Our Oceans are Under Attack

[hoytedow]

Some humpback steak sounds good. Does it really taste like a cross between a porpoise and a manatee?

[Boston]

Mark
ya the warnings about Tuna have been going out for a few decades at least
its just that now the numbers are so low its hard to ignore them any longer and if the EU is calling for a listing you know its bad

G

"Climate change may favour some jellyfish species by increasing the availability of flagellates in surface waters – a key jellyfish food source. Warmer oceans could also extend the distribution of many jellyfish species."

first thing on this thread is the film by DR J Jackson explaining why this is all to true
this is specially true in the gulf of Mexico where green sea turtles have been wiped out
consequently turtle grass is rotting on the bottom rather than being eaten and that decomposition produces excessive food for the jellyfish
which in turn as they get larger eat fish fry
tuna fish fry
who come to the gulf to spawn
another reason its important to save each link in the chain

Douglass says the last oceanic shift occurred about 10 years ago, and that the oceans are currently emitting slightly more radiation than they are receiving.

makes sense
the solar cycle is on a complex 9~14 year oscillation and typically runs ~10.5 years

given that we are now at solar minimum it would stand to reason that the oceans emit what they gained at solar maximum
theoretically in a balanced system
presently accepted theory is that they system is not balanced and that human influences are effecting the natural balance observed over the last 10,000 years
a longer term balance of 600,000 years is also noteworthy

These shifts in the balance of heat absorbed from the sun and radiated from the oceans correlate well with past anomalies that have been associated with abrupt shifts in the earth’s climate, say the researchers. These anomalies include changes in normal storm intensities, unusual land temperatures, and a large drop in salmon populations along the western United States.

as Ive been saying all along
the system ( if you acccept the Gaia principle ) will try to correct itself however if the imbalance is sufficient it has the potential to cause an overreaction in the natural response as can be seen in climate history analysis

the largest extinctions and the snow ball earth event were all likely results of ocean systems being disrupted

Sloweddy
once again your comments are hardly worthy of response

LETS KEEP THE CLIMATE DISCUSSION TO THE CLIMATE THREAD
WERE IT BELONGS

:-)
B

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Boston

...makes sense
the solar cycle is on a complex 9~14 year oscillation and typically runs ~10.5 years

given that we are now at solar minimum it would stand to reason that the oceans emit what they gained at solar maximum...

Wow Boston! You've learnt something even if not yet precise enough! I'll tell Jimbo to come here and atonish himself!

Sorry Brian , but oceans are not warming. Jellyfish blooms shall rather be due to some specific local conditions instead of global, or then to some causes other than oceans' warming.

Cheers.

[Boston]

your funny
long ago I once razzed you that yes
the solar cycle is the primary driver of cyclical changes in our weather system
however
there are several historical examples of non cyclical events the results of which were catastrophic to the planetary system
it is an induced event that is the concern of rapid global climate change

I would suggest again that we keep climate change to the climate change thread

I suspect Jim may have had enough with the four examples of various universities and accredited institutions independently determining that there is a clear isotopic fingerprint of fosil fuels in a significant amount of atmospheric co2
although frankly
I have enjoyed my debates with him
between work and my lecture series I simply do not have time these days to properly engage the rare few deniers

[hoytedow]

Why, pray tell, didn't Mt. Pinatubo change our climate when it dwarfed man-made pollution? Why, pray tell, didn't Mt. St. Helen change our climate when it dwarfed man-made pollution?

[Boston]

I gave a detailed response in the climate change thread to this exact question a long while ago
go check it out

basically it went something like this
Not only is this false, it couldn't possibly be true given the CO2 record from any of the dozens of sampling stations around the globe. If it were true that individual volcanic eruptions dominated human emissions and were causing the rise in CO2 concentrations, then these CO2 records would be full of spikes -- one for each eruption. Instead, such records show a smooth and regular trend.

it would also be necessary to show a spike since the beginning of the industrial age in volcanic activity to account for the rise in co2
and no such corresponding increase in volcanic activity is observed


you guys board over there on the Climate change thread and decided to come find out what Ive been up to
I had no idea you all missed me so much
love
B

[hoytedow]

xxx and ooo

[Guillermo]

hoytedow and fasteddy106,
Boston is right: let's discuss climate matters in its own thread, not here.

Boston,
whenever your 'work and lecture series' allow you, you'll be welcome back at the climate thread to be slated as usual by the 'few deniers' there.

Cheers.

[Boston]

nice to know you all missed me
must not be much fun without some one to disagree with over there
oh well
Ill be back this winter as things get to cold for me to work outside much

best
B

[hoytedow]

Agreed. I prefer to stick to topic. Everyone on all sides is overheated over here and the positional enthusiasm tends to keep bleeding through the bandage of civility. How about that red tide, huh?

[Boston]

[Bamby]

If the technology of this works out
New Envion Facility Turns Plastic Waste into $10/Barrel Fuel. Maybe they could install them on appropriate size and designed boats and harvest all the mess for free and everyone involved may be happy.

[Boston]

most of the plastic waste photo-degrades in a few years into Nerdle size pieces
its the long and short chain plastic molecules that remain in bundles called nurdles
its a long story but the boats would need to filter very small bits of plastic from the water

any little bit would help but economic viability is going to be hard to come by

thats why I propose a plastics settlement similar to the tobacco settlement

oh hey
I was just goofing off watching those picts you posted on your river trip
was a nice break

B

[hoytedow]

Good grief!

[Boston]

Charlie Brown ?