What Do We Think About Climate Change

[BillyDoc]

Hi Boston,

I've been out of town and have not had time to catch up on this thread, but saw that you were trying to do a correlation, in what looked like the hard way! The mathematical routine you are looking for is called a "Pearson Product-Moment (r) Correlation." You can see the formula for hand calculation here: http://research.ed.asu.edu/multimedia/eq.gal/corr.html but lots of hand calculators have the routine built in. You can probably find a calculator on the web too.

Gotta go!

Oh, most people can see a correlation when two functions are plotted together without the need for fancy math. The graph you show definitely has two correlated functions. No doubt about it.

BillyDoc

[Boston]

ya I got it to about 6/1000 accurate going the hard way

but thanks for the tip
Ive forgotten most of my statistics classes as I never use em

[bntii]

It's been argued many times on this thread that is in fact just that Boston- a conspiracy to control the world through science.

I have always sort of thought that the findings of science should direct policy..

[Boston]

ya I knew that
I just wanted to reiterate that global climate change is not a conspiracy of government
for those who seem to cling to the idea

9/11 certainly could be
gulf of Tomkin certainly was
Kennedy ?
and lots of others
but a conspiracy involving 97% of the scientists studying independently at countless separate institutions for over a hundred years backed by basic physics and involving an open academic arena that thrives on proving the other guy wrong
sorry, not a chance

science is way to unkind to possibly cut the slack needed to pull that one off

[rasorinc]

Did not a great author speak of a conspiracy re: this subject in a very interesting book? He was an M.D. and just passed away. Wrote Congo plus many other thrillers. Advancing C.R.S. deprives me of his name.

[bntii]

"State of Fear"

By Michael Crichton

Popular writer of fiction...

[rasorinc]

bntii, thank you very much, I now resember that. Getting old is touf.

[bntii]

np rasorinc- I always enjoyed his books.

Same with James Michener though his work is more the historical novel.

[bntii]

damn sean- we start dragging Catholic schoolgirls up into the ivory tower with us and we won't be getting anything done...

[Fanie]

On the news a couple of days back -

The African philamon's now want to sue the western world 'they must pay' because 'they are the cause of global warming'.

I wonder which of them is going to be the first to ban their car and start walking...

[Boston]

alright who moved the drivel thread

[Boston]

so what have we agreed on so far

that C R S is a debilitating condition

that there is a relationship between temp and co2 and that that relationship has a statistically insignificant variation

that water vapor and water droplets are two different forms of mater having different physical characteristics

that co2 has a stronger influence on the greenhouse effect than water vapor based on co2's physical characteristics and not on its preponderance in the atmosphere

that water vapor when it condenses releases heat

I think we have been over the above enough to say we can all agree on that much
speak up if your not on board and I can go over whatever again if you need

for my next trick Ild like to agree that dew point is directly related to temperature

is it possible to agree on that as well

also Ild like to point out that based on the definitions of the term unprecedented that have been posted
that the carbon spike, shown in the last few years; which has been measured and verified by multiple sources believers and detractors alike, as depicted on the graph from the detractors web site is
unprecedented in the last 450,000 years of the natural weather cycle

[rasorinc]

Methene causes global warming and is caused by 500 million pet cattle in India. It is a religious subject so how do we handle that??? Over fed cattle while many in India go hungry.

[Fanie]

Dew point can be reached between -10 and 30 deg C according to my psychrometric chart, but is drawed for 1500m above sea level.

[rasorinc]

Serious question from one who seldom enters into these discussions.
1. Is methene caused by humans, cattle, sheep, swine, whales, and all number of dogs and cats and wild mammals that burp and fart factored in to any of these un-understandable equations? Boston? Others?? It must amount to a large figure. Is that figure as high as rotting vegatation? I would really appreciate knowing this and having an answer to through out at get to gethers to change the subject back to women or football or fishing.
I am serious so please educate me. Thanks much, Stan