What Do We Think About Climate Change

[Meanz Beanz]

Tinnitus, I recommend a bottle of Shiraz. It will not fix anything but it will make it almost bearable.

No officer... I didn't do anything. Nice full moon don't ya think, come down to the shed I have a nice lime bath I want to show you.

[masalai]

Heinz, you didn't introduce Jim... He has several persona a) from the "Goon Show", b) a friendly hippy who contributes here of occasion, c) a rabid refugee from Maine, d) A Texas oil worker, e) a restaurateur, f) a self depreciating dumb-arse with a brilliant wit, g) the sort of guy you would want on your side in a fight...plus lots more... I think he is pals with a great silver-back gorilla (they seem to go well together) I think I left out a lot of other good points but you get the drift - Is that about right Jim, and Jim, and.......

[Pericles]

DBFS!

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...ur-icebreaker/

Perry

[Meanz Beanz]

Originally Posted by masalai

Heinz, you didn't introduce Jim... He has several persona a) from the "Goon Show", b) a friendly hippy who contributes here of occasion, c) a rabid refugee from Maine, d) A Texas oil worker, e) a restaurateur, f) a self depreciating dumb-arse with a brilliant wit, g) the sort of guy you would want on your side in a fight...plus lots more... I think he is pals with a great silver-back gorilla (they seem to go well together) I think I left out a lot of other good points but you get the drift - Is that about right Jim, and Jim, and.......

Sorry....

I think that the Mesicuns got him.... gone quiet !

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by Pericles

DBFS!

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...ur-icebreaker/

Perry

Quoted from that site:
"It seems the irony of a polar expedition to see such things as record sea ice loss being stopped cold by the very ice that doesn’t exist was not lost on the editors"



Reminds of a driver's note to his insurance company; "when I drove back to my home, I took a wrong turn, ended up in a garden that's not mine, collided with a tree I don't have..."

I believe we'll see more weather, all variations, probably a lot of it also. (saw a film from a tornado, filmed recently in US, from a helicopter, f'*'ing close also, pilot and chap with camera should be subject to serious medication...

Perry, you had a reference to politicians and Tyburn..., I was wondering where I had "Tyburn" from, remembered suddenly a song by Tom Waits, where he's singing "dancing the Tyburn jig"... doesn't sound too bad, I mean; to dance (i can't dance).... until I remembered what Tyburn (square?) was used as....

[Manie B]

Mas good one on the1
i can add very entertaining reading always

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by charmc

The mass media thrive on bad news. Reading stories by "journalists" (so few news reporters are real journalists anymore, another problem) on anything about climate, it becomes obvious that stories are slanted to promote extremes rather than provide thoughtful reporting of scientific research. As for the scientists, there appear to be "less than objective" researchers on both sides. One can argue that fossil fuel companies want research to support their businesses. One can also argue that environmental groups want research to support their view of the existence and cause of a crisis. Many of them would be out of work if there were no crisis, their grant money would dry up, etc. All the more reason to evaluate the data and methods as much as the source.

Personally, I suspect it's a lot more complex than we know yet. Geological scale cycles may be beyond our ability to measure or affect, yet research into the possible effects of industrialization and rapid population growth is important, far too important to be influenced by political considerations of either the right or the left.

No matter how large and complex our biosphere is, however, nothing justifies wasteful consumption of resources or avoidable pollution, both of which we humans are guilty of in spades. Hopefully, the current price trend in fossil fuels and basic commodities will accelerate development of alternative technologies and better consumption practices.

Wise as always, Charlie.

Cheers.

[the1much]

well ya knowz,,sometimes us happy ******** hippies just need ta get away,,hehe,,woooohooo i had the weekend off,,and today was my 5 year olds "graduation" from pre-kindergarten...hehe,,wow she thinks she a big girlhehe
And Mas,,,Thank-You as usual,,,i only have tokens,,hehe,,,now it gonna take my ole lady 3 days of reading to me before i catch up,,,damned,,hehe

[masalai]

Well I am not impressed, no climate change here - raining like billyooo out to sea and just enough to wet the concrete footpath but not enough to create any run-off and relatively warm at 17 deg Celsius and 06:41am on Thursday... so you Saffas (fanie) take note I can tell it as it is - honestly.... and you lot ant today yet - you is still yesterday.... my ASIO (Aussy secret wankers) - affiliation has been terminated with the fbi & cia so I can't see your local weather or home 'cept in google earth - I would like some of those gold coins being buried in the back garden 6 doors down---- I think?

How am I gonna get some of that rain if there is persistent wind-shear by the westerly jet stream knocking the tops of any potential rain-cloud forming up.... 50odd kph south easterly bringing fresh moisture (clouds) low off the warm ocean, to be knocked off and sent back by the higher winds in the opposite direction

[the1much]

wut ta hell is rain!?,,,it rained here the otha day for like 30 seconds,,been 90F-103F here for 2 weeks,,today was cool though,,low 90's.,,man when is the next ice age?,,i can handle cold better,,,,is easier to stay warm then to stay cool

[Pericles]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal#Li...uids_.28CTL.29

"Coal (underground) fires in China burn 109 million tonnes of coal a year, emitting 360 million metric tons of carbon dioxide. This amounts to 2-3% of the annual worldwide production of CO2 from fossil fuels, or as much as emitted from all of the cars and light trucks in the United States."

http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2002/110-5/forum.html
http://www.itc.nl/personal/coalfire/...b/coalman.html

Puts things into perspective somewhat?

Check out latest at http://www.icecap.us/

Perry

[Pericles]

Coal fire in China.

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by Pericles

"Coal (underground) fires in China burn 109 million tonnes of coal a year, emitting 360 million metric tons of carbon dioxide. This amounts to 2-3% of the annual worldwide production of CO2 from fossil fuels,

huh? A waste of energy, resources and a environmental catastrophe.

Soooo, lets zeee:

• We put those fires out, tricky but pussible.
• We stop all cars in the USA for a year, possible. they're close to bankrupt already

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We have 6 % down...

• We close the wells in the North Sea (at least those with flares). We Norwegians are only spending the money on a new operahouse, while it probably would be cheaper to send all opera interested people in Noreay to Sidney, all expenses paid....
• Mother of all oils fields are already weakening.
• We spread the word that body cavities can hold 100 - 200 grams of C4, you need a (tampered) plastic lighter as a trigger device. When body cavity searh becomes obligatory... The plane traffic will then be reduced to an absolute minimum.

There's hope....

[Meanz Beanz]

Hope...?

Have you any fecking idea what that will do? We are headed to WIII over energy. No green namby pamby fluffy feel good ideas are going to cut it here. We need some serious scalable energy solutions in a hurry. Sorry to burst the bubble but a little bit of CO2 is the last of our worries, that's a middle class western neurosis that will be thrown out in a desperate struggle for energy over the next two decades, a struggle for which we are not in the slightest bit prepared. Wake up smell the coffee... its already to late to prevent violence over this issue the time scales to implement change are already longer than we have. Forget the CO2 ********e that has been foisted on us and start looking at what happens to our "cheap energy" dependant lifestyles as energy supply tightens. People will fight, starve and die over this issue..... you just don't realise quite how desperate it really is yet.

[Meanz Beanz]

Apologies... just getting to the point where I have to scream....

We just don't get it yet... this is do or die stuff and its right on the horizon... now!