What Do We Think About Climate Change

[the1much]

my energy is a renewable resource,,hehe ,,
and we're not trying to find out who's wrong or right,,,jus a plain ole conversation. hehe

[tinhorn]

But it is a serious topic, 1. I've changed my perspective on this issue (as well as others, such as nuclear) from learning more from folks just like you guys. I appreciate the civility with which we can poke one another's viewpoints as we try to figure out exactly WHO is BSing us.

[the1much]

ya,,being able to "argue""toss around""banter",,amongst "ourselves" is how ya tell REAL boaters,,,from idiots that OWN a boat.,,hehe
and even though we may not agree with someones post,,,,we RESPECT that post,,,then reply,,,,our climate,,our planet,,our lives, are important to each of us,,and therefore "your life" is important to "us"

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by the1much

we RESPECT that post,,,then reply,,,,our climate,,our planet,,our lives, are important to each of us,,and therefore "your life" is important to "us"

couldn't agree more...
And more important "to our childrens children"...
(as an ex (?) hippie, do you remember that album? I was tooo slow (approx by 10 years) to be a hippie).

You can figure that one out while I hit the sack

[the1much]

remember it,,,,i have about 30,000 hippie songs on my puter,,hehe
and im still a hippie,,not an ex ,,,like smoking cigs,,,,,,mom said "never be a quitter",,hehe

[longliner45]

never be a quitter,,,,I like that ,longliner

[Meanz Beanz]

Hippie dried and crushed smokes well...

[the1much]

hehe,,they gonna put certain "parts" of me ,,after i die (no,,,THAT1 not good nuff they said) up on ebay ,,,,man i hope some "chong" gets me,,,not a "cheech",,hehe

[Pericles]

Wherever I look, I see more evidence of the deception promoted by extreme environ MENTAL ists. However, the tide is turning against AGW claptrap.

A recent Gallop poll (May 29, 2008) concludes:

When asked their views on when the effects of global warming will begin to happen, 61% of Americans currently say "they have already begun to happen." This is a modest increase from 1997, when only 48% gave this response. However, while over three-fourths of Democrats (76%) believe global warming is already happening, only 41% of Republicans share that view. The resulting 35-point gap stands in stark contrast to 1997, when nearly identical percentages of Republicans and Democrats (47% and 46%, respectively) indicated that global warming was already happening. Thus, despite all of the attention given to global warming in the media, including coverage of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) reports, Republicans have become less likely over the past decade to believe that global warming is occurring.

http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/Sho...rb&date=080606

The lengths to which some of the deranged will go, is exemplified by Seattle Parks Board new policy. What a bunch of nitwits!!

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...-too-much-c02/

Regards,

Perry

[DanishBagger]

A gallup poll? You consider a poll to be "evidence of deception"? And you're basing that on what? That less republicans believes in global warming?

I am willing to bet, that MORE republicans than democrats believes that hurricanes and flooding are the wrath of God, that the earth is 6000 years old and so forth.

How does that prove anything about any "deception by the environmentalist" is going on?

I don't get it Perry, you're not being logical here.

[safewalrus]

didn't realise the whole global thingy was about logical? WOW! that does open it up - a lot..........

[tinhorn]

Originally Posted by Pericles

The lengths to which some of the deranged will go, is exemplified by Seattle Parks Board new policy. What a bunch of nitwits!!

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...-too-much-c02/

You're from London, so it's excusable that you don't know just how insane some of the young, Earth Shoe-wearing, trust fund babies in Seattle are. I'm in the same state as these zealots, and I wish to apologize to the world on behalf of the State of Washington for having taught them how to write.

There were some amusing responses to that article, though:

Why don’t they ban planting trees, because trees could later be burned in fires, which would contribute to global warming?
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I offset my emissions by making sure that most of the things I buy are made from plastic or at least wrapped in plastic. Then, instead of wasting precious power recycling the plastic, I take it to the local rubbish dump where it is subterraneanly sequestered. No Guilt at all. Might sound stupid but then Al Gore says some pretty stupid things and look how rich he is getting.
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I trust they will ban jogging in the parks; it generates unecessarily large amounts of CO2.
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There is a simple solution — the Seattle Parks and Recreation department can sell bonfire carbon credits and require that all bonfire participants use Bloomsberry Climate Change Chocolate to make their Smores.
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We should compel people to dress in white to raise the earth’s albedo.

I fought global warming today. I took a sheet of white paper and put it out in the back yard. I sat there and started to calculate. what if everyone did this?
what if we all worked to increase albedo. !

albedo mania.

Then I thought. remember when I was a kid.
And every back yard had acres of white undies flapping on clotheslines?
rememeber that? ( hehe)

Think of the lost albedo! We used to dry our tighty whities on the clothesline.
For free! Acres of white surface! we were saving the planet! Now we build nasty coal plants to dry tiny thongs in nasty appliances.

Every inch of white surface diminishes global warming. It’s true. Google it. albedo. Everyone should wear white clothes, and dry giant white granny panties on clotheslines . or go commando.

Next I put a reflector in the bed of my pickup truck. By my calculatons
the Truck is now carbon neutral. It’s carbon emissions are offset by its albedo contribution. I did the math. Phil Jones has the data. ask him for it.

The tin foils hats some people wear also offset global warming.
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And wait! Solar panels are dark! They decrease albedo. We’ve got a bigger problem now.
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“I was under the impression that wood was a renewable energy source generally called BIOMASS - therefore it doesn’t contribute to Global Warming when used an as energy source. Or have the rules changed?”

You see, comments like this just prove how incapable of solid reasoning skills deniers are. You see, when you burn wood, it creates fire. Fire is hot. Hot things generate heat. Heat makes things warmer. Thus, it only stands to reason that all these fires have contributed to global warming.

Please try and think all these things through before posting.

(And lest I be reprimanded, yes that was sarcasm)
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A long time ago, in a century far, far away, it was the concensus that cats caused bubonic plague. So the learned people of those days decided to kill cats to solve the problem. The idea that the problem had been identified and was being corrected blinded those same learned people from finding the real cause and then taking a more proper course of action. Could CO2 be the medival cat for our time?

[safewalrus]

what??????

[Pericles]

Danish,

"Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century's developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll-back of the industrial age." -- MIT Professor Richard Lindzen, PhD, Atmospheric Science

Here is some of the fall out, following the crushing of an environMENTAList cap and trade bill that was before the US Senate.

"Environmentalists are stunned that their global warming agenda is in collapse. Senator Harry Reid has all but conceded he lacks the vote for passage in the Senate and that it's time to move on. Backers of the Warner-Lieberman cap-and-trade bill always knew they would face a veto from President Bush, but they wanted to flex their political muscle and build momentum for 2009. That strategy backfired. The green groups now look as politically intimidating as the skinny kid on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1212...googlenews_wsj

Stephen Wilde has been a Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society since 1968. The first five articles from Mr Wilde were received with a great deal of interest throughout the Co2 Sceptic community.

In Stephen Wilde’s sixth and exclusive article for CO2Sceptics.Com he considers that the IPCC have failed to carry out any risk analysis for the potential for global cooling instead of global warming and that a repeat of the Little Ice Age a mere 400 years ago would cause mass starvation worldwide.

http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1396

The land that became the British Isles only became partially habitable from about 15,000 BP. Mesolithic hunters arrived and walked to Ireland to Scotland and also up what would become the east coast of England, having walked up the Atlantic coast from the ice age refuge in Northern Spain. (Hence we are all Galicians, Guillermo agrees!)

http://www.bloodoftheisles.net

The Scandinavian peninsula became habitable between 7,000 and 6,000 BP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_gl...orthern_Europe

Our present Interglacial Period is already longer than previous episodes in prehistory. Ice is coming to a town near you, soon.

Regards,

Perry

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Pericles

Hence we are all Galicians.....

Ei, carballeira...!!!!

(For all of you who have forgotten your Galician roots: This is a Galician Ethnic Shouting)