What Do We Think About Climate Change

[SamSam]

Originally Posted by masalai

I have also heard of "there are statistics and lies" one being supported by "********, the other by academic ********" the word "bureaucratic",

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Autobiography of Mark Twain

We have a tv commercial over here where the guy says something like " You can make 90% of statistics say anything you want 50% of the time." I'm not sure what that means.

http://www.quotegarden.com/statistics.html

[the1much]

at least with global warming we'll have something good to look at,,,,even if we cant breathe hehe
today was history channel day,,,,most people dont think 1 degree is that big of a deal,,,,but with our earths orbit round the sun suppose to be elliptical,,not round,,,,,round = warmer,,,,,elliptical= colder,,,,,,guess what we're suppose to be doing now?

[Meanz Beanz]

Cherry pick the numbers and the economy is fine, cherry pick the the inputs that create the numbers and we have 3% CPI, rose coloured glasses and prozac flakes for brekkie.... oh crap, I just wet myself laughing

http://www.shadowstats.com/

I'm just a rebel without a clue.... shadup ya damn ape!

[Meanz Beanz]

Originally Posted by the1much

guess what we're suppose to be doing now?

My biological programming has produced an answer, its not a solution but it involves the lass in the picture.

[masalai]

A master of economics has a mastery of statistics and an economist is like a witch without a broom (uses a biz-jet), and has better spells to cast... ( -masalai- 23 Apr 2008)

My misquote could not rightly be attributed hence the "I have also heard" also I had forgotten the original phrase, thanks...

[the1much]

make love,,,,not warmth?,,,hehe

[Meanz Beanz]

Its my big bang theory of global warming... abstain, cool the globe!

[masalai]

Whaaaat me abstain? why? NO way...
Be self sufficient. - OK.
Be less dedicated to gross consumption - actually - (next line)
Be minimalist in consumption. - OK.
Be helpful and sharing of any surplus. - OK.

[Guillermo]

Now to turn this interesting discussion in a more boating oriented one, I propose to talk about what the influence of a major global climate change (be it warming or cooling) would have on boat design. Let's imagine we go into a little ice age again, with global temperatures dropping 2ºC under what they are now. How would that afftect sea related activities in general (drilling, transport, fishing, pleasure boating, etc) and what the influence on designs?

Cheers.

[masalai]

I am intolerant of cold and layered clothing, so move to a warmer climate or hibernate...

I pray for a warmer climate, where I would feel very comfortable and never return - gotta build MY boat first... I figure it has to be within 10 years or I am doooomed to landlubbering.... Present choice is an Oram 39 "mango" or the 44-C with John Hitch type rig and electric drive etc... (no gas cooker)

[charmc]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

How would that afftect sea related activities in general (drilling, transport, fishing, pleasure boating, etc) and what the influence on designs? Cheers.

OSV construction is booming, with record backlogs. Regardless of the economic incentives for alternative energy sources, oil will be king for many years. Drilling in deeper waters will grow, maintaining the demand for more and larger support vessels.

Transport in the near term wil see a growth in mega container ships, which are more economical in terms of operating cost/ton, and therefore more "green" fewer emissions/ton transported.

I have no idea what effect a few degrees drop in water temperature might have on fishing. In general, though, demand for seafood will increase, while concerns about shallow water fish farms concentrating contaminents will increase. Open water fish farming has been growing, as some types mimic open water conditions well. This may increase demand for specialized vessels to transport the harvest to land based facilities.

Recreational boating will eventually reflect higher fuel costs, the result of both peak oil factors and lower average temperatures. Thankfully, that might mean the end of stubby deep v hulls which require hundreds of horsepower just to get to cruising speeds. Perhaps we will see mass produced hulls designed to be more easily driven, as well as smaller engines. Power cats should increase market share. The same influences will see an increase in sailboat purchases, although powerboats will continue to dominate the market, at least in the US.

I don't believe a 2 deg C temperature drop will affect boat design from a "stay warm" aspect, but, not for the first time, I could be wrong.

[Guillermo]

Thanks for the follow up, Charlie and Brian. Very interesting discussion may arise. But I have to go now to work. Tonight I'll be back to these forums (hopefully, as it is my birthday and a nice family celebration is foreseen) to find out more ideas from other members.

Cheers.

and ALL sailing boats under 50 feet shud be fully tax deductable, and totally subsidised, excepting Cats)

[Meanz Beanz]

yeah and dogs

[masalai]

Meorrroww....

Guillermo, Happy Birthday...