solo sailer Abby Sunderland

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by eric le marin

You would like to force a 16 years old girl to stay on a dismasted boat, with flooded engine, no satelite phone, in one of the most difficult areas of the planet

Yes.. atleast for a while so every future teen-solo-circum-sailor knows what's the deal..

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

Yes.. atleast for a while so every future teen-solo-circum-sailor knows what's the deal..

You don't think three or four days was enough time to make the point?

[TeddyDiver]

No I don't becouse it was the first possible "rescuer" and there were no immediate danger. Of course if they were allreaydy close to Abby there's no reason to leave her. But anyway now there's left a false sense of security. And I'll bet there are many more candidates in this category untill SHTF and someone dies, so in this regard a couple of weeks drifting might have given something to think about. Maybe she even could have done some kind of jury rig in that time and sailed to safety..

[Manie B]

Guys with all due respect
I dont think you have read enough opnions about the problem

start here and work backwards http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...102689&st=3700
there is a lot of drivel but some very serious facts in between

more good links http://www.sail-world.com/Europe/Abb...t-images/70699

eric le marin

From what I read on her website

her website is HEAVILY censored - NEVER any negative comments - keep in mind you are dealing here with professional ********ters that pray for guidance and are running a money making scam

so with it in mind that the crew of the fishing vessel has already done their fair share - the question still remains how does the tax payer get a second opinion in this public relations disaster.
There is enough evidence out there that you simply cannot trust a word from ANY of the family or staff on the payroll.

this sums up the situation

My impression of her on this trip:
1 - Spends as much time possible down below playing with electronic toys and running the batteries dead.
2 - Leaves the main reefed whether it needs to be or not and rolls the jib in and out every now and again.
3 - Sets the autopilot to go where someone not on the boat tells her to go.
4 - Utterly abdicated all the responsibility of the captain of "her" vessel and took off into the roughest part of the world's oceans at the worst time, encountered the conditions everyone but her retarded "team" told her she would, and promptly lost the rig.
5 - Instead of cleaning her **** up and using her engine to go someplace, sat around waiting for help.
I severely doubt she could get ANYWHERE without constant radio/phone advice and she wouldn't be likely to have the skill set I'd look for in a watch-captain offshore.

so it would have been wonderfull if some body had a quick 5 minute look around - I can assure you that there are members on this forum that could assess that situation in under 5 minutes EASY first one that comes to mind is Mr. Richard Woods

[Manie B]

When the parents ******** like this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...62753#37662753

what can you expect from media whores

[Submarine Tom]

Does it really matter?

It's ALL speculation anyway.

If she died it's a tragedy, if she succeeds she's a hero.

Get off your soap boxes and go sailing.

-Tom

[Manie B]

another good one

http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/...6-11&dayid=438

From the ghetto, Fiddy Cent rapped that he was going to "Get rich or die tryin'." We suppose this is the Thousand-oh-so-close-to-Hollywood-Oaks' version, which might be titled 'Get famous or die tryin'. We're sure glad Abby didn't die. As for becoming famous, she's gotten even more of it than she could have dreamed of. In fact, you have to feel sorry for Watson who, despite being the one who actually accomplished her goal, has now been upstaged by Abby's failure. In the minds of experienced sailors, however, we think Abby Sunderland is going to be famous, not for her sailing, but for having been played for the fool by her irresponsible parents.

so

where and how a second opinion

[welder/fitter]

all very well saying that sittting at home
I,ll bet there is nodody in this forum that could set up a jury rig , in the time since the epirb went off

My greatest concern was the period of time that Sunderland had to wait for her rescue, while having a mast & rigging in the water. No hacksaw? cable-cutters? What if the weather comes up, again? What to salvage?

What was her contingency plan for such an event? Call mom & dad? I wonder, if Jessica Watson had experienced the same situation, what would she have done differently? (Germany vs. Australia, about to kick-off, must type faster...lol)

My father wouldn't allow me to solo his 35 footer, until I was 16, and only in the local waters, after a couple of weeks worth of grilling of every possible scenario. It seemed like a lot of nagging, until the first time I went aground!

Mike

[Guest62110524]

Originally Posted by welder/fitter

My greatest concern was the period of time that Sunderland had to wait for her rescue, while having a mast & rigging in the water. No hacksaw? cable-cutters? What if the weather comes up, again? What to salvage?

What was her contingency plan for such an event? Call mom & dad? I wonder, if Jessica Watson had experienced the same situation, what would she have done differently? (Germany vs. Australia, about to kick-off, must type faster...lol)

My father wouldn't allow me to solo his 35 footer, until I was 16, and only in the local waters, after a couple of weeks worth of grilling of every possible scenario. It seemed like a lot of nagging, until the first time I went aground!

Mike

dunno what happened to the stick, but she was lucky, in one of the BOC races , Jaques le Roux lost his stick , it swung on a shroud , holed the boat which duly sank , he was rescued by another competiter, Jaques was a sub captain in Fr navy, he was lost in the next race 4 years later
the risks are great But I would rather my son do thsi than ride a motorcycle
you had a good dad mate

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

No I don't becouse it was the first possible "rescuer" and there were no immediate danger. Of course if they were allreaydy close to Abby there's no reason to leave her. But anyway now there's left a false sense of security. And I'll bet there are many more candidates in this category untill SHTF and someone dies, so in this regard a couple of weeks drifting might have given something to think about. Maybe she even could have done some kind of jury rig in that time and sailed to safety..

I didn't approve of the young lady's venture.

But if someone needs a rescue, you by God rescue them--and save the bs 'teach them a lesson' games for later. I can think of several ways she could have died if left out there longer than necessary, in which case the lesson you wanted to impart wouldn't have done her much good.

Tell me: how did you determine she was in no immediate danger while sitting at your computer? Are you psychic?

[RHP]

Its a shame she had to court the media from the outset and couldnt have done a discrete circumnavigation. The more noise you make, the speculation there is when things go wrong. Bottom line, this young girl shouldnt have been out there in the first place.

[Guest62110524]

Originally Posted by RHP

Its a shame she had to court the media from the outset and couldnt have done a discrete circumnavigation. The more noise you make, the speculation there is when things go wrong. Bottom line, this young girl shouldnt have been out there in the first place.

Why, do you sail?
i mean at my childhood club we cast off in races at 6 on, up the river, not at sea , but as children
Only thing wrong as far as I can tell about the thing in Principal, was time of year
Lets have a poll, who sailed as a kid, who sailed now, who crossed oceans , or who judged fromt he safety of the armchair?
Who can find their way by sextant and clock? Bah
Ah by the way, her dad sounds Brit
I wish my kids had IT!! stead of sailing the bloody playstation
Bought em a sailing dinghy early , no interest gave it to the kid next door
Gal from our town Jessica made it, silenced the bleating mob, she could have fallen overbaord as did the greatest singehander of all time Taberly

[Manie B]

true

stead of sailing the bloody playstation
Bought em a sailing dinghy early , no interest

here by us as well - the youngsters want fast noisy wetbikes (the curse of the century)

biggest problem is the Sunderlands did not promote SAFE sailing

watch the video = more adventures in Sunderland
it is a fox network news show that that also shows that her father sees himself as a reality TV star

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php

I sincerely hope that this will prevent parents from putting their childrens lives at risk. Reality TV makes big bucks so there will always be wolves out there that will risk anything for fame and fortune.

The conclusion that I have come to, is that this RTW trip really was doomed from the start and the parents must somehow be held responsible
We all, young and old, have the right to go and sail where we would like to, and can afford. But we dont need fools to bring really bad publicity to our sport / hobby / passion

[RHP]

99.99% of 16 year olds arent mature enough or suitably equipped emotionally to sail the world singlehanded. Maybe shes the 0.01% I dont know, but what is teh need for 3 x 16 year olds to be desparate to go around? and why do 3 sets of parents think it a good idea and acceptable risk? Thats my only point along with not to make a media circus out of it.

[TeddyDiver]

Agree..

Sounds like beating a dead horse but.. Troy, I don't oppose saving lives either but just trying figure what's happened to responsibility of the individual Sponsors who give money for such nonsense, parents who are blinded by their own ambitions they are trying to fullfill throw their children.. I say confiscate the funds.. send the parents to PjongJang and give the kids toys to play with..