What Do We Think About Climate Change

[hoytedow]

There is no system closer to socialism than fascism.

[hoytedow]

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."
--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1923

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

There is no system closer to socialism than fascism.

Oh please....Europe is covered with socialist countries, and not a damn one of them is fascist. Are you telling me the Swedes are Fascists? The Brits? The French?

[hoytedow]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
-- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945

[hoytedow]

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
--Josef Stalin

[hoytedow]

Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

- Patrick Henry (from his Liberty or Death speech)

[Zed]

LOL....

Science is always political, humans are involved! Science history is replete with examples of the minority being proven correct yet having to face a torrent of sometimes very nasty opposition. There are so many agendas tied in with climate science there is no way it is pure, its a god damn political football with many sides trying to exploit it.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by fasteddy106

There is no industry sponsored campaign.

There you go again, saying things that are not only wrong, but blatantly false. I say blatantly false because I'm quite sure you've been debating this subject long enough to know better.

ExxonMobil alone has given millions of dollars to lobbying groups who argue against climate change being a reality.

[hoytedow]

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

Joseph Goebbels

[hoytedow]

Goebbels developed his propaganda techniques by studying the methods of early 20th century progressives.

[rasorinc]

Good post and very true. I have read much about propoganda from 1935 onward. We see it used today by the party in power.

[fasteddy106]

Originally Posted by troy2000

There you go again, saying things that are not only wrong, but blatantly false. I say blatantly false because I'm quite sure you've been debating this subject long enough to know better.

ExxonMobil alone has given millions of dollars to lobbying groups who argue against climate change being a reality.

Post the check numbers Troy, prove your statement. Plus you are ignoring the fact that the energy industries are in a win win position, they can't lose. If the AGW KoolAid Club creates a phoney shortage of oil they simply make more money on less sales.

Exxon/Mobil has spent 23 million on research, not lobbyists, bit of a difference there. Besides, why shouldn't they be allowed to defend themselves against the class warfare being waged on them? Btw, no one is saying the that the climate is not changing. Of course it is, it always has and always will. That's another ruse used by the dogmatics of AGW. We are not arguing against reality, we are arguing against the junk science being used to promote a political agenda. Do some reading beyond the headlines Troy, this link is a good start.......

http://joannenova.com.au/

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by troy2000

There you go again, saying things that are not only wrong, but blatantly false. I say blatantly false because I'm quite sure you've been debating this subject long enough to know better.

ExxonMobil alone has given millions of dollars to lobbying groups who argue against climate change being a reality.

One of your problems here is that you have not been long enough in this thread, or you wouldn't say that (unless you are so hard minded and stubborn as Boston, of course!).

Cheers.

[Guillermo]

Boston, here you are.
Whenever you want, you're invited.....

Cheers!

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

One of your problems here is that you have not been long enough in this thread, or you wouldn't say that (unless you are so hard minded and stubborn as Boston, of course!).

Cheers.

As much time and energy as fasteddie spends researching and debating this subject, it's inconceivable he would would say something so wrong simply out of ignorance.

That isn't any esoteric question of how to interpret charts, or how reliable hundred year-old readings are; it's a matter of public record. It's a well-known and well-publicized fact that the petroleum industry, particularly Exxon/Mobil, has spent millions of dollars financing groups and individuals who attempt to discredit climate change.