What Effect Coming Ice Age on North of 30th Parallel Boating?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

Climatic, meteorological and economic impact theories and questions related to aquatic and marine activities are welcome.

Is AGC(anthropogenic global cooling) to blame, or is it natural, relating to solar or geothermic cycles?

Yeah, it should have keyed parallel but I never claimed to be a good typist.

Perhaps this is a good place to start.: http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/

Doesn't look to me like a good place to start, for people who want the truth:

Welcome to my website where I will try to give you the answer to the question "is there global cooling?" As you are well aware there is a huge effort around the globe to counter the alleged impact of mankind on the world's climate. If in fact mankind will cause the seas to rise appreciably by causing CO2 induced global warming then certainly let's do something about it. But, what if global warming is not what they say it is? What if the world's temperature is headed in the opposite direction? Global temperatures increased for twenty years from the late 1970s to the late 1990s but have actually been cooling the last eleven years.

Not true.

The global warming and subsequent cooling were even predictable due to hundreds of years of historical trends and observation of the impact of variations in solar activity on global temperature.

Not true.

Did you know that the Roman Period and Medieval Period were both several degrees warmer than today's temperature.

Not true.

The world then cooled at least four degrees from 1450 to 1850. This period was called the Little Ice Age (a period of glacial advance, the same glaciers that are in retreat today). These temperature variations were not caused by man. They were caused entirely by natural forces.

Not true. The Little Ice Age is now understood not to have been a world-wide phenomenon.

In other words, every claim made in the first two paragraphs of that website is not only unproven, but in direct contradiction to the best evidence we have.

Not my idea of a good place to start. Or finish... or even visit. But that won't stop people from believing what it says anyway.... I think it was Mark Twain who said, "a lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its pants."

[hoytedow]

For the non-vegan boaters living off the bounty of the sea:
http://floridakeystreasures.com/keysrecipes/manatee/

Get 'em while they last, before the Ice Age kills them.

[wardd]

some humans commit unnatural acts and some are deniers

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by wardd

some humans commit unnatural acts and some are deniers

Have any Venn diagrams?

[hoytedow]

such as:

[hoytedow]

or:::

[hoytedow]

or:::

[Boston]

ah the semantics argument
are humans part of the natural equation
always did kinda hate that one

ok well deal is the term anthropogenic means caused by man

: of, relating to, or resulting from the influence of human beings on nature <anthropogenic pollutants>
— an·thro·po·gen·ic·al·ly \-ni-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
First Known Use of ANTHROPOGENIC
1923

and the question is are mans actions responsible for the present rapidly changing conditions in our climate or are those changes brought on by "natural" conditions

obviously the definitions are the result of recognizing the difference between mans actions and that of the "natural" world.

cheers
B

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Boston

ah the semantics argument
are humans part of the natural equation
always did kinda hate that one

ok well deal is the term anthropogenic means caused by man


and the question are mans actions responsible for the present rapidly changing conditions in our climate or are those changes brought on by "natural" conditions

obviously the definitions are the result of recognizing the difference between mans actions and that of the "natural" world.

cheers
B

The definition was probably written by a Wilsonian progressive.

[wardd]

Originally Posted by Boston

ah the semantics argument
are humans part of the natural equation
always did kinda hate that one

ok well deal is the term anthropogenic means caused by man


and the question are mans actions responsible for the present rapidly changing conditions in our climate or are those changes brought on by "natural" conditions

obviously the definitions are the result of recognizing the difference between mans actions and that of the "natural" world.

cheers
B

to say the actions of mankind are purely of nature is to negate the concept of free will

but of course for the deniers, free will is questionable

[gonzo]

About between 1000 and 1300 years ago, Greenland had pastures and trees. Newfoundland had the climate of Maryland.

[hoytedow]

http://www.greenland-guide.gl/leif2000/history.htm

A mini ice age may have caused the Vikings to leave or perhaps they succumbed to the harsh living conditions. We don't know for certain, and the Vikings' disappearance is still shrouded in great mystery.

What could have caused that? Could it have been a trough in solar activity?

[hoytedow]

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html

Although not covering the 1480-1500ad time at which the Greenland Vikings disappeared, the following graph does illustrate ice levels and solar activity corelation for Iceland shortly thereafter.

[Boston]

there certainly could be a correlation in solar activity and climate for the time period of the Vikings troubles in Greenland however this is most certainly not the case today as "this" graph clearly shows




speaking of which
wheres the global cooling on that graph
cause I'm just not seeing it

[hoytedow]

http://www.rense.com/general89/frost.htm

"One can only conclude from seeing these record cold temperatures that there must be a link between solar activity and world temperatures."