What Do We Think About Climate Change

Sorry, K-nut, I skipped your "intelligent braincells" post until now. I know now, you DO have a scientist's thought process!

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by mark775

Common sense from (for me) a nearly unknown source; http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...58L6ID20090922

You could try to check if there may be a hidden agenda there....?

"In Europe, the largest part of coal is used for energy production (electrical and thermal energy generation) and this sector has not been really hit by the first wave of the economic downturn. On the contrary, the brown coal industry is on the rise, helping to preserve jobs and, in turn, overcome the recession,” says Petr Pudil, EURACOAL President and also Czech Coal CEO. The uncertainty stemming from the existence of mining limits, whereby the government is blocking access to extensive reserves of high-grade brown coal, has a negative impact on brown coal use in the Czech Republic.

EURACOAL, the European Association for Coal and Lignite, is headquartered in Brussels. At present it associates 27 organisations and companies from 18 European countries. The Czech Republic is represented in EURACOAL by the Union of Employers in the Mining and Petroleum Industries. The directly co-operating organisations include the Czech Coal Group, Severočeské doly a.s., Sokolovská uhelná a.s. and OKD, a.s. More information is available at www.euracoal.org . "

But then again, that would not suit your cause...

btw1; Sadly enough the Czech republic have one of the highest levels of curruption in the EU region; maybe some opinions are "traded"?

brw2; the "trade" could also be the concern for the work force versus the concern for the environment...?

[hoytedow]

Good for the Czechs, using the resources God provided them and freeing up the carbon for a whole new generation of vegetation, which in its turn could be transformed into a future coal seam. God, how I miss Kentucky!

[Jimbo1490]

Originally Posted by Knut Sand

Thought the PDB standard went out of use in 1994....?
Anyway, not even close to my field.... So what do I know.

The PDB method went away because we ran out of the particular mineral that is needed to perform the rest. This does not in any way call into question the accuracy of tests done by the PDB method. Anyway, the IPCC made the claim of 21% attribution in 1990, so we would expect that an isotopic signature study (would have been by the PDB method) must have existed in 1990 that could support their claim.

But alas, there was not. There is not.

Jimbo

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by mark775

Common sense from (for me) a nearly unknown source; http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...58L6ID20090922

Good old Vaclav!

I totally support his thinking. World leaders are behaving like teenagers about the global warming issue.

The 13 years old girl thing is nauseating.

Best.

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Knut Sand

....Sadly enough the Czech republic have one of the highest levels of curruption in the EU region; maybe some opinions are "traded"?....etc

Knut, that post of your is a "Bostonity"

Cheers

[Pericles]

Imagine if there were no reliable records of global surface temperature. Raucous policy debates such as cap-and-trade would have no scientific basis, Al Gore would at this point be little more than a historical footnote, and President Obama would not be spending this U.N. session talking up a (likely unattainable) international climate deal in Copenhagen in December.

Steel yourself for the new reality, because the data needed to verify the gloom-and-doom warming forecasts have disappeared. Or so it seems. Apparently, they were either lost or purged from some discarded computer. Only a very few people know what really happened, and they aren’t talking much. And what little they are saying makes no sense.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...I5MGY4ZWI5OWM=

The article rewards diligence, but only the enlightened climate realists will do it justice. The "CO2 is pollution" dullards will cry "anathema" as did those who condemned Galileo. On 31 October 1992, Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled, and issued a declaration acknowledging the errors committed by the Church tribunal that judged the scientific positions of Galileo Galilei, as the result of a study conducted by the Pontifical Council for Culture. In March 2008 the Vatican proposed to complete its rehabilitation of Galileo by erecting a statue of him inside the Vatican walls. In December of the same year, during events to mark the 400th anniversary of Galileo's earliest telescopic observations, Pope Benedict XVI praised his contributions to astronomy.

Warmists beware. Your defrocking is nigh.

[Pericles]

Oh look. Antarctic ice continues to defy AGW predictions. Why am I not surprised?

[fasteddy106]

The failure of the U.S. Senate to pass the Cap & Tax (Zero Growth Initiative) bill will be a major pimple on the nose for the U.S. delegation at the Copenhagen. Thus the big push from Il Duce Obama about AGW in the last few weeks. With any luck enough Senators will be brought to the light and will let the bill die a very unmemorable death to so we can avoid wasting even more taxpayer money on this insult to intelligence and common sense.

You can tell by the increasingly shrill nature of the alarmists that they fear reality overtaking their distortion of facts and outright lies about AGW.

Now if we can just hold off the forces of societal devolution here in the U.S. until 2010 and the forces of sanity retake the U.S. House of Representatives, the Zero Growth KoolAid Club may be put down for the count.

That article about Jones is a perfect illustration of the tactics of the alarmist elitists and their minions. Brings to mind the scene in the Wizard of Oz where the curtain is pulled away from the Wizard by Toto and the old fraud is exposed.

So much of the AGW agenda is similar in nature only the active participation of the media and the Hollywood Glitteratti keep the agenda alive but more and more the truth is leaking out and the concensus Imams like Boston are like becoming like drowning men denying the existence of water.

[fasteddy106]

This is so typical of the mind set of the alarmist crowd.........


http://joannenova.com.au/2009/09/exi...non-believers/

[dccd]

I thought the big power compaies where resisting the climate change crowd, if so why this: http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index....new_topstories

Now they have cannot say we are all paid shills for big power if they ever could.....

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by Pericles

Antarctic ice continues to defy AGW predictions.

What would be more relevant in this regard is the amount of ice in volume, not areal.. Anyway that's what I'd like to see..

[Pericles]

Warmists create alarm about summer melt of large areas of polar ice. The depth or thickness of ice on the Antarctic land mass is about 4 miles thick. More at http://nsidc.org/seaice/characteristics/difference.html

All in all, there is nothing that humans should worry about, except a snowball planet.

[Terry Ryan]

The Science is in. your right. But you have chosen to listen to the few rather than the majority. Hopfully the ones that are willing to reef the sails and come about; before the storm might save some lives of the poorest on the planet.
Tez

[Jimbo1490]

The poorest people on the planet will be the most adversely affected by the self-defeating fool's errand of draconian carbon emissions cuts or the greed/fraud driven carbon trading schemes. Neither will effect the climate in any measurable way.

Jimbo