Where is this?

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  1. hoytedow
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    ...y Alemania, con Los Estados Unidos de America, tambien.
     
  2. apex1

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    We are seeing the "Abraham Fock" on that stone near Hollum, island Ameland, Netherlands.

    On the 14.08.1979 the lifeboat rescued 4 sailors from their yacht, but 8 of the ten horses which were pulling the boat lost their life. Well, 8 of the bravest, no doubt.

    http://www.amelandermusea.nl/abrahamfock.html
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    Great effort, Richard. I googled for 15 minutes or so and.got nowhere!
    The horse drawn launch sounds like a spectacle to see.
     
  4. apex1

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    They provide that spectacle every Saturday in Summer.
     
  5. apex1

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    Horses

    or something that sounds similar....


    Where is the building in the first picture?
    Who was the guy in the second?*
    Where is this, in the third?



    *although his cemetery bears his name, his body was not found for about 250 years.
     

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    Is the building close to the cemetery and park, in the same small city?
     
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    OK, I found it :)

    1)The building was easy to find when I searched for "durchschnitt von der kayserlichen" etc. It's the main building of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Saint Petersburg,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S...ie_der_Wissenschaften_(Durchschnitt_1741).jpg
    The picture is used in many articles, but this one is maybe most relevant now,
    Bering's first expedition,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Expedition

    2) Vitus Bering, born in Horsens in Denmark in Russian service, aka Ivan Ivanovich or "Iwan Iwanowitsch Bering" , died on (later named) Bering Island near Kamchatka, on his second expedition, at 19. december 1741. His grave was found in 1991 by Danish archelogists.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitus_Bering
    http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitus_Bering (more details in Danish)

    3) Vitus Bering Parken in Horsens, Denmark , memorial plate
     
  8. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    No, the guy is not buried in the park and the building is not in a small city.....

    Will answer to Richard's answer to my quest soon, just got near a computer :)

    Cheers,
    Angel


    PS - cross posted with Raggi.., congrat's Raggi..!!
     
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    That was an interesting one.
    In the tradition started by Angel, her is another historical place and battle:

    1) Where is this?
    2) When?
    3) Who is fighting?
    4) What's the story?

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  11. Angélique
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    Well Done Richard . . . ! ! !

    I'm not sure about the name of the boat, I tought I've read once the name of one of her siblings in regarding to the 1979 accident but I'm not sure.

    Everything else in the answer is 100% right for sure..!!

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    Before 1824 the Amelanders made their rescues sitting on a horse swiming trough the surf bringing the shipwrecked one by one to the beach...

    They started to launch the lifeboat from the beach in 1824 from a place which has no harbour near so it was the fastest way to the ships in need for a long time. Don't know when they stopped doing it for real, but in 1979 it was still the real thing and faster then the lifeboat from a harbour.

    There's a long long list of rescues over all these years..!!

    This is the list of the costs....
    -- August 20, 1844, one saved, two rescuers drowned.
    -- August 25, 1861, en route to the ship in need the lifeboat capsized, five rescuers drowned.
    -- month? day? 1863, ten saved, one rescuer drowned.
    -- Then for over a century many rescues and no accidents.
    -- August 14, 1979, four saved, eight horses drowned.

    It's tragic proof that the frequently awarded medals to the rescuers also had their drawbacks...

    Here's a video of a old man who reads a poem and tells what happend in 1979. The video is in Dutch but there's original footage from the 1979 accident in it which makes it worth watching I think, even if you don't understand the language.

    The video is also on [​IMG] YouTube, less written text there but many related links to nice video's.

    In short the old man tells... the current eroded a trench underneeth the sand and when the heavy lorry with the boat entered it collapsed and drowned the horses which were stuck to the heavy lorry. In the original 1979 footage you see the wal baas (= shore boss) checking for trenches with a stick before the lorry goes in, the sand above the underneeth trench was only strong enough to carry him. After that he never was the same man, his sons tells in the video.

    Next day the drowned horses were pulled ashore.

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    This^ is one of the sad pictures you will find when 'google images' ‘‘verdronken paarden Ameland’’.


    We did some talk about this from post #4574 on page 305 till post #4590 on page 306 while another quest was running.

    There are nice pictures about this there and Murielle posted a nice vid..!!


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    This was one of my clue's which Richard didn't needed. It's not a real memorial but a piece of scenery for some kind of romanticized movie in which this story occurs. Its made of plywood and painted to look like corten steel.


    Todays reenactments are only by day, only by nice weather and only between tides when there's no current. The real thing was different...


    Links: [ 1 ] - [ 2 ] - [ 3 ] - [ 4 ] - [ 5 ]


    Cheers,
    Angel
     
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  13. apex1

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    That was a nice one Angélique!

    I recognized the dunes and that it must be a freesian island, so the rest was easy.

    Nicely solved Ragnar!

    But I always provide too much info. I did not think the text in the construction plan of the academy would give any google results, but did not try.

    Good luck with the new one!
     
  14. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    OK, watch the ships for the era and the ensigns for the countries...

    1) Bay of V, the harbour of B in N.

    2) Second half 1600's.

    3) Its PB for the D supported by JCC & CA for the N against TT for the E.

    4) JCC & CA from the N side missed orders, which were the result of an secret agreement* between KC of E and KF of D-N, and chose the wrong side.

    * This despite the fact that the D were an official ally of the D. The K's wanted to keep the loot for themselfs without going it to their countries. So much for trust in K's...

    Note: there are two different D's mentiond..!!

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    Good Luck!
    Angel
     

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    Angelique, I am impressed. How did you find it that fast?
     
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