Some one has to start it, Americas default.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Ad Hoc

I don't follow?

The internet was created by Sir Tim Berners-Lee in 1989-90 while at CERN.

Your wasting you time, to Troy America invented everything, he doesnt even look it up first. America is the biggest best ever in the history of the whole world and very shortly will be needing assistance from Mexico who I am told is building a fence to keep Americans out looking for work.

Well done Obama he has cured illegal immigration.

(Jay Lenno)

[IMP-ish]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Your wasting you time, to Troy America invented everything, he doesnt even look it up first. America is the biggest best ever in the history of the whole world and very shortly will be needing assistance from Mexico who I am told is building a fence to keep Americans out looking for work.

Well done Obama he has cured illegal immigration.

(Jay Lenno)

Searched... could be wikipedia is USA-biased, but it agrees with Troy on this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...46–1991)

1983 Internet

Not to be confused with a separate application known as the World wide web which was invented much later in the early 1990s (see article on the English inventor Tim Berners-Lee), the Internet is the global system of overall interconnected computer networks that use the standardized Internet Protocol Suite (TCP/IP) to serve billions of users worldwide. It is a network of networks that consists of millions of private and public, academic, business, and government networks of local to global scope that are linked by copper wires, fiber-optic cables, wireless connections, and other technologies. The concept of packet switching of a network was first explored by Paul Baran in the early 1960s,[246] and the mathematical formulations behind packet switching were later devised by Leonard Kleinrock.[247] On October 29, 1969, the world's first electronic computer network, the ARPANET, was established between nodes at Leonard Kleinrock's lab at UCLA and Douglas Engelbart's lab at the Stanford Research Institute (SRI).[248] Another milestone occurred in 1973 when Bob Kahn and Vinton Cerf co-invented Internet Protocol and Transmission Control Protocol while working on ARPANET at the United States Department of Defense.[12] The first TCP/IP-wide area network was operational on January 1, 1983, when the United States' National Science Foundation (NSF) constructed the university network backbone that would later become the NSFNet. This date is held as the "birth" of the Internet.

[masalai]

IMP-ish is on a reasonable course, to keep the discourse somewhat in the maratime vein...
I was studying at WAIT (now Curtin University in 1977), and the "internet" protocols were available then and regularly used in academic arenas - particularly in what I was studying "Business Communications" which was computing and applications in business...

I would borrow an 'intelligent terminal' and log in to live computers such as a DEC PDP1135, on the campus, from home via telephone line... Text only and a green screen, and about as fast as a fax in those days with a modem bigger than the computer I use now ... about the size of a ream of A4 paper... I still use UNIX like operating systems... Most activity was on hosts that ran "Bulletin Boards" similar to this website but without any graphics or colour...

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by IMP-ish

Searched... could be wikipedia is USA-biased, but it agrees with Troy on this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ns_(1946–1991)

Ok I looked it up, you invented internet and hair spray too, transistor and a jumbo jet ,--- thank you very much for that,--------and where does that get us.

Will the stock market not crash now then?

My wife is good at this stuff,shoulda done this, shoulda done that, you said this and you drank washing up liquid, bla bla bla. Pointless conversation.

Tomorrow my American friends is the begining of your down fall and I hope im wrong,---- Black monday is coming and the devil rides with him.

I predict 8% fall and another similar day tuesday, after that its no point in selling you have to stick.

I also believe that Moodys and fiche will follow in the credit down grade around Wed and away we go again.

[masalai]

Hi Frosty,
Very Courageous words lad...

What did I suggest that you consider about a year or more ago? - - - buy and take delivery of gold bullion or silver bullion from the Perth Mint.... Have you at least bought some?

The Poms had the first Jet powered passenger airlines and (along with the Frogs), the worlds first supersonic passenger jet... They also invented TV, The steam Engine, Steam Train and lots of other stuff...

[Frosty]

Ive been wrong before and il'le be wrong again . If I was smart I would'nt be in the ****.

Actually Im not in the **** really but affected in the long run? --very much so. As long as I keep far out of America and anything dollar related as I think the rest of the world will do tomorrow.

[masalai]

I fear that your courageous prophesy may have something in it if not tomorrow, then before this year is out (as Hanrahan declared in the poem) http://warrenfahey.com/bush_poetry-hard-yakka-5.htm

[Ad Hoc]

Originally Posted by IMP-ish

Searched... could be wikipedia is USA-biased, but...

Which is one reason why wiki is ok for a "hmm..what does this mean"..type of search. But anything deeper, is highly subjective, and treated with extreme caution. Certainly not for authorative research. If most "editors/contributors" are US based, what will the slant be??...

That posting in Wiki contracdicts the Bio on TB-L:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html

It is all about definitions....When you turn your PC on..do you say to the missus, Im on the "Internet"..or "I'm on the WorldWideWeb"..???

Hardware is no good without software to "drive" it.

But as Frosty so eloquantly put it....so what, will it save the economy tomorrow??....don't need wiki for that!

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by troy2000

... That means that a candidate or a policy that survived being vetted by either party generally had a political appeal broad-based enough to be palatable to the country as a whole.

Is it realistically possible for an atheist to become President of the USA nowadays? Or would they not survive the "vetting" by both parties?

[bntii]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Will the stock market not crash now then?

Tomorrow my American friends is the begining of your down fall and I hope im wrong,---- Black monday is coming and the devil rides with him.

I predict 8% fall and another similar day tuesday, after that its no point in selling you have to stick.

If you really think this is the case- make your trade then.
Such prescience makes fortunes.

Is this really your whole gripe- the theatrics in the US are going to effect your holdings?

And Mas- back in the day your grumbling and mumblings were limited to the bath you were going to take on some property you owned.
Now you seem to blame it all on the US.

If you don't know what to do when you see this:


http://ckmurray.blogspot.com/2010/08...in-bubble.html

Blame yourself

[Mr Efficiency]

Originally Posted by bntii

If you really think this is the case- make your trade then.
Such prescience makes fortunes.

This is true. I chuckle at media pundits predicting future stock market and forex movements and wonder why they don't pack in their job and become traders. They just prefer talking about it, so much less nerve-wracking than putting their money up.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Frosty

The thread is Americas default, We can do China and Uk next if you like.

Maybe you wont like what I have to say about Uk either.

Why do you insist on this my dads bigger than you dad thing.

Surely we are more intelligent than your government and can talk without walking out or pointless mud slinging about the war 65 years ago or internet shops,--may be not!! I have just thanked you for GPS what else do you want thanking for.

Half the problem is disbelief that you are in such deep crap.

Excuse me? I don't think I'm the one slinging mud here.

You're the one who goes on endlessly and pointlessly about what a pile of crap the US is. You're the one who highjacked a thread about Pearl Harbor, so you could rant about Americans killing women and children instead. It gets old, Frosty.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Your wasting you time, to Troy America invented everything, he doesnt even look it up first. America is the biggest best ever in the history of the whole world and very shortly will be needing assistance from Mexico who I am told is building a fence to keep Americans out looking for work.

Well done Obama he has cured illegal immigration.

(Jay Lenno)

Who "invented" the internet is really a rather meaningless question. It didn't spring fully-grown and clad in armor from anyone's forehead, as Athena did from Zeus' thighbone. Instead it developed over a period of time, with input from a lot of people.

And I didn't claim it was invented by an American, anyway. What I said is that it probably wouldn't be around in its present stage of development, had it not been for the US. And I'll stand by that.

Where did this come from, Frosty? I don't believe I've ever posted anything at all about what was and wasn't invented by Americans...

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Dave Gudeman

There are lots of pro-life groups who give their own money to help poor women support their children rather than have abortions. But since you are a Democrat that doesn't count, right? To you "helping" poor people means taking tax money away from other people at gunpoint and giving it to the poor people. Giving your own money doesn't count because Democrats are afraid of either falling behind on the "keeping up with the Joneses" contest if they are giving more than their neighbors or looking bad if they are giving less. Better income redistribution at gunpoint than charity that requires tough personal decisions.

That's a rather remarkable rant, especially from a man who just finished whining that Democrats can't have a debate without demonizing their opponents. Might I suggest a "One Way" road sign as your new avatar for the forum? Pointing to the right and down, of course....

As to this supposed contradiction between being against abortion and for capital punishment, it is the same as the contradiction between being against Democrat-advocated plans to "draft" all young people into a public works project between the ages of 18 and 20 but being for requiring prisoners to work. Well, am I against forced labor or for it? Quite a contradiction there.

The most common argument I've heard in personal conversations with opponents of abortion is that human life is sacred: it is God's place to bestow life or take it, not man's. If that's so, then executing someone is sacrilege. If it isn't so, a whole lot of abortion opponents need a new rationalization.

Why are you trying to pin the idea of universal service on Democrats? Actually, that's a rhetorical question. I know why ... it's so you can 'demonize' Democrats, thereby doing unto them before they do unto you. The best defense is a good offense, and all that.

But Melvin Laird, a longtime Republican Congressman who was also Nixon's Secretary of Defense when I was in the service, argued strongly for Universal service. As a matter of fact, Rear Admiral Alan Fiske, the inventor of the rangefinder and the aerial torpedo, was giving speeches advocating universal service clear back in 1917 -- at Republican Club meetings, no less.

Like a lot of other ideas, I guess it didn't become evil until a Democrat advocated it.

...Understandably, some youths do not feel that military service is the best way to express their desire to give something back. The military does not need all of them, nor should the Defense Department be saddled with another unwanted draft. But every department of government could benefit from universal service, as would many other institutions. Our schools are crying out for teacher assistants; our immigrant programs need additional staff; Head Start, the Peace Corps and special education programs need helpers, as do hospitals and nursing facilities. Young people could serve one or two years in a much-needed civilian universal service program run by the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services, or the State Department. Such service would foster a culture of responsibility for our democracy and, as such, would surely have the side benefit of increasing military enlistments. And those volunteering for the military would be exempt from the required civilian universal service.
--Melvin Laird

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052700931.html

This may seem like a subtle distinction, but I have this old concept of innocent/guilty. I'm not going to go into a lot of details here, but I view this as a real and important distinction between people that effects how we should treat them. For example, we ought not to put innocent people in prison, but we ought to put guilty people in prison.

I apply this to a few other cases as well. For example, we ought not to force innocent people to pick up trash along the roads but in some cases we ought to force guilty people to pick up trash along the roads. The same thing applies to abortion: we ought not to kill innocent babies, but we ought to kill guilty serial killers.

I can understand why you think this stance is contradictory if you don't grasp the subtle difference between being innocent and being guilty.

Well, there seem to be a lot of not-so-subtle things you don't grasp. One of them is that there's a wide gulf between universal service and slavery. I brought up taxes and the draft in another post to show how absurd your arguments are, not to put words in your mouth.

For example: last year my wages for 375 hours of work went directly to the federal government as income taxes. If you equate involuntary work for the government with slavery, I was a slave for about 2 1/2 months -- without even counting Social Security and disability withholding, state income taxes, etc. How do you condone that, since you don't believe in forced labor?

Now, regarding the draft... if you believe the government has a legal and moral right to conscript our children and send them off to be killed in foreign lands, it's hard to understand your objections to seeing them drafted to repair hiking trails or become hospital candy stripers instead.

Switzerland, which was held up as a paragon of democracy by someone here in this thread, requires universal service from its male citizens. Those who are conscientious objectors or otherwise unqualified for the military perform alternative public service instead. Does that make the government of Switzerland a slave owner? Or a beneficiary of forced or involuntary labor, if you'd rather be mealymouthed about it....

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas

Is it realistically possible for an atheist to become President of the USA nowadays? Or would they not survive the "vetting" by both parties?

That's an interesting question, Leo. I'm sorry I didn't see it earlier, when I was focusing in on some other posts.

Short answer? I don't think an admitted atheist would stand the chance of a snowball in Hell of being elected President next time around.

But that doesn't mean things won't change. Before John F. Kennedy fifty years ago, Catholics weren't considered Presidential material because of the old 'split loyalties' canard.

Before Reagan thirty years ago, a divorce was considered the kiss of doom for someone who wanted to become President. The funny thing about that proscription is how fast it disappeared over the horizon when Reagan ran, and how strong his support from the Bible Belt was.

Five years ago, I'd have laughed at the notion that a black man with a Muslim name could be elected President.

This year, we have two Mormons seriously contending for the Republican nomination -- which would have been unthinkable only a few years ago.

So stay tuned. It wouldn't shock me to see a Jewish President or a woman President in my lifetime. But a professed Atheist? I dunno. A whole lot of Americans like to think of themselves as religious -- even the ones who haven't stepped foot in a church since their parents stopped sending them to Sunday School.