I have a dream - how to build it?

[kach22i]

I have a dream.

I'm guessing chances are you have a dream too. The boat design dot net galleries are full of them.

What's the difference between a dream and reality?

Funding, money, cash (FMC).

With FMC you can put together talent, buy the experience you lack and make connections, the connections you need to get things done. Because it's not what you know, it's who you know.

I don't know anyone, they don't know me.

I have a dream, you have a dream.

Help me figure this out, and help yourself at the same time.

Link -1 :
http://www.acq.osd.mil/sadbu/sbir/

Link - 2:
http://www.burdeshaw.com/services/

About link-1; DoD SBIR & STTR Programs.......................I've read a few things in there before, most of it went over my head. I suspect the request have been written for a pacticular firm or university in mind and not qualified outside competition, and least of all a dreamer tinkering in his garage.

About link-2; I think this is what they call an "inside track" firm. You actually hire or purchase your required connections - money talks, right? Takes money to make money, blah blah blah. Is this the correct perception? Maybe I should just call them up or e-mail.........WTF, what do I have to lose?

We could get into a chicken and egg type discussion, A & B.

A; I have a great design on paper, built a few models, conducted a few experiments - gee it would be nice to screw around with this full time for a few years. How do I do this without a rich wife?

B; I'd like to screw around for a few years while I go through a mid-life crisis, what vehicle can allow me to do this? (sarcasm)

NOTE: Your thoughts may be as serious or as silly as you wish - don't be affraid to think outside the box. Or better yet inside the box - how have other people made their dreams come true?

[JEM]

Depending on how big it is, there's a few designers out there that will help you with a full size hull that you could build yourself.

[nero]

Rental property, minimalist lifestyle, relocate to a third world country ... with happy people who are willing to work and has raw materials available or will let you import containers as an individual. Keep things small and stay a small person and one can do about what you want without some government slob coming to pick on you. Don't get married. Kids in a first world counrty are expenisive. Don't own a car (insurance mafia will bleed you). No ego, eat lots of rice, some zen.

Madagascar. Sri Lanka, Asia ?

Where did I go wrong? married, living in france (expensive and cold), people are agressive (overrun by algerians)

[kach22i]

Perhaps I should rename this thread: How to I become filthy rich and do anything I want.

Adding to the list of thoughts:

Link-3 (a random Google search):
http://www.businessfinance.com/private-investment-capital.htm

Link-4:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_company


About link-3:
Private Investment Capital (Venture), we all read the stories how an inventor loses power over his creation/business and eventually becomes hounded by the IRS and investors.

About link-4:
Publicly traded company, the last phase unless you are looking for trouble or want to end up like Delorean or something.

Not many of the people I've read about "making it" have had MBA's to start out with. MBA's are taught to follow the rules, entrepreneur's have a habit of breaking the rules and bucking the herd mentality. Or is that just how it looks from the outside looking in?

Build it and they will come?

ASIDE; Cute Quote:
http://www.planetrealtor.com/Florida/FLRealtorMagazine/SGMarketingPlan03.cfm
I’ve discovered that what most associates want is not a good marketing plan, but instead, somebody to tell them that what they have already decided to do will work, even if it’s a bad idea.

Question: Does it really matter what your dream is? Isn't there a standard formula to success one must follow?

Okay, I'm going back to work now, someone is waiting for their house plans.

[safewalrus]

So that's how Sammy bin Liner and his mates get their funding!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[kach22i]

So that's how Sammy bin Liner and his mates get their funding!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The United Arab Emmeriates and the Saudi Arabia gave much support to OBL. However the CIA gave training and money for decades. In fact the year prior to 9/11/2001 the terrorist were being given flying lessons in Florida paid by the US tax payers..........the reporter who followed this money trail and discovered these links has somehow faded away from public memory.

This is not what I had in mind, but I do know deep pockets when I see them.;)

[RANCHI OTTO]

"The United Arab Emmeriates and the Saudi Arabia gave much support to OBL."

kach22i, from where do you have the information about the support to Osama from the Emirates ?

[kach22i]

Found this thing called DARPA............funded lots of cool things over the years (like the Sea Shadow).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency

Questions I should be asking..........................................

http://www.darpa.mil/ato/contact.htm

# What are you trying to accomplish?

# How is it done now, and with what limitations?

# What is truly new in your approach which will remove current limitations and improve performance? How much will performance improve?

# If successful, what difference will it make?

# What are the mid-term, final exams or full scale applications required to prove your hypothesis? When will they be done?

# How could this transition to the end user? (usually DoD)

# How much will it cost?

[kach22i]

"The United Arab Emmeriates and the Saudi Arabia gave much support to OBL."

kach22i, from where do you have the information about the support to Osama from the Emirates ?

See this thread:
http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10499

Note: the UAE kicked out a CNN reporter last week - he was asking too many hard questions. Apparently not all of Osma bin Laden's support was pre-9/11/2001 although we have been told they have been cooperating since then - I want to know the truth, we deserve to know the facts.

EDIT: UAE government, citizens and policies may not all be in step, troubling to say the least. Then again I'm not much in step with everything my government does either.

[RANCHI OTTO]

Thanks kach22i for the interesting informations...

[Deering]

Rental property, minimalist lifestyle, relocate to a third world country ... with happy people who are willing to work and has raw materials available or will let you import containers as an individual. Keep things small and stay a small person and one can do about what you want without some government slob coming to pick on you. Don't get married. Kids in a first world counrty are expenisive. Don't own a car (insurance mafia will bleed you). No ego, eat lots of rice, some zen.

Madagascar. Sri Lanka, Asia ?

Where did I go wrong? married, living in france (expensive and cold), people are agressive (overrun by algerians)

But Nero...

You are well on your way to completing a very cool boat... so you didn't go completely wrong.

And I might be wrong, but I think France is warmer than Illinois.

Maybe Costa Rica?

[Ari]

Dream and develop it la...what so hard..?Cannot get big one..get small one..cannot get rich wife ..get rich husband la..what so hard ?No money to make steel boat..make from wood..still not enough..make from recycle plastic..still not happy..steal one la..sure there is someway to get one.. haiya.. must work hard ma..dream dream dream..after wake up still go to work ma..steal one..solve poblem..! All those Sama sama..let them be la..they also businees..must hev good man and no good man..than onli can businees..

[kach22i]

Dream and develop it la...what so hard..?
Dreaming is cheap and easy, it's that other stuff I've always had a problem with.

I think it was the Moody Blues who had that song in the 1960's..............Dreaming is the best way to travel.

Guess they were right.

[Wellydeckhand]

NOP......... Dreamer is pain in the A55 and they are the one that built something while other scorn and say nay..........................and actually shock the world:D:D:D

[longliner45]

Man I gotta tell ya ;for everyone that told me (you cant do that)I was a 98lb wrestler in ohio,,, they said you cant be a green beret your too small ,,,,4yrs.then they said (you know how much fish ya gatta catch to make a living?),,,,,,,,10yrs later , now they are all laughing at my 32ft sailboat in my yard,,they say ,,no water here boy, and I say no **** dick tracy. im going to the chesapeack. for kiks and grins see longliner45long version , yea it pissis off the neibours , but it makes me happy,,buy the way while i was gone seeing the world and came back home ,the same dumbasses are still squaking. go for it ,you only live once,

[Wellydeckhand]

Yes...... i agree but longliner45 a wrestler that would be sometin..............:D:D:D

[Ari]

You say it right ma..I also dream..I'am milionaire who had spend the million.. :D now I slowly - slowly built my dream..peepul call me too ambisyes..too big dream..:rolleyes:I look round..I spend money sightseing..who knows.. somehere there is chance I can build my dream..My place wood a plenty..what I need is chain saw,thick face,strong heart..I steal the wood ma..! why worry..get caught I pay fine la..no get caught I got the wood la..! Lucky for me..I befriend a shop owner that know a taikong/master from Indonesia..who have a relative that know a guy that can built boat..met the builder..he had built 5 big yacht..! more than 100 cargo and fishing boat..enough for me..no more looking anywhere..now only looking for money..not very big money..O.K la..maybe morgage my house..dream can be built one..you got no dream..you see "never ending story"..very good story..dream ..dream..dream..:)

[Wellydeckhand]

Go on drweaming u may hit somethin......... weird.....:p:p:p

[Ari]

I'am no wrestler..Longliner45 at 98 lb.. must be bantam class ma Welly..

[Wellydeckhand]

So what your weight Ari......... I am almost 90 KG......:D:D:D

[longliner45]

ok now im 198lb are ya happy!!!!!!

[Ari]

I maybe can qualified for bantam class ..in Sumo:D 230lbs..now coming down..price of petrol shoot up by 20%..that German beast with three legged star do drink like it is octoberfest..been cycling to and fro 10km for a month now..down to 105kg..:)The spirit of le tour du Langkawi..!

[Wellydeckhand]

Ari u r tellin me that Malaysian boat lover like u are at 105KG? I look great in my skin suit......:D:D:D ............... Longliner45 is havin trouble at 198lbs i think....... ......... ........ cant see his own waistline.......lolol :D:D:D...... yup i do admit we are a bunch of couch potatoes babe......

[Ari]

Actually I have big muscle..:)now what I need to do is get rid of the fats:) so that the muscle can be appreciated without too much hassle in locating where is it ?:D The missus are warned..there might be some new admirer :D

[Wellydeckhand]

Heh ARI, I think we have misused other people's thread enough why not bring this discussion on anatomy to my own thread in Borneo river....... sorry reader :):):)......................... repent already.............

[Ari]

sorry ..sorry everybody..

[kach22i]

No problem, enjoyed the ride.

My thesis: No money, no boat - how to get money?

I found the following bit of history to be of interest and relavant. Not a lot happens without money, which is more or less why I started this thread.

RE: Yesterday in the Google group "alt . rec . hovercraft" site.

Written by "anonymous"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.hov...f7898fab53e165a (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.hovercraft/browse_thread/thread/843c5656407c8b67/9f7898fab53e165a?hl=en#9f7898fab53e165a)
Before diving into hovercraft business ventures, it may be wise for
prospective entrepreneurs visit http://www.decastris.com/hcc/canada.htm.

Canada has a very rich history of failed commercial hovercraft ventures,
perhaps because back in the "good-ol-days", Canada had an active
hovercraft research (and development funding) program sponsored by the
National Research Council. Some failures were for technical reasons, but
many failures occurred simply because impatient bankers called loans
before any decent amount of cash flow could be realized in the start-up
ventures. Low budget, fly-by-night ventures may be possible in some parts
of the world, but remember that anything built in Canada for commercial
purposes (that means for resale) must meet Transport Canada requirements.
While in theory that should provide for a superior product (some may argue
against that), it can also complicate things for low-budget startups.

[safewalrus]

Do things in a small way but do it! Life ain't a rehersal, you only get one go at it!

[kach22i]

Do things in a small way but do it! Life ain't a rehersal, you only get one go at it!
At some point the boy stops being a boy and becomes a man.

I'm 45 years old and still building foam models from scratch............what's wrong with me?

[boltonprofiles]

Well said Walrus, go for it man, go for it..................

[Wellydeckhand]

Mmmmm.................. get company who need boats to look at your design ,get capital finance at bank and make the vessel........ American and Europe are competitive market to many big gamer and builder........ why not try Asia for size......... enough expat invested companies to start your boat business and enjoy the tropical HEAT............ :D:D:D

[Ari]

Kachi..be daring man..:!:what ever you are very good at..for sure can be turn into money making instrument.You want money or you want boat :?: Some can have both..:)some can have only one..:(up to you to decide.Middle line compromise is to have a bit of both..:)thats why trailerboat are very famous.You can have a bit of both..I had own them before..hook up to my Nissan saloon car..not even a 4X4..have car will travel man..One boat for the river, mining pond and lake..a 24 er with 40hp Mercury for fishing in the straits of Melaka..a Fletcher Arrow with 70 hp Johnson just for the fun of it..ah..:)Now I'am into something else..if you don't mind having a luxurious wooden yacht thats able to circumnavigate..depend on how luxury you want it to be..it can be very basic and spartan..hey..its your boat and its your money man..e-mail me..:cool: Catamaran is not something that I know very well..but I do have friends who built big catamaran..40er..60er..at very reasonable price..just pay it in Ringgit..!not in USD..!at RM3.7 to1 USD:D..if what you want is a boat.. achievable..if you want to wait until you have enough..o.k..you can wait..no harm..it is very hard to increase income..I face the same problem..but look around there is places thats your 'small' income is actually big..!Ah..now I morphined into the grumpy old man again..:rolleyes: :D :D

[Wellydeckhand]

Heh...... Ari the problem is this guy Kach22i is loaded try to pretent he is poor just for tax evasive type of mesurement......... have u seen his pic of trinity girls by the speed boat?....... burn holes in my flat screen..........:D:D:D

[Ari]

Wow..:)anyway the offer is still onn..it is not nice to turn your back to poor customer..:o it is very stupid to clamp on the rich one..:D What is you prefered colour for the carpet sir :?:We guaranteed you there is no jack up in price Sir!:D

[Wellydeckhand]

Mmmmm....... U mean chinese JUNK?......... How much it will cost me for a professional use of your design?......... Indonesia labour cheaper......... but not too self-motivated..........:D:D:D

[kach22i]

I'm really not talking about obtaining a recreational craft/boat or another toy. I'm talking about doing something of sustenance with my life. My current business and career is giving me this hollowed out feeling. I’m feeling burnt out I guess – spring can’t come too soon.

I'm tired of dealing with developers; I’d rather be a developer myself and perhaps even develop an unusual craft in lieu of a building project (homes and such).

Maybe I should do house boats. Just kidding.

NOTE: I only found the picture of those girls on that boat, not my boat, can only dream about it.

[Wellydeckhand]

I'm really not talking about obtaining a recreational craft/boat or another toy. I'm talking about doing something of sustenance with my life. My current business and career is giving me this hollowed out feeling. I’m feeling burnt out I guess – spring can’t come too soon.

I'm tired of dealing with developers; I’d rather be a developer myself and perhaps even develop an unusual craft in lieu of a building project (homes and such).

Maybe I should do house boats. Just kidding.

NOTE: I only found the picture of those girls on that boat, not my boat, can only dream about it.

For me I live in the nitemare of war would come and I cant send my family away fast and safe......... with this forum I think I am nearer to that vessel I am thinking of............. It just to fill my own hollowness..... nothing fancy to get rich type of hype........... peace is preparation for war, as a civillian I dont want to get caught in between or create more worries for the govt. of my country............. its a man to himself......... get panik feeling that push me to the brink of designing all surving vessel,...........:D:D:D is that meaningful?

Er................. I cant survive with 3 girls................ lost my blue pills...:D:D:D

[safewalrus]

Houseboats sound good Katch (especially with girlies onboard - maybe as an option (compulsory)

[DanishBagger]

What's wrong with houseboats - I wouldn't mind living in one of these:

Edit: Sorry should have been this link: http://www.mmh.se/060217/index.html

[safewalrus]

MMMmmm! yes, and I guess you'd get a few girlies in there as well, well it needs a few ornaments don't it? Kinda like garden gnomes but better!

[kach22i]

What's wrong with houseboats - I wouldn't mind living in one of these:

Edit: Sorry should have been this link: http://www.mmh.se/060217/index.html
Sweden ?

Must mean they solved some cold weather living issues including the ice. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

[DanishBagger]

No problem, Kach

(btw, that bridge you see in the back ground - I live about 10 kilometres from the other end of that - in Denmark)

[Wellydeckhand]

Europe is so incredible......... They have great river and wanting to stay by the river.......... (just like the dayak of Mahakam)......... heard lot of gypsies that is the real King of the rivers..........:D

Nice houseboat...... a wee bit on the lux side though........:D:D:D

[DanishBagger]

Yup, but luxury is good :D

Btw, that isn't a river, that is the baltic sea ;)

[Ari]

Wow..that is beautifull man..used to spend part of me life aboard the floating house..never know them can be so good..Kachi..if you are able to sell this concept..or just built one for your own use..or make it into small hotel.. maybe life can be much more interesting..or..dump everything..get a phinisi..and sail the clove route..our ornament here is as dark as oxidised bronze..;)

[kach22i]

..our ornament here is as dark as oxidised bronze..;)
I like the dark bronze stuff too, but been married to my own work of art for 15 years. So far so good, been a real voyage.

[Milan]

Living on the water is very common in The Netherlands. Few sites:

http://www.vandewaterprojecten.nl/
http://www.bootwoningen.nl/
http://www.waterstudio.nl/projecten.html
http://www.home.zonnet.nl/houdt14/engels/index.html
http://www.telegraaf.nl/woonkrant/reportages/11191951/Wonen_op_het_water.html
http://woonboot.startpagina.nl/

[safewalrus]

Whoa! . . . . . Katch your getting a houseboat forum, what happened? Not complaining just a little??? but you know how these things develope?

[kach22i]

Whoa! . . . . . Katch your getting a houseboat forum, what happened? Not complaining just a little??? but you know how these things develope?
It's a fun direction.

It has me thinking about possible property tax loop holes to help make something like this even more attractive.

There is a thread in the main boat design forum on floating living spaces, started just a few days ago. It will be interesting to see what happens to it.

[Ari]

I like the dark bronze stuff too, but been married to my own work of art for 15 years. So far so good, been a real voyage.
You a scuba diver Kachi.. You do sculpture..Painting :?: My NGO org. name Coral Malaysia. We normally do coral replanting and strive to impart the awereness to the mass.Given the right to develop the first underwater sculpture gallery at Bidong Island, Trengganu (Peninsular Malaysia).We are all volunteers..:) can make life very interesting you know..care to contribute by building a sculpture underwater? I had joint the longest underwater painting session..Still keep a few painting personally..done at 15 and 45 feet, some done while snorkeling..:cool:

[kach22i]

You a scuba diver Kachi.. You do sculpture..Painting :?: My NGO org. name Coral Malaysia. We normally do coral replanting and strive to impart the awereness to the mass.Given the right to develop the first underwater sculpture gallery at Bidong Island, Trengganu (Peninsular Malaysia).We are all volunteers..:) can make life very interesting you know..care to contribute by building a sculpture underwater? I had joint the longest underwater painting session..Still keep a few painting personally..done at 15 and 45 feet, some done while snorkeling..:cool:
Sounds like fun, don't scuba, have snorkled.

The work of art I was talking about is my wife - just incase she reads this thread.;)

There are some people in Ann Arbor stacking stones along hiking/walking trails, they even get standing stones out into the Huron River. Pretty cool stuff, started out as one person doing it, but I think more people have joined in and copied his style.

[safewalrus]

There are some people in Ann Arbor stacking stones along hiking/walking trails, they even get standing stones out into the Huron River. Pretty cool stuff, started out as one person doing it, but I think more people have joined in and copied his style.

What like 'dry stone walling' Kach that's beautiful stuff when done properly, a bloody abonimation if just a pile of rocks; as for the houseboat stuff, I deffinately like it, must look up this forum, in the Design Section you say? see you there, sounds good!

Mike