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Old 07-21-2010, 03:26 PM
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A great thread-one of the classics-thanks to all who have contributed reminders of where "sailing" and "Yacht Design" came from. I wonder if they would be as proud of us as we are of them?
Thanks for the idea, Richard.
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Old 07-21-2010, 06:19 PM
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A great thread-one of the classics-thanks to all who have contributed reminders of where "sailing" and "Yacht Design" came from. I wonder if they would be as proud of us as we are of them?
Thanks for the idea, Richard.
Well,

nothing is real, nothing is easy to grasp, when we don´t know (and accept), how our ancestors went to sea. We are still learning, thats ok.

Inch by inch, shape after shape they refined the crappy sampans they were cought on,

then we came with new technologies, assuming we know better.


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Old 07-21-2010, 06:44 PM
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then we came with new technologies, assuming we know better.
We probably know a lot less, but technology makes it a lot easier. If you go and think those times through then one can begin to realise how gutsy they must have been.

If you're out in the wild without lights and vehicles and GPS's and stuff you quickly realise how helpless - really - we are without our modern aids.

I was in a big scrap yard one night, scariest experience I ever had. You hear noises and things you cannot place or relate to. Probably is the same on a boat you don't know the sea, the weather, currents, traps and pittfalls and not even sure if the earth was really round or flat.
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The complexity of a large sailing ship boggles my weak mind. I can only respect to the genius minds which developed the sailing gear found on these great ships.
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Old 08-28-2010, 06:23 PM
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Just don´t forget them!

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Fantastic thread Richard and great contribution from every one.
Many great people payed in blood and sweat for us to have the luxury and comfort we live in today.

May they rest in peace ...
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We won't forget them, the seafarers from many nations.
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Rescuers of Ameland

I like to copy an extract of our game ‘‘Where is this?’’ to this place of heroes..!!

Not for the horses, though they are worth it too, but...
For the eight Men mentioned from 1844 till 1863.

extract from post #5145 till #5156
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This is a sad story about a rescue team with a long and successful history. But on a doomed day their luck turned and a bad accident happened. That night four people were rescued but the team lost eight of their bravest...

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The early days of the grave. - - The grave nowadays.

Where is this..? - - When did it happened..? - - What and how did it happened..?
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We are seeing the "Abraham Fock" on that stone near Hollum, island Ameland, Netherlands.

On the 14.08.1979 the lifeboat rescued 4 sailors from their yacht, but 8 of the ten horses which were pulling the boat lost their life. Well, 8 of the bravest, no doubt.

http://www.amelandermusea.nl/abrahamfock.html

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Well Done Richard . . . ! ! !

I'm not sure about the name of the boat, I tought I've read once the name of one of her siblings in regarding to the 1979 accident but I'm not sure.

Everything else in the answer is 100% right for sure..!!



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Before 1824 the Amelanders made their rescues sitting on a horse swiming trough the surf bringing the shipwrecked one by one to the beach...

They started to launch the lifeboat from the beach in 1824 from a place which has no harbour near so it was the fastest way to the ships in need for a long time. Don't know when they stopped doing it for real, but in 1979 it was still the real thing and faster then the lifeboat from a harbour.

There's a long long list of rescues over all these years..!!

This is the list of the costs....
-- August 20, 1844, one saved, two rescuers drowned.
-- August 25, 1861, en route to the ship in need the lifeboat capsized, five rescuers drowned.
-- month? day? 1863, ten saved, one rescuer drowned.
-- Then for over a century many rescues and no accidents.
-- August 14, 1979, four saved, eight horses drowned.

added: this post is here to remember and to honor them..!!

It's tragic proof that the frequently awarded medals to the rescuers also had their drawbacks...

Here's a video of a old man who reads a poem and tells what happend in 1979. The video is in Dutch but there's original footage from the 1979 accident in it which makes it worth watching I think, even if you don't understand the language.

The video is also on YouTube, less written text there but many related links to nice video's.

In short the old man tells... the current eroded a trench underneeth the sand and when the heavy lorry with the boat entered it collapsed and drowned the horses which were stuck to the heavy lorry. In the original 1979 footage you see the wal baas (= shore boss) checking for trenches with a stick before the lorry goes in, the sand above the underneeth trench was only strong enough to carry him. After that he never was the same man, his sons tells in the video.

Next day the drowned horses were pulled ashore.



This^ is one of the sad pictures you will find when 'google images' ‘‘verdronken paarden Ameland’’.


We did some talk about this from post #4574 on page 305 till post #4590 on page 306 while another quest was running.

There are nice pictures about this there and Murielle posted a nice vid..!!


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This was one of my clue's which Richard didn't needed. It's not a real memorial but a piece of scenery for some kind of romanticized movie in which this story occurs. Its made of plywood and painted to look like corten steel.


Todays reenactments are only by day, only by nice weather and only between tides when there's no current. The real thing was different...


Links: [ 1 ] - [ 2 ] - [ 3 ] - [ 4 ] - [ 5 ]

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.... but many related links to nice video's.
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One of the best of them... DE DAPPERE PAARDEN VAN AMELAND

Enjoy..!!

Cheers,
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Old 11-03-2010, 01:56 PM
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Hmm,

that was the meaning of this thread, let us not forget them.

Well done Angel.
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This reminds me of my... Hmm, lets see... Grandmothers Grandfather? Yep, that's it. As well as being a marksman, he started out as a sailor, on one of the German clippers (from Hamburg, no?). Julius Shütte was his name anyways, born 1863. He became some kind of officer, or even a captain on one of those clippers. One day on a particularly hard voyage where they had lost many men, and were critically short on manpower, Julius was flushed overboard in a storm. As the highest (if not the only) command on the ship, they desperately tried to fish him up, risking the entire ship. Luckily Julius could swim (not common), and rather well in fact. For three hours in a storm, they tried to fish him up, finally succeeding, and they could continue home.

He served as an officer in the Kaiserliche Marine during WW1, and was old, poor (hyperinflation lost all his money) and eventually died during WW2.

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