What Do We Think About Climate Change

[Pericles]

Dear Sir,

Here is a report released today about a gigantic volcanic eruption in the Arctic Ocean that occurred in 1999.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-fut062508.php

What is unique about this situation is that it was a large, completely undetected eruption. Researchers have assumed that explosive volcanism cannot happen in water depths exceeding 3 kilometres because of high ambient pressure. “These are the first pyroclastic deposits we’ve ever found in such deep water, at oppressive pressures that inhibit the formation of steam, and many people thought this was not possible,” says Robert Reves-Sohn, staff member of the WHOI and lead scientist of the expedition carried out on the Swedish icebreaker Oden in 2007.

However, we do know that hot water melts ice and it's plausible to accept that this event in 1999 will have affected the Arctic ice. How many other explosively erupting mid ocean ridge volcanoes remain undetected?

As you know, there are active volcanoes under Antarctic ice http://icecap.us/images/uploads/AntarcticVolcanoes2.jpg , but the ice nearly 1 million square kilometers higher than last year at this time. http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SOLS...ICE_UPDATE.pdf

These articles http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7194579.stm & http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0120160720.htm may toe the AGW line, but every new day sees more scientific evidence http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...pcc-annoyance/ that refutes the claims of Al Gore, Jim Hansen and the IPCC.

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/

http://www.icecap.us/

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../409808a0.html

http://www.climateaudit.org/ *

*The 2007 joint Best ScienceBlog winner. http://2007.weblogawards.org/polls/b...nce-blog-1.php

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/20...600&en=cfd587b

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...06_lecture.pdf

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...0-deniers.aspx

http://iceagenow.com/index.htm

Will you be reporting Gakkel Ridge? I could find only one reference. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1760271.stm

Yours faithfully

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Knut Sand

Ummm.... Just to avoid WWIII in here, maybe he didn't mean it quite that rude...?

I know he was not meaning to be rude, don't worry. Perry's my friend.
And anyhow...who wants to begin WWIII with a guy who lives close to a RAF base? He can send you bombers with the twink of an eye....!!!

....Or then send you hordes of catholic mothers from Sacred Heart charging along at 64 mph!!!


Cheers.

[Pericles]

Avante Madres Catholicas. Correction appreciated please.

Perry

[Pericles]

Underwater volcanoes release vast amounts of Heat into the surrounding water, however the oceans are immense and one of two erupting volcanoes can have only limited effect? Except, they could number 3 million.

http://environment.newscientist.com/...the-waves.html

In 1999 a huge eruption took place 4000 metres down under the ice surrounding the North Pole. About that time, there were the first reports that AGW was melting the Arctic ice, allegedly because warmer water was entering the Arctic Ocean from the North Pacific and Atlantic.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-fut062508.php

http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrati...718/index.html

http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/14288.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakkel_Ridge

Then, gosh, tarnation, more discoveries.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0619093259.htm

http://iceagenow.com/New_Island_Near_Tonga.htm

http://iceagenow.com/Ocean_Around_Ja...rming_Fast.htm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...w-volcano.html

Of course, you will always find some stupid pillock with his head in the sand and his anus ready to receive a steel tipped boot right in the jaxxie. If I ever get the chance, my kick will have the concerted power of a sabot round from a MBT.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...le-855406.html

It would be nice to think that we really are in for more warmth, but no sunspots means a cooler sun.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/...e/mdi_igr/512/

We're up the Swanee, gentlemen!

http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/new-e.htm

Perry

[Meanz Beanz]

Penn and Teller on the campaign trail!

[tinhorn]

Originally Posted by Meanz Beanz

Penn and Teller on the campaign trail!

That's great! Here's another scary one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUP9J...eature=related

[safewalrus]

Tin horn I like it! What a great idea!! Personnally I don't think anybody should be allowed to vote who hasn't done at leaast three years in the service of their country (ie. put their life on the line) in any country!! Put a halt to so much idiocy throughout the world!!

[DanishBagger]

Originally Posted by Meanz Beanz

Penn and Teller on the campaign trail!

http://www.dhmo.org/

[safewalrus]

Sounds good to me Danish - prefer the dehydrated version myself - just add water!! no, honest!

[DanishBagger]

True Wally.

It makes for much easier backpacking.

[Meanz Beanz]

Tinny,

Thats a laugh... people will sign anything it seems!

Originally Posted by DanishBagger

http://www.dhmo.org/

LOL, yes I have posted "wind up" threads on other boards based on that site. Its provided allot of entertainment... From my experiments I concluded that some young greenies are not thinking that clearly at all!


Cheers
Mbz

[DanishBagger]

Originally Posted by Meanz Beanz

LOL, yes I have posted "wind up" threads on other boards based on that site. Its provided allot of entertainment... From my experiments I concluded that some young greenies are not thinking that clearly at all!

Ha, ha , me too! I even posted it here before - a year or two ago. I can't remember in which thread, or if I actually made a separate thread for it, but believe me, it's not just young greenies falling for what is said on there.

It's a great exercise to see how critical people are to sources, especially net-sources.

Edit: Found it:

DHMO, the invisible killer!

[masalai]

I thought this may be of interest (a different perspective?) - - from here http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/show.html

This is the fifth in a series on the attribution of climate change; that is, how do we determine to what extent the observed warming is caused by humans? The earlier entries are cataloged at the end. (This one should, perhaps be the first!)
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[Pericles]

Brian,

IMO, one sentence destroys all creditability. "Carbon dioxide, therefore, is different than in the past." Really!

If you are interested in a story of intrigue and naughtiness, try these links? They are chronological order and the comments are all relevant to the saga.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3192

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3193

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3194

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3208#more-3208

"Read, mark and inwardly digest." as my English teacher said!.

Regards,

Perry

[masalai]

Not really Per - - Just a little bored, read this and immediately thought of you and how this would induce you to post a refuting argument, I didn't expect a researched thesis, just a "smilie" and a "no communist fish" in this thread please

Elucidate, Illuminate, Cogitate and a few other similes come to mind but my thesaurus is not with me at the moment...

Apologies for the intrusion....