :p

[Figgy]

It's funny, 207 views and not many comments. I wonder if people dont care, or they are just staying away. It was gettin' ugly for a second. I don't blame them one bit.

[DanishBagger]

I think it's a mix, frankly.

I do believe that some do not care, but I think quite a few are staying the hell away - to a certain extent, I can see why, but what I don't get is the people that are targeting certain members aren't even coming out in the open.

Cowardice? Well, some might call it that - me, I call it lack of integrity.

[Figgy]

Wow Danish, you and Guillermo don't get along huh? What happened? I havent seen to much of that on this site. Targeting members isnt cool, but I'm not sure you can't rally against it.

[DanishBagger]

Well, I propably don't get along with a lot of people here. I'm not sure if "I will propably not succeed" is reason enough for me not to try. To me, it's about not loosing integrity. Standing up for what I believe in, even if I am outnumbered.

I don't have anything against Guillermo, or anyone else here. It's the elitism that gets me. The bullying. Which, btw, is also the reason I have abandoned the "Molly"-thread, because there's no reason to update it, if, and when, I get tossed out because of this.

[Figgy]

When you get a large group of people together, like this fourm, your bound to get a few that dont play together well. I wouldnt lose too much sleep over it.
Abandoning a thread is just like letting them win. Stand your ground and dont put up with it. Well deal with the few when we get the oppurtunity, trust me.

[DanishBagger]

Thanks for the moral support, Figgy :)

(I do have a feeling, though that our talk here should have been in pm's, though)

[Wellydeckhand]

Figgy nice AVATAR....:)

[Figgy]

Figgy nice AVATAR....:)
Thanks Welly, maby I'll stick it on the side of the cat I want to build:)

[Mayfly]

Everybody that labeled like IDIOTS are like bacteri... Some harmful while some Useful because the help digestion. Unfortunately, people tend to treat them as BACTERi.

I for one think not the name but the usefulness of oneselves in the forum.

Mayfly

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