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Old 06-09-2010, 09:57 AM
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Really?
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...7140752AA2xmnv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OW0hLk9e8E
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:36 PM
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This is the heavy shite!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akyfMp9ln8

At 0:49 it gets exciting!

Also check these out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBaqh3dcVM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geR-Q...eature=related
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:08 PM
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Ah, come on chicken................ Horse riding is reportedly the sport with the highest rate of deathly accidents per practicing person.
Ok, no boat for sale...but my chicken-meter still says I rather keep myself out of those kind of conditions.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:43 PM
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"I actually saw almost forty footers on an ebb leaving Cross Sound once - It can get crummy like any pass/bar with an opposing sea and current."

Mark775, Yea South Inian Pass, can be a real "Hair Raiser" when the Wind & Tide are opposed, but it only lasts for about 10 miles. In the North Pacific & Bering Sea, when you are running 40 ft Seas and 90 Knot Winds for DAYS. There is NOTHING to hide behind, and that is a Fishing Day... When it Goes over 120 Knots, and 50 Ft you had better be Long Gone, to Port, or you may never be heard of again. There is a LONG List of Boats that have been lost when things get rough up there.... Many were just never heard from again, and there was nothing ever found. I lost a few good friends on the F/V Dauntless. Left Cape Spencer, headed for Kodiak. Last report was with Peggy Dyson, for a Wx Check, and about half way across. Nothing ever found, during the Biggest Low in 3 decades. Just Nasty.
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:27 PM
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............When it Goes over 120 Knots, and 50 Ft you had better be Long Gone, to Port, or you may never be heard of again. There is a LONG List of Boats that have been lost when things get rough up there.... Many were just never heard from again, and there was nothing ever found. .............
Fishing boats became a lot safer from the work of peopel like Marchaj at Southampton. Prior to decent regualtions and stronger boats there were entire fishing fleets decimated by storms. We forget how common and how accepted the fatalities were.

Mark and Murielle shouldn't worry too much

A stong seaworthy sailing vessel with a good auxilliary can be as safe as a custom designed lifeboat and a little less miserable to be in. The great range of positive stability and a high roll inertia of her boat will be good contributors. And small steel boats have great strength when designed and built properly .

Ships often make very heavy weather of gigantic swell conditions and can be lost with shifting cargoe and free surface. But a smaller vessel at a different scale relative to the big underlying swell is only bothered by the smaller local waves. What is called the response amplitue operator in the trade (RAO).
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:45 AM
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The breaking wave is highly airated and often not as vilent as you might expect for the energy in the wave. As surfers will tell you.
But a vessel accelerating down or just falling down the face of such a wave is a different scenario. Thats what often bends the railings, stoves in the ports and scuttles and dismounts the engine. And can stove in the boat too.

I think it was the tiny vessel Sopranino in a violent storm in the Atlantic. they said they were below with everything shut, it was daylight but suddenly it went dark and then a lvery large wave collapsed completely over the boat. I bet he was very happy he'd considerably re-inforced that little boat.
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Caledonian Star was one such.:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0721084137.htm
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a Barlow 32 in a storm..... (the Barlow 32 is a Fisher clone from Oz)

(click pic for movie in Windows Media Player)

(double click in the Media Player for full screen)

Here the same clip in Quicktime (that link doesn't work for me though).

a Barlow 32




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Old 06-10-2010, 09:33 AM
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Here a quote of a little conversation from the ‘Random Picture Thread’ which seems to be better in place here...

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Anita



http://www.skostsee.org/history.htm

‘‘During the autumn of ’97 a hurricane in the North Sea generated such monster waves that Anita was knocked down and partly capsized. Major damage was sustained. The doghouse was smashed, the mizzenmast broken and lots of deck equipment washed away. Some of the crew also suffered severe injuries but under the watchful eye of the German Lifeboat service Anita made it back to Helgoland in relatively one piece.’’


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf7FddPO5QM

‘‘Albdag: This video is made by the crew of the German rescueboat Wilhelm Kaisen. During the autumn of 1997, the German 12-metre class ANITA (Abeking & Rasmussen, 1938) was caught by a hurricane. About 60 nm northwest of Heligoland, Anita failed to climb a Monster wave, fell into the trough and the sea broke over her. The doghouse was smashed, the mizzenmast broken and lots of equipment washed away. Although the crew was injured they were able to drain the yacht and reach Heligoland under their own power.’’

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Seems the wind was pretty fickle making it difficult to maintain steerage?

Great film but squeeky bottom time for the crew!

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Here the story by Anita's skipper in a German video (windows media player).

The Wilhelm Kaisen had to do 60 NM, ± 5 hours in the hurricane, to get there.
So the picture and video were made more then 5 hours after the realy big waves which caused the knock down.

More info in German about the incident and a Google translation in English.

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Great vid, many thanks, interesting he chose to run with the storm and didnt either lie to a parachute anchor or lie abeam. The weight of water in some of those breaking waves is truely amazing.

I wonder how a modern lightweight grp 50´ yacht would fair with its shoal draft, fin keel and wide aft end being picked up by those waves? Personally I´d rather me in an older long keel medium beam yacht like in the vid.

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Angelique: although the helmsman is clearly having difficulty maintaining a course, every time Anita comes back up it is not pouring water out of its scuppers, so it does not appear to get swamped, at least in that short video. It is a testiment to the boat's design. Or if you are into Zen, "be the cork ..."

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I'm not into Zen, I belief in the former. But a cork she is....!!

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Old 06-10-2010, 09:54 AM
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More pictures and a video of the Balmoral* in the Bay Of Biscay.

* opening post of this thread.

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More pictures and a video of the Balmoral* in the Bay Of Biscay.

* opening post of this thread.

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pretty imp stuff Angie
Mike says white water is soft) pretty boat that
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Old 06-10-2010, 07:00 PM
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Ok, no boat for sale...but my chicken-meter still says I rather keep myself out of those kind of conditions.
Satisfied with that decision I can say: conditions are not what we have to fear (THE EXTREME YES), but our inability to cope with them.
Most well built vessels are more capable than their skippers.

A force ten over a thousand miles fetch is nothing to fear. A force 8 close to shore is a different animal.

And We are the weakest link in the chain, not our vessels. We fail long before the equipment gives up.

Many of us know about the failure rate of the given hull material. Not one of us knows about YOUR (most not about their own), rate of failure in severe conditions.
But thats going to sea. Knowing about abilities. Own and boats.....

White water is a dumb legend, there is no white water. Foam can destroy a maritime structure better than plain water. The "back suction" of a foamy wave is more powerful than the massive front. Do´nt go into "foam" ever when you can avoid it.

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