What Do We Think About Climate Change

[hoytedow]

Plant real trees. They are, I have been told, good for the environment. Science is not a god, but God is omniscient.

[Boston]

ya I'm not so sure about how honestly some folks were in there presentation of what can only be referred to as disinformation

that and being blatantly caught lying is another slight flaw in that logic

you are right of course that no one is pretending to "grow" artificial trees on "farms" but the analogy is good enough

A scientist has invented an artificial tree designed to do the job of plants.

[Boston]

I actually just fired off a letter to some folks who market kelp and am curious to hear if they grow there own or if they harvest from the environment. If they grow there own I wonder how Kelp would react to a CO2 rich environment.

maybe they could set up some of these artificial trees by the ponds and see how much faster the plants grow. If there is enough of a benefit then maybe the Kelp could be used for fuel

[Boston]

overpopulation, hunger, disease, war, famine, abuse, torture, murder, rape, are not things that belong on the resume of a supreme being

[hoytedow]

God only made 2 humans.
God fed them.
Death comes from sin, not God.
War happens when someone wants to take what is owned by someone else. Keep your hands off what I don't willingly share.
Don't abuse because it violates the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Include torture, murder, rape and thievery, including governmental thievery in this.
Everything you have listed fails to appear on the "resume" of God.

[hoytedow]

Socialism causes hunger, war, abuse, rape, torture and murder.
Ever read any Soltzenitzen?

[masalai]

Hi Boston re your post #10371, Add, - - Those in his image - how can they demonstrate such, arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, lack of care, or understanding or any ability to see another's point of view, greed, avarice, intellectual blindness? - Oh the list is almost endless....

Hi hoytedow, Sorry to wet your view, it appears that the original gene structure / DNA, may be somewhat defective by now... Hi-time a new upgraded gene/DNA structure be introduced... and rectify the following defects in His original build...

Generally, on a matter of "definition & interpretation" - - Artificial trees are just that (recycled plastic? pre-used timber? - ?like the "christmas tree" you have stored in the basement to be hauled out and decorated with tinsel every year?... Tree farms are a different concept altogether but mono-cultures are susceptible to unexpected consequences, (sudden wipe-out by diseases/wildfire)... A mixed and balanced restoration of habitat may have some benefits eventually...

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by masalai

Hi Boston re your post #10371, Add, - - Those in his image - how can they demonstrate such, arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, lack of care, or understanding or any ability to see another's point of view, greed, avarice, intellectual blindness? - Oh the list is almost endless....

Generally, on a matter of "definition & interpretation" - - Artificial trees are just that (recycled plastic? pre-used timber? - ?like the "christmas tree" you have stored in the basement to be hauled out and decorated with tinsel every year?... Tree farms are a different concept altogether but mono-cultures are susceptible to unexpected consequences, (sudden wipe-out by diseases/wildfire)... A mixed and balanced restoration of habitat may have some benefits eventually...

So alternate rows, deciduous, conifer etc. or plant a checkerboard pattern.

[Boston]

so god made everything, knows everything, is capable of everything but is somehow not responsible for everything

if I were watching a group of children and one kid killed another kid every day for a week in what way would I be any more or less responsible than a god who is presumably watching over us ?

if the old world view of god is true then that god has some serious issues

my two cents and then I think it best to leave off religion

[Boston]

The tree farm thing is a non issue

as has been pointed out
there are wind farms but they dont grow wind
do they ?

cheers
B

oh
and if you read the articles presented you will find that these artificial trees can be made of just about anything as long as the operative surface is of a particular polymer type that absorbs CO2

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

Socialism causes hunger, war, abuse, rape, torture and murder.
Ever read any Soltzenitzen?

Oh please. Socialism in itself 'causes' none of that crap. What do you think was going on in Russia before the Revolution? Why do you think the people revolted? Do you think they fought and bled and died and killed, and turned their country and society upside down, simply because they were bored?

The problem with Russia isn't socialism, communism, imperialism, fascism, capitalism or any other 'ism.' It's a problem of having no democratic traditions, but a long tradition of authoritarian rule, abuse of power and official corruption.

When the people on bottom wound up on top after the Russian Revolution, they handled power exactly the way they'd been taught to handle it by their predecessors in power, going back a thousand years.

[Boston]

being Native American I dont see much benefit in "representative democracy" either, specially given that some of us ( ahem) were not very well represented

[masalai]

Stalin had an interesting thought, which he successfully exploited, - - "Religion is the Opiate of the Masses" - - so he gave them the required/requisite "tranquillity drug"...

Has it ever occurred to anyone in USA that the "Leaders there may be doing the same, with a twist to appease the masses?"...

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Oh please. Socialism in itself 'causes' none of that crap. What do you think was going on in Russia before the Revolution? Why do you think the people revolted? Do you think they fought and bled and died and killed, and turned their country and society upside down, simply because they were bored?

The problem with Russia isn't socialism, communism, imperialism, fascism, capitalism or any other 'ism.' It's a problem of having no democratic traditions, but a long tradition of authoritarian rule, abuse of power and official corruption.

When the people on bottom wound up on top after the Russian Revolution, they handled power exactly the way they'd been taught to handle it by their predecessors in power, going back a thousand years.

So why bring that Eurasian lack of values over here?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by masalai

Stalin had an interesting thought, which he successfully exploited, - - "Religion is the Opiate of the Masses" - - so he gave them the required/requisite "tranquillity drug"...

Has it ever occurred to anyone in USA that the "Leaders there may be doing the same, with a twist to appease the masses?"...

Well, put it this way: it's never 'occurred' to anyone with good sense....

And you have your history a little out of whack. First of all, Stalin didn't say that. Karl Marx did. You know...the German guy? And Stalin did a lot of things, but no one has ever before accused him of promoting religion, as far as I know. You've achieved a first.