What Do We Think About Climate Change

[wardd]

Originally Posted by alanrockwood

By the way, annual alcohol sales in the US run about $112 billion, a much higher amount than the US government spends on research each year, which in my view pretty much proves that Americans would rather be drunk than smart.

we could all be drunk republicans

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by alanrockwood

By the way, annual alcohol sales in the US run about $112 billion, a much higher amount than the US government spends on research each year, which in my view pretty much proves that Americans would rather be drunk than smart.

Hey! I resemble that remark....

[Boston]

drunk is a state of hopelessness
its not indicative of overall intelligence, however
it is interesting that we spend more money hiding from reality than discovering it
kinda speaks volumes for the success of the agnotology campaign
sad, but apparently true that some few should so effectively stymie the search for truth and positive solutions that it leave the majority preferring inebriation to education

just goes to show that some few industry giants really do control the governments and the fate of the world

basically it sucks being aware of what is going on and being helpless to stop it
education is certainly not the magic elixir of happiness its cracked up to be
at least there is some satisfaction in exposing the ignorance of the oil and gas shills around here even if in the end it does nothing other than maybe at least prolong the chance that change might make a difference

it is possible that some are just deluded into complacent cooperation with the oil and gas industry but its also just as likely that some few are also on the take and realize they are simply selling someone elses future for there own selfish now.

according to DR Jackson as presented in my post a few pages ago our oceans will be lucky to survive another 20 years

you put the lime in the coconut and drink it all down

cheers
B

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by alanrockwood

......which in my view pretty much proves that Americans would rather be drunk than smart.

Well, I dont think Americans are more stupid than the rest of us, on the average at least. Considering the price of booze in Norway, we shouldnt even consider the drunk/smart ratio here... and btw... a lot of Norwegians emigrated to the USA, and some considered those the smart lot... What would the "correct" description be of the ones that stayed behind??
We may "bad mouth" each other, but that doesnt exactly increase the level of the discussion...

On the other hand, those drinking, may be the only ones that have understood whats going on...:
http://disc.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/oceanc...ad_zones.shtml

I've had the "pleasure" of diving in one (small one) of these... Scary stuff...

Some suggested measures here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...te-change.html

[Boston]

one thing I have noticed among some of my better informed friends at the university is a sense of failure over eliciting meaningful change. It seems a lot of people up there spent most of there careers studying some bit of minutia and then twenty years later suddenly took a look out the window, and realized they should have been fighting the corporate oligarchy more directly. Nearly all of my friends who do field studies have moved from doing studies to being activists in trying to safe what little is left of there chosen ecosystem. For instance. There simply might not be enough species diversity left in the oceans to prevent an overall trophic cascade. 95/100 fish of species over 1 foot in length gone from the oceans is beyond frightening. ( please see previously posted video lecture by DR J Jackson ) What is it, a 80% reduction in north american song birds over the last 20 years. ( please see previously posted link to Audubon article ) We have species dropping like flies and about the only thing we have to show for it is the largest corporate profits in the history of corporate profiteering. ( feel free to look at todays CNN article "how wall ST fleeced main ST") All in all its dam depressing to realize that there simply is no way we can sustain this level of destruction and this level of pollution. Its equally as depressing to realize we still have our share of folks so in it for themselves that they shamelessly spew the corporate line for whatever few pennies these monsters throw at there feet.

its kinda no wonder people drink as much as they do

[Boston]

speaking of which
where's Guillermo's typical random posting of superfluous data, presented in no coherent fashion and pretending to fool
well
I guess he's not fooling anyone cause I only see two or three die hard deniers floating around here these days

I have to wonder if given that there is no counter theory nor even a descent counter hypothesis why we are continually bombarded with random postings of individual tidbits of data, after all isn't a working scientific theory a conglomeration of effort by multiple universities and scientists constantly checking one anothers work and adding to the general knowledge base through multiple research efforts all meshed together in not just a coherent fashion but also one that proves able to predict. Just as has the present theory of Rapid Global Climate Shift.

we know return you to your normally scheduled denialist diatribe

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Boston

speaking of which
where's Guillermo's typical random posting of superfluous data, presented in no coherent fashion and pretending to fool
well
I guess he's not fooling anyone cause I only see two or three die hard deniers floating around here these days

I have to wonder if given that there is no counter theory nor even a descent counter hypothesis why we are continually bombarded with random postings of individual tidbits of data, after all isn't a working scientific theory a conglomeration of effort by multiple universities and scientists constantly checking one anothers work and adding to the general knowledge base through multiple research efforts all meshed together in not just a coherent fashion but also one that proves able to predict. Just as has the present theory of Rapid Global Climate Shift.

we know return you to your normally scheduled denialist diatribe

On the way to work this morning, I was listening to George Noory on Coast to Coast. He had two guys on with him discussing chemtrails: the idea that persistent contrails from high-flying aircraft are really aerosol sprays being released for nefarious purposes. The similarity of their arguments to those I've seen on here about climate change was almost eerie.

There was the same presentation of 'facts' that have already been rebutted time after time; the same hyping of minor inconsistencies or unresolved questions; the same complete dismissal of mainstream scientists in favor of a tiny handful of whackjobs and contrarians; and the same conspiratorial mindset: corporations, governments, scientists and mainstream journalists are all working together to lie to us and enslave us.

There was also the same salvo approach, of shooting conflicting theories at us simultaneously. In just a few minutes I heard that chemtrail spraying is being done to weaken and kill people for population control; that it's being done to poison farmland so normal food crops won't grow, thereby making farmers (and the populations they feed) dependent on buying genetically-modified seeds; that it's a method of weather control being used to create droughts and floods; and a couple of others I don't even remember.

And most importantly of course, chemtrails are part of the effort to destroy our freedom and impose a New World Order on us....

[Boston]

ya I think there is a play book or something that the oil and gas industry must put out cause a lot of the time I see the same patterns and tactics being used. Thing most people are simply unaware of is its one of the largest best organized disinformation campaigns going and its not slowing down any. If anything its ramping up as things get worse.

[Jeff]

Wickedgood, you've now posted the same post 3 times. (you posted a repost of this http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/ope...tml#post366866 twice today.) It's feeling like spam.

[wardd]

I'm tired and not thinking about agw at the moment

[Boston]

your not roasting a duck are you
cause I got a couple really great recipes if your having trouble getting it just right

first thing is 350° for 1:45 skin up for crispy and skin down for
not

next would be a wide range of preparation techniques

[wardd]

ducks don't cause warming

[Boston]

bingo
or are you suggesting we roast a denier

[Guillermo]

Your problem is not only one of comprehending science: It is the basic one of comprehending what is written:

Originally Posted by Boston

the complete lack of comprehension is astounding guillermo

water vapor is a feed back not a forcing agent
therefor CO2 being the predominant greenhouse gas is driving water vapor
once again your complete lack of comprehension is simply laughable as is your inability to properly represent Gavins comments concerning the issue
you might want to actually learn the basics rather than continue to humiliate yourself with these obvious errors in your postings

Originally Posted by Guillermo

..........
As this 85% effect is more than FIVE times the 15% one induced by CO2 alone (rough median of the 9-26 scope, following again Gavin's reasoning), it is evident something does not work at all in the AGW theory, which implies a water vapor feedback to the weak CO2 forcing to boost the increase of temperature.
........

You are the only one here who humiliates himself by publicly exposing once and again his astounding and shameless idiotice

May I say now again, in a low voice , Boston is a useless, illiterate, coward and lying IDIOT?

[wardd]

Originally Posted by Boston

bingo
or are you suggesting we roast a denier

yea, but they'll deny it's hot