Forum Reputation [Archive] - Boat Design Forums

Jeff

04-02-2006, 04:02 AM

A Forum Reputation feature has been added to provide a way to encourage positive and productive communication by giving forum members the opportunity to easily give post content positive or negative feedback along with giving or taking "Forum Reputation Points" to or from other members based on the content of their posts. The post count gives an indication of how much time a member has spent on the forums here; the user reputation feature will hopefully give an indication of how much interesting, useful, and helpful content a member has contributed.

The ability to alter another member's “Forum Reputation” should NEVER BE USED FOR NEGATIVE PURPOSES. Disagreeing with another member is not a reason to give negative feedback. But if you do find a poster to be posting posts which are offensive, wildly off topic, or without any content, the reputation feature can be a subtle way to anonymously let that poster know that their behavior is not appreciated by other members of the community.

This is your opportunity to play a role in setting the tone of the community, letting helpful and interesting posters know that you appreciate their contributions, and helping troublesome members realize that their course needs to be altered.

How it works:

While in testing for the next two weeks, click the inconspicuous (and somewhat indistinct ;)) http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/images/buttons/reputation.gif icon which appears on the top right of each post and leave a quick anonymous* comment to constructively criticize or praise the content of the post itself.
*Note: forum admin/moderator(s) will be able to lookup the feedback author – if anyone abuses this feature to, for example, vote down people they do not like, rather than on the content of the post in question, they may be permanently banned from the forum.

The more Reputation Points you have, the more you can give or take away from others. The length of time you have been registered also plays a part in how much your feedback will impact another member's number.

Prior to ever giving negative feedback you should ensure you have taken the time to re-read the post you are tempted to rate negatively a couple of times BEFORE doing so. This will help to ensure you are rating constructively rather than based on pure emotion in the heat of the moment.

Positive feedback is a wonderful thing to receive and should help to encourage all of us to put a little more thought into our forum posts and discourge posters from posting "empty messages." With that said, everyone is encouraged to positively rate those posts they feel are the most interesting and helpful contributions to the forum as a way of providing recognition to all of those that provide quality content and helpful advice day after day.

Hopefully this will be a useful addition and will continue as a permanent feature after this two week trial run.

4-16-2006 Edit: In general, I feel the reputation system is a positive addition, though not perfect. The trial period has been extended from 2-weeks to 1-month.

kach22i

04-02-2006, 08:37 AM

.........and you can only see that new icon if you are logged in.

Sorry that you have to go through all of this effort Jeff.

trouty

04-02-2006, 11:18 AM

Mee too, I'm sorry we have to go thru this, when the poll says the majority don't want it - but it seems the minority holds sway regardless!

Why hold a poll, and then totally ignore what the majority say they want and impose something only a minority want?

They way I see it's this Jeff.

I believe the negative comments etc are aimed directly at me!

I believe that the minority is getting it's way, which is totally undemocratic!

It is somewhat akin to the way we are bringing democracy to the midle east, at the point of a gun! :rolleyes:

What that does is create "insurgents!" out of former citizens! :rolleyes:

Thats how I see it - but I'll play along!

I'll be the insurgent you all seem to want to push me to become!

I'm outta here for good - the only time you will see me here ever again, will be wearing ta towell around my head, shouting ali ali ackbar! :D

Nah - seriously chum - it's been fun - but if ya want me to 'piss off' just say the word - you don't need to "tip toe 'round the tulips" with this reputation crap if it's me you want gone!

I'm outta here as a matter of principal.

Two things have proven the "double standards" that apply here to me!

The political comments thread and this result result from the poll!

You and your minority are welcome to the place! I want no further part in it because what we the users wan't doesnt matter! It's an insult to our intelligence to first ask us, then do the opposite anyway, when you don't get the answer a loud and insistent minority want!

If your going to pander to a vocal minority...there is no point participating here because it's not a type of community I would want any part of, on principal!

It's been fun - but like my opposition to the war - I'm consistent in supporting my principals and usually, much later on - everone else eventually figures out I was right - as is the case NOW with Iraqnam!:rolleyes:

I'd sooner not be anywhere that I am 'ranked' by a silent minority. If I have an issue with anyone - you better believe you will know about it first hand!
Iwon't stoop to kneecapping / knobbling anyone 'anonymously' - with the tools you are providing, it's basically downunder something cuturally not acceptable!

Ihave never and never would 'complain' about anyone to Jeff the 'mooderator', having been a 'mooderator' before myself!

I choose to leave rather than participate in something I do not believe in, as "morally justifyable"!!

You had your poll - I voted No, and now I stick by those same principals Jeff!

It appears to me at least by this draconian impost that you appear to lack same.

At least my departure will please the vocal minority!

There are other boating forums on the internet!

People who wish to read what I write or ask me a question need only google search trouty or Flywest and they will no doubt find me or email me as many already do!

Farewell to those who's company I've enjoyed immensely here and sincere thanks to all those who have unselfishly assisted me with advice and taught me much about boats and boat design on this website!!

I will sincerely miss the cameraderie of a great many here, from all walks of life!

I will not however miss the vocal minority, of whiners who sem to hold sway here!!.

Cheers!

marshmat

04-02-2006, 11:31 AM

I wish you'd stick around, Trouty. I doubt you're the target here- most of us enjoy your wit and banter. The reputation thing's only on a 2-week trial anyway; if we all hate it, I suspect Jeff will scrap it. Stick around, my friend, and keep going exactly as you have for the last few years.

longliner45

04-02-2006, 11:35 AM

yea; what he said(marshmat)

RHough

04-02-2006, 08:04 PM

How the heck did I end up with a reputation of 60? I'm a loud mouthed idiot that antagonizes people that I think are too full of themselves and hype ideas that defy physics. :confused:

Now, newbies will look at my drivel and see the 60+ reputation and assume that I know what I'm talking about! :(

Now since my "rep" is so high, it has a larger effect on those posts that I offer feedback on ... :cool:

Please make it go away! :eek:

Willallison

04-02-2006, 08:06 PM

with some trepidation about venturing off-topic....
Trouty - the poll wasn't about this reputation icon bizzo - it was about something completely different that I proposed. I didn't propose it to target you. Though I think you'll have to admit - you do have a habit of rambling on a bit!:p

Doug Lord

04-02-2006, 08:10 PM

Jeff, I'll support anything you want to try-I love this forum and have learned much while being here. Anything that could reduce personal attacks and trash posts while rewarding those who are posting really usefull or serious, thought provoking ideas related to boat /sailboat design, construction or operation has got to be worth a try. Good Luck!

Jeff

04-02-2006, 08:36 PM

Please make it go away!You asked for it, with all the helpful suggestions and feedback these past few days. But I think you're right and the admin account may have too much weight by default so I've made some adjustments, as requested.

I choose to leave rather than participate in something I do not believe in, as "morally justifyable"!!

You had your poll - I voted No, and now I stick by those same principals Jeff!
That is certainly your choice so I will bid you farewell and thank you for your many positive contributions to the forum over the years despite our strong disagreement in recent weeks over chasing other forum members away. As Will says, the poll was regarding a two-tierd forum where members would have to be approved before being allowed to post in the main forums. As that involves a lot of moderation and as the majority who took part in the poll voted no, I thought I would give this alternate idea a test run.

Wellydeckhand

04-02-2006, 11:43 PM

Will the drastic measure retaine diversity of the boat design people or it is tend to pruning and forum selection based?

Jeff

04-03-2006, 01:58 AM

I don't see this as a drastic measure compared to any of the other options on the table, and doing nothing seemed to be leading to a loss in diversity of the forum in the last few months too, and not in a good way.

safewalrus

04-07-2006, 03:23 PM

Not sure where 'trouty' gets the idea from that he's the only one being shot at here!

I know someone else, some of the, dare I say it 'people from Crete - Cretins' (thats probably offensive too!) want to get rid of! The guy with THE mustache!

Sorry guys I ain't going until I'm pushed, I've toned down but not through choice but through pressure of life elsewhere in the world - I ain't got the time to mess around with fools and charlitans let alone the good parts of this forum (most of it!) But as I said above that's the way I am and will REMAIN if you don't like it you have an on / off button like everybody else! I may not be a super designer/architect or what ever but i do have some small experience of the the sea (37 Years - Master, Mate, AB, Cook (?) etc on vesels from aircraft carriers, frigates, tankers (various sizes), tugs, supply vessels, OBO's, coasters, dive support, trawlers (not a lot) crabbers and other fishing boats, dredgers, patrol vessels, Ferries, sailing vessels of various types (no square rig I'm sorry to say) so if I think your about to make a fool of yourself or kill somebody "I can swear like a sailor!" and damn well will

thats my bit for the week

Guillermo

04-07-2006, 07:35 PM

....but i do have some small experience of the the sea (37 Years - Master, Mate, AB, Cook (?) etc on vesels from aircraft carriers, frigates, tankers (various sizes), tugs, supply vessels, OBO's, coasters, dive support, trawlers (not a lot) crabbers and other fishing boats, dredgers, patrol vessels, Ferries, sailing vessels of various types (no square rig I'm sorry to say)...
All of us have our bit of experience here, Mike. But this gives us no right to insult or disrespect other people.
Let's share our big or small knowledge, and not our bad temper.

safewalrus

04-08-2006, 02:24 PM

Guillermo

04-08-2006, 03:04 PM

....If somebody is acting like an idiot I'll tell them, and I don't do it the nice way!...
But, Mike, what do you (and all of us) win with that? What positive thing does that attitude bring to these forums? Getting everybody angry with everybody? Is that what all of us expect?
You yourself said in other thread that it is not possible to change people, so, even if we think someone is stupid, are we going to change him/her by being rude? No, most people will react and then be rude on their side towards the offending person. So there we go in an spiral of real stupidity, that contributes nothing to the final reason of these forums.
On my side, I'm not here to come into 'tavern' discussions, but to learn (a lot) and contribute with my bit of knowledge when I can. If I want tavern discussions I go to the tavern, not here.
I've tried to follow this pattern myself, although I recognise that a couple of times I felt obliged to respond, because things were coming to a limit I felt something had to be done. I've found that some of the 'profesional' offenders here try to make themselves bigger by pissing others off the forums. And I'm not available to that, because I appreciate very much what we have here (thanks, Jeff), as I learn much more than I contribute. And for sure I learn nothing from permanent insults, posts without content, bad temper and tavern like discussions.
And now is good to see that Jeff has come into action and put some basic rules to avoid these forums keeping in the undesirable mood they were last times. That's going to bring back again things into a reasonable level of conversation and all of us will benefit from that and keep on learning a lot.
All the best.

DanishBagger

04-08-2006, 03:45 PM

Short point. It's weird that people think of words like "idiot" as a rude one, and thus the person using the word must be rude.

The truth is, that the rudest people I have ever met, weren't using socalled "rude" words, hiding their rudeness behind seemingly politeness, defining which words can and cannot be used, arrogance and narcissism.

Is this "reputation"-thingymajig a good thing? Well, no, frankly, but all the arguments against it and for it was put into the other thread, so there really is no point in arguing that here. But it's Jeff's place, and there is not much I can do about it. If people decide that other people can be voted out, they seemingly can now. I do not feel that that is anywhere near ideal, on the contrary.

I guess I have to get used to be assigned points (or actually have them detracted) for not being a back-padding type of bloke.

I'll wear my zero proudly.

kach22i

04-08-2006, 05:01 PM

I do have something positive to say about this system, not that it should be taken as an endorsement.

1. The fact that this system is pointed in the positive direction (a good thing), the more points being the better is refreshing.

2. For background; I once received a 25% warning rating (a negative) in forum I will call "HCA". This was and still remains my first and only problem with a forum outside of the typical clique group stuff. The reason for this warning/branding was because a power abusive administrator in let’s calls it forum "YHL" complained about something I said in "YHL" (her) forum. What did I say that was so bad? Very simple, my first post at "YHL" said that "HCA" had a nice forum and people should "check it out sometime". This started off some hate e-mails from her (the administrator) claiming I was "attacking her family". I posted her ridiculously accusatory e-mail (in both forums) and really pissed her off even more. Unknown to me at the time was that there were some old ugly feelings the administrator of "YHL" held for every member of "HCA", guilt by association they call it. The only good thing to come of it was that people started to talk about the long standing problem, which made the administrator of "YHL" go back into her hate filled hole. I was a hero to some, a black sheep to others.

3. The contempt some people in this forum have shown for others and perhaps our less serious members is a real ugliness I have felt and been victim too before. There is a happy medium out there; we just have to work together to find it.:)

Wellydeckhand

04-08-2006, 10:35 PM

Right....... We are not born to judge but surely to read forum and share some insight into human nature that make the design tick.

Ike

04-09-2006, 12:33 AM

Sorry to say this, and it's probably too late anyway, but then I'm new to this forum; but this is nonsense. This reputation idea will only be equitable if everyone who is a member participates. I don't think that many will bother. The more vocal members on both sides of the issue will, but then we have the tyranny of the vocal minority and the acqiuesence of the silent majority. And then what are you going to do? Are you going to kick people off the forum because a few cranks don't like them?

I too have participated in a lot of forums. I have left those where there is a lot of flaming and discord and name calling simply because those types of forums accomplish nothing. Most of this forum, from what I have seen of it in three days, is honest discussion pro and con of ideas. It is a valuable resource. Don't screw it up!

Well there goes my reputation! Only two days and I had to shoot off my big mouth.

Jeff

04-09-2006, 02:12 AM

I don't think that many will bother.True. And I realize that it might be a burden as well for some and they are free not to use it. At least it does give the majority the opportunity to voice their opinion and steer the community in a subtle but hopefully effective way. Further, sometimes I've wanted to say "thanks - that's great information" but not wanted to post such an empty comment in the public forum and didn't take the time to send the person an email - this provide a really quick way to say thanks to members who contribute great posts...
Are you going to kick people off the forum because a few cranks don't like them?
A few -- definitely not. Dozens or more other members disapproving of their posts -- quite possibly. There are some safeguards built in to prevent people being downvoted because a member "dislikes" them - first, new members with less than 50 posts can leave a comment which will appear under the user's cp reputation section still giving them a thank you or a hint that their post has gone off course, but have no weight to affect others' reputation points until they reach 50 posts. Second, no one can rank another targeted member's posts over and over. Third, your weight is proportion to the reputation points you've been given by others.
It is a valuable resource. Don't screw it up!
Maybe that should be our #1 rule :)
Honestly up until now that is how we ran things and it worked great... 99.9% of our members have been really wonderful time in and time out and until we started to get big, I think the sense of community kept things running along very smoothly. Now I'm simply looking for some additional tools for the community to use to help me moderate and to help keep the forums on course.

kach22i

04-09-2006, 12:43 PM

Since this problem has surfaced and been discussed to death these past few weeks, I have not seen anymore hijacking of threads with meaningless and confusing blather.

That is not to say the fun is gone, only that the funsters have already seen the light and have shown great restraint.

Perhaps those who were accused of doing the offending did not know they were hurting the toes they were stepping on and have seen the errors of their ways.

I'm thinking that the storm has passed, but it's still too early to remove the plywood from the windows and bring the boats back into the marina.

safewalrus

04-11-2006, 02:24 PM

Hers a little salutory lesson, make of it what you will -

"In certain areas of the world certain er low life who can't or won't pay their bills, you know the style; tend to get thelocal shop owners somwhat pi***d off (well the poor guy is about to go bust because of it!) and they think

!lets put a shame board up outside the shop! Put the names of all those who haven't paid on to it and they'll be so embarassed they will pay!"

don't work - in fact quite often the local 'scroats' become proud of the fact their name is on the board and others stop paying to be on it too! 5H1T one embarassed and broke shop keeper!"

See where I'm coming from/ make of it what you will.......

the Walrus (who's reputation stays at a healthy 11! Hell that's going up will have to insult someone!

Oyster

04-11-2006, 08:26 PM

Guillermo
Senior Member

On my side, I'm not here to come into 'tavern' discussions, but to learn (a lot) and contribute with my bit of knowledge when I can. If I want tavern discussions I go to the tavern, not here.

I commend you for your complete post, but in particular the above thoughts. Nicely spoken in typeset.

Mayfly

04-13-2006, 12:34 AM

Sorry , I have found and feel confused on the mood of the forum, how should I react... some senior member find girl with big boob as a boat design fantasy? And yet attained fame by bullying other who are silent and reviewing the forum? Above post seem to be the norm of offensive discussion. I am new and already felt something is missing... Friendship and helpfulness... Some thread are not answer to delibrate the caste system becausse they are Japaness or their are Indian? I see group only answer to their friends or peer and seem to ingnore the other..... This is a recommended forum by a friend... and now it seem the forum is hassel out by these group of people. I dont mind as I am new, but at least I can view as a new and outsider view of point. I think there are thousand of people feeling the same but not care to point out to the pofessional, meaning still a bit of respect but could run out... goodwill is a scared commodity these day

Wellydeckhand

04-13-2006, 01:24 AM

marshmat

04-13-2006, 01:54 PM

Um... Welly, could you clarify what you mean there? Perhaps it's just the language barrier, but I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying that you feel we should not use the 'reputation' button?

safewalrus

04-13-2006, 02:45 PM

Marshmat

I think what he means is somebody downgraded him a point and he's a littled pissed off about it 'cos they didn't tell him why (can't say I blame the guy - if your going to kick someone at least have the guts to say why! cowards we don't need! Cowardice belongs ashore with the landlubbers)

SamSam

04-13-2006, 10:46 PM

I do not really care of the rep. but soon it get '0' someone hope I will be kicked of the forum unhonorable and spread the news to my country? This is distressful.

WellyIsSad

LOL Cheer up Welly! If you get kicked off I'm pretty sure you won't get branded on your forehead or anything like that and if the rest of your country gets disgusted with you, buy them all a beer or something, they'll get over it. ;) Sam

longliner45

04-13-2006, 11:33 PM

dont worry welly,,,,,,if you get kicked off Ill drink a few beers for you!

H2O_BABIES

04-13-2006, 11:46 PM

So Poor Mr. Welly get free beer, Cheer up, I am new and scared but no worry, I think there are still alot of high regard on you.

DanishBagger

04-13-2006, 11:49 PM

Yup, and I'll join you guys :)

H2O_BABIES

04-14-2006, 12:47 AM

I think the 2 weeks trial is almost over. Just to let you know.
TAKE CARE

H2O

DanishBagger

04-14-2006, 12:49 AM

I think the 2 weeks trial is almost over. Just to let you know.
TAKE CARE

H2O

Well,that doesn't mean it won't continue to be in place :(

ErikG

04-14-2006, 02:12 AM

So what kinda rep does one have? :P

DanishBagger

04-14-2006, 08:46 AM

Well, you have 60 (it's under your join date).

Wellydeckhand

04-14-2006, 09:19 AM

He is probarly one of the unoffical moderator in disguise, or he really have tonnes of good info filling session on design and boatbuilding.

His cute..... with the picture, maybe girls like his type. Unlike me , I am bald and stupid.:)

DanishBagger

04-14-2006, 09:22 AM

No, Welly - although not quite certain how this system works - Erik has been around here since 2002, I believe that explains the relatively high number.

Wellydeckhand

04-14-2006, 09:53 AM

Yes, He deserve it................... fully. He found and loved the forum first.:)

DanishBagger

04-14-2006, 09:54 AM

Indeed, Welly :)

safewalrus

04-14-2006, 05:52 PM

Well somebody out there sure loves the Walrus -better take the other four off!

thankee kindly - won't change me so yer wastin yer time but go ahead be a muppet!

DanishBagger

04-14-2006, 05:59 PM

Well somebody out there sure loves the Walrus -better take the other four off!

thankee kindly - won't change me so yer wastin yer time but go ahead be a muppet!

What the hell, they voted you down to four!!

This is getting ridiculous. Any reasons?

Wellydeckhand

04-15-2006, 12:57 AM

It is the will of WWF all that is in the list of protected mamals must be vote to safety level in the wild.( This is a wild thing getting 4 score rep.)

Just seeing so many other enjoyable Irish and Scot leaving town would be a shame.

WDH

Mayfly

04-15-2006, 08:58 AM

His an adult Welly, he knows what he is doing.

Mayfly

04-15-2006, 09:48 AM

How much it take to be kicked anyway?

Guillermo

04-16-2006, 03:15 AM

Jeff:
Maybe it would be good to allow the giving/taking of 'reputation' points only within the more technical forums, but not in the 'Community' ones, because points are probably given more with sentiments in mind because the nature of discussions here (I think), so being more affected by personal like/dislike of others.
Just an idea.

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 05:16 AM

Sounds about right, Guillermo.

At least it would be an improvement to how the system works right now.

Wellydeckhand

04-16-2006, 07:36 AM

Why not just elect a president? This sound like a campaine toooo long.

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 07:39 AM

Why not just elect a president? This sound like a campaine toooo long.

Well, we already have a popularity contest going, so maybe, just maybe.

Of course I would rather do without this system, but if what Guillermo said could at least be done, then that would be one small step in the right direction (direction being: Getting rid of the system).

safewalrus

04-16-2006, 05:33 PM

Gilly

Again you make great sense. If we must have this God awful system, as you say it should onlu cover the technical section - the open section which can and does cover some quite provocitave subjects can esily loose people through the likes or dislikes of the minority! Well said!

Vega

04-16-2006, 07:13 PM

The rule of forum and code of conduct do not applied to backstabbing member who gave me bad rep but do not give comment.......................... That is heroic........................................ I mean I have one because exposing Micheal jackson femane side … Is it fair?... this is racialist at work!!!!!

A Forum Reputation feature … provide a way to encourage positive and productive communication by giving forum members the opportunity to easily give post content positive or negative feedback along with giving or taking "Forum Reputation Points" to or from other members based on the content of their posts. ….

…. if you do find a poster to be posting posts which are offensive, wildly off topic, or without any content, the reputation feature can be a subtle way to anonymously let that poster know that their behavior is not appreciated by other members of the community.

I was the one who gave you a negative feedback to your post with Michael Jackson disguised as a woman.

You say “Anyway I think this girl at least had her picture on the forum :D:D:D
[/QUOTE](Image of a cover of Playboy magazine with MJ disguised as a woman)

It looks (to me) out of order in a thread that intend to incentive women to post:

[QUOTE=Wynand N]Hi everyone :)
Women are quite active in other forums (Cruisers Forum comes to mind). Surely we can do with a few of them around, always nice to have a womans perspective as well, even how crooked it may be.
Wynand Nortje

Everything is a matter of opinion, but I do not find that your post has any content with the thread and in my opinion, it can degrade the image of women and homosexuals.

Saying that this has anything to do with racism and backstabbing is ridiculous.

I have nothing against you (least of all I want to see you out of this forum) and I favor an open forum, but I am a little ashamed of the content of some threads regarding women. An occasional joke is okay, but repeatedly showing women as objects (instead of sailors, designers and possible contributors to this forum) is not the way I consider fit to promote their more active involvement in this forum, not to speak of the “primitive” image that it gives of this forum, an image I don’t share and that I don’t like.

longliner45

04-16-2006, 07:46 PM

why single welly out? he didnt have a thread called (girls on boats whats with that)and there is a half dozen other threads with the same content, no wonder women stay away!as for homosexuals I havent seen anything ,,,,,not that im looking,this was not a tecknical tread to begin with,

Jeff

04-16-2006, 08:24 PM

why single welly out?Why do you say welly was singled out?? Remember the reputation system works by rating post content on a post by post basis, not forum members as a whole.

As far as the forum rules outlined in this thread, they apply to everyone.

Vega

04-16-2006, 08:29 PM

why single welly out? he didnt have a thread called (girls on boats ,

I did not single welly out. That thread was not like the thread "Girls on boats"(a generic thread). It was a specific subject thread ,that intended to incentive women to post. The welly's playboy image post did seem to me completely out of topic and without any content regarding the subject of the thread.
Off course, as I have said, it is a matter of opinion and I can be wrong. Nevertheless, it is my opinion.

longliner45

04-16-2006, 08:33 PM

understood, forum rules apply to everyone , equally, so why is everone picking on welly? and ignoring other threads that are equally off color? like ive stated before ,any woman would be sceptical of this site , cant blame them .espescially when so much is condond, if vega wants to critisise welly, why not the others??????????///

marshmat

04-16-2006, 08:36 PM

I'm afraid I've come to agree with Walrus about the reputation-points thing... seems that since I approved of several member's posts several weeks ago, I'm not allowed to leave any feedback on any posts by said members anymore. "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to xxxxx again..." well, I've left both + and - comments on many many posts since then; how many posts do I have to approve of before the system will actually work? Sorry Jeff, but I have to come out in favour of scrapping it.

Jeff

04-16-2006, 08:41 PM

longliner45

04-16-2006, 08:43 PM

vega the thread was ( wear are the woman) hardly a tecknical thread

Jeff

04-16-2006, 08:45 PM

understood, forum rules apply to everyone , equally, so why is everone picking on welly?
Evidence please? He posts a large amount, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that more posts = more feedback. His rating is now higher than when the system started two weeks ago and assigned everyone a 10 as a starting point, thus I don't see how "picking on" applies? In total, there have been 145 reputation comments made, and by scanning through the admin log of comments, it does not appear that welly was signled out or picked on.

Vega

04-16-2006, 09:04 PM

vega the thread was ( wear are the woman) hardly a tecknical thread

I did not say that it was a technical thread, I have said that was a thread with the specific purpose of incentiving women to post.
It is a thread posted by Wynard and its opening post was:

Hi everyone :)

Are there any women in this forum :?: Or are we just a bunch of MCP's?

Women are quite active in other forums (Cruisers Forum comes to mind). Surely we can do with a few of them around, always nice to have a womans perspective as well, even how crooked it may be.

Fair winds

Wynand Nortje

The subject is quite clear to me.

longliner45

04-16-2006, 09:12 PM

quit clear to me too; go back and read the thread , over half had chovenistic comments , but hey dont bother them , bother welly

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 09:14 PM

quit clear to me too; go back and read the thread , over half had chovenistic comments , but hey dont bother them , bother welly

Yup, not to mention that he was the one that dived the quickest of all of us.

(not saying that Vega stood for all that, but you do get my point).

longliner45

04-16-2006, 09:26 PM

yup not saying names but what about the skin shot by someone ,,,nothing said, this rating system is bullshit

Jeff

04-16-2006, 09:35 PM

You can't please everyone all the time... I do respect your opinion though, even if not the way you've stated it.

RHough

04-16-2006, 09:45 PM

I did not say that it was a technical thread, I have said that was a thread with the specific purpose of incentiving women to post.

The subject is quite clear to me.

So these were on topic?

That's a very nice drawing Does that guy also design boats I want to see those curves in a boat .

Hummm...if I really reply to you, Cheoylee is going to say that we are just a bunch of chauvinist males...so I would say that I love beautiful curves everywhere and anywere in and out of the boat (I drive a MR2...plenty of curves for a car).

Hey Katch, in Europe the only place where you can drive in the freeway without almost falling asleep is in Germany, where there are no speed limits ...the Germans drive very well and the outside lane is almost always free.
People just pass the car in front and return to the other lane...almost all, except the guy in the Porsche SUV that didn't get out of my way. We rolled at about 190km/h when I saw in my mirror a real Porsche coming fast. I changed lane, let him pass and returned to the fast lane on his back. The real thing stayed on the back of the SUV for about 3 minutes and then, very slowly changed to the inside lane, passed the ugly thing, went to the fast lane....and made a huge burn out before disappearing in a cloud of smoke. I guess that the guy in the SUV got the message cause he finally got out of my way

:?: :?: :?:

longliner45

04-16-2006, 09:45 PM

jeff I know you got your hands full ,Im not trying to make it difficult for you,but a blind man can see whats happening, thanks for your efforts,,,,longliner,

longliner45

04-16-2006, 09:53 PM

perfect example; before I spoke up I had 14 points , but now only 8, and no explanation,,,,,,can someone lone me some points ?

longliner45

04-16-2006, 09:58 PM

jeff? whats with that?

longliner45

04-16-2006, 10:00 PM

happy Easter everyone ,love ya all,,,,,longliner

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:03 PM

Yup, you can have a couple of mine.

What is indeed not good about this, is that you, Jeff, argue that you can't see anything wrong with how the numbers are "dealt", so to speak, hence there can be no problem. Utter faith in a system is dangerous (well, in this case not "dangerous", but naïve), and to think that a system like this wont be misused to out certain members is even more so naïve.

If you really want to check out the dealt points, take a look at wally's and welly's bad ones. I mean, take a look at the posts they were given for. And show me that they haven't been targeted more often than other on here.

Oh, and while you're at it, you could just as well take a look at the posts that longliner got degraded on.

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:04 PM

lol, longliner, give us all a little time to write ;)

Vega

04-16-2006, 10:06 PM

quit clear to me too; go back and read the thread , over half had chovenistic comments , but hey dont bother them , bother welly

I did not say that I agree with this rating thing. As I have understood it is an experiment to be tested and evaluated. I have remained about a week without giving any ratings and then I decided that Jeff deserved that we all give it a try.
I did not have rated previous posts and that one from Welly was just the first, (and the only one till now) that looked to me completely out of context and even in contradiction with the objective of the thread.
I have given a lot of positive feedbacks and if there is something that pisses me off in this system (till now) is that there are people a lot more knowledgeable than me that have ratings lower than the one I got, like Brian Eilard, Mike Johns, Guillermo etc.. That does not make any sense. Perhaps with time things go right...or perhaps this rating thing doesn't work. Time will tell.

Jeff

04-16-2006, 10:23 PM

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:35 PM

It's far from perfect, but my hope is that it will have an overall positive effect. We will see. I think a large part of the problem right now is that it's so new that every single point makes a difference... hopefully once everyone reaches 50 or 100 reputation points, a few + or - points will be taken in stride -- no one will be banned or have any other negative impact from a couple points either way. The intention is that it will be a subtle way for people to point out posts which are going over the line or that are in bad form and that the overall score will only be a small tool to assist in my moderation duties. For example, if someone has a reputation of 1,000 meaning that a great many other forums have valued their content, I can give them more leaway than someone with a forum reputation of -50 meaning that a great many other members are finding this person's posts over the line as well.

Jeff,

You said that if someone got low enough in points you would have to take action, hence a few of us would have been out the door, had there not been anybody to try and make sure that they/we weren't booted.

Now, in the post above, you're saying that since it is new, noone will get booted for a while, even if they catch a splendid round zero?

And, in the future, what will happen if someone goes to zero? For how long can they stay there before they're booted? How many weeks/how many posts after that?

And, catering the mediocre - the most popular - how will that not exclude someone who might actually give a lot to a forum, while not be the most popular. The truth is seldomly taken well, you know.

And, when someone joins this place, they will be in the same shyte position, what if they aren't popular instantly? That way they will go below zero in no time.

Plus, because everyone can see the reputation, how will you/it/the system take into account how people behave when they see how popular a choice (or a non-choice in this case) - people tend to dislike what is frowned upon by others, and they tend to like what the alpha-male/femal likes.

I can propably think of other questions, but this will have to do for now. :p

Andre

longliner45

04-16-2006, 10:36 PM

lets look at the thread (were are the women) man it was a shark fest, only one got blamed, so I disagreed with vega ,,,,,then I was punished, . but look at gilly, no points . hell hes way smarter than me, he"ll be alright as long as he dont disagree with someone, man Im not the sharpest tool in the shead but Ill bet vega gave me a negative review because I pointed out the facts ,and like I said ..a blind man can see whats going on.

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:38 PM

Hmm, posts have been deleted.

Edit: And I now get the deleted posts as mails, haha

longliner45

04-16-2006, 10:42 PM

danish probably an error on your part ,,,double check , jeff aint like that,

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:43 PM

No, no, I'm thinking there might be a bug somewhere.

longliner45

04-16-2006, 10:45 PM

at this point ,a bug might not be a bad thing for me

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:47 PM

Ah, I know what it is. Somehow it is posting both in this thread and in the code of cunduct thread when I post. Swell..

Definately a bug.

longliner45

04-16-2006, 10:48 PM

yes you are correct

longliner45

04-16-2006, 10:49 PM

does this mean I have 4 points or 16

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:51 PM

Jeff, not on topic, but it's relevant to these two threads.

First I posted and got a double (in both threads). I only get mails from the code of conduct-thread, and every time I post, it looks like I'm posting in both.

Now, longliner posted in the reputation thread, yet he shows up for me in both threads (and mine are gone from the conduct-one :confused:

Jeff

04-16-2006, 10:51 PM

And, in the future, what will happen if someone goes to zero? For how long can they stay there before they're booted? How many weeks/how many posts after that?
It depends on what they say and do. If someone complains about someone that has a reputation of -50, I don't think it would be out of place for me to boot them.
And, catering the mediocre - the most popular - how will that not exclude someone who might actually give a lot to a forum, while not be the most popular. The truth is seldomly taken well, you know.
Again, you can't please everyone. My hope is only to keep the forums a productive and interesting place for the great majority to visit.
And, when someone joins this place, they will be in the same shyte position, what if they aren't popular instantly? That way they will go below zero in no time.
If someone joins and recieves all negative feedback and members do not value any of their posts enough to give them positive feedback, why would you would recommend that they should still be encouraged rather than discouraged from continuing on that path or banned if they are not encouraged to change the nature of their posts?

Wellydeckhand

04-16-2006, 10:55 PM

Ok.................. Thanks longliner, dispute in a way where your rep point get deduct is not macho at all. You are now from a well respect person turn bad because the discussion about me. Thanks but I feel bad.

Yes....................Vega, no problem, when you stand out to explained the bad rep I feel better and treat it as alearning session. Thanks

But I have a confession on my behalf. I have made an comparision and experiment of myself on the attitude and behavior of the certain forum member in dealing with me and a fake Mayfly. Mayfly is another name for wellydeckhand that take opinion and sujestion from the forum. I wanted to know if Mayfly with his loud post would have bad rep like me. Conclusion Mayfly did not get bad rep but an increase of 5 good rep. because his Location: River Cove sound like America or Europe,? Mayfly sound like a fisherman? a westerner?

Well, I use the location: Indonesia and my real name Welly Sumanteri because I am proud to be an Indonesian and I am not a bad person on my own account, I am not a pirate that lurk in the forum for prey, I even post my company profil in the folder. What else do u need to show you that i am normal?

I dont mind if the forum think I should resign form the internet as a form of excommunication of a certain race. We Indonesian are already left behind and now the cut off from the forum member and technology viewing would mean we do not deserve it anyway.( As some of the forum member mentioned we Asian not Developing countries but THIRD WORLD COUNTRY).

Thanks for people that have support me but got bad rep because of me.

Welly Sumanteri

Indonesia

P.S. Mayfly is myself.............

Jeff

04-16-2006, 10:56 PM

Hmm, posts have been deleted.

Edit: And I now get the deleted posts as mails, hahaI have moved two pages of posts from the "Forum Rules" thread to the "Forum Reputation" thread since they were on the reputation system... I think you were just viewing the other thread as I was moving posts over to this thread.

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:58 PM

It depends on what they say and do. If someone complains about someone that has a reputation of -50, I don't think it would be out of place for me to boot them.

Aren't you just back to moderating the usual way - booting at your discretion as it should be (without the system)?

Again, you can't please everyone. My hope is only to keep the forums a productive and interesting place for the great majority to visit.

Well, of course it should be interesting for the majority. But there's a leap to go to only the most popular people. Things can quickly become so exclusive that it might bore the majority.

If someone joins and recieves all negative feedback and members do not value any of their posts enough to give them positive feedback, why would you would recommend that they should still be encouraged rather than discouraged from continuing on that path or banned if they are not encouraged to change the nature of their posts?

I'm not saying they should "be encouraged" - I'm saying that if they do not win that popularity contest, i.e. getiing MORE postive points than the negative ones, then they might get booted. People have been known (not here - yet) to really dislike "newbies" - "Who are they to come and disturb our little oasis?".

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 10:59 PM

I have moved two pages of posts from the "Forum Rules" thread to the "Forum Reputation" thread since they were on the reputation system... I think you were just viewing the other thread as I was moving posts over to this thread.

Ah, man - I was getting downright confused there for a minute :p

Jeff

04-16-2006, 11:00 PM

Aren't you just back to moderating the usual way - booting at your discretion as it should be (without the system)?
The old way I had to remember every post that a given member had made over 4 years time to know how much tolerance to give them. This gives me a quick indication of how the community at large feels about the member so I have a basis to judge a given post. It also allows all the other forum members to give their fellow or new forum members an indication of how their posts are being received, relieving some of the burden from me being the only one to send warnings to forum members that are out of line. Hopefully a few comments will be enough to redirect some members.

SheetWise

04-16-2006, 11:02 PM

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 11:02 PM

Vega

04-16-2006, 11:07 PM

So these were on topic?

Quote: Originally Posted by Vega
Hummm...if I really reply to you, Cheoylee is going to say that we are just a bunch of chauvinist males...so I would say that I love beautiful curves everywhere and anywere in and out of the boat (I drive a MR2...plenty of curves for a car).

:?: :?: :?:

Rhough, this is not nice. I believe that you had no intention but you have completely changed the meaning of the quote, not posting the question that led to that post (reply).

This is the complete transcription - Question and answer :

Vega and Yipster - did you mean to say you wanted to see all those curves in a boat - or on a boat...................if you see what I mean.,

,
Hummm...if I really reply to you, Cheoylee is going to say that we are just a bunch of chauvinist males...so I would say that I love beautiful curves everywhere and anywere in and out of the boat (I drive a MR2...plenty of curves for a car).

I am not going out of the subject, I am trying to put that thread on line again, giving a polite answer and getting back to design (I do love curves in design).

Besides, all those examples were before the set of the rules of conduct.
It is supposed that after that, everybody would start to be a lot more careful. Seems to me unfair and inappropriate the use of past examples, quoting answers without posting also the questions (that puts those quotes completely out of contest).

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 11:08 PM

It's obvious after reading this thread that the "reputation" rating is meaningless. Look at it -- do any of you sertiously believe you are providing the reader with information that will help them judge the poster (professionally or personally)? This entire thread sound like a kindergarden playground -- "Sally stole my sucker!" -- "You hit me first!" -- "Uh uh!" -- "Did so" -- "Johnny peed his pants!" ...

Besides, you all need need spelling lessons. Really, you do. Uh huh. Well, you started it ...

Well, tough luck that you think it sounds like a kindergarden, but this judging system is akin to a popularity system, meaning that people get kicked out. Even between socalled "adults" and in the "real world", "mobbing" isn't such a rare phenomenon, and if you think that noone should talk loudly about a system that promotes that sort of behaviour, I hope that you at least will accept it in "the real world".

With that said, I agree with you, that there is no information there at all, but that is not the reason it is there. It is there so the "bad apples" (i.e. not the most popular) can get tossed out. And so that someone can vote just like all the others when they see someone has a high number, or vote someone out if they see a low number.

Kindergarden? Yes, but kindergardeners are naïve, and so is this system.

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 11:12 PM

The old way I had to remember every post that a given member had made over 4 years time to know how much tolerance to give them. This gives me a quick indication of how the community at large feels about the member so I have a basis to judge a given post. It also allows all the other forum members to give their fellow or new forum members an indication of how their posts are being received, relieving some of the burden from me being the only one to send warnings to forum members that are out of line. Hopefully a few comments will be enough to redirect some members.

Wouldn't the effort of actually write to you (or another mod?) be more sincere, and would take the blunt off of the popularity contest?

Still, why are people allowed to see what points a given person has, if it's just for the good of you?

Vega

04-16-2006, 11:16 PM

but Ill bet vega gave me a negative review because I pointed out the facts ,.You are wrong, you would lose that bet;)

longliner45

04-16-2006, 11:18 PM

well vega its the same thread you jumped on welly for!but maybe im wrong been wrong before.

Jeff

04-16-2006, 11:23 PM

Wouldn't the effort of actually write to you (or another mod?) be more sincere, and would take the blunt off of the popularity contest?Then I have to read each and every comment and relay it to the original poster as a "warning" - that adds up to a lot of time in the forum of an unpleasant task :)

One idea of this was that it shifts the focus from a negative to a positive. Instead of only reacting when a given poster is so far over the line that people have "tattled to the moderator," this way quick comments will hopefully let them gauge the crowd long before they've made themselves unwelcome.

Moreover, positive reputation points should be given to posts that are especially helpful, interesting, and informative. Before there was simply "post count" with no measure of the value of those posts -- the forum reputation system is intended to reflect the value of a person's posts to the forum in a slightly more meaningful way than the post count and make posters want to attain positive reputation numbers rather than simply trying to add to an empty post count value.

Jeff

04-16-2006, 11:25 PM

But I have a confession on my behalf. I have made an comparision and experiment of myself on the attitude and behavior of the certain forum member in dealing with me and a fake Mayfly. Mayfly is another name for wellydeckhand that take opinion and sujestion from the forum. I wanted to know if Mayfly with his loud post would have bad rep like me. Conclusion Mayfly did not get bad rep but an increase of 5 good rep. because his Location: River Cove sound like America or Europe,? Mayfly sound like a fisherman? a westerner?
Yes, I thought for a minute we had a whole crowd talking to themselves with H2O Baby and H2O_Babies ... good job hammering the signup form :rolleyes: But thank you for not taking that into the other forums excessively.

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 11:33 PM

But that doesn't mean anything - a newbie, even though he might have tremendous insight will still have a lower number, so the only extra the reputation-points give, is another sort of post count. See?

You wouldn't have to relay it, if people should also pm/im/mail the poster. Or simply telling them that they are over the line (usually, that works, without even tattling, and it would only be necessary to contact you if it were really bad). This way, people are using the negatives as a way to take people down. Take a close look at wally, longliner and welly. Weirdly enough, I have gone up, even though I was one of the newbies that this seemed to be aimed at.

This certainly does not shift negatives to positives. On the contrary. It is, as I have said numerous times, a popularity contest, and the notion that it will somehow be helpful is wrong, as I already said, as it will be just another post count-thing. And who cares about post count anyways?

How about simply asking people to im someone. AND tell the "complainers" that even though they complain, they might be wrong - as is the real world (i.e. because someone complains doesn't mean that they are always in the right)?

Edit: Sorry, a post came in between as it took a while to write this.

Andre

Vega

04-16-2006, 11:36 PM

Jeff

04-16-2006, 11:37 PM

But that doesn't mean anything - a newbie, even though he might have tremendous insight will still have a lower number, so the only extra the reputation-points give, is another sort of post count. See?
No, please explain further. If a newbie comes to the forum and contributes trememdous insight, their rep will go up as people give them points for their helpful or interesting posts... based on the value of their posts.

Wellydeckhand

04-16-2006, 11:38 PM

Heh man................ nobody sleep over that side of the world? I cant catch up reading these post!!! too fast hot reply. I am having a tea break due to sore eyes.......:(

DanishBagger

04-16-2006, 11:46 PM

[QUOTE=Wellydeckhand]
Yes....................Vega, no problem, when you stand out to explained the bad rep I feel better and treat it as alearning session. Thanks
QUOTE]

Dear welly, I am relieved. As I have said, it was only my opinion. And, of course, I can be wrong. I suspect that, regarding women, there are relevant social and cultural differences that can be on the origin of different views on the subject. I have not the presumption to think that mine is better than yours.

Best regards

Paulo

Heh, see Jeff, had that "point" been send in an im, it would propably have been fine. Maybe even a little discussion would have ensued, and they/we would have been that much wiser.

No, please explain further. If a newbie comes to the forum and contributes trememdous insight, their rep will go up as people give them points for their helpful or interesting posts... based on the value of their posts.

Well, what I mean is, some people frown upon newbies. Be it because of the language, the lack of jargon there is at any place, or for whatever reason. Now, that person might be able to offer tremendous insight, but that isnight, or the way it is presented (perhaps just because it is a newbie), might not be liked by most (or should I say, by the most triggerhappy), therefore it's likely they will get negatives (for a lot of reasons, not only the ones I have written), and it's even more likely that they will get negatives to begin with than positives, as people tend to need to "weigh" people before saying anything positive about them, and the same goes for this system. However, it is easy to dismiss people's opinions and whatnot if they are new, be it here, on a work place, a school, on the street or where ever. As someone wrote recently "Patients, patients, I need patients" (he meant "patience", of course) :)

I don't know if that explains it a bit better (it's fifteen to six in the morning here, so I'm a little tired)

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 12:05 AM

Hah............... Now I know we are 6 hours Difference to Danishbagger!!!:D

Mayfly

04-17-2006, 12:11 AM

Hi everybody,

This is Mayfly and also Wellydeckhand, I thanks those people who gave me good rep and view my post as interesting. Actually, all that post is still under wellydeckhand small computer and wriiten to see the different feeling and attitute that can be attain by just changing a bit the name and location.

This experiment have concluded well and I think we learn alot about bias and thinking racist like.

Mr. Jeff can I cash in all the rep collected under Mayfly, H20_BABIES into wellydeckhand and delete Mayfly and H2O_BABIes as resgistered member?

Wellydeckhand

trouty

04-17-2006, 12:18 AM

Jeff

04-17-2006, 12:20 AM

Jeff

04-17-2006, 12:27 AM

I see my choice was correct!

There was & is great opposition to the 'reputation' feature!
It was a fortnight trial!
It's been altered / edited as now a 1 month trial.:rolleyes: :mad:
No discussion, no poll, no question as to what the members want!:mad:
Just a dictate from down on high to the lowly unwashed membership!:mad:
I've come back after the fortnight trial to see what ensued!:confused: :confused:
What ensued was NOT in any semblance democratic!:mad:
What the members want here carrys ZERO weight!:mad:
What the Site owner states / practices cannot be relied upon! He is inconsistent! ow can ANYONE abide by what he says he wants, when he himself does NOT know or show ANY consistency!
My choice to leave and the reason for it - Jeff NOT having any ethics or consistency, in regards to what members want, is yet again proven by his actions!
My choice was correct!
I will NOT be back at the end of another 2 weeks to see how it ended up this time round!
A longtime member speaks!
Goodbye!
Again, I know I said this when you said you were leaving for good two weeks ago, but again, farewell Trouty. Thank you for the on-topic posts over the years, and may you find a forum that better fits your views. Since you have done your best to drive other members away from the forum including blatent insults and namecalling, I suppose it is only fitting that your ship has now sailed.

H2O_BABIES

04-17-2006, 12:35 AM

Yup..........

This is H2O_BABIES and also wellydeckhand, I am new but got positive notch because I am wriiten as family man. I recently got 6 male cub born so did not lied on purpose........... my dogs are a part of my family.

Great-time I have been on the web and have to sign off, pls remember dont choose wellydeckhand for president.... his sucked..... but nice.

I will miss you all take care and god bless you all.

H2O_BABIES

Jeff

04-17-2006, 12:40 AM

For reference, I looked it up and this is the post that H20_BABIES got 1 vote - 3 reputation points - for: http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=83557#post83557

Hi, I am new, I feel that this forum is neat with so many professional people, so why would anybody defame one another?

To me, finding information on boat topic and discussion about hope of dream ship is what driven alot of the guys in this forum coming.

Imagine we get all these great ideas to add on to our dream ship by people that is caring and professional on the forum.

I am still cant feel the fight and hope doesnt need to feel it.

I am sure you guy are doing everything to make this bad thing go away,
GOODLUCK GUYS.

H2O
I agree :) (but I am not the one who gave the positive rep points there.)

Figgy

04-17-2006, 12:47 AM

Is this for real? Most fourms I've ever been too don't take too kindly to having multiple profiles, and I don't think it's cool myself. What are you trying to prove? We get it, people are biased. Well I hope your proud of proving nothing we didnt already know.

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 12:56 AM

Dont worry I dont like doing Split personality, it destroy my scheduled eating session by the PC and does make me too professional. I will now only stick to wellydeckhand.

Jeff is kind to let me by on this case of mutiple personality in one forum. It better to have many same personality in various different forum....... more heathly and sane.

Wellysanenow.

P.S. It is so painful to destroy the 2 character I have developed........... It is almost apart of myself. Do understand I suffer in the end also.:(

Jeff

04-17-2006, 01:02 AM

Heh, see Jeff, had that "point" been send in an im, it would propably have been fine. Maybe even a little discussion would have ensued, and they/we would have been that much wiser. The problem is, before the reputation system, nothing happened until things reached a boiling point. Most people don't want to confront another member when they feel they are "slightly over the line" so nothing is said until things are way over the line. Or we simply lose members who have a lot of valuable information because it is not worth the hassle and time to either:
1.) try to read through bickering, off-topic, insulting, or non-substantitive junk posts, or
2.) spend their time confronting other posters

Figgy

04-17-2006, 01:12 AM

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 01:21 AM

yup, I think people should respect one another and more for the resources and time had been taken to make this forum possible. It would be a shame if we lose this paradise of neutrality to some thead and individual or groupy wills.

WellyNeutralReally

Jeff

04-17-2006, 01:32 AM

Well, many of the points raised do have validity and I'm happy to get the input even though I do believe the benefits do outweigh the drawbacks at the current time. I sincerely thank everyone for their thoughts on both sides of the issue.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 06:32 AM

I see my choice was correct!

There was & is great opposition to the 'reputation' feature!
It was a fortnight trial!
It's been altered / edited as now a 1 month trial.:rolleyes: :mad:
No discussion, no poll, no question as to what the members want!:mad:
Just a dictate from down on high to the lowly unwashed membership!:mad:
I've come back after the fortnight trial to see what ensued!:confused: :confused:
What ensued was NOT in any semblance democratic!:mad:
What the members want here carrys ZERO weight!:mad:
What the Site owner states / practices cannot be relied upon! He is inconsistent! ow can ANYONE abide by what he says he wants, when he himself does NOT know or show ANY consistency!
My choice to leave and the reason for it - Jeff NOT having any ethics or consistency, in regards to what members want, is yet again proven by his actions!
My choice was correct!
I will NOT be back at the end of another 2 weeks to see how it ended up this time round!
A longtime member speaks!
Goodbye!

Actually, I'm grateful that the trial has been "prolonged". If it were only a fortnight, it would have been "for good". At least this way we get to at least give some input before it is "for real".

Even if that means a fortnight more of purgatory.

I wont comment on the other things you say, but I will say this, that there were enough people bitching (excuse me), that Jeff had to take some sort of action. I don't agree with the choice of action, but, well - then it's my turn to bitch to counter the first.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 06:44 AM

Why are you defending yourself Jeff? I,personally don't think you need to. Its your site, do what you want. You gave us your reasons and it should be good enough. If any of us dont like it we can leave. I'm going to stay, this site is a great resource! How did it seem to get so petty...

I know, this is a bit pedantic, but since very few is attacking him, he isn't defending himself. We are having a difference of opinions. A discussion. And it means a lot to me, and I am sure others, that he is willing to do so. We are all aware that it is his place, but if he merely shut up and ignored us then that wouldn't make a good host, so to speak.

I'll say it again, I'm grateful that Jeff is taking this discussion in stride.

Andre

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 06:52 AM

So early..... I mean late in the evening? Just woke up.....?

Figgy ok.... he just abit piss at me having a multi-personality disorder...or he is just interested in Mayfly character........ I intended Mayfly to be a she anyway.:):):)

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 07:07 AM

Yup, just woke up (now a little while ago) at noon ...

Hehe, welly, if we are to bitch at the rules, the number one rule would be to keep our own house clean ;)

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 07:10 AM

Easy for you..... u have just a few boxes....:D:D:D

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 07:12 AM

Easy for you..... u have just a few boxes....:D:D:D

Hehe, yes, but my broom is rather short, as you might guess :P

SeaSpark

04-17-2006, 07:19 AM

Hey Wellydeckhand you avatar seems more suited to a political forum at the moment.

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 08:13 AM

It is a buddah signature peace not power like the Nazi...... the triangle is the design I incorperate. I drew it on the wooden wall of my shipyard and decieded that I would use it on the Shipyard LOGO.:)

I dont think anyone in the world can claim this logo...... because I drew it during phases of my boredom.:)

Wellydeckhand

PS. I think someone deduct my rep based without explaination of my logo? How silly some use the forum power.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:19 AM

Still, even if I try to stay open and whatnot, I still get bad connotations from it.

Unfortunately, The Nazis screwed that sign up for good, and you can't just decide that that is not hwat it has come to symbolise.

Sorry, Welly, but I have to agree, that is not a good message to send, even if it's us that aren't open enough.

Even though I wasn't even thought of at the time of WWII, I'm a european, and that symbol is so strong that I almost feel nausea, just from looking at.

It's good, though, that you can abstract from the nazi-connotations, but I can't. I'm not that big a person.

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 08:24 AM

Ok Itry to change it...........:) the wind is to another direction for nazi.......:) peace.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:25 AM

True welly, that wasn't how the system was supposed to work

Edit:

Thanks, Welly, that would be nice - I know you don't mean anything bad with the symbol. :)

Figgy

04-17-2006, 08:27 AM

The nazi swastica swings one way, the "good luck" goes the other. I think your ok.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:29 AM

The nazi swastica swings one way, the "good luck" goes the other. I think your ok.

Yes, he would be "OK" in a legal sense.

I did notice it swung the other way, however, the connotations are the same - the direction doesn't matter as to how it is perceived to most people.

Edit: Nice welly, now your avatar is good again :)

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 08:32 AM

Well, SeaSpark who is not a buddist and no knowledge or wanna ask from PM immediately gave me a bad rep.?

Why not just send me a PM before hand, ask me if I am thinking what he is thinking? Why must he be trigger happy?:( It is not that I do it on purpose........

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 08:34 AM

I will suggest all buddah temple need redo their signature because of fear of Nazi........ what happen to good luck?

Figgy

04-17-2006, 08:35 AM

the wind is to another direction for nazi.
Oops..he said that, he throws me off sometimes:)
the connotations are the same - the direction doesn't matter as to how it is perceived to most people.
Kinda small minded tho'. (not of you)

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:37 AM

I will suggest all buddah temple need redo their signature because of fear of Nazi........ what happen to good luck?

well, it disappeared in the western world with the appearance of the Nation Socialist party.

Unfortunately, this episode shows how little is accomplished by taking "reputation" from people, how much it promotes misperceptions, and how a post or an im can make things better, faster, and more understandable.

Oyster

04-17-2006, 08:38 AM

http://boatdesign.net/forums/profile.php?do=editlist

The forum hardware offers a great feature in each members profile setup called a buddy/ignore list and works great to remove the predictable content that occurs from regulars. Thanks Jeff for taking an active role lately. Freedom of speech does come with some consequences in a free and open society. Just ask some present day musicians and politicans, too. :)

There are plenty of internet forums that are centered around world politics, which will never be solved by online print or will ever solve anything of any value. There are also boat forums that have a section that allows for selective hostile content and will stifle freedom of speech and allow for this one sided attaboy conversation too.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:39 AM

Erm, Figgy, that was me saying that, not Welly.

And I do agree that it is smallminded, but it's difficult to escape the connotations one gets from looking at it.

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 08:40 AM

I didnt write the second quote in your previous post FIGGY.:eek:

Sorry , no enemy list..........

Figgy

04-17-2006, 08:43 AM

oh! Im sorry! i didnt see thats how it went in. I know Welly didnt say that...oops:( I quote by hand. not sure how to use the little box.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:47 AM

The problem is, before the reputation system, nothing happened until things reached a boiling point. Most people don't want to confront another member when they feel they are "slightly over the line" so nothing is said until things are way over the line. Or we simply lose members who have a lot of valuable information because it is not worth the hassle and time to either:
1.) try to read through bickering, off-topic, insulting, or non-substantitive junk posts, or
2.) spend their time confronting other posters

A recent example of my point would be the logo/avatar discussion. I too found that offensive, but all things equal, what accomplished the change of it? An argument as to why it felt "wrong". A little communication and that was it.
If people take that as "confrontation", then something is wrong, frankly. It's a matter of stating what one believes in, instead of just simply putting people down. If people really feel they are insulted, and not just want to put someone else down, they should also be willing to make an effort. Otherwise I doubt they really care.

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:48 AM

oh! Im sorry! i didnt see thats how it went in. I know Welly didnt say that...oops:( I quote by hand. not sure how to use the little box.

Press the quote button instead, that way it goes automatically :)

When I quote several posts, I open each quote in a new tab, reply to the first one, copy/paste it into the next and so forth, and only post the last one.

Andre

DanishBagger

04-17-2006, 08:57 AM

Uhm, sorry about the off-topicness of the avatar-discussion, but I figured that if it a little communication worked, it could be used as an example. I could have IM'ed him instead, but in order to use it as an example of how the system has an inherent tendency to take away proper communication, it should be out in the open.

The off-topicness of quoting was, well, simply a mistake.

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 09:00 AM

No worries I think Jeff understand you.......... SeaSpark and me suffer a Bad Rep...... and I feel ok.:)

Vega

04-17-2006, 09:12 AM

... seems that since I approved of several member's posts several weeks ago, I'm not allowed to leave any feedback on any posts by said members anymore. "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to xxxxx again..." well, I've left both + and - comments on many many posts since then; how many posts do I have to approve of before the system will actually work? .

I agree with Marshmat on this. I think you have to modify something in your system. I understand your intention to prevent "friendly rewards", but if we can not in true justice reward informative and interesting posts, what is the point?

Take an example. I have learned a lot with this post. I want to give a much deserved positive feedback to this post: Longliner
8 points ! Someone took umbrage did they? you really should learn to behave yourself :)

On a wooden boat it depends on the ballast material attached. If its cast iron then galvanised mild steel bolts are the best. If it's lead then Monel or Silicon-Bronze should be used but never stainless steel (neither 304 or 316).

On other hulls it's a different story and stainless is at times required. but the propensity of wooden hulls to soak makes them prone to causing the failure of stainless steels in short order.

Also as Danish bagger says ....titanium would be ok if you can find the $$$.

Incidently remember that the cut thread is a stress raiser so never use threaded rod always thread the ends of round bar.

Cheers

.....and I get the "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to xxxxx again..."
I don´t remember when I gave another positive feedback to Mikejones, but I can say that if I have given it, it was because I have found it deseved it, not him, put the post. That is not the first time that this has happened to me., I mean the story of :"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to xxxxx again..."

Wellydeckhand

04-17-2006, 09:27 AM

Yes, it happen to me.......... when we want to give it to someone, take a couple of hours, we would have forgotten where the post is anyway.....:)

longliner45

04-17-2006, 10:02 PM

thanks for puttin up with us jeff,,,,,,longliner

Figgy

04-17-2006, 10:45 PM

thanks for puttin up with us jeff,,,,,,longliner
I'll second that. Thanks Jeff!

Guillermo

04-18-2006, 01:07 AM

I suggested in 'Forum/Rules...' thread to allow the reputation giving/taking of points to be done only at the technical forums but not in the Community ones, as nature of discussions here may rise somewhat the temperature...

This post disappeared and Jeff told me it was moved to this thread, but I do not find it :confused:

Also disappeared an agreeing answer from Dannisbagger (I have no copy of it), at least another one (I don't remember the content) and this Mike the Walrus' one:
"Again you make great sense. If we must have this God awful system, as you say it should only cover the technical section - the open section which can and does cover some quite provocitave subjects can esily loose people through the likes or dislikes of the minority! Well said!"

Jeff

04-18-2006, 01:11 AM

It's many pages back in this very thread:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=83846#post83846

Guillermo

04-18-2006, 01:21 AM

It's many pages back in this very thread:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?p=83846#post83846

Sorry, Jeff. Thanks.
Don't you sleep, as it happens to me? :)

longliner45

04-18-2006, 09:07 PM

how about if it takes 3 or 5 members to issiu a point,,,,,,,? no ganging

safewalrus

04-19-2006, 05:52 PM

And how can you tell if several members are NOT ganging? especially if they have ganged before, why has this particular point suddenly become an issue when before it was about trying to get rid of someone who says he don't like your hair colour or whatever?

'Fraid I still don't like it! Yeah to a certain extent it's OK in the technical side (if you are faceless, don't know or don't have any experience, stay off the net but what if you have. and more to the point what IF somebody sez I'm going to do such and such any opinions - and everybody is scared of the points system and this guy thinks "well nobody has said anything, so it must be OK I'll go and do it!"

Post from his wif er widow a couplea days later " the old man won't be posting again you guys said it was OK to ...., so he did and now he's dead! how do I tell his six children? and feed em? wwe have no welfare in this country!"

Sorry I'm not allowed to think like this but .....what if

longliner45

04-19-2006, 05:58 PM

see your point man.....longliner

Jeff

04-19-2006, 07:40 PM

Certainly if someone gives dangerous advice on the forum and other members know so, they will continue to be encouraged to post a reply to that effect and hopefully thanked for doing so. But there were other situations where a member just routinely posts off-topic or 'clown-ish' replies where the majority of the community wishes to discourage this - if you simply turn the thread into a discussion about the particular poster, you drift it further off-topic, so in that case the reputation system will hopefully be a somewhat helpful tool to keep things on topic and to give feedback without taking away from the main discussion at hand and without having to invest too much time to do so. My goal is for the reputation points to be just a small feature that can be helpful to posters to gauge how their posts are being recieved... I don't necessarily think anyone has to worry whether their reputation changes from 31 to 32 (or vice-versa.) I'll only be using the reputation points as moderator to gauge whether someone has a positive 500, 100 or negative 50 to determine how much latitude to give them when things are in a gray area. I have not seen evidence of ganging being a problem to date - I think the great majority of people on the forum here have a lot of integrity and will use the system responsibly to make the forum a better place.

safewalrus

04-20-2006, 02:59 PM

Still have my doubts, but hell I can live with it, if I can't I'll tell you and go - 'tis after all your cafe so you got a few more rights than most!

Guillermo

04-22-2006, 03:23 AM

Jeff:
I tried to give Greenseas2 a positive 'reputation' for his interesting and helping contributions, but surprisingly his reputation came down from 18 to 13, instead of going up! :confused:

Jeff

04-22-2006, 03:33 AM

Searching for all reputation given to username Greenseas2 only yeilds your positive reputation points so far which should have taken him from 10 (default) to 13... I don't see where the 18 might have come from :confused:

Guillermo

04-22-2006, 04:37 AM

Maybe I confused 18 and 10....:confused:
Sorry

Wellydeckhand

04-25-2006, 04:55 AM

See an article in code of conduct can double post on stalker.

hansp77

05-11-2006, 11:24 AM

just a question,
even though I do my best not to care about this whole rep thing,

when you press the User CP thing, what do the colors of the little badges infront of the the threads where reputation has been given mean. Green orange red etc..
I am assuming that red means bad. This might then explain the fluctuation of my points.

Now I really don't care about this points thing, but,
As I love a good constructive debate, and thus welcome good critiscism, I think that if someone wants to go to the trouble of posting a negative reputation, then they should also post a reason as to why.
Seeing as though the comments seem to be untracable (am I wrong?), then there should be no reason other than laziness or just personal dislike for not posting a reason for a negative rep.

Here I am not asking for anyone who may or may not have given me a bad rep to "fess up"- I think the anonymity of the system is one of its benefits. I just think that if people are at all meant to try to change or reflect upon what they have said that has offended someone, then they need some sort of feedback rather than just positive or negative.

Now I am not accusing anyone of doing this to me.
I don't even understand this system.
I am not particularly against it, and have used it myself on a couple of occasions to show my appreciation of others posts, with comments.

But,
with no gripes for the system,
my main question remains,
What do those colours mean?

P.S.
Jeff.
As I first tried to figure this out in the FAQ section, and couldn't seem to find anything on it, (and unless my male domestic blindness has now spread to the computer screen aswell)
Maybe it would be a good idea to have a little paragraph explaining how this all works in there. (unless of course it is still on trial and this is why it is not there)
And while I'm at it,

thank you for providing the space for us all to form and partake within this community. For me it has been a source of invaluable knowledge, advice, pleasure, amusment, freindship and on the other side ADDICTION.
Much thanks, and I do hope- as I seem to remember you saying -that this can eventually pay off in the form of a book or something for you.
Hans.

Vega

05-11-2006, 11:57 AM

just a question,
when you press the User CP thing, what do the colors of the little badges infront of the the threads where reputation has been given mean. Green orange red etc..
I am assuming that red means bad. This might then explain the fluctuation of my points.
...........

with no gripes for the system,
my main question remains,
What do those colors mean?

Hey! I don't know what you are talking about.
What colors? Are they beautiful ?:D
How do you have a look at them? And of course, (I now even less than you) what is their meaning?

Edited:

Well I have found it! Interesting. Can we see all the data, or only the last ones?
What means a Grey or bluish one?

hansp77

05-11-2006, 12:07 PM

Vega,
If you go up to the top left hand corner of the page (this page or any boatdesign.net page) there should be a white heading saying 'User CP'. (next to FAQ, next to members list, next to calender, etc...)
Press it.
You should now see what posts people have given you reputation points for, good or bad.
If yours is anything like mine,
then all the colors of the rainbow (well not quite)
Considering your rep of 44, you probably have a few more of one color than the other.
Maybe this way we can figure out what it means...

Indeed, if you are a fan of little mysterious differential squares of color, then they are beautifull.
If you are not a fan, then they just remain mysterious,
same too with their meaning.

Hans.

Wellydeckhand

05-11-2006, 12:46 PM

When we give a button 2 good point is awarded but if we press bad only 1 neg point is given....... JEFF is kind.......:)

Mayfly

05-19-2006, 06:32 AM

I am the cousin of welldeckhand, I think I use this instead of signing up again can or not? I am trying to learn the trade, Traditional way of making wooden boat.:) dont be offence by my intrution.

kach22i

05-19-2006, 12:14 PM

So we still have reputation points?

I could of swore that I read earlier they were going away.

Recount.:D

Raise your hand if you are sucking up to the moderator, Jeff has 121 points!

Wellydeckhand

05-19-2006, 12:22 PM

He is a good moderator, the point is just a guide, he could have negative bottomless pit point if he is not professional........ fortunately so far so good;)

WDH

Frosty

06-13-2006, 09:04 PM

Well heres my bit if any one wants to listen to a guy with only a 12 rep. personally I cant describe the sillines of it all. If you must have it then I think that it should be that a points can be given but not taken away. It is ludicrous that any person can for any reason and even without giving any reduce anothers reputation. I had a point knocked off me last night,-I have no idea why, so I cant change what I have done because I dont know what I have done. I gave a proper input and tried to help a guy on transom design . I have been there done this and spent hours of time trying to solve this same problem, I gave my time and effort for free and got a point deducted for it.
Well if that sounds to you like it will encourage me to try harder. I dont think so. What did I do?
Rules Rules Rules. I left England because of people with clip boards telling you what to do. Hundreds of new rules every day are put onto this planet. Do you see anything getting better?

Wellydeckhand

06-13-2006, 09:34 PM

dont worry, I had the same thing going on before, but it seem a point or 2 knock from your shoulder wont effect your routine forum activities, although I did not give you the neg point:)

Frosty

06-13-2006, 10:59 PM

Cant any one see this is the destruction of the Forum, Its like a worm in your computer. It so open to reputation abuse,--Most can see it for what it is, some think it beneficial, ---rubbish. Oh well when the forum gets less and less active some one will work it out. Hey do you remember seeing Sadam Hussain with his military uniform on. All those medals that his Generals had awarded him.

hansp77

06-13-2006, 11:26 PM

Jack, I sypathise with your frustration.
I am of the opinion that if anyone is going to go to the effort of giving a negative rep, then they MUST also go to the effort of giving you a decent explanation.
Seriously, what is the point otherwise?
You play guessing games with yourself, maybe it was this, maybe that.

Maybe we could make some silly name for this sort of behaviour (just to make the system even more confusing for the beginner:p
eg. "Someone just gave me UNP?" (Unexplained Negative Reputation)

I am not sure it is completely useless though.
We must give Jeff the freedom to manage the sight as he sees fit.
And beware! talking about Sadam Hussain in a reference to high reps??
Thems negative rep words me thinks!:D :D :eek:

I think also that normal members should be able to give positive, but not to take away.
Maybe there could be system where a post could be reported, and a moderator would decide if a negative rep was deserved or not. It would be a much higher maintanence system, but at least one could feel that a third party had verified it, rather than it was just a personal dislike.

In the end though, it is just a number, so if you don't like it- like me- then just try to ignore the damn thing. People will be people, and some people have always preferred to settle their grievences by stabbing others in the back down dark alleyways (maybe a bit dramatic ;) ) rather than confronting them face to face.
Sure the system can be abused, but (as Jeff saw it) 'something had to be done.'
And it is 'his place' that we are using.
It is not all that bad.
I just use the system as I would like it to be used. If I like someones post, and efforts, I give them positive rep, if I don't like their post, then I tell them why, in a post, or in a personal message, or I just ignore it- I don't give negative rep. Or at least not yet... [EDIT- I think…]

Frosty

06-14-2006, 12:44 AM

Well I am still here,-- I havent been banned yet,-I suppose it will be a few hours before our Americam friends get out of bed. Then they will be shocked at my reference to ---who was it? and slander my reputation to minus 10.
Now there an Idea,-- minus reputation? Reserved for absalute morons ( RAM)who have no idea about keeping a post in line with its thread, Rabbling on about there equipoise 3 blader and their wifes hemmeroids in a thread named "carberettor adjustments" Any way thanks hansp and you welly for the only 3 points I ever got, sorry I lost one already( dam I wish I knew why)
When I first started this forum thing I didnt know what a thread was or post. I probably put a few threads in the wrong post. But heaven forbid any one doing that these days. This henous crime carries severe penanlties. There are actually some people that have over 120 reps, If this trial period has been running for only 1 month,- then thats,-- well 4 per day.Oh Oh I am thinking about that man again. Sorry ,sarcasm is one of my best attributes.
I agree with you hansp 100%-- Funny though Although quite frankly I dont give a dam ,it is the reputation that I look at first when I fire up the ole forum in the mornings, can we really say we dont care? of course we care. When your old and retired and no longer have a job or position in life, your reputation is all you have. Young people will not understand but to give a man a medal is one thing but to take it back Whooa, its the most,--- well you know what I mean. It a sensative thing to tamper with, but it shouldnt be there for just any one to tamper with.

Figgy

06-14-2006, 12:53 AM

just try to ignore the damn thing.
I try, but I can't. I got knocked once for something stupid, a bunch of us have. We say something that someone takes out of context, or doesnt understand and we get hit for it. I try not to give out neg. points, but when I do, it's for a good reason, (i.e. bad conduct) and I tell them why.
Now, do we pay more credence to the person with a 70 rep than the person with 9? THATS where the point system might fail us. Oh well tho'. This is Jeffs house, when I come to Jeffs house, I follow his rules. If I dont like it, I can leave. To me its a small price to pay. I guess I just rehashed Hansp77s' post, sorry Hans.
I can tell you this tho', I do alot less posting now.

UNP (Unexplained Negative Reputation)

HAHA!! Thats great! I'm going to use it:)

hansp77

06-14-2006, 01:39 AM

Ok guys,
I admit,
I do care too. I just try not to care.
It does bother me to loose Rep.
For the plebs, like me, it really is hard to earn, and damn easy to loose.
You go to so much effort (which I don't mind to say I enjoy) to help people, and one day your rep creeps up. You feel good, encouraged, and thankfull to the person who has acknowledged your efforts.
Then you say one thing that is silly or misunderstood, or make a joke (Jack, beware of that sarcasm, it has got me in more trouble than anything else) and you get slapped with a UNP. You feel discouraged, you have no avenue of recompense, and you feel a bit insulted.

I know what you mean about posting less. I certainly do. But hey, maybe for me that is a good thing, as I am no expert, and usually have better things that I should be doing with my time.

But, I like this place alot, otherwise I wouldn't keep coming back.
Hans.

Frosty

06-14-2006, 02:52 AM

Hey I got some more points,look everybody I got 15 now. I want points gimme gimme gimme. I dont care about helping any more,- gimme points. What did I say what did I do,--ille say it again.
Your probably right about my sarcasm, but I thank you for the points, I know your intitials sir but dont know who you are, I suppose I am to keep it anonimous are'nt I. However I fear I will have lost most of them by the days end.

DanishBagger

06-14-2006, 04:24 AM

Yup, the reputation points are a joke.

While I have been away, it seems to have evolved into what we (the opposers) thought it would. A platform to punish those "we" do not like, and pad the ones we like on the shoulder. It is by no means "useful", except for the people bullying. I know that you have to "spread" it out, so it will take some time before someone can give you yet another negative rep, but time hasn't shown that time itself stops bullying.

Frosty

06-05-2007, 03:28 AM

I have just been deducted one single point,, Obviously some one new, who thinks am am too arrogant!!! attached to a post about my friends death in America.

I talk straight and precise and say whay I think-- thats not arrogance.

I have 47 now-- My reputation is now a bit emabrasing. With 47 and 1500 posts I look like a prick.
I have decided to no longer give away free advice of my 40 years of boating and as a profesional engineer.

I shall now continue to talk utter bollocks with a few mates who also I strongly suspect have done the same.

I dont see Gonzo around much any more iether.

Sensative? maybe --I would prefer a little appreciation thats all,-- not a kick in the balls

Bergalia

06-05-2007, 07:51 AM

I have just been deducted one single point

Oh stop whining you little prat...I've just given you one of my own to replace it...now don't go losing it....:rolleyes:

Frosty

06-05-2007, 10:15 AM

Berg that is great and I thank you sincerely from the heart of my bottom . But it doesnt change a thing, some prick from Arizona living 600 --what ever miles from the sea that has built a dinghy from an old wardrobe signs up on the forum and can immediately start deducting points from some one that has been here 5 years because his friend says that not true.

This is bollocks and I am deducting points from Jeff . Reason being --unable to run a forum.

I strongly suggest that if any ones else feels this way deduct from jeff Giving your name and reason why.

I feel like I am going over the top here, yet still feel right in this.

Bergalia

06-05-2007, 10:53 AM

....This is bollocks and I am deducting points from Jeff . Reason being --unable to run a forum.

Oh stop whingeing Frosty. You know very well you can't deduct points from Jeff, he's now modelling for 'Latex and Leather' :rolleyes:

marshmat

06-05-2007, 11:12 AM

Frosty

06-05-2007, 11:24 AM

I can't help but notice that this thread keeps repeating itself.
Is the point system perfect? No. Does whining about it help matters? Not really. Do constructive suggestions offer hope for a system everyone likes a bit more? Yes, so I will begin by suggesting that we avoid complaining for the sake of complaining, and offer solutions.
If people feel that someone new to the forum with hardly any postings has too much effect on the rep points, let's propose that the threshold post count before you can affect rep. be increased. There are solutions to every problem and every argument, if we're willing to work together to find them.

That is very true, but Jeff is unwiling to make any modifications in any way to improve this stupid system. It is therefore my belief that he can not, and is restricted by software of the forum itself.

We have even discused abandoning the simple and anoying anonimity with no success.

If you feel it needs improvement deduct from jeffs rep points as I have done. He is aware of the situation.

Frosty

06-05-2007, 11:38 PM

Thanks again Berg for the rep points but as I said it not the point. Jeff has now deducted from me as punishment for questioning his judgement.

Frosty

06-06-2007, 12:19 AM

Thanks again Berg for the points but Jeff has took them away as punishment I guess for questioning his judgment.

He took 11 ouch.

Jeff

06-06-2007, 04:29 AM

I did note why I gave you negative rep points. As I said, I didn't think this was a very nice attitude, nor healthy for the community:
I have decided to no longer give away free advice of my 40 years of boating and as a profesional engineer.

I shall now continue to talk utter bollocks with a few mates who also I strongly suspect have done the same.

Having worked on building this since 1999, I also found your tone to be unnecessarily rude to the point of being insulting.
This is bollocks and I am deducting points from Jeff . Reason being --unable to run a forum.
Questioning is always fine -- I certainly can't promise I'll always agree or have the tools to immediately implement them, but I very much appreciate the suggestions and input. Being downright rude I do not appreciate.

Bergalia

06-06-2007, 09:05 AM

....I am deducting points from Jeff . Reason being --unable to run a forum.
I feel like I am going over the top here, yet still feel right in this.

Frosty, much as I 'love' you, as indeed I do my dog which has worms and goat which eats my roses...You have gone way over the top.
Jeff, bless his elastic stockings and aura of 'wintergreen' is doing a job that few of us would willingly attempt. From what I can see he's done a magnificent job holding this forum together containing as it does such a wide and diverse collection of experts, amateurs, has-beens, would-be's and just plain nuts like you and I.
Attack your fellow forum members - they're ugly enough to defend themselves. But Jeff has to remain in the background - a moderating hand - neutral in all postings. It's a job neither you nor I would tackle with relish. Now - go to your room and don't come out until you're ready to apologise...and don't put your tongue out at me young man....

(PS Jeff - don't forget those five points you promised me....:)

Poida

06-06-2007, 09:16 AM

I personally reckon Jeff's doing a great job, wizz bang, you beaut, damn ripper, bonza, cracker, awesome and OK.

I'm sure as Jeff can take points off for being rude he can give points to those who praise him.

Did I mention you are doing a great job Jeff?

Poida

Bergalia

06-06-2007, 09:25 AM

Hey Poida - I'll do the grovelling if you don't mind....:P

Frosty

06-06-2007, 11:57 AM

So do I --he has took my advice and stoped the newcomers from deucting.

Bergalia

06-06-2007, 06:06 PM

...he has took my advice and stoped the newcomers from deucting.

And quite right too. Deucting is as bad as a grown man wearing latex, leather and stilleto heels.....:)

alan white

06-06-2007, 08:16 PM

Frosty, do you know the story about the Sneeches, who had stars on their bellies? The other Sneeches had no stars upon thars.
Yet, they knew quite a bit about marine issues, I bet.
They lived by the sea, if I remember correctly.

alan white

06-06-2007, 08:20 PM

And quite right too. Deucting is as bad as a grown man wearing latex, leather and stilleto heels.....:)

On a boat at least. You meant on a boat, right?

apex1

05-04-2009, 06:58 PM

Why does the CP show some comments added to the rep. points with a grey point instead of a green one, although the comments are positive and one should expect that this would add to the rep. But it does´nt!?
Any idea?
Regards
Richard

Jeff

05-09-2009, 02:09 AM

If the person making a positive or negative comment doesn't have at least 50 posts and a reputation of at least 10, their comment doesn't alter the reputation number of the member whose post is being commented on, but their comment is passed on to the user's control panel and also entered into the rep system so if a problem does arise with a user and all comments about that user are brought up to investigate, it's included for reference. The minimum post count and positive reputation requirement were put in place to prevent new users from rocking the boat before they've been around for a while (or to prevent people from signing up with multiple accounts and easily altering their own rep which did happen once.)

Zed

05-23-2009, 05:41 AM

Yey! I got some reputation, and its not bad. Now if I could only work out where you go to see why. I can't see anything on the user CP about it! Maybe I'm silly? Any hints guys?

marshmat

05-23-2009, 10:10 AM

Right at the very bottom of your UserCP page, Zed. There's a little box "Latest reputation received" if you scroll down far enough.

Zed

05-23-2009, 06:39 PM

Thanks Matt, but not on mine! Must be because I have not got 50 posts yet or something like that.

Jeff

05-24-2009, 02:32 AM

Zed - I'm not sure what caused the glitch where yours was not displaying. Will keep an eye on it and/or dig deeper as soon as I get a moment.

Zed

05-24-2009, 03:26 AM

Thanks Jeff, I can see it now :-) Seeing as yours is the only comment that I can see, is it possible that no comment was left initially so there was nothing to see? Just a thought.

Thks
Zed

Jeff

05-24-2009, 03:43 AM

No, you were correct in that something went wrong with that initial comment - that one should have also shown up in your UserCP, but I do not see anything obvious that explains why it didn't. When I get a chance I'll try and dig deeper to see what is unique about the first one - I have not spotted anything obvious that would cause such a glitch.

dskira

11-16-2009, 07:48 AM

Sorry Guillermo

As I'm sure you are by now aware with me what you see is what you get - whilst I know this can rub you up the wrong way your man enough to handle it! some ain't! If somebody is acting like an idiot I'll tell them, and I don't do it the nice way! you tell a fool he's a fool gently and he doesn't believe you! In the real world these days I work in construction - if a guy don't shape up he ships out! In other words if he isn't good enough I sack him and I don't do it gently (how the hell can you sack someone gently?)

Mike (the Walrus

This is an interresting point. Who is the idiot for whom. A person can be a friend of other and an idiot for you. How you estimate the qualification?
Not good enough on what scale. Is your scale universal? Do you have the real truth and aptitude to decide who is good enough, just by your own experience?
Perhaps someone think you are not good enough, ot perhaps even some think you are an idiot, it do not make you a idiot or a no name.
Relation between human is pure emotion, feeling, and sensibility.
No one know the truth, no one is above anybody to decide.
And at the end of the day, who care what you or me think? are we so important? No.
Cheers
Daniel