Placing HIN MIC in mold help please

[COLE]

I have a tape embossing tool that is worn out it makes reverse numbers and letters for placing in mold, Mine is shot, I tried contacting the mfg but they are long gone, Does any one have any idea were to get a new one or another methos your help is needed Thanks

[gonzo]

Can you use a regular embossing printer but put the tape in backwards?

[COLE]

No it is like looking in a mirror, the captions would be backwords, They must print backwards to read forward once pulled, You could have your hin in order but the captions are backward, I was certain here someone would have a idea where to get one here, All boats have a hin I am picky and want a clean casting hin on my hulls and mine is just tired after 30 years of use, Thanks for all the help it is needed, JC

[gonzo]

I mean put the tape in backwards in the machine.

[COLE]

I do understand what you mean, And your input is nice But it does not work that way, A forward caption is a forward caption even if you put the tape in backwards, and type in reverse, Take example put on paper a HIN example (UCO25SS000010506) or type it (60501000052OCU) and turn the paper over in the light and look at it, Thats what it would look like in a forward case machine no matter what way you put the tape in. Its pressing a forward case no matter what side the print is on, It is backward when you pull it from a mold, Thanks for your input JC

[SamSam]

I have a tape embossing tool that is worn out it makes reverse numbers and letters for placing in mold, Mine is shot, I tried contacting the mfg but they are long gone, Does any one have any idea were to get a new one or another methos your help is needed Thanks

I think Professional Boatbuilding had something on this a few years ago. The company quit making them and they were the only ones. I tried searching PB online but they don't go back very far. Try asking them or maybe a few boat mfgrs. to see what they do now. Maybe you can repair what you have. Could you use steel stamps on a thin strip of metal or vynil tape?
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Under 'Find' put in 1792 or 1793 or 1794 . They have reversed stamps but that wouldn't work.
Sam

[COLE]

SamSam Thanks for the input Mine is just shot a very small cast part is broken and the pad is worn down, I have asked all the guys here on the west coast and have no Idea, They are still using thiers from 1972 same as mine, I know there has to be some one out there making them, There are alot of Builders on here how are they doing it? I Clear before color on all my hulls I have been messing with the idea of clear coat then a black and white sticker plus a bar code (The theft rate is just getting BAD) Then laminate if I can get the sticker to hold up under the harsh enviroment under lamination, I have tried this on small parts and holds up but I think the heat generation on a complete layup would be to much, Some MFG out here even your best friend if they have a idea they just say they dont know, I have always been open with things and dont really understand it but thats the way it goes, I have just found this forum and very happy with it and the information people share, and thaks to all for thier input. JC

[SamSam]

I seem to remember seeing the numbers hand engraved on a few boats with one of those vibrating engravers a person marks his name/initials on tools with. Did you understand what I was saying about the steel stamps on a thin strip of metal (and then stuck to the mold with some double sided tape which would then leave a relieved number molded into the hull just like your broken machine)? It does seem someone, somewhere in the world would be making those things. Let China know there is a shortage and they'll probably be at Wal-Mart next week. Sam

[Robert Gainer]

I don’t have the contact information now that I am so many years out of the business but I can point you in one direction you might try. We used one that came from a foundry supply business. They use it for putting numbers onto patterns or cores that are then cast into the part. You could get them for standard or mirror image type depending on if you did sand casting or lost wax casting. They also can make the type raised or depressed.
Robert Gainer

[COLE]

Robert I would greatly love to know who they are, It is such a simple thing but have found to be impossible to just purchase, or to find the market place, I have spent countless hours looking for such a item Thanks JC

[grp.boat]

has any one tried having the hin engraved in traffolite and then place this in the mould before gelcoating (so it will be in the gel).

[jimslade]

Why not use a plate and a letter punch. lay the plate in with the hin faceing out. gell, layup, separate, done. Just make sure you use a very thin plate that the hin numbers protrude inward.

[COLE]

The old tool was the nicest and easy, grp thanks for the input but the hin is in gel form with the tool, jimslade thats a fine idea but still needs to be in reverse caption, Revers stamps can be purchased and done in tin, The nicest and cleanest is with a embossing tool that has a male and female side to it when crimping, It gives a clean HIN, just stamping it out with something soft on the back does not really give it a raised detail on the back side so when pulled from the mold it is faint, Thanks to all and thier replies I am really looking for the correct tool and not could you???? There are many professional boat builders out there and they must get them somewhere I just cant figure out where and the people I know are still useing the same old one and have not came to this issue yet. Thanks again for all the input sounds like it is a hard thing to find when we do we will all be a little happier Thanks JC

[grp.boat]

when i meant "in the gel". i meant the traffolite engraving will be left in the moulding, as part of the hull. it will be permanent.

[COLE]

Good idea Thanks

[Steve W.]

I think that Gonz meant upside down not backward??? think about it.

[Steve W.]

That can be taken wrong also, now that I think about it. instead of placing the tape so the shine side is up in the gun, place the tape so the tape removeable strip is up. Hope this makes more sense.

[COLE]

I understand what you are saying, BUT it wont work the letters are still back ward it is just pointing out on the sticky side instead of the finish side, Believe me I have some of those sitting around the office They MUST emboss in reverse. I guess if you wanted your HIN to stick outward it would work, make it kinda easy for altering, Thanks for all the input. JC

[Robert Gainer]

To get you started try, www.freemansupply.com/catalog/9_FR_Hardware_Final.pdf
You can get any size or style you want with or without holders, mirror image or not. Call some of the people who supply the foundry business and pattern shops. I am out of this for many years and don’t have my old rolodex but you can search the internet and talk to the distributors to find what you want. By the way, in the pattern business they call it reverse pattern letters or core letters not mirror image letters. When you search the internet keep that in mind.
Robert Gainer

[COLE]

Robert HUGE THANKS!!!!!! best yet, I have been out of it myself a few years needing this kind of tool, now I need it bad, your the first on the correct path, THANKS JC

[COLE]

Robert just looked at it got me in the path Thanks Again BIG THANKS JC