What Do We Think About Climate Change

[the1much]

niterz knut

[Frosty]

I think it is the Aussie Aboriginies that say that we can not own land it is not right. It was Crocodile Dundee that said in the movies It is like 2 flees fighting over who owns the dog.

After all said and done you don't own it. You have the right to live on it until you are dead.

The government can take it from you if they wish for an amount of compensation they feel is appropriate.

And with town and planning you can do nothing with it that they don't agree on, hell you cant even chop down a tree on it without asking, dig a well build a tower, extend a garage, etc etc

In Uk you cant change a window unless it the same window as every one else has. In Spain in some areas you must paint a house white.

Errrr can you define ownership?

[the1much]

our "indians" said the same thing bout owning the earth.
and i have ALWAYS said that we (us here in the us) never own land,,,we rent it from the government,,then i tell em,,,,if ya dont believe me dont pay property taxes (rent) for a couple years,,,or,,,, have a gambling casino want your land ( or any other big biz) and the state will take it away,,give ya a couple dollars,,and give it to the biz,(eminent domain)

[safewalrus]

Ownership just means it's your fault when it all goes 'tits up'! Well they got to blame somebody -"they" (the powers that be) can't be wrong can they??

[Pericles]

Brian,

This site for information on Chaiten volcano. http://volcanism.wordpress.com/

It may yet have an effect on weather in the southern hemisphere.

Regards,

Perry

[masalai]

Sorry Per, I don't think any more (or less), just let it happen....

[wmonastra]

if you own your boat (and live on it ) is it yours??? as far as i know we dont have to pay to live on the water?? only have to pay to use the facilities on the land?? ( i could be wrong?)

the powers may own the land but id like to think that the water if free...

[masalai]

As far as I can find out it mostly still is "free to sail over" in most places to a greater or lesser degree (buoys and lights fees in SI where there are none but the fees are still required)...

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by wmonastra

if you own your boat (and live on it ) is it yours??? as far as i know we dont have to pay to live on the water?? only have to pay to use the facilities on the land?? .

Mmmm a good one that,-- ille have to show that to the marina manager.

[safewalrus]

Frosty as the man said youmay own the boat! he owns the wall!!

[Petros]

in all nomadic cultures owning land (or shoreline, or what have you) was never an issue. They would strip an area of food and then pack up and to a new area to harvest. Owning things only slowed you down, risked your survival, property is a liability. The faster you can harvest and move out, the more likely you are to survive.

With agriculture owning land became important, the more good land you owned the more food (resources) you controlled. Property becomes an asset. So the idea of owning land is only important if it is a source of power and survival. So there had to be a way of defining who owned it (a title) and where it is located (and how big it is), with a boundary survey. George Washington was a land survey in a new land, where the local population (nomads) had no sense of ownership. The land was valuable to the Europeans, not to the natives.

Arabs were once all nomads (vast lands to wander around in with little resources available), until they discovered there was oil under all that sand, and there was a market for it. So who owned and controlled that otherwise useless land became important (and worth fighting over).

If you blow about with the wind in your sailboat, and get all your food from the open ocean, than the only possession worth owning is a good sailboat and a fishing pole. And let all of the Hummer owners fight over the oil rich lands.

[masalai]

Well said Petros, and may all the "hummer" owners suffer the fate they demand...?

[wmonastra]

ahhh the good ol'e hum vee a lol, great looking 4x4s, even drove one once , but would never want to own one, be to damm scared of hitting anything, (esp on nz roads as they arnt the widest ). give me a good vespa anyday lol

[masalai]

Large 4x4's SUV's and even the toyota etc landcruiser should be TAXED off the roads, when the mamas get hold of one they are a positive menace and arrogance, Just try to park your small sensible fuel efficient car near the school to pick up your kids or whatever - the agression, language and attitude would make a battle hardened soldier feel weak.... and they can't drive for **** either.....

[Meanz Beanz]

They try and run me over all the time... they look across the top of my car.