What Do We Think About Climate Change

[Guillermo]

Hi, Masa!
I've noticed only now that you've begun the construction of your boat on the 23th of April 09. My 58th birthday! Nice day!

Hopefully western economy will not collapse if we are wise enough to make it go the way of recognizing the value of real productive work and a prudent use of planet's resources. Bubble/speculative/frantic economics is what should collapse for ever.

A memorial for Mary Travers


Cheers.

[masalai]

What a honey... and a voice to match...

I cannot show much optimism in the economics situation... The world is firmly in the control of the wallstreet-money-managers who are bent on their own destiny and a total disregard for anyone else in the world.... Only solution at this stage is lethal extermination, as the rot of corruption is firmly entrenched...

I will be thinking of you next April, as launch will be about then, and for an Oram 44C just a bit North of me...

[Jenny Giles]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

Bubble/speculative/frantic economics is what should collapse for ever.

Cheer up! Japan's bubble should be bursting any day.

[masalai]

Ahhhh we have a newcomer who is into everything - - Welcome to the fray and the "dungeon" - - I am punting for the USA to fall first and drag Japan into the abyss along with UK and a few others....

[Frosty]

First fall of snow in China today,earliest for a decade. An American bank files for bankruptcy, and don't Forget 22 Dec 2012 is the fast approaching day that Nostradamus says is Armageddon day.

Something is going to happen

[masalai]

There have been more than 100 bank collapses in USA this year, but CIT is the biggest... will it induce more "dominoes" to fall, or, will climate change freeze all the action in NY? Nostradamus claimed knowledge but no one has successfully interpreted his quatrains...

Frosty! The lunacy of believing Nostradamus indicates that your wry humour (sic) is intact. Funny, tho - Did the "prophet" say anything about a ranting Aussie? Will he STFU on disparate threads before the world ends?

[Jenny Giles]

Originally Posted by masalai

Ahhhh we have a newcomer who is into everything - - Welcome to the fray and the "dungeon" - - I am punting for the USA to fall first and drag Japan into the abyss along with UK and a few others....

Nice to meet you all

I am punting (in a Melbourne Cup "Balsatico" sense) that the USA and Japan have already fallen but are too drunk on credit to know they are down and out.

[masalai]

hehehe and Mark is a minority party? I will send you a PM saying "Told You So" when confirmed... Some 'sceptic septics' are still in Egypt heavily drugged "on De Nial"...

My Lovely Lady fancies the Bart Cummings stable for 1,2 or 3 but I like your confidence, Oh heck mark will be pissed...

[Guillermo]

Now,
What about this temperature graph based on oxygen 18 isotope ratio?

[Guillermo]

R M Carter:
THE MYTH OF DANGEROUS HUMAN-CAUSED CLIMATE CHANGE

http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/2...0corrected.pdf

From the Abstract:
"Human-caused global warming has become the environmental cause
celebre of the early 21st century. The strong warming alarmist camp
currently includes the United Nations, most Western governments, most
of the free press, many large corporations (including Enron, before it
failed), the major churches, most scientific organisations and a large
portion of general public opinion. This phalanx of support
notwithstanding there is no scientific consensus as to the danger of
human-induced climate change. There is, therefore, a strong conflict
between the level of public alarm and its scientific justification. How can
this be?"

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by mark775

Frosty! The lunacy of believing Nostradamus indicates that your wry humour (sic) is intact. Funny, tho - Did the "prophet" say anything about a ranting Aussie? Will he STFU on disparate threads before the world ends?

But what time on the 22 dec 2012, I have things to do. I need to make sure the credit card is max for one,-- and no point in having a full tank of gas.

Armageddon will be a busy day.

[Guillermo]

"HFC-23 is the byproduct of HCFC-22 production. HCFC-22 is a refrigerant and strong ozone depletor, ostensibly banned by the Montreal Protocol on Substances That Deplete the Ozone Layer. Developing countries, however, were given a loophole arrangement under the Montreal Protocol (MP) specifically for HCFC-22, so while most countries in the world with any degree of industrial activity have agreed to abide by the MP, developing countries do not have to meet HCFC-22 phase-out targets. Because of this loophole, as a cheap and effective refrigerant HCFC-22 continues to be an important industrial chemical, produced in especially high volume by "rich developing" countries such as China, India and Korea.

Both HCFC-22 and HFC-23 are also strong greenhouse gasses, but HFC-23 has a 270-year lifetime in the atmosphere, HCFC-22 only 12 years, and thus HFC-23 has over ten times the Global Warming Potential of HCFC-22 at 14,800 times CO2-equivalent (see Table TS.2 in the WGI Technical Summary of IPCC AR4). Those seeking to fund CDM projects jumped early at the chance to abate the release of HFC-23 to the atmosphere. It turned out to be quite easy (read: cheap) to install capture-and-burn equipment on HCFC-22 factories, and with a ton of HFC-23 burned being the equivalent of over 14,000 tons of CO2 prevented from reaching the atmosphere, the race to fund HFC-23 burn projects was on.

The problem from an international policy perspective is that producers of HCFC-22 now make more money burning HFC-23 than they do selling HCFC-22. Imagine what being paid handsomely to burn your waste does to your incentive to reduce your waste. If your waste stream costs you to dispose of it, you might try to improve your production to reduce waste and thus save money. And even if you did get paid to burn your waste, it might make financial sense to reduce waste anyway if your efficiency improvements paid more in reduced operating expenses than burning waste generated in income. But neither is the case for HCFC-22 factories. For them a double financial incentive now exists: keep making HCFC-22 in copious amounts at a profit, which will produce HFC-23 as a now-valuable waste product. And since HCFC-22 producers need not even lift a finger to burn their HFC-23 (those funding the CDM project fund the capture and burn device), any incentive for switching away from the ozone-depleting HCFC-22 as a refrigerant is also destroyed."

More at: http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedb...consequ_1.html

Cheers.

[Guillermo]

"China took a big leap into the U.S. renewable energy market Thursday, putting up $1.5 billion for a 36,000-acre (14,569-hectare) wind farm in Texas with the power to light up 180,000 homes.

The project is a joint venture with U.S. Renewable Energy Group, a private equity firm, Austin, Texas-based Cielo Wind Power LP and Shenyang Power Group of China.

The announcement Thursday shows how much China's own wind industry has burgeoned and comes two days after U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu told lawmakers that the U.S. was falling behind China and others in alternative energy investment."

More at: http://www.syracuse.com/newsflash/in...new_topstories


Wind energy stimulus dollars spent overseas:
"More than eight out of 10 US stimulus dollars spent on wind energy farms have gone to foreign companies, according to a report by the Washington-based Investigative Report Workshop, a non-profit journalist group."

Read more at: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d4201676-c...nclick_check=1


Cheers

[Guillermo]

Planet doesn't seem to be drying: In the last 100 years global rain has, if something, increased. See NOAA's graph.

Cheers