www.atlanticchallenge.org, gigs and rules?

[Raggi_Thor]

Anyone familiar with the gigs used in www.atlanticchallenge.org ?

I have been asked for advice from a group who would like to build something simmilar, a long, slender, light boat for 10 to 14 crew for rowing and sailing.

I guess the typical gigs can be built without any CE regulations because they are copies of old vessels?

What if you make som changes or want to use strip planking with glass and epoxy? Will that change the boat into a new design?

What about the crew? Will it be classified as a passenger carrier because the crew changes all the time?

All comments are welcome :-)

[SailDesign]

Raggi - the simple answer is that you should move out of Europe :)
Steve

[Raggi_Thor]

Yeah, I suppose US Coast Guard doesn't give a dam?

:-)

[SailDesign]

Raggi - not as much as the EU does.

[Guillermo]

I guess the typical gigs can be built without any CE regulations because they are copies of old vessels?

What if you make som changes or want to use strip planking with glass and epoxy? Will that change the boat into a new design?

What about the crew? Will it be classified as a passenger carrier because the crew changes all the time?

All comments are welcome :-)

You can avoid CE rules when building craft designed prior to 1950 and using the original construction techniques. If you go strip-planking or whatever other modern method, then you'll have to comply with CE rules.

If you use the craft only for racing, you can also avoid the rules.

A boat has the consideration of Passenger Vessels when the number of passengers is over 12.

[Raggi_Thor]

Thank you Guillermo!
Maybe that's why the crew is exactly 12 :-)

I think this project will be a modified or new design, strip planked with donated wood. We will probably ask IMCI for some advice also.

[sal's Dad]

Not sure about the rules; the Atlantic Challenge and similar programs are great - my niece was cox for a US team last year in Wales, truly an amazing experience.

In the US, there are a number of programs using smaller boats; typically built and crewed by High School teams, 4-6 oars; traditioanl design, but often composite construction techniques. The Snow Row in Boston Harbor a few weeks ago was awesome to watch - http://www.lifesavingmuseum.org/races/snow_row05_results.html

"A record 76 boats turned out for the 25th Snow Row! This included 16 ocean shells, 15 kayaks, 14 pilot gigs, 12 livery boats, 8 coxed fours, 6 workboats, 2 sliding fours, 2 whaleboats, and a canoe or two. Thank you to all of our wonderful friends from Cornwall UK, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts who made the trek to Windmill Point, and thank you to Mother Nature for a gift of a day."

[SeaSpark]

Not totally sure but think CE regulations only have to be met when you sell a boat as a company to a consumer.

Don't think they are for a craft you build and use yourself.

Studied CE regulations when i worked for a mechanical engineering company.

[Guillermo]

...Don't think they are for a craft you build and use yourself...
You don't have to comply with CE rules if you build the boat for yourself (Some EU countries have national rules for this, as is the case of Spain), but then you cannot sell the boat in the CE market for five years. And if you want to sell it after that period, then...you'll need CE marking anyhow!