What Do We Think About Climate Change

[bntii]

Jimbo- hope all is going well.
I got a chance to get out on the water this year- nice.. not too hot & nice breezy conditions!



Thomas

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by Jimbo1490

If you have an alternate idea as to how a 15th century cartographer could have drawn the images, then please share it with us.

No idea but what's sure he also draw bering straight dry among other things making an "odd ball". Anyway quite impressive work considering the time of the work. Any evidence he never were onboard a ship?

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Jimbo1490

...Since there is no question of the authenticity of the map, we must conclude that the climate was sufficiently different at that time to have permitted this situation. Warmer? Drier? Who knows? But it was very different.

I'm afraid I do not agree here with you, sorry. The map can be original but also be perfectly wrong, as it is consistently and clearly explained (in my opinion) in the pages I've linked to, specially in http://xoomer.virgilio.it/dicuoghi/P...inaeus_eng.htm
So, we can infere nothing about Anctartic climate from such map.

Cheers.

[TeddyDiver]

To make a "laymans" conclusion of my own of course, there will never be an absolute thruth in such complex matter. Instead there are multiple theories backed up with more or less solid evidence. What's sure there's multiple blocks of factors to explain climate chances. None of them won't exclude another, some of them are far too powerfull or untouchable to us to mendle with (solar activity for instance), and a few of which we can do something about. If it shows up in a later event that we need an additional boost of CO2 in the atmosphere we can burn up a couple of coalfields in a very short notice. So far like us to be a bit more cautious..
Teddy

THAT...is how warmers gracefully bow out of a lost debate. "well, uh... we, ahh...we will never agree...the complexity...but better to err...we can do SOMETHING...on the side of caution (and we better absolutely destroy the West's economy while we're guessing!).

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by mark775

THAT...is how warmers gracefully bow out of a lost debate.

Well I'm not a warmer believing only CO2.. What comes to solar activity and cosmic rays I'd rather save all the C to be burned when we hit the next time inside a spiral arm of the galaxy
Meanwhile just waiting new sailing routes to open

[Jimbo1490]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

I'm afraid I do not agree here with you, sorry. The map can be original but also be perfectly wrong, as it is consistently and clearly explained (in my opinion) in the pages I've linked to, specially in http://xoomer.virgilio.it/dicuoghi/P...inaeus_eng.htm
So, we can infere nothing about Anctartic climate from such map.

Cheers.

Yeah I see what you mean; too much based on legend and folklore so not reliable for scientific inquiry at all.

Jimbo

TD, wave when you go by ("you can almost see Russia from here", 59°38.23N x 151°32.53W). Our water got up to 8.3C a few days ago. Fifteen years past, we had some 13.8C Augusts. I guess I'll put away the swim trunks until after the ice age.

[TeddyDiver]

I will! Might even take some provisions from Homer. Coors if you got some cool And I never swim with only trunks in water under 27C .. thats why I got a drysuit for
Flew once (or twice actually) by 59°38.23N x 151°32.53W to Japan. Nice sunny wheather and the snowy mountains of Alaska by the Bering straight looked beautifull..

[FAST FRED]

Excuse me ,

but, for what part of the last 4.3 BILLION years has the planets climate NOT been changing?

Why is today UTOPIA , to be saved forever?

FF

Paging Mr. Gore...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0PrqEMy9v

[hoytedow]

If it floats, put a motor on it and make it go. I hope your props stop cavitating and grab some good water.

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by mark775

Paging Mr. Gore...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0PrqEMy9v

Holy cow!
I'm running just now to check if my fridge uses isobutane...!

By the way, you shouldn't give ideas to those guys wanting to eliminate their loving wives....

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

Holy cow!
I'm running just now to check if my fridge uses isobutane...!

Not only that....
Here in Norway we often use cans with grease for spraying on the irons before making some cookies of pancakes. These boxes contain some type of fat, and earlier (Believe the propellant gas is exchanged with something less funny) also a gas of some kind, very flammable in a funny way, kinda a flamethrower, emptied the kitchen in a sec.....

Well, what happened somewhere was they put these cans in the fridge, fat, when cooled down, is kinda sticky, resulted in the valve on top of the can sticking and the propellant gas escaped..... well a fridge is a pretty closed area, so when the next visitor to the fridge opened the door, the light switched on, (no IP, or Ex classification specified on that switch... ), bet you get scared when this happens....

[Guillermo]

Positive proof of global warming....
(Taken from http://www.solarcycle24.com)
By the way: Sun is blank again. Follow the link)

Cheers.