What Do We Think About Climate Change

[safewalrus]

You know Knut thats an idea of sheer genius! would solve a fair few problems

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by safewalrus

Some say that, but can 'ee prove it, might it not be an Englishman in Scotland after all we have a few garrisons up there!
Mostly full of local troops 'o course but hey they mix well

Figure this; Ben Nevis...... Solo, Autumn/ winter, stumbled across some local blokes, I said; " you got some lovely mountains here, in England"..... I suddenly grasped the full scale of my terrible mistake, when I realized they were, without a word, rigging a climbing accident.....

And I sort of screamed; "Scotland, Scotland" and got away with it... After agreeing to buy a round at the pub later.... Actually it ended up with a bit more than one round.....

But I got the Spaniards out from there....Alive.... Nanananana....!

[safewalrus]

What mistaka to maka! you don't want to make those sort of mistakes too often Knut, the locals up there like to blame the English for everything, trouble is the English don't know they are being blamed, what for or even care really; mainly 'cos they don't understand the strange language that the Scots are attempting to speak - actually most of it is a bastardised English which don't help the situation

[timgoz]

My girlfriend says I speak "basterzied" American English. Of course, "they" are always right. Sets my Viking blood to boiling at times. I tell her; I speak Appalachian Mountain Hillbilly, pluss American English, and am therefore bilingul. She speaks six languages, so I have to defend myself!

[masalai]

Memorise a good GB dictionary and thesaurus and correct mistakes....?

My chocolate wrapper says - - "never go to bed angry, stay up and fight..." (for the last chocolate)

and "everything changes, but don't expect any change from a vending machine..."

[Knut Sand]

Ok, to put this thread back on track.... btw, I'm probably one of the "best" to throw a thread off the track....

Ok, Read this (North pole is melting):

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...orth-pole.html

Now, to my simple mind, that's an indication that something's getting hotter than before. I, beeing an edjukated fella, coming from a home, with furnitures (that can be read as "sivilized"), have learnt that when temperature rises, ice melts (Ok, not when the temp goes from -30°C up to -20°, but in the 0° area, getit?).

So, something's hotter, if it's caused by human activity or not, I have not an idea, but I think it would be too simple minded to say that whatever we do, it does not affect the climate at all, not in an even small scale. Come to think of it, that's why I fill my stove to its max limit when I come to my cabin in the wintertime.... -25°C.... Only on a larger/ slower scale.....

[Jimbo1490]

THE COMING AND GOING OF GLACIERS
A New Alpine Melt Theory
By Hilmar Schmundt

The Alpine glaciers are shrinking, that much we know. But new research suggests that in the time of the Roman Empire, they were smaller than today. And 7,000 years ago they probably weren't around at all. A group of climatologists have come up with a controversial new theory on how the Alps must have looked over the ages...
....He digs into the ground with his mountain boot until something dark appears: an old tree trunk, covered in ice, polished by water and almost black with humidity. "And here is the proof," says Joerin.

Radical new theory

The tree trunk in the ice is part of a huge climatic puzzle that Joerin is analyzing for his doctoral thesis for the Institute for Geological Science at the University of Bern. And he is coming to an astonishing conclusion. The fact that the Alpine glaciers are melting right now appears to be part of regular cycle in which snow and ice have been coming and going for thousands of years. (Link to rest of story)

[Jimbo1490]

Also see the attached file from NASA.

Jimbo

[safewalrus]

Wow, how much is he paid for that marvelous piece of information? Most people past grade school (I think thats what you colonials call it) can figure that out without to much bother! Guess most of us are in the wrong job!.........I mean, I to could be ********ting for a living, maybe I am!

[bntii]

From:

THE COMING AND GOING OF GLACIERS
A New Alpine Melt Theory
By Hilmar Schmundt

"Negating the effect of climate change?"

"Joerin is quick to explain that he is not trying to explain away the effects of man-made warming of the past few years: "Our findings so far could also be seen as giving the exact opposite of a climatic all-clear," he says. "If we can prove that there were ancient forests where the glaciers are today, it means one thing in particular: that the climate can change more suddenly than we thought."

[Jimbo1490]

Bntii:

Read between the lines, dude; there was no anthropogenic CO2 then. His disavowing the dissonance to the accepted chorus is his way of inoculating himself from being labeled a "skeptic", a moniker which the 'true believers' will use to marginalize him and trivialize anything he writes from now on, as they have already done with several leading climatologists.

Jimbo

[bntii]

Or take this finding at its true weight in reference to the body of knowledge on this subject.

Glacial ebb and flow as a product of snow accumulation during these periods?
-that is regional dry periods?

Glacial ebb and flow from these periods not correlated with temperature data from ice cores and flora deposits globally ...

ie- regional variation at work here.


Interesting work non the less- Hannibal crossed the alps in his skivvies?

You have a horse in this race?

[Jimbo1490]

We ALL have a horse in this race; the carbon cuts the AGW alarmists are INSISTING is the ONLY WAY to avert disaster will themselves precipitate a disaster of another kind. But when you read what the 'far left green' writers (who have driven the green agenda thus far) have been saying for decades, this is EXACTLY what they want; collapse of the great industrial economies and attendant consequences. Don't believe me; do your own research and see for yourself. An 'Expensive Energy' world in NOT a prosperous world. And that's just for the portion of the world that's presently prosperous. For those already in poverty, it becomes an unlivable world.

And even if you accept the AGW scenario as true, mandatory carbon cuts are about the LEAST effective way to deal with it. This has already been covered earlier in the thread. So why are carbon cuts the only solution ever discussed?

Jimbo

[safewalrus]

and when we do cut out all this CO2 what are your really 'green' things (the plants and trees) going to breath?

and if we want to destroy all industrial life why not do the job properly - with a sodding great Atom Bomb?

end of world, QED

[the1much]

hehe,,, if you guys launch the bomb,,, i'l give ya the #'s to the roof of my house