What Do We Think About Climate Change

[safewalrus]

No good me going to heaven, don't know anybody up there!! Be bored to ............hehe.............Hell!

[masalai]

Arrrrgh, you would have those lovely ladies wearing stern faces and black cloaks all carrying firearms, making sure the "virgin seekers" get the right message he he he ...

[safewalrus]

Ah yes, but wouldn't it be enjoyable when the 'virgin seekers' find that the deal was not 72 Virgins but actually a 72 year old Virgin!! Carrying a cross and a gun!!

[the1much]

WASHINGTON - Planet Earth continues to run a fever. Last month was the warmest March on record over land surfaces of the world and the second warmest overall worldwide. For the United States, however, it was just an average March, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported Thursday.

NOAA's National Climatic Data Center said high temperatures over much of Asia pulled the worldwide land temperature up to an average of 40.8 degrees Fahrenheit (4.9 degrees Celsius), 3.2 degrees (1.8 C) warmer than the average in the 20th century.

Complete analysis: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...mar/mar08.html

[masalai]

The1, if you keep this up you may end up with a brain fart, but what a way to go - as the intellectual power of this net... Good work Sir... - Alas only "tokens" are available for the giving - maybe you have enough of those anyway...

Thanks...

[masalai]

Pericles, I feel this news item is contra to your view, but what the heck - read on -

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...18/2165601.htm

Research shows Southern Ocean wind currents weakening
Climate scientists are celebrating 15 years of Southern Ocean monitoring from the French Antarctic supply ship Astrolabe (CSIRO: Dale Kolody)

A 15-year research project has revealed that changes in wind patterns are contributing to rising sea temperatures in the Southern Ocean.

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[safewalrus]

Just a couple of items - I bet the crew of the Astrolobe are mighty hacked off - I mean 15 years recording weather conditions, don't they ever get to port for a few beers and other things?

the Other thing.....................................................will you guys stop doing this cut and paste thing? by the time I've read all the absolute rubbish that you stick in here I ain't got time to go read anything else! The last time I read a newspaper it said the American Civil War was ended! is this true? who won? why? Is that the side Micky Mouse fought on?

[Guest-3-12-09-9-21]

It snowed at my house yesterday...if this global warming crap keeps up I am going to freeze my ass off!

[Guillermo]

What's the truth? Global warming or Ice Age....?
http://www.iceagenow.com/

I think the only truth is a lot of people is making money on the speculation!

Cheers.

[Guillermo]

But this sounds sensible to my ears:

The Coming of a New Ice Age

BY GERALD E. MARSH
Retired physicist from the Argonne National Laboratory and a former consultant to the Department of Defense on strategic nuclear technology and policy in the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton Administration.
http://gemarsh.com/

http://www.gemarsh.com/wp-content/up...0ICE%20AGE.pdf

"Contrary to the conventional wisdom of the day, the real danger facing humanity is not global warming, but more likely the coming of a new Ice Age.

What we live in now is known as an interglacial, a relatively brief period between long ice ages. Unfortunately for us, most interglacial periods last only about ten thousand years, and that is how long it has been since the last Ice Age ended.

How much longer do we have before the ice begins to spread across the Earth’s surface? Less than a hundred years or several hundred? We simply don’t know.

Even if all the temperature increase over the last century is attributable to human activities, the rise has been relatively modest one of a little over one degree Fahrenheit — an increase well within natural variations over the last few thousand years.

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NASA has predicted that the solar cycle peaking in 2022 could be one of the weakest in centuries and should cause a very significant cooling of Earth’s climate. Will this be the trigger that initiates a new Ice Age?

We ought to carefully consider this possibility before we wipe out our current prosperity by spending trillions of dollars to combat a perceived global warming threat that may well prove to be only a will-o-the-wisp."

And this sounds even more sensible:

"AL GORE won an Academy Award for his skillfully done film, “An Inconvenient Truth.” It was well-deserved. Had he given as good a performance during his campaign for president, he would have won in a landslide. As environmental drama, it only can be compared with Michael Crichton’s novel, State of Fear. Both have elements of scientific and political fact, and both are excellent fiction."


Cheers.

[Guillermo]

More:

"Carbon dioxide is often labeled “the most important greenhouse gas” by the media and in popular literature. Those familiar with the field know that this is not the case. Water vapor (by far the most important greenhouse gas) is excluded because it is treated as a feedback in climate models. Unfortunately, this is not understood by most of the general public, nor by many policymakers for that matter. Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas responsible for only a small fraction of the earth’s greenhouse effect. Increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by, for example, a factor of two does not double the amount of infrared radiation absorbed by this trace gas. The reason for this has to do with where the carbon dioxide absorption bands are located relative to the earth’s emission spectrum, and the amount of carbon dioxide already in the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide has three absorption bands at wavelengths of 4.26, 7.52, and 14.99 micrometers (microns). The earth’s emission spectrum, treated as a black body (no atmospheric absorption), peaks at between 15 and 20 microns, and falls off rapidly with decreasing wavelength. As a result, the carbon dioxide absorption bands at 4.26 and 7.52 microns absorb negligible amounts of thermal radiation compared to the band at 14.99 microns."

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0706/0706.3621.pdf

[safewalrus]

Now that my friend seems plausable! Witness the weather you are having today in Andalucia (or so father tells me from Mallorca having received it from my sister in Andalucia - yes mate we're closer than you think!! Damn English heratics get everywhere!) Hardly of the type to foster views about Global Warming that's for sure!! Pretty damn cold in Cornwall too!

[Guillermo]

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming.
All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm

Cheers

[masalai]

If that Global current thingie stops or changes THEN you will know a "hot & a cold worlds" depending on where you are...

[Meanz Beanz]

IMO you are on the money Guillermo, watched another doco on it last night. I have seen so many now I recognise all the bits that they have borrowed from other doco's. They acknowledged that the heat transports have shut down many times in the past and will likely do so again in the not so distant future. Yet some how they still projected the view that man can alter and stave off the condition by reducing CO2 emissions. Common sense asks why this would be when the natural order of things has travelled this path before man was, well just was really. A cold turn is due right around now...

Water vapour seems to be ignored as a green house gas because it dwarfs the volume of CO2 and any variation in its volume can more than out weigh CO2's effects. It seems simpler to treat it lightly as an element in the climate models than than try to account for it fully. The fact seems to be that the variables are so many and so interconnected that any climate projection to far into the future can easily be altered to produce any outcome by changing some base assumptions. Coming up with any degree of accuracy here is a long shot.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see cleaner fuel in use and would do a lot to encourage it but I have seen very little that I would consider a viable alternate to oil yet. Most of these technologies don't scale that well, replacing oil is a mighty task. Keep in mind with our current growth in consumption we need something with 10x oils original potential as a solution not a simple replacement, a quantum leap. Our history has had us come through with a dominant solution to most problems and among the green contenders there is nothing that holds out that much hope yet (discounting nuclear cause ya all seem to hate it!)