The Revolution is on. Going to the rally today.

[Boston]

Went down to the Occupy Denver rally today. In spite of what the news may or may not be reporting there were thousands of people in the street. We blocked off all the major intersections along Broadway and Colfax in front of the capitol.

At its peak maybe about 7 to 10 thousand people. This is no small movement. I'd say a hundred or so arrests, Hundreds of riot police, many more local cops. They called out the goons for this one. My buddy Dave has film of a cop clubbing a protester, also there was both tear gas fired and mace. Which is where I left cause I had the dog with me.

gathering as many people as possible for tomorrows rally which everyone is expecting will top today's by quite a bit.

End taxation through misrepresentation

cheers folks
B

I'll bring my camera again tomorrow, with fresh bats, mine died the moment I turned it on today.

why am I protesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3kiaJ1-c8&sns=em
would be a small part of it.

[troy2000]

You're having entirely too much fun, Boston.

We'll await the pic's; hope you get some good ones.

Meanwhile, here's a site from Business Insider, with a remarkably complete set of graphs that might help explain what the protesters are so teed off about...

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-...about-2011-10#

[gonzo]

Corporations are just a way to organize a business or organization. Consumers, particularly in the USA, have the power to affect them directly by buying or not their products and services. Also, they have the power to vote. It was not the corporations that brought the country to this situation but the consumers like you. Decades of buying cheap foreign made products sent the jobs overseas, not the "corporations".

[daiquiri]

Originally Posted by Boston

why am I protesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3kiaJ1-c8&sns=em
would be a small part of it.

This is a shame. Situations like this one have to be filmed each time they happen, and then it has to be shown publicly.
That woman was not arrested in a legal way, she was kidnapped from the street by the guy with the mustache. And therefore someone has to respond to the accuse of kidnapping a person from the street.
You folks have to fight against this or else you'll wake up one morning and discover that a curfew run by police and private guards has been established in your country.

[daiquiri]

This was indeed an intense tv-moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk
Too bad for the background music...

[hoytedow]

Screw the revolution. A pox on them all.

[Boston]

Gonzo the corporations have made every effort to reduce choice to one of, there products or there products, they hid there products behind innumerable brand names and they back both political parties knowing whichever is elected ends up in there back pocket. They "donate" huge amounts of money to the police unions/league. Might have been once upon a time a simple boycott might be effective against a smaller organization but if you look at say Wallmart or something you can pretty quickly see that the size and scope of influence has become so massive that something more direct simply has to be done.

You might want to check out some of the expose's on Wallmart to see the issues associated with all large corporations.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...96181471292925

if you can get through that still thinking that the corporate machine isn't a problem then I'm just not sure how I can explain it to you.

its time to change the status quo

[bljones]

How come we always want to blame everyone else for our problems except... us?

We want cheaper goods, so those mean old corporations moved production to the third world... and made china a super power.
We want higher wages, so we can buy more cheap stuff, so we go on strike... and those mean old corporations move the jobs to the third world.
We bought more house than we could afford, to hold all of the cheap stuff we have bought, and then were too lazy or too ignorant to to read the mortgage forms we were signing, and didn't worry about or understand balloon payments and ARMs and the meaning of "term' and "amortization"... until the bank foreclosed- THEN we decided that understanding mortgage finance was important.

We complain about greedy corporations, but crowed when our investment portfolios increased by double digit percentages a decade ago...and corporations are no less and no more greedy than they are today.

We complain that we don't live as well as our parents did at our age... and yet how many of us have more than one computer, more than one television, more than one car, a house with 2+ baths, cable, internet, game systems, microwave ovens...
my folks didn't have that at my age.

We think we are poor when we have no savings, yet we just can't stop shopping.

In North America, your life is not the fault of the government or a corporation. In fact, YOU are the corporations and the governments. you are the shareholder, the vote holder and the stakeholder. How you exercise all of those options determines what you get.

[michael pierzga]

Originally Posted by bljones

How come we always want to blame everyone else for our problems except... us?

We want cheaper goods, so those mean old corporations moved production to the third world... and made china a super power.
We want higher wages, so we can buy more cheap stuff, so we go on strike... and those mean old corporations move the jobs to the third world.
We bought more house than we could afford, to hold all of the cheap stuff we have bought, and then were too lazy or too ignorant to to read the mortgage forms we were signing, and didn't worry about or understand balloon payments and ARMs and the meaning of "term' and "amortization"... until the bank foreclosed- THEN we decided that understanding mortgage finance was important.

We complain about greedy corporations, but crowed when our investment portfolios increased by double digit percentages a decade ago...and corporations are no less and no more greedy than they are today.

We complain that we don't live as well as our parents did at our age... and yet how many of us have more than one computer, more than one television, more than one car, a house with 2+ baths, cable, internet, game systems, microwave ovens...
my folks didn't have that at my age.

We think we are poor when we have no savings, yet we just can't stop shopping.

In North America, your life is not the fault of the government or a corporation. In fact, YOU are the corporations and the governments. you are the shareholder, the vote holder and the stakeholder. How you exercise all of those options determines what you get.

Well said. My folks never went on vacation, never owned a new car, never had credit card debt.

Personal responsibility is what is lacking in modern society. Stop the blame game.

[Boston]

I think you've got the order of operations a little off. The corporations moved production overseas, then the jobs here dried up, then folks had less money, went for cheaper products and thats the point where any blame on the consumer comes in. Personally I don't shop at wallmart, I think I've entered a store of there's maybe twice. But the problems is so pervasive its pretty much impossible at this point to avoid corporate participation.

Continuing to blame the consumer is entirely a straw man argument. The gubment is who authorized things like NAFTA or placed red China on most favored nation status. It began with corporate bribery at the congressional and senate levels and it ended with the economy we have today and the death of the middle class.

I am not the corporation, I am the guy who doesn't owe a dime to anyone and avoid the corporate products like the plague.

yesterday there were thousands of people in the street, the Rocky M News reported a few hundred. There was the better part of a thousand people taking down town street by street causing road closures, risking arrest so the rest of the protesters had a rout of escape from the riot police. The paper reported a few dozen

the media is lying to you

its time to change the status quo

[michael pierzga]

And Walmart. You have the power to discipline them. Dont shop at the mega franchises , dont shop at Home Depot.... The "corporate "problem will disappear.

I would like to hear from anyone who actually attended the Day of Rage...what is the issue that motivates the demonstrators ?

[Boston]

Did you watch the video defining Wallmart's influence on our government and describing the tactics it uses to overcome any resistance. If your not willing to educate yourself on these issues then simply miming the same old song and dance doesn't really present itself as an effective informed argument.

then try and understand that there's hundreds of these type corporations, add up all there ill effects and you end up with the corporate economy we have today.

the top 400 earners in the US earn 50% of all money earned. The bottom 50% split 1% among them. We've been sold out.

[michael pierzga]

Im on a boat...its not possible for me to watch internet video or television.

[Boston]

fair enough
I'll try and link you to a hard copy

[Boston]

http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php

I'm only focusing on Wallmart because its such an easy target and so well studied, but the issue is pervasive in corporate thinking and its effects on all sectors of the economy.

Its time to change the status quo