Traps employing a professional.

[Yobarnacle]

Good question! I'd like to know too!

[Silver Raven]

Originally Posted by Wynand N

A variation on the theme;

I work with GRP. A client comes along and want a certain amount of custom items molded to his specifications. Since one need a mold to produce these items and the client cannot supply one, I charge him for the cost and time to produce a plug and mold of the item so moldings can be produced using the said mold. The amount of items taken from the mold is paid separately each.

Question; Since the client paid for the labor and materials to produce the plug and mold taken thereof, to whom does the plug and mold belong?

WOW, 'Wynard' - I've been in the GRP industry since 1952 - Canada - 1962 Australia. Shell International & I had that very discussion - but we (they) chose to do it in a court-of-law. - Stupid them - I only got into GRP cause I got very put-off - with my legal degree - which I passed - with honooorrs (ment it that way)

Anyway Shell International took me to court (at their expense) because they thought they owned all the 'development & research', expenses & program - yeh RIGHT - NO - WRONG - - The 'High court' in Australia - found against Shell Int Corp & all costs theirs & mine (3 mil later - 1 mil in my pocket) let me assure you - if you do the 'hard-yards' you call the shot & you get paid. The High-Court Judge - Sir - said so !!!!! If you've got a personal problem in this area - then 'PM' me - all cost, to do that are payed in a few (s6x) Sundowners. Ciao, james (s6x - is a K1W1 - joke)

[waikikin]

Originally Posted by Wynand N

A variation on the theme;

I work with GRP. A client comes along and want a certain amount of custom items molded to his specifications. Since one need a mold to produce these items and the client cannot supply one, I charge him for the cost and time to produce a plug and mold of the item so moldings can be produced using the said mold. The amount of items taken from the mold is paid separately each.

Question; Since the client paid for the labor and materials to produce the plug and mold taken thereof, to whom does the plug and mold belong?

may be you charge a "storage fee" in regards to the tooling whilst waiting for the next order(with agreement from the client as they want it kept nice for the quality of their product), that could be equivalent to the tools value especially as it would be uncool to use that tool for items made for the clients competitors & also charge for destruction & disposal once superseded, from this point forward the tooling has a negative value if demand is not there.

[Yobarnacle]

3 mil= 3 1000 or 3 million? Good for you if 3 million, seems $3000 of which you kept 1k, wouldn't be your labor for your court time.

[tom kane]

Unfortunately (for him) my professional photographer lost his everything in a fire at his business premises so it is just as well I had made other arrangements and moved on.Things usually work out for the best.

[Yobarnacle]

I wonder if someone needed photos or film clip, could present to prospective "temporary" employee, a movie syle contract, where the photographer/camera operator, signs off on copyright in favor of producer.
Rent the camera equipment for the day, if you don't own pro model, so he/her isn't supplying the equipment. Take prompt possesion and in charge of all exposed film.
If, they aren't willing to sign such a contract, the door is still where they entered. Talented film students at local U maybe hungrier and more afable.

[DCockey]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

I wonder if someone needed photos or film clip, could present to prospective "temporary" employee, a movie syle contract, where the photographer/camera operator, signs off on copyright in favor of producer.
Rent the camera equipment for the day, if you don't own pro model, so he/her isn't supplying the equipment. Take prompt possesion and in charge of all exposed film.
If, they aren't willing to sign such a contract, the door is still where they entered. Talented film students at local U maybe hungrier and more afable.

Or just reach agreement with the photographer that the customer will own the resulting photos including copyright. The agreement should be in writing and signed.

The photographer may either refuse such an agreement or want an exorbinant price. In theory a competitor may be more accomodating but that's when "professional ethics" may be cited.

[Yobarnacle]

By "professional ethics" do you mean price fixing or retaining copyrights agreements between competitor photographers so they don't undercut each other?
That's why I was thinking hiring a cameraman might be an option. Notice in the movie credits, the cameraman is never called a "photographer". Perhaps "photographers" are artists, and cameramen "merely" technicians?

[Yobarnacle]

An ancient strategem of chimney masons was to mortar in a pane of glass so the chimney wouldn't draw. Once paid, the mason would drop a brick down the chimney. Sort of an obsolete trade trick, as modern fireplaces are built differently than they once were. Some one should write a book on trade tricks.
Had some carpenters I fired hatchet cut my self installed wiring on top of the interior partitions walls after I insulated just prior to drywalling. Fortunately, I "rang" the circuits and discovered the problem before drywall.

[Submarine Tom]

A fire at your photographers destroying everything... interesting.

Was the fire deemed suspicious in nature?

Just wondering.

-Tom

[tom kane]

Yes I believe it was suspicious Tom but nothing every come of it.