What Do We Think About Climate Change

[Guillermo]

And now a new curiosity directly from the "g-man nice graphs"

Do we see sea-surface temperature anomalies PRECEDING low troposphere temperature anomalies in this plot?

[Guillermo]

OK, now going to attend the European Maritime Heritage congress in Seixal, Portugal. Have a nice day you all.

http://www.european-maritime-heritag...xal%202010.pdf

[hoytedow]

Tenha un bom dia, Guillermo.

There are other boats, Boston. It was a nice one to lose.

[Boston]

The" I bought it " thread got kinda violent so I came back over here were I am at least going to be right all the time

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Boston

The" I bought it " thread got kinda violent so I came back over here were I am at least going to be right all the time

Yeah, its a lot more peaceful over here, even if you are wrong all the time.

[Boston]

Put your glasses back on Hoyt

[Boston]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

And now a new curiosity directly from the "g-man nice graphs"

Do we see sea-surface temperature anomalies PRECEDING low troposphere temperature anomalies in this plot?

And this is some kind of problem for you ?

Did you happen to notice that the temps are rising in either graph

Sorta bodes I'll for the whole global cooling thing of yours eh G

[wardd]

ask the coral

[hoytedow]

Coral comes and coral goes. It pre-dates dramatic temerature changes in the past. Don't get caught in the minutiae.

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Boston

...... were I am at least going to be lying all the time

Sigh...!

[Guillermo]

Trends in middle- and upper-level tropospheric humidity from NCEP reanalysis data
Garth Paltridge & Albert Arking & Michael Pook
Theor Appl Climatol (2009) 98:351–359 DOI 10.1007/s00704-009-0117-x
Received: 21 July 2008 / Accepted: 4 February 2009 / Published online: 26 February 2009 # Springer-Verlag 2009


Abstract
The National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) reanalysis data on tropospheric humidity are examined for the period 1973 to 2007. It is accepted that radiosonde-derived humidity data must be treated with great caution, particularly at altitudes above the 500 hPa pressure level. With that caveat, the face-value 35-year trend in zonal-average annual-average specific humidity q is significantly negative at all altitudes above 850 hPa (roughly the top of the convective boundary layer) in the tropics and southern midlatitudes and at altitudes above 600 hPa in the northern midlatitudes. It is significantly positive below 850 hPa in all three zones, as might be expected in a mixed layer with rising temperatures over a moist surface. The results are qualitatively consistent with trends in NCEP atmospheric temperatures (which must also be treated with great caution) that show an increase in the stability of the convective boundary layer as the global temperature has risen over the period. The upper-level negative trends in q are inconsistent with climate-model calculations and are largely (but not completely) inconsistent with satellite data. Water vapor feedback in climate models is positive mainly because of their roughly constant relative humidity (i.e., increasing q) in the mid-to-upper troposphere as the planet warms. Negative trends in q as found in the NCEP data would imply that long-term water vapor feedback is negative—that it would reduce rather than amplify the response of the climate system to external forcing such as that from increasing atmospheric CO2. In this context, it is important to establish what (if any) aspects of the observed trends survive detailed examination of the impact of past changes of radiosonde instrumentation and protocol within the various international networks.

(bolde dis mine)

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Boston

....Did you happen to notice that the temps are rising in either graph ...

...sigh!

[Guillermo]

Now the same analysis as in post 9768, performed this time for a statistically significant and (this time yes) warming 30 years period of time, january 1975 - dec 2004

We can still see SST preceding TLT, this being in contradiction with the AGW proposition that temps of the oceans are driven by the atmosphere.

[Boston]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

Now the same analysis as in post 9768, performed this time for a statistically significant and (this time yes) warming 30 years period of time, january 1975 - dec 2004

We can still see SST preceding TLT, thus directly contradicting the AGW proposition that temps of the oceans are driven by the air temps.

wrong wrong wrong as usual

I love how your always spouting off about some claim science got wrong but you are never able to produce any evidence to say science ever made that claim

feel free to note where in the theory of Rapid Global Climate Shift it mentions air temps preceding ocean temp

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[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Boston

wrong wrong wrong as usual

I love how your always spouting off about some claim science got wrong but you are never able to produce any evidence to say science ever made that claim

feel free to note where in the theory of Rapid Global Climate Shift it mentions air temps preceding ocean temp

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You asked for it once again...

IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Climate Change 2007
Working Group I: The Physical Science Basis
5.2.4 Air-Sea Fluxes and Meridional Transports
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...ch5s5-2-4.html

"The global average changes in ocean heat content ..... are driven by changes in the air-sea net energy flux."

IPCC's fully coupled climate models asume oceans warm due to atmospheric influence.

More here:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...10s10-5-2.html

Chapter 8: Climate Models and their Evaluation
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...g1/en/ch8.html



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(and you have been caught by the nuts also at post 9779, don't forget that one... )