What Do We Think About Climate Change

[Pericles]

How about this?

Calm Sun, Cold Earth
Alan Caruba
Published 02/17/2008 - 9:23 a.m. EST

I can understand why people believe that global warming is real and that all the things Greens say are true. One cannot read a newspaper or magazine, turn on the television or radio, without getting the Green message.

Since switching their message in the 1970s that an Ice Age was coming to the complete fiction of a massive, dramatic global warming due to greenhouse gases, the Greens have been able to influence policy at the international and national level. They have been utterly relentless, a modern version of the Mongols on horseback who swept out of the East to conquer everything before them until the reached the gates of Europe. These days the Greens have long since conquered Europe.

One thing alone stands against the Greens. The SCIENCE does not support them. Their sense of moral superiority, their contempt for all things modern, their resistance to all forms of energy except the weakest—wind and solar, and at the very heart of the Greens’ message is a contempt and hatred for the human race.

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http://www.anxietycenter.com/climate/earth.htm

[Pericles]

Tuesday, February 19, 2008
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...ling snake-oil

Analysts, we are told, foresee a boom in carbon emissions trading by 2020 as the EU prepares to include new sectors in its Emissions Trading Scheme (EU-ETS). The United States' accession to a similar system, it is felt, appears increasingly inevitable.

The value of the global carbon market shot up by 80 percent in 2007, with some 2.7 billion tons of CO2 credits, worth €40.4 billion, changing hands, in a sign of growing enthusiasm for the carbon trading industry among companies and investors world-wide.

Small wonder that, as the gravy train gathers speed, Sony, Nike, Nokia and nine other multinational companies have signed a declaration in support of a 50 percent reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. There's money in that there "carbon".

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Read the comments section.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...snake-oil.html

[safewalrus]

God Pericles can you cackle! "Got more rabb** than Sainsbury's, why don't you give it a rest!" to use the words of the old song!!

If not hows about short bursts - long drawn out monotalogues really do nothing for your cause - whatever that is!

[Pericles]

Safe, No worries.

You must have perused them though, in order to bother to comment.

Pericles

[charmc]

Originally Posted by safewalrus

long drawn out monotalogues really do nothing for your cause - whatever that is!

He's posting articles, Safie. Means he read 'em, offers them for you to read. OK if you don't want to (or can't ). No problem.

Some good data, though. Interesting that all the scientific research papers I've read on every other subject present a theory, give a lot of reproducible supporting data, and draw conclusions supporting the theory, usually including words like "data suggests" "observations thusfar support the theory", and "additional research will be necessary before drawing any firm conclusions", etc. I tend to think that those on either side of the global warming debate who claim they've got it all figured out are purely pissing in the wind.

[Pericles]

Charlie,

Whilst there's still wine in the bottle, I'll stay at my post, although the swimming pool will have its way with me in the morning. I gave my word to my doctor that I will swim over 3 miles per week and that nearly 250 lengths where I go. Slice of cake really, as it takes only 90 minutes to knock out 60 lengths. A perfect reason for a glass or two of fermented grape juice m'thinks!

I distrust all those who claim the planet in in peril. The planet is not in peril, but some forms of life, including we clever apes, may be wiped out by a cataclysmic event of some kind. We exist within an Interglacial Period and, in my opinion, we as a species, have done nothing to justify an intervention from non existent supernatural beings who would view us, as we view the snot on a Kleenex after a very satisfying blow. We came, we saw, we disappeared! The planet will continue spinning, on its axis, in its orbit, around the sun, for another 5 billion years. Humans will be long gone, having not survived in any significant numbers after the next Ice Age that has just started its return.

Still, that's no reason why we shouldn't party.

Regards,

Perry

[Kay9]

Way I see it. Its happened before, it will happen again. I cant see us having any affect one way or the other.

K9

[charmc]

I have mixed feelings. I tend to believe that man's impact is small, but then I read about pelagic fish stocks depleted by drift nets 10 miles long, and huge rafts of plastics drifting in the oceans, and the millions of tons of toxics in combustion gases ... and I wonder and worry.

I read that a single volcanic eruption can put more toxic pollutants in the atmosphere than all manmade sources in a year. Elsewhere I read that manmade atmospherice pollutants are more than 100 times greater than volcanic. Then I read that both numbers are statistical estimates, developed by PhDs, and that both sides claim careful analysis and development of their models.

[Kay9]

I was the captain on an oceanographic research vessel for 5 years.

One day we fished out a glass fishing float that had been drifting around the Pacific for 20 years. Upon landing the fishing float on the deck the 2 chief scientists onboard took one look at all the goseneck barnacles and both in unison exclaimed "Oh what are those??!"

My response was. "You have to be f'ning kidding me right? They are only, about the most, abundant life in the ocean."

To which they said. "We spend all of our time at the University studing the ocean. We cant be expected to know about all the life out here."

Leaving I think I said something like. "You could look off a f'ing dock once in a while, at least then you would know what a gooseneck barnecle is!"

Thats a no shitter.

K9

[safewalrus]

there's non so blind as them as will not see!! methinks!!

[charmc]

Amazing, isn't it?

I was asked once by a project engineer if one of their systems could be turned on its side to fit into an air shipping container. I said no because they used a multistage vertical pump with the motor on top. If turned on its side, all the weight would be cantilevered and the frame was not strong enough to take that stress. I got a blank look and a plaintive "What does cantilevered mean?"

Another time I was talking with the engineer in charge of design of a multimillion dollar municipal water treatment system. When I began asking questions about the technology they were recommending, she got very annoyed and said, "I don't know anything about water treatment. I'm the project manager."

[PAR]

Humans have impacted the waters of the world more then anything else by a wide margin. The air is self cleaning, but the abilities of the oceans to support life has been dramatically harvested (not reduced). Fresh water in particular has been affected so dramatically that less then 1% is safe to drink and it's ability to support life drastically reduced.

Given 20 years of uninterrupted molestation, the fish populations would come back and the fresh water supply would clean up substantially, but this assumes responsibility of humans, which isn't likely in the near future.

Humans are more akin to a virus then an intelligent species, consuming, altering and destroying everything in sight until they've eating and toyed themselves out of house, home and food supply. A fitting result in the Petri dish of life, if you ask me.

After 100 years of non-human intervention, little would be recognizable of society. In 1000 years, no record that man ever existed would be visible without a shovel, including our cities, which would become the mystery burial mounds of our existence, found by some archeologist a few thousand millennium later, in the world's history.

[kach22i]

This guy thinks like I do.

The Hovercraft and Global Climate Change
http://www.jameshovercraft.co.uk/hov...ages/index.htm

The weather is big in the news of today. All the time we're seeing floods due to snowmelt, or unseasonal rainfall, even sea level rise. This doesn't just affect "3rd world" countries like (for example) Bangladesh and African countries, it also has an equally devastating effect potentially on "1st world countries" like the US, UK, European countries.

There's not a lot we can do about it.

Therefore we have to find ways to cope with what might happen in perhaps 10 years down the line when our towns built on river deltas or reclaimed land start to flood.

Imagine the possible environment for a moment. Roads will be useless, because they'll be flooded and muddy. Well, travel by boat then, you might say. No, because the water's too shallow for a powerboat, too muddy and full of reeds for propellers to operate in. So, what's the answer? Well, in my view, there's only one transport method that can really provide a cheap, and versatile means of moving around, that being of course, the hovercraft. It's been around for years, over 40 in fact, on a large scale, yet few people use them to get around.

I'm not saying that the old behemoths like the SRN4 should be reinvented for mass public transportation, but smaller craft like those offered by Griffon, Hover-Shuttle, and Australian Hovercraft (to name but a few companies) would be ideal.

Already, craft built by Griffon are in use by the British RNLI (Royal National Lifeboat Institute) on the mud flats in and around the UK, river estuaries, tidal bays and so on, and have saved many lives. These are small craft, about 6-8 seaters, which can go over land, sea, and mud.

They're a success! Is this what we need in the future? Is this what we need now? Only time will tell, but in my opinion it could well be better to be safe than sorry.

James Rowson

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[charmc]

Originally Posted by kach22i

This guy thinks like I do.

The Hovercraft and Global Climate Change

George,

Why am I reminded of that saying about the carpenter who sees all the world's problems as nails?

[masalai]

Even GoogleEarth in its latest release, has recognised the probability of climate change by including an option to see what happens with sea level increases in 1m increments to 100m (using an imaginary timeline), so you can see where your home/neighbourhood sits when the "tide comes in" with the melting of all land borne ice.